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  • čas přidán 17. 06. 2020
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    This is a short video taking a look at a few countries at their greatest extent, as well as more realistic greater versions of them, that could've been.
    This video was inspired by the CZcamsr Masaman, so go check out his channel if you're interested in videos related to geography and demographics:
    / @masaman

Komentáře • 598

  • @Neatling
    @Neatling  Před 4 lety +323

    For some reason I forgot to add the population of the greater US, and greater Vatican/Papal States. The population of the greater United States would be just under 369 million. And the population of the greater Vatican/Papal States would be just around 8.3 million.

    • @Mingle481
      @Mingle481 Před 4 lety +13

      Neatling 300 and *69* million

    • @fgkuv5232
      @fgkuv5232 Před 4 lety +9

      Please do what if China never reunited after the war of 8 princes

    • @Neatling
      @Neatling  Před 4 lety +16

      @@fgkuv5232 That could be a very interesting video actually. East Asia would possibly have a history more similar to Europe. The nations in China would be much like the Latin-descended European countries. And Japan and the rest of east Asia would be like Germanic and Slavic Europe. It's possible they would have advanced more technologically like Europe did due to the increased competition. I am already about to finish a video that isn't history related. But that might just be my next video after that.

    • @fgkuv5232
      @fgkuv5232 Před 4 lety +3

      @@Neatling thank you very much

    • @TheNecropolis20
      @TheNecropolis20 Před 4 lety

      at its smaller extent If Vatican City and San Marino reformed the Papal states .. San Marino would be North Papel State and Vatican City would be South Papal State.. but at its greatest Extent re-forming the Papel States would end up dissolving the country of Italy though.. Which is already in turn a member state of the EU. Catalonia Spain is also going for independence though . Also Quebec and Texas and California seen independence movements . so the politics of the political world do change a little over time though..
      Also Venice at its greatest extent was some thing.. and Venice was one of the Italian states. Venice controled Crete and part of Yugoslavia called Ragusa . but now Venice is just another province of Italy.

  • @petersmythe6462
    @petersmythe6462 Před 3 lety +646

    Mongolia:
    Everyone else: *don't even think about it.*

  • @petersmythe6462
    @petersmythe6462 Před 3 lety +337

    Vatican: "hmm What if we go with the areas that are or were culturally catholic or have significant catholic minorities instead?"

  • @beaversforlife1298
    @beaversforlife1298 Před 3 lety +69

    The Byzantine anime intro though

  • @georgios_5342
    @georgios_5342 Před 4 lety +549

    Greater Greece would also have Northern Epirus, which still has many Greeks today, and the lands around the Hellespont as well as Pontos, the Northeastern coast of Anatolia.

    • @Neatling
      @Neatling  Před 4 lety +107

      I can totally see an argument for that. My approach was really just showing a more conservative irrendentist scenario, as well as the countries at their largest. Of course a Greater Greece could have been a fair bit larger.

    • @georgios_5342
      @georgios_5342 Před 4 lety +31

      @@Neatling sure, the scenario you proposed might have been easier to realise, if Greece had actually been committed to that since the start. However, the plan for a Greater Greece was already supposed to be larger than that, including all Greek speaking lands. The Turkish nationalists were not going to accept the treaty on Greek terms unless forced to, so Greece went on the offensive to capture Ankara. It was all our nothing at that point, so the more probable, although admittedly harder outcome, would have been the entire realisation of the Greek plan rather that a half-sized solution. And also, Northern Epirus was independently supposed to be ceded to Greece, but seeing as it was an Italian protectorate, Italy refused to accept the annexation after they abandoned their claims on Anatolia. If Greece had won, then Italy would also stand to gain and, as they had agreed, they would accept ceding it to Greece. But alas, none of the plans actually came to fruition, so it's ok to assume that even if some of them are successful, another few would be failures.

    • @mrhaci7747
      @mrhaci7747 Před 3 lety +5

      @Δημήτρης Ο Δημήτρης its Ankara not ankyra

    • @mrhaci7747
      @mrhaci7747 Před 3 lety +11

      @Δημήτρης Ο Δημήτρης typical greek patriot

    • @boraboranloglu9489
      @boraboranloglu9489 Před 3 lety +6

      @@Neatling There are a bunch of nationalist Greeks that want to see and change the history in their ideological background. Just research from unbiased non-Greek and non-Armenian sources and see that all what they are claiming on the events occurred after World War 1 are totally a propaganda.

  • @antonirak6983
    @antonirak6983 Před 3 lety +126

    7:09 so sicily is out of american influance...

    • @Neatling
      @Neatling  Před 3 lety +36

      Nah just missed a few spots on the map.

    • @narobii9815
      @narobii9815 Před 2 lety +6

      Them, the Falkland's and a random island in Canada. Guess even America doesn't want to deal with the sicilian mafia or the falkland conflict.

  • @eternal_riftz8801
    @eternal_riftz8801 Před 4 lety +725

    Thank god someone knows that Macedonian empire was greek not some slavic country btw good video

    • @lilholm9446
      @lilholm9446 Před 4 lety +198

      Noone thinks the Macedonian empire was slavic. Ancient macedonia was centered in greece

    • @twoscarabsintheswarm9055
      @twoscarabsintheswarm9055 Před 4 lety +26

      Noone at the time believd Macedon was really Greek but they pretty much were.

    • @roninecostar
      @roninecostar Před 3 lety +11

      @@twoscarabsintheswarm9055 If it wasnt greek, what was it?

    • @twoscarabsintheswarm9055
      @twoscarabsintheswarm9055 Před 3 lety +14

      @@roninecostar it was seen as basically anything in that direction that was Greek. Macedonian was probably how it was said at the time

    • @domenstrmsek5625
      @domenstrmsek5625 Před 3 lety +7

      @@lilholm9446 they was not a greeks they are ancient Macedonians they was barbers for greeks

  • @jamestown8398
    @jamestown8398 Před 3 lety +113

    I think a Greater United States might also include Cuba and Haiti, as both those places were occupied during an era when the US was pursuing imperial ambitions. The Philippines, Puerto Rico, and Guam were all annexed in the Spanish-American war so a little more land in the Caribbean isn't too much of a stretch of the imagination.

    • @bg1052
      @bg1052 Před 3 lety +5

      Maybe but, they most likely wouldn't have stayed in the US. They were fighting for their independence and most likely wouldn't have given that up.

    • @poikoi1530
      @poikoi1530 Před 2 lety

      @@bg1052 and, the U.S. was supposed to give independence to the Philippines on 46' anyways

    • @reeseman1932
      @reeseman1932 Před 2 lety +1

      And the Dominican Republic too. President Grant tried to annex that country and almost did while he was president.

    • @ivangarcia-gn6xg
      @ivangarcia-gn6xg Před 2 lety

      Really the "Great America" is based in the entire continent

    • @cortezdaslayer4347
      @cortezdaslayer4347 Před 2 lety +4

      It should also have Mexico because when USA annexed Mexico more Northern Territory’s the idea was floated but didn’t happen because racism

  • @gal749
    @gal749 Před 3 lety +34

    This is one of the few channels that I sub to after watching only one of their videos. When I got into the video, the intro made me think that it's gonna be just like any other crappy mapping channel, but this is a high-quality and interesting video!

  • @samshroff741
    @samshroff741 Před 3 lety +115

    greater greece could've included the Gijrokastër/Northern Epirus region too, great vid

    • @Liam-iv7wk
      @Liam-iv7wk Před 3 lety

      I want to say greater greece should include everything from Corfu to Punjab.

    • @PatriotMapper
      @PatriotMapper Před 3 lety

      I was just about to comment that. Lol.

    • @TheHunterOfYharnam
      @TheHunterOfYharnam Před 3 lety +5

      @@Liam-iv7wk We don't even want that much XD its better to just recover anatolia and all of thrace + northern epirus and Monastiri and Re-Greekify those areas. That would be enough
      conquering all of these regions you meantioned would definetly collapse again XD

  • @smokezonee
    @smokezonee Před 4 lety +33

    (2:05)
    danish england
    bottom text

  • @Omar-cw5gg
    @Omar-cw5gg Před 2 lety +78

    I’d say the US could probably also have the Philippines. Historically, it could have also formally annexed Cuba, annexed more of Mexico, and kept Liberia

    • @k.c.9397
      @k.c.9397 Před 2 lety +1

      yeah, both baja california and the rio grande republics had large populations of american immigrants who wished to be annexed by america, so its not far fetched to give america territories surrounding mexico city.
      same goes for islands in the carribbean and pacific like the ryuku and hispaniola (haiti), where america had large temporary influence.
      and for africa, america couldve easily expanded the initial liberia colony along the gold coast.

    • @tortellinifettuccine
      @tortellinifettuccine Před 2 lety +1

      Exept ot couldn't, the US tried multiple times and failed

    • @k.c.9397
      @k.c.9397 Před 2 lety +1

      @@tortellinifettuccine due to the laws of democracy, the votes were never in number. had america gone fascist, everything on these lists couldve been quick as flash.

  • @zartoon7534
    @zartoon7534 Před 4 lety +17

    Wow looked up what if the Polish Lithuanian commonwealth survived and found your video, now seeing the rest of your videos they're things I really like! Keep it up

  • @vetabeta9890
    @vetabeta9890 Před 4 lety +19

    I love finding new good history channels

  • @SavvasGr7
    @SavvasGr7 Před 4 lety +44

    Nice Intro XD

  • @ASMM1981EGY
    @ASMM1981EGY Před 2 lety +3

    You present every topic in great details, thanks from EGYPT

  • @lordbonney9779
    @lordbonney9779 Před 2 lety +18

    Canadians live close to the USA yes, but Canada is a very different place. For starters, Canada is a Liberal democracy and a Monarchy.
    During the 1960’s Canada even considered being back the British Colonial flag to represent kinship with the UK as many began to see Canada as little more then America’s lapdog.

    • @singularityraptor4022
      @singularityraptor4022 Před 2 lety +8

      So a UK's Lapdog? Lol

    • @ThatRatBastard
      @ThatRatBastard Před 2 lety +3

      As an American, I think the old Canadian flag is way nicer. I'm sure Canadians like their flag, but I think the old one with the coat of arms is cooler looking. Wish they went through with it

  • @AdmiralBonetoPick
    @AdmiralBonetoPick Před 3 lety +49

    Coming from Italy (the nation that invented the word irredentism), I'm still kind of annoyed about the French occupation of Corsica: it always makes it look like someone has taken a bite out of Italy on a map. It so naturally looks like part of the Italian peninsula that people sometimes accidentally include it on maps as part of Italy (Italians were delighted a few years ago when Trump did so, for example). Also a shout out for Nizza (Nice), Ticino (part of Italy until conquered by Switzerland), Malta (where the people are descended from Sicilians), western Istria (where the native Italians were expelled by the Yugoslav communists at the end of WW2), and to a lesser extent Dalmatia and Savoia (Savoy).
    Oh, and the rest of the Roman Empire... 😉

    • @theArab__
      @theArab__ Před 3 lety +2

      You should be madder at Nice and Savoy. They were taken from you wrongly. You promised those lands to the French if they helped you defeat the Austrians, but then they withdrew so they had no right to keep them.

    • @georgios_5342
      @georgios_5342 Před 3 lety +6

      I like how you said Nice even though it's Νίκαια and clearly ancient Greek 😂

    • @Vitorruy1
      @Vitorruy1 Před 2 lety +3

      Italy has a long history of claiming land based on some vague historical claim without any regards for the people who live there, it's well know that tyrol was taken from Austria by force against the wishes of the local population, if the people of Corsica should be able to join its Italian brothers in the mainland the people of Tyrol should be given the same right.

    • @AdmiralBonetoPick
      @AdmiralBonetoPick Před 2 lety

      @@Vitorruy1 Corsica for South Tyrol? Tell you what, throw in Malta too and we'll call it a deal.

    • @ianraymo350
      @ianraymo350 Před 2 lety

      But Corsica was sold to France to help deal with debts Savoy I believe incurred.

  • @Hansen1918
    @Hansen1918 Před 3 lety +21

    If ya wanna include all viking lands, there were allot of viking jarls and kings in Russia and Ukraine who had strong connections to Sweden, much like the danelaw had strong connections to Denmark

    • @azarshadakumuktir4551
      @azarshadakumuktir4551 Před 2 lety

      These kings were chosen by the slavic lords to defend them from nomads and protect trade, they wouldn't have chosen them if it meant being ruled by Sweden...

    • @azarshadakumuktir4551
      @azarshadakumuktir4551 Před 2 lety +2

      @@dreamwolfnektovich1944 firstly nation states and cultural identity are two separate things. Vikings had a norse cultural identity, no nation states but also a tribal identity going with their home region (people around Upsalla were Sviar, people in the isles were danes, people between them were Gothar, people around modern Oslo were Vestlanders, you had Rugians near modern Bergen and Jyllanders in continental Denmark). It was the same in Russia, where the idea of a russian nation predates by far the XIXth century, it was already in use in the XVIth, nation states already existed outside the west before the people's spring Iran for example was a nation state since the Arsacid era, same for China since the Qin. People had an eastern slavic cultural identity, and then a localized tribal identity, there were Polanes in Kiev, Ilmens in Novgorod and Pskov, Severians in Chernigov, Dregovichs in Minsk and so on. So the people of Russia very well saw the vikings (which they called Rus)' as strangers. If the king of the Sviar (people like Olof Skötnung) had ruled from Upsalla they would certainly have been against it, moreover viking kingdoms at the time didn't have the means to stretch that far for more than one reign of conquest, since all the jarls of each region had to acknowledge a new king.
      Secondly the Primary chronicle which is the only source we have tells us they were called, you can't discard it just because you want to, a source can only be discarded if you have evidence against it. The chronicle tells us people in Novgorod called upon viking traders who had defended trade routes for some time to become kings once the Rus' khaganate collapsed, this story is believable. The same thing happened in Normandy, but this time it was to defend Paris against other vikings.

  • @atomiclynx3603
    @atomiclynx3603 Před 3 lety +57

    Shows giving countries all land they have controlled*laughs in British*

    • @matthewmclean9012
      @matthewmclean9012 Před 3 lety +4

      Laughs in rule the waves

    • @Delgen1951
      @Delgen1951 Před 3 lety

      @@matthewmclean9012 Yes!! Give it to us. The Fatherland will thank you. Oh you mean in Real life, not fantasyland.

    • @whatishesaying4708
      @whatishesaying4708 Před 3 lety

      He didn't give all the land they have controlled

    • @joshbentley2307
      @joshbentley2307 Před 2 lety

      @@Delgen1951 Britain is the motherland.

    • @ARandomTrooper
      @ARandomTrooper Před 2 lety

      *Laughs in mongol*

  • @romainvicta8817
    @romainvicta8817 Před 4 lety +14

    Great video.

  • @PatriotMapper
    @PatriotMapper Před 3 lety +6

    Here are two things I’d change:
    1. Irredentist Greece should include Northern Epirus
    2. Irredentist US should include Baja California.

    • @ARandomTrooper
      @ARandomTrooper Před 2 lety

      I reckon us would include more of northen mexico

  • @funkervogt47
    @funkervogt47 Před 2 lety +11

    A 2002 paper titled "Borders and Growth" estimated that there 14 country-pairs where full political mergers would make the citizens of both countries richer. They are:
    Argentina + Chile
    Bolivia + Brazil
    Brazil + Colombia
    Brazil + Guyana
    Brazil + Paraguay
    Brazil + Peru
    Canada + U.S.A
    Colombia + Peru
    Denmark + Federal Republic of Germany
    France + Federal Republic of Germany
    India + Pakistan
    India + Sri Lanka
    Indonesia + Malaysia
    Mali + Niger
    That's a place to start if you want to envision "Greater" versions of existing countries.

    • @narobii9815
      @narobii9815 Před 2 lety +4

      So mega Brazil, greater USA, Greater Germany, Grand India, The Southern pair, Grand Sahara and greater Indonesia. Might do a little article on these as combos (brazil and all it's + same for Germany and Indias 2 +s)

    • @condensedman
      @condensedman Před 2 lety +2

      @@narobii9815 I'd say Indo + Malaysia would be called Nusantara Union

    • @lietsiyon3464
      @lietsiyon3464 Před 2 lety +3

      @@condensedman I mean Maphilindo (Malaysia, Philippines, Indonesia) was almost a thing, but we settled with ASEAN instead.

  • @mouton-jk9xm
    @mouton-jk9xm Před 2 lety +28

    As someone from Québec, Canada, i can tell you that Quebec would never be part of an irredentist US, as no one in Quebec would want that. I'm also pretty sure that Greenland would object being part of the US

    • @comradep8519
      @comradep8519 Před 2 lety +2

      nobody in québec wants to be part of canada either but that's not stopping anyone

    • @mouton-jk9xm
      @mouton-jk9xm Před 2 lety +3

      @@comradep8519 for canada it's 50-50, but almost no one likes the americans

    • @comradep8519
      @comradep8519 Před 2 lety +1

      @@mouton-jk9xm i suppose that's very fair, america is infamous and rightfully so

    • @parkerjones1520
      @parkerjones1520 Před 2 lety

      @@comradep8519 yeah, global free trade and promotion of democracy is just awful, huh?

    • @froglifes6829
      @froglifes6829 Před 2 lety +1

      @@parkerjones1520 you mean promotion of democracy by invading foreign countries and then losing every time?

  • @MaskofPoesy
    @MaskofPoesy Před 3 lety +17

    Turk here, I'd like to think that our online community has evolved at least a bit to not mind looking at a slightly chunkier Greece lol.

    • @MaskofPoesy
      @MaskofPoesy Před 3 lety +11

      @Δημήτρης Ο Δημήτρης I feel like most of our people are either Greek or Pontic or Armenian or South Slavic or Arabic or Persian and all of them in complete denial over their actual ancestry to claim they are basically brothers with central asians who look nothing like them.
      I mean literally the first thing a powerful Muslim government in Anatolia did was to name themselves Rum to claim they are the same thing.
      I'd be ok with reviving the double eagle. Everyone in their right minds should be.

    • @vanmars5718
      @vanmars5718 Před 3 lety +4

      @Δημήτρης Ο Δημήτρης That's all nonsense. DNA or blood has nothing to do with nationalities. Americans (from the continent I mean) when they do a DNA test they got whatever blood from all around the world. Still they identify very precisely with the culture country they are raised to. Europe, Asia and Africa even if they aren't so openly mixed still they are in some degree. All of us...no one excluded..the difference is we just don't say it or admit it since we are based in the idea of the old pure blood....All of us, like the American people are identify ourselves in the country we belong to and our cultures no matter how pure our blood is....so Turkish in the end is not just an ethnicity is a culture, a history of a nation that cannot be compromised even if half of the Turkish blood is coming from the old Greeks of Anatolia

    • @ub3rfr3nzy94
      @ub3rfr3nzy94 Před 3 lety +2

      @@MaskofPoesy That's why all the fighting is so dumb. I've seen a turk who got a DNA test and they had like 70% Greek or something. Western Turks are descended from an islamised Greek population. We are literally closer than any other country and both of us deny it. The only thing that really divides us today is religion, I think in the future when religions dies out (as it is already) people will not see that as a boundry anymore.
      Then we can revive the double eagle, unite the Balkans and Anatolia and take over the world! >:)

    • @gufosufo337
      @gufosufo337 Před 3 lety +1

      @@ub3rfr3nzy94 ROMA INVICTA

    • @yegocego
      @yegocego Před 2 lety

      @@ub3rfr3nzy94 dude i also saw a greek who was %87 turkish which is its nearly impossible as a someone from izmir i did dna test 2 month ago and turns out im only %3 greek and %78 turkish we are not greeks stop saying it

  • @ericdievendorf4138
    @ericdievendorf4138 Před 4 lety +5

    I'm going to have that background jam in my head the rest of the day. That's a good thing.

  • @GarfieldRex
    @GarfieldRex Před 3 lety +7

    Loved these nations, stepping away from the mainstream ones. Should do Korea, Colombia, Congo, Egypt, Irak, Vietnam. Is awesome 👌

    • @GarfieldRex
      @GarfieldRex Před 3 lety

      Ah sorry, just noticed there's a video series on this 😁😁😁😁

  • @asdf8650
    @asdf8650 Před 2 lety +4

    As someone who is part British/Chinese: *Sees old maps of Britain and China at their greatest extent*
    *Double cries*
    (1997 Hong Kong handed back to China:*Mixed feelings*)

  • @wintermapping6588
    @wintermapping6588 Před 4 lety +3

    Wow your channel grew a lot!!

  • @MrShoulder
    @MrShoulder Před 4 lety +22

    all of anatolia belongs to byzantium

    • @postaliki
      @postaliki Před 3 lety +8

      that’s the same as saying all of balkans belongs to ottoman empire

    • @Scourgeoftengri
      @Scourgeoftengri Před 3 lety +1

      @@postaliki ^

    • @appleislander8536
      @appleislander8536 Před 3 lety +4

      Anatolia belongs to the Hellenes, Western Armenia to the Armenians!

    • @paxiio5914
      @paxiio5914 Před 3 lety

      Belonged*

    • @TheHunterOfYharnam
      @TheHunterOfYharnam Před 3 lety +2

      @@paxiio5914 it will always belong to us and we will take it back

  • @jacobnolan1832
    @jacobnolan1832 Před 3 lety +31

    Me noticing Sicily has no American cultural influence: time to expand our domain

  • @outerspace7391
    @outerspace7391 Před 2 lety +8

    Wouldn't Northern Epirus be also included in a realistic Greater Greece, as well as Iceland for a Greater America? Northern Epirus to this day has Greek population while Iceland was also militarily occupied by the US during World War 2

  • @therealevild2565
    @therealevild2565 Před 2 lety +8

    Great video, good idea. Although it is a bit controversial. Being Danish I completely agree that we got a bad deal, when considering particularly South Schleswig: That territory really should belong to Denmark today! Besides the fact that South Schleswig was - and has more or less always been - Danish for more than 500 years, it has the natural physical border (The Slien, where Dannevirke still stands) and has kept a large Danish speaking and minded population since 1864. It is and was geopolitically part of Denmark. The Germans did a great job of Germanyfying the province between 1864 and 1945, but we really should have had it back after the second world war. (Had we only been more brave during WW2 like the Norwegians...) Without offending the great neighbour to the south. With regards to Skåne, Halland and Blekinge, then I believe, that only Skåne could be considered "a lost province". Both Halland and Blekinge do not have the same level of Danish minded population as Skåne does. On the present day map of current Denmark, you've decided to leave out Færøerne (The Faroe Isles) and Grønland (Greenland). May I ask why that is? I completely agree, that the territories are at the center of some dispute, but still... Contemplating Danelagen (Danelaw) in Great Britain, obviously some of the northern parts of GB was more subject to Norwegian Vikings, but it wasn't very central politically organised, so I think the borders of Danelagen and the sphere of Danish influence in GB is more fluent. We also went further North and West than on your map, but we too were subjected to raids from other Vikings in Danelagen. True, the Danish possessions in the Caribbean and Africa were short-lived and shameful, but I also wonder a bit about why you have omitted Vinland? Yes, Erik den Røde (Eric the Red) who was the first non-indeginous person to discover the Americas was most likely more Norwegian than Danish, and the colony didn't survive in Vinland for long, but still: They were there for a couple of generations, weren't they? Anyhow: You're doing a great job of conveying history, please keep it up. Very interesting!

  • @domundtgregor6683
    @domundtgregor6683 Před 3 lety +6

    7:12 Would you please explain why your map of "US sphere of influence" includes North Korea, but leaves Sicily blank ?

    • @Neatling
      @Neatling  Před 3 lety +10

      It wasn't an actual map of US influence. I just wanted to highlight the world to illustrate what I was saying. Not marking Sicily was obviously a mistake, it's very small on this map.
      I clarified afterwards where I highlighted where the US has the most influence. Mainly the western world, South Korea, Taiwan and Japan.

  • @Tommi414
    @Tommi414 Před 2 lety +1

    This guy: America has a cultural sphere of everyone.
    Sicily: Hold my crasu marzu.

  • @edgelord8337
    @edgelord8337 Před 4 lety +2

    Great video!

  • @enurrdtand8046
    @enurrdtand8046 Před 4 lety +11

    Are you possibly danish?

    • @Neatling
      @Neatling  Před 4 lety +4

      What gave it away? My perfect pronunciation Bornholm? haha

    • @KageTheDanish
      @KageTheDanish Před 4 lety +1

      @@Neatling Nok derfor :)

    • @jonasloe4926
      @jonasloe4926 Před 3 lety +1

      @@Neatling It's weird to hear Trøndelag with a Danish pronunciation

    • @Neatling
      @Neatling  Před 3 lety +1

      @@jonasloe4926 I would just have butchered the Norwegian pronunciation, so in Danish was the best I could do.

    • @jonasloe4926
      @jonasloe4926 Před 3 lety

      @@Neatling I would probably do the same with Danish and Swedish names

  • @kartoffsun
    @kartoffsun Před 2 lety +2

    NOOOOOOOO!!!! I wanted a whole video in the style of that intro!!! 😫😫😫

  • @InvictusByz
    @InvictusByz Před 2 lety +2

    History nerds talking about retaking constantinople? IDK what you're talking about, never heard of that.

  • @Jannik69420
    @Jannik69420 Před 3 lety +2

    Good stuff your making.

  • @RandomSwedishGuy
    @RandomSwedishGuy Před 3 lety +10

    3:08 dont forget our puppet! Poland was our puppet and You forgot!

  • @ManOfTheMountain
    @ManOfTheMountain Před 4 lety +4

    Grea video could you make a video on a world where the French Revolution never happened and how the rest of the 18th century and beyond would be like.

    • @Neatling
      @Neatling  Před 4 lety +2

      Good idea. I probably will some time in the future.

    • @ManOfTheMountain
      @ManOfTheMountain Před 4 lety +2

      Neatling you just got a new subscriber P.S Keep up the good work.

  • @liampowers8570
    @liampowers8570 Před 2 lety

    Nitpicking, but the continental US was once slightly larger on the Canadian border near Montana, in order to make a straight line we gave up just a little territory. This was done in the London convention of 1818

  • @plutp2366
    @plutp2366 Před 2 lety

    Nice video but there are some things you missed, like Liberia and some parts of Northern Mexico being under USA control. Also, you included some Turkish islands in the borders of modern Greece while leaving out major areas from its irredentist version, like Northern Epirus,the Bitola (Monastiri) region of North Macedonia, the heavily Greek populated coasts of Bulgaria and most notably the Pontus region of Anatolia.

  • @Λυκάων
    @Λυκάων Před 3 lety +8

    5:28 you forgot Northern Epirus which is still inhabited by Greeks

  • @umcanal2198
    @umcanal2198 Před 4 lety +6

    Nice

  • @benjaminallenbowles
    @benjaminallenbowles Před 2 lety +1

    I love how at 7:11 Sicily is the only place resisting US influence.

  • @thekingofmoab1181
    @thekingofmoab1181 Před 3 lety +2

    Finally got around to watching your video on Monsier Z's channel and I quite enjoyed it! I do a an irredentist/althist request for you; what if the Acadians were never deported by the British?

  • @yama123numbercauseytdemand4

    7:09 So the US has no cultural influence in Sicily and one island north of Canada?Fascinating. Sounds like nice places to go to.

  • @ikad5229
    @ikad5229 Před 4 lety +6

    Great video! I'm starting to create alternative History maps but I can find a good tool to create the maps. What do you use to create yours? Thanks in advance.

  • @JRBDWD
    @JRBDWD Před 2 lety

    This is great and satisfactoy.

  • @cmw184
    @cmw184 Před 2 lety

    Homestly that german trap remix was real good

  • @acethedoge
    @acethedoge Před 3 lety +6

    The US will also include the Panama Canal, but a US and Canadian union will be epic

  • @Sviareik
    @Sviareik Před 6 měsíci

    3:30 Swedish Varangians founded and ruled the Kievan Rus for a while aswell!

  • @smokezonee
    @smokezonee Před 4 lety +2

    good intro 100

  • @leonardoabelcapistranmoren3892

    My mind: Italy irredenty 🇮🇹
    *gain core on lomardia
    *gain core on dalmatia
    *gain core on venetia

  • @jemobolqvadze6905
    @jemobolqvadze6905 Před 4 lety +5

    Could you please make the that ,,great USA’’’s the alternative history,please?ill be very pleased if u do since I s
    Wish to see how would you make that alternative history since I respect your way of making it.thank you very much!!😗😗😙😙🥰🥰🥰

    • @Neatling
      @Neatling  Před 4 lety +2

      Maybe at some point. But to be honest, I don't think the US controlling Canada and Greenland would change history very much. Canadians would just be Americans. And the US would be the worlds largest country, larger than Russia. But it wouldn't be much more powerful or rich. Just slightly more. History would pan out very similarly to in our world.

    • @jemobolqvadze6905
      @jemobolqvadze6905 Před 4 lety +1

      Neatling I do understand your opinion,however I still wish to see the ,,made-up” history of this gigantic alternate country.please reply the minute you see this.thank you very much

  • @JRBDWD
    @JRBDWD Před 2 lety +1

    I appreaciate the "realistic" versions of irrendtist countries but considering crazy IRL history is i couldnt be sure how "realistic" they could really be.

  • @Lukdnuke_Narson
    @Lukdnuke_Narson Před 4 lety +3

    What if Bolivars greater Columbia survived to this day. It having the original 3 nations inside of it and expanding a little

  • @henrylansing9734
    @henrylansing9734 Před 3 lety +6

    0:06 HOT DAMNNN what is that remix called

    • @reddyfox335
      @reddyfox335 Před 3 lety +3

      Found it
      czcams.com/video/CXyRACdq694/video.html

    • @henrylansing9734
      @henrylansing9734 Před 3 lety +2

      @@reddyfox335 thank you, lovely Serb

    • @reddyfox335
      @reddyfox335 Před 3 lety +1

      @@henrylansing9734 You're welcome

  • @bryce4894
    @bryce4894 Před 3 lety +3

    0:05 what is that song called?

  • @zack4915
    @zack4915 Před 3 lety +2

    7:09
    *They never got Sicily*

  • @Matteus2109
    @Matteus2109 Před 2 lety

    Every nation EVER with a history a few hundred years old: "Look at all those countries I used to own"

  • @UlisesHeureaux
    @UlisesHeureaux Před 4 lety +3

    Why can’t greater Denmark include Norway as well? Norway was united for centuries with Denmark until it was lost in 1814, right?

    • @Neatling
      @Neatling  Před 4 lety +2

      It could. But with these videos I attempt to be more "realistic" and conservative. Just making small changes to history, that could have lead to these countries being larger. Denmark keeping Norway would take quite a bit of changes. Despite being under Denmark, and changing their language to the point where it almost became Danish, Norway always kept a distinct cultural identity. I simply think they would have wanted independence, and if we're not making big changes to history, Denmark would eventually have allowed a referendum.
      The Scania region however, would never have pushed to leave Denmark. They were a core part of Denmark just as much as Jutland, and spoke Danish for at least a century, if not two, while under Sweden. Them "becoming Swedish", was actually a fairly recent event. It was a very slow processed that you can argue is still going on, as especially older Scanians still pronounce their R's like us Danes sometimes, and use Danish words which other Swedes don't. Another realistic greater Denmark would be the Kalmar Union staying together, which I have made a video on. Scandinavia developing a common cultural identity like Germany and Italy did seems more realistic to me, than Denmark just keeping Norway.

    • @UlisesHeureaux
      @UlisesHeureaux Před 4 lety +1

      @@Neatling I understand. Thanks. Denmark seems to have an interesting history. I'd love to learn more, especially since it was once the powerhouse of Scandinavia until it was eclipsed by Sweden.

  • @ernst_stvs
    @ernst_stvs Před 2 lety

    Rly nice vid!

  • @megaton6023
    @megaton6023 Před 3 lety +1

    I’d say that the “most” realistic US outcome would be if the usa annexed the canadian west coast, that way gaining a direct land connection with alaska

    • @parkerjones1520
      @parkerjones1520 Před 2 lety +1

      Might be plausible since there’s a noticeable separatist sentiments in western Canada and their Supreme Court ruled that secession is legal for Canadian provinces

  • @augustinus5877
    @augustinus5877 Před 3 lety +1

    Edit: look at the comments, @Neatling corrected a grave mistake of mine. I will still keep this comment up, though, for everyone interested in the history of the German-Danish War and the Duchies of Schleswig and Holstein
    Schleswig was populated by a majority German population when it was annexed, also, it wasn't conquered solely by Prussia, but it was a war, where the german federation attacked in unison (the most important players being Prussia and Austria), because the King of Denmark annexed the Duchies of Schleswig and Holstein, which were in a personal union under the Danish king. This was against old treaties, stating that they would never be incorporated into Denmark, which were specifically created because of the german population of these duchies. So the breaking of the treaties as well as the German population being under Danish rule were perfect excuses/ reasons to start a war, especially for the German Federation, of which these duchies had been a part of before the annexation.
    The war for Schleswig and Holstein was also the prelude for the German brothers war, because Austria and Prussia decided to share Administration of the territories, although the Brothers' War was mostly about Supremacy inside the German Federation.
    Source: My (German) history classes, but before you say that they might be biased, these Informations are openly accessible on the internet, and I also want to add, that because of some things that happened in the past (WW2 etc.), German history books tend to be really critical regarding Germany's past, especially when looking at offensive wars

    • @Neatling
      @Neatling  Před 3 lety +1

      I know the history of Schleswig. You do a decent job explaining it.
      But a majority of Schleswig was not populated by Germans. Even today the split is about 50/50. Since Denmark has Northern Schleswig, and around 50 thousand Danes still live in Southern Schleswig.
      And this is all after Danes have been leaving North Schleswig for Sjælland and other regions of Denmark. And centuries of Germanification. Under Prussia and later Germany, many Germans were moved into Schleswig to make it more German.
      Before that Schleswig was majority Danish. But there was a substantial German minority in the region, especially in the south. But a minority nonetheless. The reason there was a German minority particularly in southern Schleswig was because Germans had been moving in during much of the middle ages. During the Viking age and early middle ages, there were almost no Germans north of Dannevirke.
      Schleswig linguistic divides before the German migration to the region: da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hertugd%C3%B8mmet_Slesvig#/media/Fil:Bos%C3%A6tningsomr%C3%A5derSlesvig-HolstenDannevirke.png
      Schleswig linguistic divides after the German migration to the region:
      da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprogskifte#/media/Fil:SprogforholdSlesvig.png
      The orange regions on the second map were still majority Danish, but there was a growing German minority. The lighter gray had become majority German, but had a large Danish minority. The yellow regions were Frisian speaking. So not Danish or German.
      If you have any complaints about Wikipedia, just look at their sources on the bottom of the main page.

    • @augustinus5877
      @augustinus5877 Před 3 lety

      @@Neatling @Neatling I see, thanks for the maps :)
      also, I'm sorry, I mixed Schleswig up with Holstein, I hope I didn't sound too dumb to you, you're right, Schleswig was populated by a majority Danish population when it got taken away from Denmark

    • @Neatling
      @Neatling  Před 3 lety +1

      @@augustinus5877 Not to worry, history is complicated lol. I forget things and get things wrong all the time.
      And yes Holstein was of course majority German. So it would be easy to get things confused, since Schleswig-Holstein as a unified entity was majority German. Just because more people live/lived in Holstein than in Schleswig.

  • @ekszentrik
    @ekszentrik Před 3 lety +1

    Swiss irredentism: much of Lombardy including the city of Milan, which was controlled by a Swiss puppet in the 1500s, plus actual annexations around Ticino: the Valtelina, which was part much longer than above; some counties around Geneva; a few cities in Germany because they were loosley part of the confederation; Liechtenstein; Vorarlberg, which voted to become Swiss. That's about it. Realistic would be Liechtenstein and Vorarlberg, as they are culturally Swiss.

  • @acertainredpanda1115
    @acertainredpanda1115 Před 2 lety

    Netherlands: omnomnom Belgian waffles omnomnom

  • @christianwestling2019
    @christianwestling2019 Před 3 lety +1

    Name of the glorious version of Erika in the beginning?

  • @ann-catherinemorner7499
    @ann-catherinemorner7499 Před 3 lety +2

    How about showing countries at their smallest?
    Well, some would disappear.
    But. Everyone goes to the country they think are theirs. All the leftover bits those of us who know that we have origins in more than one place will be able to get along...

  • @siggelilliehook7332
    @siggelilliehook7332 Před 2 lety

    The only thing that made the Kalmar union more danish than swedish or norwegian was the monarch who started it, in the swedish city of Kalmar. So tbh it was also norwegian and swedish, not just danish.

  • @thesheepofdeath1890
    @thesheepofdeath1890 Před 2 lety +1

    7:10
    The island of Sicily is holding strong!

  • @purpledevilr7463
    @purpledevilr7463 Před 2 lety +1

    That mega Germany at the start. With the sword with wings in the corner.
    I remember that channel. I can’t remember it’s name, can somebody help me out.

  • @Veriox22
    @Veriox22 Před 4 lety +1

    Amazing

  • @hazelobrien1727
    @hazelobrien1727 Před 2 lety

    The Vatican: Hey Italy could I have some land back, you know with not getting much recognition today and being so…
    Italy: * STOMP *

  • @solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad

    The US was also close to owning Cuba

  • @bbdanny
    @bbdanny Před 3 lety +4

    there are barely any majority swedesh towns on the finnish coast, almost no city has over 1% native swedish speakers, pretty much only the åland islands have a majority

    • @svenskathule8434
      @svenskathule8434 Před 2 lety

      how can it come then that some entire cities in finland only brodcast swedish speaking tv networks

    • @svenskathule8434
      @svenskathule8434 Před 2 lety

      vasa for exempel

  • @supremevendingmachine4950

    I was about to skip through the video to find Denmark, but then by my amazement came as first. Ended up watching the whole video lol

  • @BiscuitDelivery
    @BiscuitDelivery Před 2 lety

    Everyone seems to forget that Mexico and the United States nearly merged together after fighting a bloody war with each other.

  • @CodyMapping
    @CodyMapping Před 2 lety +1

    Southern Schleswig was never fully Danish

  • @SchultzHISTnPOL
    @SchultzHISTnPOL Před 3 lety +4

    Denmark has also had control over Oldenburg, argueably rest of finland (was a claim shared with novgorod) and argueably scotland (as a vassal) and bits and pieces of ireland (vassals) most noteably Dublin
    oh, and also more of estonia
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Estonia_(1219%E2%80%931346)

  • @oflineguy4289
    @oflineguy4289 Před 2 lety +1

    Does anyone know the German song in the beginning ?

    • @oflineguy4289
      @oflineguy4289 Před 2 lety

      never mind found it and the song is Erika if anyone is wondering

  • @Captain-Axeman
    @Captain-Axeman Před 2 lety +1

    Me sad, no Greater Norway..well i know what greater Norway was but still.
    Also, i just consider the Danes theives. Greenland, Iceland and Faroese Island enter the union was Norwegian territory.

  • @timesnewlogan2032
    @timesnewlogan2032 Před 2 lety

    There's also the territory President Polk wanted after the Mexican-American War, but was denied because the diplomat sent to negotiate the peace gave them the best deal he could. Personally, I kinda like the way it would have looked with Baja California. Think of all that beachfront property!

  • @z4ng-gaming606
    @z4ng-gaming606 Před 3 lety +1

    You need more views

  • @alehaim
    @alehaim Před 2 lety

    About the greater US, I would argue that the norhtern Mexican states bordering the US would be a good addition. This is because culturally, economically and infrastructurally these provinces are way more connected to the United States than to Mexico itself. US culture has spread quite strongly to these bordering regions, the economies of these regions are incredibly integrated to the US industries, like with the car industry of Texas having a lot of functions in the state of Tamaulipas, Nuevo Leon and Coahuila. There are more highways connecting northern Mexico to the United States, than there are motorways connecting it to the rest of Mexico.

  • @fkjl4717
    @fkjl4717 Před 2 lety +1

    5:25 WTF is that? WTF is that? It is not greatest expansion of Roman Empire, it is not the greatest expansion of Italy.

  • @LEFT4BASS
    @LEFT4BASS Před 3 lety +2

    I feel like an irredentist US would also be likely to include Cuba, which the US government has historically wanted, and would connect the US much better with its territory of Puerto Rico.

  • @silversound3984
    @silversound3984 Před 2 lety

    Yo what's the German song that shit fire 🔥

  • @bahao1274
    @bahao1274 Před 3 lety +1

    Nice video but there are small mistakes with the map of modern day Greece. Greece does not own the islands in the Sea of Marmara nor the Gokceada and Bozaada islands near the Dardanelles strait

  • @thorinerebor8940
    @thorinerebor8940 Před 3 lety

    5:10 the best part

  • @Archmagos_Faber
    @Archmagos_Faber Před 2 lety

    i'm pretty sure your wrong about south Schleswig, the main reason Austria and Prussia went to war was Denmark breaking a treaty during the constitutional crisis, i don't know much about the subject but in a book i read called history of Germany as well as it being mentioned in several documentaries and CZcams videos Schleswig or the south of it at least was seen as a German duchy and the Germans living there wanted to be other the German confederacy or something, not to sure but i hope someone can clear that up for me

  • @taragonleaf8005
    @taragonleaf8005 Před 2 lety +1

    I'm suprised you didn't show Mexico under US occupation. Most of their populated territory was occupied by the US in the Mexican American war.

  • @xaoz2362
    @xaoz2362 Před 3 lety +2

    Nah, Not Greenland, you went way over your boundaries there bro.

  • @teodortodorov4712
    @teodortodorov4712 Před 2 lety +1

    0:10 When Did Serbia HAd access to the Black sea???

  • @heinrich8390
    @heinrich8390 Před 3 lety +1

    You said that southern Schleswig was danish and danish speaking up until Prussia conquered it, that is however completely wrong, the area was always German speaking

    • @heinrich8390
      @heinrich8390 Před 3 lety

      Where did you even get that information Schleswig was never even part of Prussia

  • @YouTube_handle_system_sucks

    From the intro, I thought it is gonna be an entire video of each countries' imperial ambitions memes lol
    Btw Imperial Germany does not look bad at all with the Kingdom of Ukraine exalting over Soviet Russia nearby :)

  • @arkcliref
    @arkcliref Před 3 lety +1

    Philippine irredentism: Sabah is Philippine!
    (For those who don't know, Sabah is located in North Borneo.)

    • @MasonGreenWeed
      @MasonGreenWeed Před 3 lety +1

      Indonesian Irredentism in nutshell : Ganyang Malaysia

  • @harkmi3
    @harkmi3 Před 3 lety +2

    We live further than « just a few miles » from the US border. It is safer to say within a few hundred kilometres.

    • @alexavalos5437
      @alexavalos5437 Před 3 lety +1

      A few hundred kilometers is probably 100 miles, and honestly, it might as well just be a couple of miles considering the size of both countries and how close the majority of Canadians living near the border

    • @Jay-qb9gi
      @Jay-qb9gi Před 3 lety

      You live inches from the US border, that’s fine anyway.

    • @harkmi3
      @harkmi3 Před 3 lety

      @@alexavalos5437 a few miles implies that the entire population could commute daily to the US and interact on a daily basis with Americans. With the exception of a few border towns, that is simply not the case in Canada. We are close but not that close.

    • @alexavalos5437
      @alexavalos5437 Před 3 lety

      @@harkmi3 300 miles, which is mire or less 900 kilometers, is the distance between Phoenix and Los Angeles. Actually. That’s less. LA is 360 miles and it’s a 6 hour drive. Now if the majority of Canadians lived that far, I might give you this argument, but you said it was a couple hundred kilos, not nearly 1 thousand

    • @harkmi3
      @harkmi3 Před 3 lety

      @@alexavalos5437 first off, not sure where you learned how to convert miles to kilomètres but you are way off. 360 miles is about 570 Kms. Secondly, it’s not really for you to “give me” this argument. You go ahead and measure (incorrectly) distances in your country and apply them to the way people in other countries interpret distances all you want, but they really play no significant role in the way we see it. As I stated earlier, there is a material difference between a couple of kilometres and a few hundred kilometers. In the former you are part of a neighborhood and in the latter you are in a completely different city. That has an impact on how you relate to your surroundings. Add in a border, a different history and different political system, and for many a different language and you have fundamental differences between the two areas.