A bridge near a Minnesota dam is at the risk of collapse
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- čas přidán 1. 07. 2024
- Rushing waters from the Blue Earth River have already left a trail of debris and destruction on the edges of a southern Minnesota dam that partially failed last week, but officials acknowledged Tuesday the structure most in danger may be the bridge that looms nearby. Read more here: apne.ws/GATTmFT
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County engineer knew about the problems of the dam in 1972.
This is what happens when you "kick the can down the road".
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In Donald trump's amerussia, can kicks you.
@@lawrencejneuser8801 Nature just put the hammer down.
Why would you set a bridge pier on top of sandstone in the first place??? and not go into the sandstone 10 ft. to reinforce it so it doesn't wash away.... Left a problem for someone else to deal with is what they did... " FIRE " and Sue the Contractors that did the work.
Tired of capitalism yet?
@@ThatOpalGuy No. We are not tired of capitalism yet.
It's a faulty system that is head-and-shoulders better than any alternative.
@@ThatOpalGuyIf you prefer COMMUNISM, you know where to go.
Have they thought about trying to save this bridge by putting boulders around the pilings until a fix could be drawn up to prevent it from total wash out followed by collapse?
one way to get it fixed , neglect it till something like this happens ,then get federal money to replace it at a fraction of the maintenance costs ,
Tax Payers Expense again because of Negligence of the County and Government AKA STATE of Minnesota
So, dam is staying? Dam is going? Dam will be rebuilt? Why
Well Dam, that's a lot dam questions
Improperly designed bridge footings. What engineering firm put together those design plans? Who approved the build design?
what happened to the dam store?
It was emptied out, then (compassionately) bought by the county and demolished before the ground could -- and would -- erode out from under it.
Dam thing got torn down.
It was 20ft from unstable ground. They tore it down.
@@xheralt Ok, thanks for the info. Probably the correct decision, even if the ground won't get eroded. Also probably saves the county from legal battles, since they probably ruled all that out with the contract to buy the dam store from the family. Hope they got enough to make it somewhere else...further away from dammed rivers.
They tore it down.. I’m surprised they didn’t try dumping or push in large rock as riprap to slow bank erosion. I understand a ton of current but they’d build up along the bank and eventually fall/settle and sink in along the bank. Huge sand bags stopped the flow of the water through the levee in New Orleans after Katrina, and that completely blocked the entire gap across the strong current in the middle.. this is just along the edge where it’s a little weaker current.
Who's going to pay for the house, and the store that got washed away. Did you guys just happen to wake up one morning and find out that the river had jammed up the dam? You should have had some equipment standing by to clear out the dam, not just stand there and watch the river tear someone's life apart.
Why immediately look to government to fix and be responsible for damages to private property? Why didn’t the homeowners have flood insurance, they did live on the side of a river. They had 500 year flooding, no dam currently built can automatically clear the debris washed down rivers like this. Did you watch any of the video of it and actually pay attention to the massive flow of water? What kind of equipment do you suggest that they have on hand to clear that debris? Any idea what can actually reach far enough and able to grapple debris (with a large current like was going on), I don’t know of anything and I’m a contractor. Sad that these people lost everything, I’m betting they will survive and do just fine.
@@cavediver2579 Ok DA
@@cavediver2579 Well Genius: They could have mounted a crane on top of the dam on rails run by remote,, The top of the Dam was closed to foot traffic anyways. Everyone would have been safe and not put at risk.... I guess some people just don't have the intelligence to do what needs to be done... Could have saved everyone the trouble and heart break.
@@shannonpaplow7754 Mount a custom-designed, remote-controlled crane on a hundred year old dam that has no support for such a massive new load? Gee, what an obvious solution.
@@shannonpaplow7754 back at ya Einstein, How are you going to pick up debris with said crane? And the cost of that crane makes it not feasible for a small count dam for debris removal for a 500 year flood. I don’t know of any dam built that has any kind of permanent debris removal equipment installed on it. Maybe you could enlighten us.
The dam didn't fail. The water literally went around it. Given the amount of water encountered, the dam held up surprisingly well.
The dam failed catastrophically. None of the gates opened to allow high flow through the dam which would preserve its integrity and prevent scour from overflow. This is a direct result from lack of infrastructure maintenance that is systemic throughout the US.
@@boddysurfer The dam did not fail, and there has never been any scour from "overflow." Allowing the top gates to get partially plugged with debris is the operator's fault.
@@jasminelindros8923 The entire left bank was scoured, destroyed a business, home and the total use of the dam, but you go ahead and claim the dam didn't fail on a technicality. Your lack of empathy is appalling.
@@boddysurfer If you think "empathy" can improve dam safety then you are severely impaired, boddy. Water likely bypassed the dam via improper surface drainage or piping along the top of the bedrock, two mechanisms that have absolutely nothing to do with a catastrophic dam failure. There is no technicality here, there is simply cause and effect, and neither of those are affected in any way by your emotional outburst.
Dams are not designed according to where they’re built, got it. Wooden door submarines.
Well gee, why wasn't the pilings driven or drilled into the bedrock to begin with????? I've worked on bridge jobs and all of them had pilies driven or drilled into solid ground. Who authorized this should pay for a new bridge.
how old where you 40 years ago?
You "worked on bridge jobs" but not on the engineering front end. Lateral Stability. The engineer spoke plainly about it in the video. Try to be open to what you don't know so you can learn.
Because its cheaper this way, of course...haha
come on mann , dont confuse them with any facts
Have you considered making a sleeve for the pilings? maybe place an earthquake device on the surface of the bridge to check on future mvmt.
Wireless monitoring devices have been available for years, but there are 10’s of thousands of highway bridges in the US, many of which cross rivers, and installing these monitors, and hiring the people to maintain the system and manage the immense amount of data being generated, is an extraordinarily expensive endeavor. Like many things safety related, we CAN do something, but we just can’t AFFORD to do it.
As for sleeves around pilings, there are myriad solutions to guard against scour, but once again, it’s a matter of time and money, neither of which are unlimited.
So before the dam even overtopped and debris was seen to be building up, nobody thought to take an excavator and clear the debris as it built up? This whole disaster could have been mitigated with quick thinking and swift action. But now a home and business has been lost, and a vital bridge connection is compromised. Piering and pouring a pile cap to support the bridge pier is now the fastest and best option while there is no traffic.
Way to say you haven't looked into it at all. They've addressed all that already.
Yup, those officials should have gotten their advice from random comments on CZcams. You really saved the day, much appreciated!
@@CountryAndProud Maybe this person doesn't have all day to "look into it" If "they've addressed it already" and you know what the answer is, maybe you could just enlighten all of us with the answer ! So why wasn't an excavator sent out on the dam to clear debris ?
The person in the excavator would be risking their life because there would be no chance of rescue.
The contractor said it was unsafe to perform debris removal, given the possibility that the dam could encounter a catastrophic failure. This all happened way too quickly for any action to be taken.
Where is this? What is a Minesota dam? I haven't heard of that type..
18 billion dollar tax surplus last year in Minnesota.. they blew it all right away too..
There are no solutions, only tradeoffs - Thomas Sowell
They cut corners and got 40 years out of the bridge. Maybe if they spent twice as much it would have lasted 100. Maybe if they spent more on (expensive ) maintenance it would have lasted 80. We'll never know.
Inspectors told YOU 18 yrs ago… $ $ $
told them what exactly? I doubt anyone told them that this dam is at risk of getting clogged and if it does the water will cut around it to the left side.
the town county or State should pay for the loss of the house & the store.
Isn't that the job of insurance?
Usually the entity that completed the structure holds liability for the appliance for 10 years. After that, it is assumed that changes within the environment contributed more to the failure than the design.
@@hugoknight1 insurance agents work their tail off to find ways of not paying you.
@@hugoknight1 yes the insurance that the town and the state carry
fix the new dam so debris goes through it so as not hold water back.
The water has to and will go back to where Mother Nature put it
No rebuilding if it’s not enough sand left for structure & I doubt we have enough Chinese designers for this project so just let them in to take over structural engineering & we might survive 🇺🇸 in the next 3 years for sure or 🪦 for everything in it 😎 .
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Dan needs to be removed!!!
Never so true unless they store water for consumption! We certainly don't need them for energy production--solar is fast outpacing oil and hydro!
Nobody likes Dan 😂
I agree. Ive never liked Dan and frankly, I think he's dresses funny.
I wish at least SOME of the recent $18 billion surplus would have actually been saved in a rainy day fund for rainy day catastrophes like this instead of being foolishly spent!
Hey don’t forget migrant’s need 10k, and a bed and food at The Red Roof inn in Plymouth, and Health Care…. That’s were the money is
@@andygosha4485 What an embarrassing and hateful viewpoint. The world would be better without you in it
@@andygosha4485 that is correct.. and they still busing them in from down south... Sickening.. By the way they will be voting ( Demonrat) for generations to come.
Up go the taxes. Need to keep better care of the infrastructure.
Let the river be a river stop wasting money .
Such a Dam sad story about the bridge.
All these civil engineers if doing their jobs fully are supposed to be PREVENTING these occurrences, not reporting on their demaise and future rebuilding. Never mind I failed to prevent a structural disaster, lets now focus on how my employment will be secured for the next decade building a new one.
First step in the rectification & rebuilding process - sack all the current engineers & anyone involved in the maintenance of this dam; or councilors who withheld funds.
So in usual government engineering fashion we didnt build it correctly the first time. So now we will have to allocate more resources to build another bridge.
Shur could use that 250 million from the feeding our future program, huh Walz??
They could fix the bridge and dam if the governor and his gang would stop stealing all the phucking money!!!!
Do you have any factual support for your ignorant, paranoid rant?
What a dumb name for a river.
It's an English translation of a Dakota name "The river where the blue earth is gathered".
Democrat-run
You're sure the dam was built by Democrats?
Are you sure? Pretty rural
😂😂😂 the Fall of White America
Is this what you learned in your “woke” studies class?
@@218philip Yep the Fall of White America is coming
In Africa they still live in grass huts and need donations to feed their children because they can't survive on their own. Just like in the US they need welfare and prison to support them.
@@218philipWithout welfare and prison to support them , where would they be. 😂
Will we see the rise of Black America? Or are black fathers still absent?