Spyderco Police and Military (why I stopped carrying them)
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"my finger always goes fully in the hole"
hearing this out of context changes the category
ahahahahaa
The spyderco backlog knives are one hand open and close if you do it right. Put your index finger near the pivot and let the blade fall into your finger with the non sharpened piece. Then close. It works better with their knives that have the forward finger choil.
I close my native one-handed all the time and have more trust in the safety of the backlock.
I used to be a tip up fan until I started really thinking about it. Tip up is in proper opening position if you stick your whole mitt in your pocket to pull it out sure, but I just grab the top of the knife . . So carrying tip down means the stud or hole is ready next to my thumb to open in one smooth motion as I draw it out.
Pepper spot on brother.
Exactly!
I agree, tip down is the best way to carry a knife (I know it is not for all knives)
Black Rain I think Peppers point was that it depends on how you grab the knife. And the knife itself. Not so much that A is better than B.
It varies from knife to knife. On larger knives, tip down is more practical. Because when they are tip up, when you grab it, your hand is all the way down at the bottom. Then you gotta readjust your grip to get your thumb up to the business end. I had my eyes on a microtech socom, but held off for years, thinking I would hate tip down. I kept thinking “ok, this year they’ll make a tip up version”. Finally I just bought one, and love that it’s tip down. Smaller knives, or wave opening knives (obviously) are nice tip up
I identify as bi-tipual.
lol awesome
Me too... all depends on the ergos and pocket interference
Tip up. Doesn't require rotating the knife before deployment.
If done correctly you don't rotate it, tip up is prone to fumble...
Tip down, so you don't slice your hand open if the blade decides to leave it's home.
I just so happened to stumble across your video while binge watching spiderco videos & let me tell you the relationship between you and who I'm assuming is your wife is absolutely lovely man! I can tell just from this one 16 minute video that y'all are each other's puzzle pieces it really seems y'all were cut for one another. You also gave great insight and I'm glad to see you're still keeping it in the family with many other spidercos definetly a sub!
thanks Eric!
Been watching for years, we all need a wife like Frankie 😊
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Depends on the knife, but I carry every way even loose in the pocket and back pocket next to my wallet. It really depends on the knife and it’s intended use.
I have the same camo military. One of my favorite food prep knives and the coating still looks awesome. Only gripe is the tip down and the tip is fragile for hard use.
I'm actually gravitating to back lock blades lately, Manix 2 back lock, Cold Steel SR1, and I have no problem opening and closing with one hand. The only locks I really like anymore besides the back lock, are the compression lock and the liner.
If your knife open inside your pocket and you reach inside your pocket tip down is safer. All you end up doing is contacting the spine of the blade and closing the knife.
Military for life, I have had it since I was 19 years old and I just turned 30. I carried it religiously for like 8 years, dropped it off a 2 story parking garage. I even saved a dudes hand from a ratchet strap situation gone wrong. It was also my primary defensive tool over a gun when I had to go to San Francisco. Love it forever. I WILL NEVER STRAY IN MY HEART THOUGH I MAY CARRY OTHER KNIVES lol
it's a habit that your finger goes fully in the hole 😆
Tip up, due to high volume wave carry, no beef with back-locks, I wave modded a Cold Steel Pro-Lite and love it as Mn winter edc since 4116 Krupp behaves like a budget H1
Great channel! Subscribed!
Right hand Tip up....thanks Birds. Have a great weekend
i think larger knives are good for tip down. but i really dont carry anything with longer than 3.3in blade anymore
I've carried a Military for over a decade off and on. I also have a PM2 with a tip up. I can draw and deploy the Military faster than the PM2 just because I'm used to it. An update with an Axis or compression lock would be awesome though.
Hey bro I got good news for you!
@@fg63-6 I just saw this week!!! Time to piss off my girlfriend with another knife purchase.
Back in 2009 my first EDC knife was the Gerber swagger (TDO) I think I carried it for about a year before I got another Gerber that was tip up. Ever since then I only carry tip up as I find the deployment is way easier and just over all feels better, especially when the pocket clip isn't digging into your hand. That's a big factor before I buy a knife and I tend to turn down knives that would otherwise be great. Anyways I love your videos and hope to see you guys again soon. Stay sharp
My second ganzo was the ganzomilitary. I was so stoked about it back then.
Hey Guys, I have the PM 2 and for my hand and finger configuration, I use the pocket clip in the “tip up” position to help me grip the knife for better spidey flicking.
If you don't mind me asking where do you sell your knives (I've heard you often mention it in your videos you've sold a particular blade)?
we mostly use our Esty store for that
www.etsy.com/shop/birdshotiv?ref=search_shop_redirect
There is that saying: "If it no longer brings you joy, then let it go" I've been looking at a lot of the stuff I've collected the last few years and that saying reverberates for me.
I love it every time you say you're going to edit that out you normally don't! Great video
So what does tip up do for you that you prefer it?
I personally like tip up, but tip down was originally intended for big knives, so your thumb is closer to the opening mechanism (for ex. the spydie hole), because it takes more time on a big knife, if it is tip up to reach the thumb hole. Peace
I gave a Military to my son-n-law when he deployed! He brought it back all safe, but somewhat used. But for me, a P3 is the perfect size.
What’s your favorite fixed blades I don’t see you use or edc them much
Frankie's is the Esee Izula and mine is any Mora
Great video!!! Thanks guys
I love my Military, PM2, Delica and my full serrated Endura that I won for top qualifier at the range! I EDC all of them, just depends on my mood for the day which one I carry. Now I want a new Police 4 Lightweight. Love your videos you guys! Tip down, tip up, I like both...
Carry them ALL at the same time! My younger Brother doesn't call me Richie 5 knive's for nothing......
After hearing the Apache Knive philosophy, about having as many blades available on you (just as long as they don't interfere with each other, obviously) so that in the heat of the moment where ever you put your hand, there's a blade.
I carry the Identical Manix 2 in the left pocket, and ususlly a COld Steel Hold Out in XHP steel, or Spartan in BD1. I have Broken Skull that i carry in the Jacket or vest. Then i will also pack a Spyderco Pygmy Warrior knife on the belt, or Enuff Serrated, or Perrin Street Bowie in scout carry.
Then i Use the Domino i have, exactly the same as his, as a nice money clip.
The Paramilitary 3 will fond its way in there as well.
I really like that Military model,......
Are you going to get the Endura 4 in ZDP-189??
Thanks for the video guys. I agree, the Endura does kinda make those obsolete.
yep, thank you for watching!
0:06 why did I feel like he was about to go postal or something for a split second😂
I don't know whether my knives are tip up, or tip down. What I do notice about these knives is there are lanyard holes on the clip side. I have a user military that I really like to carry.
In general tip up works for me
I dont mind tip down all that much (Ken onion kershaws tended to be designed with that in mind back in the day and I loved them) but after a few mishaps I will no longer carry a knife tip down with the blade facing into the pocket (tip down right side, I guess).
Tip up is obviously the most natural way to draw and open without a lot of fiddling, but I dont use my knives in high stress situations so it's really not a big deal in my opinion. Hell, I've been throwing a couple traditionals in leather slips into the lineup these days and I haven't yet found myself thinking "man I wish I could have gotten that out a couple seconds faster"
I just bought one and love it. tip up doesn't bother me even though I prefer tip up.
I bought a used millie and was wondering if yours here somehow made it to me, but the digicamo markings are unique to each one!
You guys are very funny. Regarding your question: both tip up and down. I carry the knife the way it came.
As a kid my first quality knife was a kershaw leek that I saved up 50$ and Bought from Walmart. I was so proud of that thing and used it for years until finally the tip broke. I always carried that tip down cause that’s the way it came and I didn’t know swapping it was even a thing. When the tip broke I started looking for something knew. That’s when the spyderco tenacious came along and in the videos everybody had swapped the clip so I gave it a try and since that I will not buy and know that can’t be swapped to tip up. Something in the way i grab it out of the pocket feel right. And I cannot carry tip down anymore...
Are you guys going to get the new blade hq exclusive spyderco delica
not likely unless they magically send it to us! Mostly saving for Blade right now
Endura 4. Half serration.. 👍 it goes really good with my taurus GX4 and My Gshock watch.. all together is a Sweet EDC set up ..
Hey guys what is the make of the big folder in the background?
...carry the Mil.4.....with thumb and forefinger withdrawal, requires 'minor' hand adjustment(movement) vs. tip up; for proper opening and hold.. (faster , correct positioning, especially with gloved hand)....no need for walking up the handle for correct hold...have a great evening...happy Birthday ! ....
thank you!
Depends on the pocket I'm carrying it in and the deployment of the knife.
Just bought the Resilience an love this thing, I know its a cheapie, but don't tell it, lol it is a great size, an very comfortable in hand. Love it.
military on lock ... is it titan ? and other side of liner stainless ?
Hey, what do you guys think of the Wisemen Fang?
haha, kinda gaudy looking
I bought a Police 4 and doesn't get much time in my pocket due to the size. The back lock didn't bother me. I have a Caly3 and love it. I thought the Police 4 would be manageable, but it's just to big and tactical looking for me to use as an edc. It sticks out of the pocket a little too much as well. Maybe a deep carry clip would make me feel differently but I am not sure if that's even an option.
I wanted a Caly3 for awhile some years back
BirdShot IV actually it's the Caly 3.5 ZDP-189... Regardless, I like the caly a lot and even at 3.5 inches it's more manageable than the police 4...
I just listened the screws a little to use my compression lock for one-handed opening and closing.
Tip up
I used to be kind of a Spyderco guy long ago, but apparently I use my folders fairly hard. I’ve been through a handful of liners and lockbacks (lots of up/down play)... now it’s all about Cold Steel with the triad lock for carry and use. My spydies just chill on/in my dresser. Also, I fidget all my blades 😬, even the Rajah II I can play with one hand.
The Police is an amazing knife. It is definitely a one-handed knife if you know what you're doing, and it's very confidence-inspiring. The SS models are only like 8mm or 1/3" thick and disappear in a pocket, yet open into a full-sized and very capable knife. Perfect for people unable to legally carry firearms, and it even goes well with a suit. I've recently gotten a Police 4 FRN, as it has less weight and more grip, but a Police is my constant companion, and it has never let me down. There's a good reason why they have been produced in virtually identical form for almost 40 years. Highly recommended. I always pair my Spyderco knives with MXG Gear deep-carry pocket clips, for the best possible comfort and concealment.
I find tip up easier to open, but I find tip down to be overall safer since I have had knives especially some of the looser detent knives i own to sneak open in my pocket tip up.
Are any pm2 going up for sale
Speaking of the coated blades what do y'all prefer, and serrated non serrated.
definitely non serrated
The first "real" pocket knife I bought was the CRKT M-16 and the version that I have is ONLY tip down. So I guess I just got used to carrying my knife that way. It bugs me now when a knife is only tip up!
Have you tried the LA police gear knife? It comes in S35VN for $40. Shipping is $8, I think; that’s what has stopped me from buying it (silly). I will buy it soon I would bet.
I prefer tip up carry but have tried tip down and had issues with partial opening 2 pairs of pants with holes cut out the front of the pocket and a nasty finger cut now i carry tip down only knives in a belt pouch also i have an original endura clipit that came with a plastic clip that is one piece with the scale (broken off of course )and the blade is simply marked Japan so it is the original G2 (gingano 2 )steel which seems about like 14c28n for edge holding -20 bucks at a gun show -cheers have a great Friday night
not a bad deal! thanks GC
Reached in my pocket one day and the knife I had on me had opened up, I had it tip up, so it was very scary to jam my fingers into the blades edge, luckily I wasn’t sliced up to bad, but since then I always preferred tip down carry.
Just did that this last week with my Ganzo 51... Which has a REAL nasty tip. Stabbed thumb something fierce.
What's wrong with tip down, some people like missionary style.
Having it tip up and out facing is going full Nelson.
Just bought a military today always been a tip up guy but til down is okay ill get use to it
Resilience is a great portable kitchen knife for food prep. A police 4 in a compression lock would be awesome!
nice review! i love these models and have the military, but i have started just to throw any knife in my front right pocket with wallet and forget about the clip--wallet won't scratch knife and knife won't get caught in keys or change which go in left front pocket. nothing in back pockets to sit on or tear upholstery which to borrow from nick is "a very good thing".
Tip up all the way! That said I think some long handled knives like the Millie and Tatanka benefit from tip down. There's less hand shimy involved when opening and the clip can help provide extra leverage.
I like your free-form videos. The lack of structure is more like having an actual conversation on knives with friends.
Cozy and comfortable. Love your channel!
we really appreciate that Anthony, thanks for the feedback!
That's why I sent the link for the thumb stud. All knives with that can be one handed open
My son prefers to carry tip-down.
(It makes me feel like a failure as a parent.)
ha!!
That must be really disappointing for a father. I‘m sorry for you, friend. :/
Tip down is great for back right pocket carry. That being said, I carry tip up about 80% of the time.
Have you tried the Military 2?
Six years on and the Police 4 Lightweight is getting a sprint run and the Military 2 finally arrived. Meanwhile, the Endura and smaller models desperately need a redesign to get the forward choil design you only get with the Police, and Para/Military models....and oddly the Byrd lineup.
My favorite knife (considering price) is the Cold Steel Code 4. I can open and close that knife with one hand, but I'm sure it is a bit harder than Spyderco knives.
My daily carry is always Cold Steel Recon 1 since it is the best edc pound for pound medium folder for the price. For a hundred bucks new my Recon 1 bowie version has the best ergos, most user friendly scales, perfect size, strongest tightest lock, best workmanship & overbuilt like a tank, 4" blade, multiple styles, awesome looks, and the fact that I wouldn't change anything. It's perfect and 300 dollars cheaper than some other high end knives I wouldn't want any way. Tip up or down and titanium what ever is totally meaningless. I also edc quality Automatics.
I have no craving to flick, Fidget, fast shutty or any other goofy knife game made up by bored suburbanite dorks. My knives are cool and boss once I'm actually doing some cutting like field dressing a White tail Buck. I oil and sharpen every night because of the 10-20 times a day I nut
I like tip up until the knife gets larger like the millie and my thumb doesn't reach the ghumb hole when I grab it, like the millie and Endura, then I prefer tip down. I carry the Delica and Para 2 the most.
I like tip down. Not many do. I like spiderco , but I like my hand on the hole when I pull it out. I use the spider drop alot too.
I just got a police 4 lightweight and it is all I carry now it used to be my endura. The p4 to me is better in every aspect. I can close the p4 one handed easy. I quit carrying liner locks or frame Locks because of failures and I have cut myself more time's with those.
Blades We Love does great stuff. I was hoping to see you go 1 handed on the compression lock. As a southpaw I've been sad that Spyderco has gone from ambidextrous designs to a lock mechanism clearly designed for right handers on their latest models. That’s why the Manix is the last great classic Spyderco for me.
slidetek partially why I like benchmade a tiny bit more, lefty friendly. There IS a lefty pm2 but there's no custom scales for it really
I'm not a lefty but I have no problem closing my pm2 with my left hand one handed using my thumb and letting the choil land on my index finger, like closing a lockback
Does any one know how much spyderco charges to replace a blade .
I think i prefer tip up it's evolved over the years because my first spyderco police was tip down only. And have a very happy birthday bird mine is tomorrow!
awesome, Have a happy birthday Sunday!
Tip up. Back locks are one handers if they're in the middle. They just don't flick too well.
Late to the party, but I prefer tip down, except for flippers. Having the opener on the other end of the knife when I pull it out of my pocket just makes no sense to me.
Used to only carry tip-down growing up (Cheap Knives like Tac-Force), finally paid a good amount of money for tip up (First was a Kershaw Launch), never will carry tip-up again. I get a better grip and I find it easier to pull the knife out of the pocket.
I powder coated my aluminum 940, but I love my knife works exclusive 940 G10 and cpm20sv steel
Tip up except the Kershaw Leek. Leek sticks out of pocket too much tip up. I need to get an aftermarket deep carry clip to fix the issue.
heard this complaint before, yep
In Australia tip down is tip up. Love the Millie, especially the frame lock version.
lol awesome Tony :D
Good video. I have both. This is why I don't carry them. I wear gym shorts nearly all the time. Retired. My usual edc is a plain edge, used, all stainless Endura. I even take the clip off and carry in shorts/trunks. Have multiples of Enduras in different configurations. A couple in sheaths near the door. A couple in the car under the mats. However, I have a stainless police model in the brief case. If an item is too bulky or heavy, I wouldn't carry it until shtf or I had an idea that bad things were imminent.
thanks bd C!
wow you guys have a lot of nice spydercos! b tw that cheap steel (8cr13mov) is fairly corrosion resistant. I tired to force a patina on mine using all sorts of acidic stuff... an orange, mustard, etc. Not a mark on it.
It does need more sharpening, but.... it's not bad.
But I prefer vg10 or s30v...
thanks for watching
is that a k390 police?
As a rule I prefer tip down. The reason being I am anything but tactical, I catch fish and I drink beer. It's more natural for me to pinch the top of the handle between my thumb and index finger on the pivot and pull. I've got a pretty large hand, so grabbing a knife handle in my pocket doesn't really happen. The only exception is my PM2. The top of the knife is too wide for me to reach in my pocket in tip down configuration.
I do feel honored
Tip up, especially with Spyderco's. The blade is just so intrusive in the pocket tip down. My pinky finger gets stuck on the spydy hole ramp.
oh hey look its my top 2 favorite spyderco's! which i also do not carry anymore either...
i wouldnt sell either of the framelock miliies
id keep both of the police models
id sell an endura or delica before either police or military because i like it big...
i think im trying to buy that plain edge police off of you guys since mine was serrated and i gave mine away
i totally get it though. WHY ISNT THE MILITARY TIP UP or the paramiltary 4in?!?!? lol i say this a lot
my coworker just got a kershaw leek as his first knife but he also wears tighty whiteys and pulls his pants down to his ankles and lifts his shirt up when he pees...and he eats spagetti like 4 times i week. he just got employee of the month
I prefer tip down I've never used tip up might try it
Tip do we n carry is ideal for the large folders like the Police3
fair enough, thanks for watching Marlon!
Well, you didn't post a poll, so... I prefer tip up, but carry one particular knife tip down because of the clip configuration and the way it fits my pocket. I have to say though, when I was much, much younger, I prefered tip in... just saying 🙄
If you'll look at the video again Bubba. You will see an "i" in the upper right hand corner. Click on it, and the Poll will come up for you.
The para military is literally the quintessential EDC KNIFE IT IS ALL AROUND PERFECT FOR THAT STATUS ID EVEN GO AS FAR AS SAYING IT CAN AND DOES FIT WITH AN OPERATIVE beautifully, the compression lock is one of the strongest lockups in the game. Bar non the blade holds and edge takes a beating with a smile and well it looks fantastic for what it is, food prep is superb because of that high flat grind it slices like a dream. Hard to come against the PM2 I respect your individuality tho cheers
have you seen the wise guy signet ring mods for endura, and delica? looks gnarly on a civillian. instant folding kerambit out of your trusty spyderco
I've carried tip down for YEARS.
that said, my Griptilian 551 and 940 Osborne are forever stuck in tip up...
I studied Ton-Jutsu and so I do factor the defensive tool option when I carry a knife, but also ease factor. The knife that really set me in stone for tip down carry is my Kershaw Blur. The way that it is setup, I carry it in my rear right pocket and can draw it rapidly, in a usable grip with rapid ease. The Benchmade 940 was my first tip up knife and it took some practice to get used to that setup in my front pocket. Now I can do it, and I've practiced it, but I don't like it the way I do tip down. All of the comments about comfort or reaching into the pocket for other stuff, I can't say much because I always remove the knife before going for other things. Safety wise, I've never had a blade come open tip down. That said I have a scar and several trousers with destroyed pockets from tip up and blades swinging open... it's a real thing and not fun to deal with.
That's all I've got.
I am obsessed with carrying my Delica 4 with tip down. Idk what it is but I’m in the minority😂.
My son and I haven spoken since he came out and decided he preferred tip down.
Send the green one across the pond to Patty !
Thomas Osteen Patty is short for Patricia lol you mean Paddy 😉
I prefer tip up, but don't really mind tip down. I just make sure to carry tip down in my left pocket. Don't like the blade side on the inside if you know what I mean.
yep, understood