The Maruti Suzuki We Deserve…
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- There was a time we all HAD to have a Maruti Suzuki. Today? Everyone must have an opinion on it, but not necessarily a Maruti Suzuki car. How did the Indian market leader find itself on the back foot? Can it find its cool quotient again? The answers are not simple.
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Man, I really miss the Kizashi. That was one heck of a car, especially at it's price point.
Yeah! The Kizashi was a wonderful car!
As roads in India are currently, a decent safe car and little expensive can be a way to go.
As always well edited video. Kudos to the editors behind.
See ya
Thank you so very much!
4 and 5 star cars are better to have at any budget.
The way automotive content should have been presented. Hats off to MotorInc team for this initiative.❤
Thanks a ton
When it comes to Maruti Suzuki, we have the following 2 options:
1) Either get a decently powerful car at the cost of safety. Eg: Swift(1.2 K series) , Baleno RS/Upcoming Fronx (with 1.0 L turbo petrol) .
2) Or get a safer car with a boring engine. Eg- Brezza/GV with the anaemic 1.5 NA engine.
But you know what, I still expect from Maruti because they did the mistake sometime back when they launched the S-Cross with 1.6 MJD. I think we deserve more such cars from Maruti Suzuki.
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I think all the buyers who make decision based on crash test safety ratings should ask themselves do I drive at 60 - 65 kmph all the time ? because this is the speed at which crash tests are done. I think more attention should be given to active safety features which would prevent us from being in an accident in the first place rather than just relying on crash test which is a passive safety feature which I think would not be as effective as the crash test suggests since the speed at which mishaps happens are way above the speeds at which these crash tests are done.
On point! We need to be more conscious and active to maintain safety. Thanks Ravi!
This is what we need more! Good case studies and a strategic view towards the future of automotive market. Loved this format.
And i like the idea of not adding any distracting background, focus is on the words, not the video.
Awesome! Thank you! How would you suggest we improve this format further?
I guess then TATA, Renautl, Nissan have cracked the formula to produce a GNCAP 4/5⭐️ capable cars and offer at an entry level price point for the masses.
In many aspects I feel Suzuki-Maruti is like Apple, they did revolutionary things in the past to which they still manage to milk it, update only when pressured (not by the customers), & expensive (Maruti-Suzuki still manages to sell at a higher price compared to competitors and their offerings in-terms of Technology/Steering/Material
Price is still comparable to others, except brezza,
And Tata, Renault are on a long way to build engines refined as MS which are also a he*k of of RELIABLE
Renault cars are safe really
@@arciful Kiger and Triber scored 4 stars in Global NCAP. So they are safe. They won't like to keep themselves behind in safety.
@@minecraftanimator8718 Even though you still criticise their engines for not so great refinement, let me tell you Tata Motors have made the engines more refined. Although I haven't the Triber in BS6 phase 2 guise, so I can't tell whether there has been any improvement or not. All I can say the petrol engines of Tata and Renault are very capable.
@@taranshupattnaiktp3335 got that but engine refinement snd there service network they are nowhere .
I might be wrong, but I find Maruti-Suzuki to be in similar place, like Nokia was 12 years ago. We all know what happened to Nokia, when they refused to adopt and change witht he wind of changes.... They are trying to Push Hybrid-Cars and others are taking leap for EVs.... It will break my heart if Maruti-Suzuki met the same faith as Nokia
Good point! We don’t think the situation is that dire but it’s certainly not in the best of places right now
The should make their cars less expensive and safe because it will lead to the improvement in the gene pool 🤣 (comment inspired by shumi)
He's clearly a dangerously accurate inspirer, then 🤣
It's got a bigger engine which has more tax. Ask the government.
The content of the video is excellent. But it feels over-produced, exaggerated, and overly edited. The atmosphere feels like mental asylum rather than a casual discussion on the topics we love. High-frequency music hurt my ears while I was concentrating on the words. That's the problem, I have to concentrate on the words to understand. Sorry to say that but it doesn't have that feeling that we are used to with Kartikay and Shumi.
Whenever I see your thumbnail on youtube, I usually don't click on it because it gives me that depressing vibe that I mentioned above. And also I think whatever info or knowledge I got from this video can be stated in less time.
Sorry, but this is my honest feedback.
Honesty is always welcome PTD!
It looks like our style isn't fitting your expectation. Would you watch a few more content pieces and let us know how you feel? We're trying new things too and some will work, and others won't. We take and incorporate feedback as a regular part of the content design. However, we also know that we all have limits. When we cross yours -- the asylum feeling doesn't go and the music grates -- feel free to watch whoever's content you find more to your taste.
Wasting your time is certainly not on our agenda.
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If improving a platform is an expensive then Suzuki should improve their driving dynamics to the level of Volkswagen or ford. I guess it doesn't cost them much but doing so would definitely gives better results as probability of crashes get minimise.
It does cost. More importantly, as Kartikeya said it takes a lot of time to make significant changes to/fully refresh a platform. But we don’t believe there’s a dynamics issue across the Maruti range. They certainly don’t feel like the VW/Ford cars but there’s a gap between feelings and actual mechanical reality.
But yes, MS can certainly do more.
To be honest, even a young mind would opt for a Maruti Suzuki if they start improving their overall built quality and structural rigidity. They have many positive points in their kitty like a wide-spread sales and service network and efficient engines, just add safety to the list and the tables might turn in favour of Maruti.
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Given their sales figures, it will be interesting to know the age demographics of the buyers. Like how they started nexa, they should bring in aspects of performance and safety within the nexa umbrella. Rest of the cars can be for folks who prefer fuel efficient compact cars for city driving. Don't see that changing anytime in the near future...
Exactly! We hope they can better utilise Nexa- two different brands to deal with two different needs.
Maruti should move away from the idea that populous countries don't need safer cars. Atleast Nexa cars should be euro spec. The demand for safer cars only propels this idea further.
Nexa being of a much higher base safety spec certainly makes sense to us
I think both are needed. Accessible cars that are iffy on safety and robust cars that can be a bit more expensive.
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Exactly what I've always wanted!
Indian Auto Journalists voicing their opinions without the fear of "Next time review ke liye ye gaadi nahi denge!"
Someone has to point things out.
They are no longer cheap like they used to. I mean nothing is but as Indians we expect Maruti to have our backs.
And they aren't safest either.
Maruti needs to up their game.
Glad to have you here! We have one more thought coming your way soon. Please stay tuned!
Love the minimalist look,♥️, create more content on ADV motorcycles plz
Thanks! Will do!
Safety tests need to be made standardised and mandatory. A top end Scorpio N with 6 airbags scores 5 stars while a Swift which Maruti hasn't sent to Global NCAP (good reason to assume it was the base model) scores 0. The new Brezza, the Grand Vitara not tested for the fear of scoring high while the Harrier and the Safari not tested for the fear of scoring low. All this manipulation needs to stop.
Also, there's so much that contributes to safety than crash tests alone. The dynamic ability of the chassis (moose tests maybe?), emergency braking systems, driver lane departure alerts, driver drowsiness alerts, ABS, EBD and so much more. Weightage needs to be given to these crash avoidance technologies. Stuff that prevent cars from crashing in the first place.
Well the Indian safety tests - crash tests included - are standardised and mandatory. The global NCAP tests at a higher speed and this is being discussed in india in terms of raising our speed from 55 to 64 as well. In that sense, there’s no manipulation. Everything on sale in india is tested and sold after it’s passed the Indian tests.
Your point about crash avoidance equipment being crucial is absolutely spot on. One issue is that the weightage right now is at presence/absence rather than qualitative. Second is, the more we add as standard equipment the further the prices will rise.
Where can we get the Indian crash test results? Is it a binary pass or fail result for homologation purposes or do they give stars like Global NCAP does? More can be done to increase the visibility of these Indian tests and you guys can play a pivotal role there, no?
Wrt crash avoidance technologies, it can be made mandatory for all manufacturers to offer them at the highest end model. Let the consumers decide as per their priority and wallet size. This includes motorcycles as well. Make optional dual channel ABS mandatory for all motorcycles and scooters, including EVs. Those who want it, can pay extra and have it.
The top model idea is a good one!
The tests as far as we can tell are binary. There’s no qualitative side to it. But let us dig a little deeper. Would you also? If you find something, post it here please?
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Its all well and good to want a car with 7 or more airbags and ADAS that can detect a dog crossing into your lane at 100m, but those systems cost a significant amount for both parties. Maruti as you said knows the Indian market and knows despite luxury brands making their home in India, it is still a very price sensitive market.
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The detailed content and a subtle presentation. The reason I love you guys... 😍 And agree with you, I remember 20-21 years ago, when were kids, around 6-7 years old, Maruti was a synonym of cars. That uncle in neighborhood bought Maruti, that relative bought Maruti. And now, their children doesn't want that brand.
Why do you think that is? What’s changed in the younger buyer’s mindset?
@@motorinc so many things. Most of them Kartikeya already said in the video. And most importantly they lost their charm. They are reliable but not charming enough, and also not exciting. They're Jack of all, master of none.
When it comes to safety there are a few options available but when it comes to economy and fuel efficiency mainly there's only Maruti Suzuki.
In my opinion it's better to drive a Maruti Suzuki than riding a motorcycle.
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Price can't possibly be compared with the concept of safety. Safety is of the utmost importance whenever one decides on getting anything. Financial aspect is a one time aspect. Safety is a long run must. Safety is always what one should see while making a decision. And this is valid for both the company and the consumer.
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Mr. Bhargava said that “We are making card which are safer than motorcycles”, thats what even you said and thats what Maruti still agrees what their cars are aimed at, so the point of making affordable cars still stands for Maruti. Building an image for more premium market leading cars would not make sense here since the target audience is different there. However, with Gen3/4 car buyers, that image shift is needed but straddling on two markets will be tough for Maruti
We agree. Creating a more premium image has definitely been a challenge for Maruti Suzuki for a while now.
This video's editing style, his costume and the white room is inducing a panic attack for me. You should definitely put out a "trigger" warning next time.
A panic attack? Why?
maruti cars SHOULD HAVE metal thickness as much as of mahindra's. PERIOD!!!
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Very well said. But I disagree with the fact that including more safety is more costly. Tata tiago and punch offer better safety than more expensive and other maruti cars in same range.
Just for clarity: if we were to ask you to quantify your perspective - why do you think Tata makes safer cars… how would you answer?
@@motorinc This is going to be a long answer. See, first of all that is their USP, secondly Tata as a brand we know gives great product in every sector and thrives for excellence. Third is Jaguar and Land Rover DNA in Tata cars, collaboration between these companies. Fourth Tata sources its Steel from its own companies.
Now looking at the mindset of us millennials, I can say about 50% of us will only buy safe cars, of them 30% also look for great build quality as well. Rest will gradually understand after some years. For example me and my friends all own a car. Despite me trying to help one of my friends decide which car to buy, safety and all that he ended up buying swift desire which by the way is neither safe nor has good build quality. Soon after in a small accident he realised whatever i had told him earlier about safety and build quality as just by getting hit by a van the front of swift was half destroyed, so the next time he buys a car he will have this in mind and would opt for a better built and safe car.
@@motorinc And maruti suzuki being the market leader has the funds to make changes by investing in safety of its cars. Even the so called so reliable engines are built by Fiat!!!
To innovation ke naam pe 0. If maruti doesn't keep up with the safety and build quality standards in 10 years its market share would reduce to 20%, at least thats what i think.
Ah yes, just before the video started i predicted, it will zoom right into karthik's skin pores, he will lift his eyebrows way too much and it will be like a psych ward session than a car subject. Well-done.
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Please do feel free to not watch our content. Your opinion is important. Your feedback is noted. But disrespect isn’t welcome here.
So on point!
Anyone up for a petition to request the production/editing team to create a masterclass on video production? I'd be the first one to join. Take my money already.🔥
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Intrigiung and thought provoking Kartikeya, good one.
There is no straight answer to this.
On one side having a family of 3-4 move from two to four wheels asap is the biggest jump in safety that will happen the moment they buy the Alto/S-Presso/wagonR on the other hand having the Swift/Baleno not performing on the safety front is also not done.
I have a feeling, like you said, things will move slowly and 4-5 years is a reasonable time for that to happen.
Having a holistic solution involving the manufacturers, government/MoRTH, dealers and customers would make things faster and better.
That last part is happening slowly for sure. The issue really is that the "not performing on the safety front" is more marketing/communication than real when you start digging. Could Maruti do better? Yes, for sure. Are they doing terrible things? We're not sure it's that bad
I dont know if Maruthi Suzuki is gonna innovate, but I find the editting and the pitch of this video to be completely innovative 😄❤️👍
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Hi there. This is an off-the-topic comment, please make a podcast to let us know what it takes to be an excellent automotive journalist. Thanks.
Can do!
Safer car should be the way forward even if it increases price. Instead of putting fancy features (heads up display, auto climate etc.), Car maker should focus on build quality with respect to safety.
In a country where far less safe modes of transport are used by _large_ numbers of people, we wish the line of what’s right was that clear TBH. There are logical and persuasive arguments on both sides.
@@motorinc Absolutely agree with your point that we have far less safe modes of transportation. Tata tried to give us Nano (an excellent small commuter) but we didn't accept it. Rather than smaller affordable car I would dream for more public mode of transportation running of renewable source. This will also minimize the burden on roads.
Yes. Spot on! We will def solve more with better public transport!
Didn't think I'd ever say this, but this video is edited way beyond what it needed to be. So much so infact it takes me out of what Kartikeya is trying to say. I think I get the futuristic aesthetic you guys are going for, but perhaps maybe mellow it down a little.
Thanks for sharing your feedback Gaurav! Appreciate it.
Loved the theme and the presentation and the editing.
Just one small thing- if you could be a little faster in your speech that'll be great. The pauses seemed a bit too long.
But expecting some amazing content from you and the team... Keep up the good work! 👍🏻
Thanks for being here and for sharing the suggestions! Appreciate it!
Kartikaeya : india is young , dynamic and vibrant market .
RCbhargava : i am not .😂
Yup. They are not the same, bro.
Watching this brought back repressed memories. Why pay a psychologist for sessions, we could just watch this video.
Jokes apart, love you both, but the effects are way too much.
As long as it helped 😆
F man, your videos are just just so profesional. No other channel is 1% of the professionalism you guys give.
Expensive cars for few people is the way to go. Because in india people's attitude to driving is very casual, do din open field me chala k road pe chale aayenge sasure....fir idhar udhar maarte firenge. For now cars should be hella expensive so that people realise that they have A RESPONSIBNILITY when they are on roads.
So you’ll get cars when you show you’ll be responsible with them. It’s a good perspective. It’s almost EXACTLY what the licensing system is supposed to achieve
@@motorinc The most sad bit is; that " supposed to", doesn't work like it should and furthermore people aren't interested in being better drivers.
A decent car with an affordable price is always better for a country like us. ABS and airbags should always be compulsory.
They are!
Damn! This is automotive journalism on another level! 😳
Thank you very much! Welcome to the MotorInc experience!
Very, very nicely done!
Thank you very much!
the reality is that if you remove Tata from the perspective literally within 10 lacs budget you have literally No Safe car! (exclude base models). show me a Single alternative which would be Reliable! nothing! Honda used to have Jazz, WRV under this budget! Nobody wants sedans like Amaze now. but they are forced to.
Kiger is an option but the suspension and comfort are two questions too. Service centers in rural areas are missing! maruti and hyundai are there .
I am seeking to buy a car under 10-12 lacs which will be Safe, Reliable and easy on pocket! Safe cars are not reliable, reliable cars ain't that safe!
You can get the Skoda Slavia 1.0 active model.
This is a video I have been looking for. I always crtitcise Maruti Suzuki for poor safety. The heartect platform they have used for making smaller vehicles have lost the sense of solidity and feels very light. It is something I already know very well in cars like Alto, WagonR, S-Presso, Ertiga, XL6, Ignis, Baleno, Dzire which have grown up in size and overall feels practical, they have lost the solidity for efficiency, and I feel bad for those going for one and later realize these cars have lacklustre build quality.
And it's shame they don't even send their cars to Global NCAP which I always trust on them.
That agency has another way to crash test their cars by randomly selecting and purchasing it.
We also feel that GNCAP should test all Marutis. Would be great for Indian consumers.
You should give a name to this series and make more such videos. Great work
It’s there. Let’s see if you can spot the name of this series 😆
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I have some opinions on this - When targets need to be met very few will chase the risk, with less enthusiasts working very few will know what is it to own a desirable car, and when a cash cow is being milked very few would want to make cheese out of it and then pay labour and VAT on top of it...
Yes. The balance between numbers people and enthusiasts in every indian manufacturer is definitely off.
@@motorinc also with 9% decline in market share, the sales team - the very very strong sales team would be asking for more run off the mill products that they can sell more easily, than to compete with other manufacturers in a segment where enquiry to sales TAT would be higher.... So I am not expecting any innovation there...
It might just be me but as an audience, i don't the speaker of this video much. Feels like he is more focused on how to act n speak rather than trying to convey the message n be a little more natural. It just does not feel original. Kudos to the editors n sound etc tho. Keep growing
It's probably just you -- just see the comment stream -- but feedback noted. Thanks Sourav!
next time you guys interview any 2 wheeler manufacturer ask them why they are not giving dual channel abs to all bikes at least as optional? please ask the hard questions
We have. Repeatedly. The answer is always the same -- as long as there is a loophole that reduces prices (indirect reference to increased sales), there will be single-channel ABS bikes.
I hope you have dedicated a Monologue on Jimny coming up... I was waiting till the end of the video for a mention... though I think Jimny is capable of outnumbering whole Mahindra SUV range post it's launch... Im a proud owner of 2nd Gen jimny, lovingly known in india as Gypsy but 4th Gen Jimny is what we have all been waiting for.. .got a glimpse of it in person at AutoExpo in Feb 2020 and can't wait for the reveal of the 5 Door in the upcoming week!!!
Idea noted! Thank you!
2 cars traveling at 60 kmph head on makes the RELATIVE speed at 120 KMPH
Crash tests need to be done at 120 kmph at least
Logically that makes sense. But if cars had to be built for 120kmph crashes? We would guess that prices would rise to the point where half the current buyers wouldn't be able to afford them in the first place
@@motorinc Why Conduct Crash Tests then in first place??
Because most crashes happen in the city, not on the highway. At lower speeds. So a 55/64kmph crash test doesn’t represent a big crash but a lot of common crashes.
Content being awesome kept aside, Man this Videocrafting is just on fire. It’s beautiful and i wanna see more of this work
Apart from making it expensive, increasing weight decreases mileage which is their USP?
Yes. This is probably true as well.
The question one should ask is “why Suzuki/Toyota is introducing a 20 year old technology in India today?
Globally, sales of hybrid cars are dropping, the technology is old and outdated.
What's the point Arun? You never answer any of our replies.💔
@@motorinc please check. I have responded to all your replies
Simple and elegant 👌
Thank you! Cheers!
Top notch editing and overall presentation.
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A very well-curated and executed content 👍🏻
Why does this channel have these few subscribers 🙄
This video and the editing. Bonkers!! Well done. And the view is presented wonderfully by KS.
I understand standardising safety and economy is important. But what about the fun part? Easy accessible fun cars are missing.
Future seems boring 💀😅
I will still go for 2012 ford figo 1.5 or a cedia and the legendary g16b motor powering Baleno.
I drive a 2002 type2 1.5 exi and it has a soul. That's how i'll describe it. 😅
Ohhh! Yeahhh!! You had us at G16B! Very very envious. Ahem. Just asking, which city are your cars living in? 😜
What I feel is that Maruti was best in those time (beginning) is because the PEOPLE were genuinely looking for something different than the fiat and ambassador (which were the only options that time, and the Mercedes Benz had a totally different class of consumers).
So its the PEOPLE who made it a hit as they felt it very appealing, the looks and the sophistication of engine etc.
This response of the sales laid Maruti to get into the comfort zone thinking that nothing will come closer for decades.
Eventually other brands took over and rest is history.
(Same happened when kinetic Honda was launched which made the people go mad in the era of bajaj and LML scooters but it's a different story).
Thanks for sharing what you think! Let’s hope they surprise us though!
I think it’s high time for Maruti-still Suzuki to get back in the race. They have delivered great cars in the past but currently their ability towards building strong and firm cars in India and for India is questionable. I really don’t get their logic of not sending their car for a Global NCap when all their rivals are enthusiastically sending to get not less than a 4 ⭐️ rating. Of course safety is the top priority for Indians too and why MSuzuki is not considering using high quality materials while building. Next comes all these flashy features which gets revamped every 3 years once. They have to change their philosophy to gain trust and thrive. As a company they have to invest in R&D to come up with new concepts and design rather than copying. We, Indians require a safe car not a tin with Flashy features.
Hi Darshan! I think they don’t just need to get back in the race - they need to lead. GNCAP - as they have stated is a private body - and it’s supporters are airbag makers - a conflict that Maruti has raised in the past. Hope that helps! We really hope to see Maruti charge harder through the Nexa arm too. We should see more European platforms and hi-tech from the collaboration with Toyota come through too. Thanks for writing in.
Hate is a big word, a strong one.
I might hate Maruti's offering from safety perspective on paper. But the question is does that really matter.
We are a price sensitive buyer's market and big companies have proven wrong time and time again over here, and that is also because most buyers dont have deep pockets. Maruti by giving people opportunity to live their dream and aspire even more deserves much more respect.
What i think drives suzuki to do this is mostly to save weight, cut costs, increase fuel economy. Engines are optimised prioritising economy over everything. Implies lower comfortable sleeps. Hence, They assume more than average miles are racked up on roads sub par and low crusing speeds.
Opinions?
We shouldn't be afraid of strong words. There's a reason they exist and they're powerful tools to drive change for the better.
The wider perspective is very clear. However you un/safe you think an economy car (from any brand at all) is, it's still going to safer than a two-wheeler. And while the better off urbane citizen can (and should) demand better safety, the larger population's step up in safety is to escape the two-wheeler and get into a car.
On the flip side, the accident data (2021, MoRTH) is clear. Indian drivers drive badly and the best accident is the one you never have... which will do more for safety than adding x airbags. However, adding airbags is easy, teaching people to drive is not. And that's why we are where we are.
But we are moving, and forward.
1:40 I’ll untick the Eggs in the list too. Vegetarian 🤟🏼😅
Kartik and you can share shopping lists!
Hey, the audio is not in sync with the video. You should have a look at it.
Would you please check your connection/device? It’s running fine on our phones and desktops
If Maruti comes up with better drive quality and proper safety that becomes a normal. Raising standards.
And i believe only Maruti can bring a massive change that can spark a fire for others to get more competitive in terns of build quality,safety and driving satisfaction.
Absolutely! They could and should!
Heyy i love you guys but a few pointers on your videos
1. Background is light colour and you're wearing white color t shirt this looks weird, if you want to keep a minimal aesthetic it's great add a bit of contrast(maybe a light blue or pink t shirt) so that video pulls me in. it feels like I'm in heaven and I'm looking for Angels not a hairy dude there 😝
2. It got a bit confusing while you were explaining the testing controversy.
3. The editing with to many sharp edits it looks good a 1 or two times otherwise it distracts from what you're explaining.
In short i like cars and bikes but i follow them here and there and i feel most people would be + -20% from my situation so with editing and writing if you could slow things a bit(maybe a 10-12 min video then) which you do in podcast where I'm looking for more 😅
Anyway i do enjoy your content and have learned a lot from you guys so keep up the great work!!
Thanks for the feedback Chaitanya! Glad you’re enjoying most of MotorInc 😊
Maruti / Suzuki, or, whatever you want to call them, have the capability and resources to make their Indian Cars safer and yet have them priced properly, why they suffer from inertia, is something they can answer best; meanwhile a lot of first time and second time buyers, whom I know personally, have kept safety in mind and not visited any of those 2k sales points of the Japanese giant and instead gone to an Indian or Korean owned one.
A three or four star safety rating irrespective of the NCAP test format, they got it from, is better than a zero star rated Indo-Japanese Tin Can.
The Japanese have a serious issue, which their top brass has been handling with exceptionally irresponsible and borderline vulgar humourish statements about safety.
Vast majority of fellow Indians are a lot of things, but, not dumb anymore.
We aren’t dumb anymore is spot on. And getting smarter everyday, even if we aren’t able to say it in as many words
I was thinking why 64 kmph? is it because people drive at 80 and on emergency braking they will hit the brakes and crash at 64 probably?
It's a decent guess but let us dig into that and see what we find
Even at 2x speed this feels slow. This guy talks slower than an entry level Maruti.
The editing is giving Assassin's Creed vibes ❤️
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They should start making safer cars as any commodity (ABS systems, airbags, higher strength steel, electronic aid etc) when produced in large enough numbers become cheaper due to economies of scale kicking in. If they don't do this step willingly now, they just might have to do this when they will be forced either by regulations or by consumer preferences.
Thanks for sharing your viewpoint! 🙏🏾
What shumi said is what I have been saying for years. People say maruti Cars are unsafe while riding a activa to work (for 15 kms minimum) for everyday with any safety gear (especially in pune. Where I live). While having a non-maruti car in the parking and not using it because it isn't fuel efficient. No hate against any cars and maruti should make more safe cars but there are two sides to this coin.
Underrated comment.
For crash safety, the best solution is not to build tougher cars, but more intelligent cars. ADAS4.0 or above will be crash proof!
You're right. And how is a middle-income country going to afford ADAS4? Do you have a suggestion for that too?
@@motorinc ADAS is just silicon and software, which follows Moore’s law. So the price drops by 50% every 18 months thus making it universally affordable.
Just look at how smart phones took over. The same market dynamics applies to ADAS
I predict that by 2030, India will be a leading exporter of ADAS solutions, as we invest in semiconductor and we already have advanced software technology capability.
I don't like the idea that maruti is making cars lighter and lighter for every new car version, i also think that maruti should use better grade stronger steel to make their cars, to be more safer and durable. Why people are branding maruti cars as tin cars, something to think about, i would rather buy an relatively expensive car for its durable quality rather than buying "tin ka dabba" for cheaper price.
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Thanks KM. But we do suspect that assuming that a certain body panel's sound/feel tells you how strong a car is (or is not?) it's more social media expertise than actual engineering. We do suggest that you don't carried away by the hype.
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Sir this type of videos are so common, shot by common man, and the sheet metal that maruti uses are very thin types, i witnessed it myself.
Which doesn't make it wrong... but it's skin and the structure that makes a car safer _is not_ it's skin!
🙂 in the video link above, why maruti Swift suffered heavy damage while the other car only got a minor dent, I am not able to digest it sir 🙂. Be it sheet metal covering or the chassis frame, something is amiss with maruti quality, and one more question that can be asked is" why maruti aren't sending their cars for crash rating? Only two cars they had sent for crash test. The remaining cars in maruti lineup what about them? Are they trying to hide their subpar quality of their mileage oriented cars?
These r the questions troubling the mass people regarding maruti. I hope maruti do something about it very soon 🙂
KM think about it like this. Let's say a car is a matchbox with people inside, ok? When it is a crash, let's say the accident creates 100 units of energy that need to be dealt with, ok? You have a choice. Either the matchbox destroys itself taking as much of that energy as possible so that the people inside don't have the deal with it. Or the matchbox looks amazing but since it passed on the job of absorbing the energy, everyone inside the box had to deal with the crash forces and are therefore injured or dying. What's a preferable outcome?
Do also remember that Global NCAP is not _mandatory_ so Maruti is well within their rights to send cars for testing or not. They _do_ meet the Indian crash test norms.
Can Marutis be better? Yes of course. But them looking worse after an accident is _actually good for the people inside the car!_
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I don't understand this logic of comparing 2 wheeler buyers with Entry level car buyers
Most of the 2 wheelers cost around 1 lakh on road and in India people buy it with finance
Where as the cheapest car cost around no less than 4.5 lakh on road
It is a real stupidity to assume people who buy a 2 wheeler on finance can afford an entry level car which is 4 to 5 time more expensive to buy and almost 30 to 40 times more expensive to operate (petrol + insurance + servicing) than a two wheeler
This logic of 2 wheeler owners upgrading to a entry level 4 wheeler is a gimmick created by companies like Maruti Suzuki
For most of the two wheeler owners in India owning a 4 wheeler is simply out of reach
2 wheeler owners can't just afford to multiply their budget for a entry level car
And those very few can multiply their budget for a 5 lakh entry level car can also increase it by 50k for a safer option
This whole idea of two wheeler owners upgrading to 4 wheeler is a total non sense
Well at some point he will go from a two to a 4 wheeler right? The distance in between the two steps of that journey is what is really in question. Can it be made shorter? And if it’s longer - how much longer is okay? Hope that helps. What do you think Dhiraj?
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That's true
But it is true for even a bicycle owner as well isn't it , he or she will grow one day and own a 2 wheeler and if the growth continues will own a 4 Wheeler in future
But again we just can't consider them as potential buyer as yet (the upward income mobility is quite difficult in India)
My personal opinion if somebody can save his way to own a entry level (unsafe) Maruti can also wait for couple of months/ take more loan and buy a good 4 star Tiago as well
The reason I say so is look at the infrastructure that is being created
We have roads which are world class (speed upto 120 kmph) allowing unsafe cars to ply on such highways is criminal
Wrt to your point I think if we really want to promote car ownership then the govt should carve out a different segment of small cars with restricted specifications which should only b allowed in cities with limited speed (Ex. Kie cars in Japan )
While the Kei car idea has great benefits… we don’t think it will work here until we can separate our status from the car at a very basic level. What we drive signals our status today and it’s part of the value equation. We’d have to be a lot richer and a lot more used to having cars around in the family for that to happen
@@dhirajdhote7993 We've had a Tata Tiago for 2.5 years, and I would never recommend anyone buy a Tata vehicle again.
1. After 2500 km, every time I start the engine, it feels like I'm starting a tractor. The cabin vibrates as if there’s a mini earthquake. I've found that many other customers experience the same issue.
2. The AC is highly inconsistent-sometimes it feels like I'm in freezing Ladakh, while other times it’s as if I’m in the scorching desert. I've tried getting it fixed multiple times, but I’m always left disappointed.
3. My family went on a trip to Sikkim and experienced engine failure after just 290-300 km from Gorakhpur. Although we had RSA, the nearest service station in Patna refused to assist. We ended up having to tow the car there, where they identified an engine locking issue. It took them almost a full day to fix it, but after covering only another 60 km, the problem resurfaced. This issue persisted, forcing my family to cancel their trip.
4. The automatic gate lock is also problematic for reasons I still don't understand.
5. In 2023, we decided to sell the car. We bought a Baleno, and we couldn't be happier. We've driven 9600 km without any issues.
Hi Karthikeya bro. U are one of my favourite automobile journalists. Discovered this channel today.
Thank you for being here with us! KS is a regular. Just saying.
Great editing and intelligent case study
Well hello! Glad to have you here!
Why all the quick cuts and zoom ins? Anyway, the bar for Maruti to be 'cool' was ridiculously low back when it started selling cars here. Maruti = Majboori for anyone who wanted four wheel transportation that worked. That isn't so now and it is the market leader because of relaxed norms that allows it to sell a bunch of its cars.
Their attempts to look cool through motorsport failed too because they couldn't hack it. When Mahindra beat them in the 2014 Desert Storm, they changed the regulations to stop the XUV 500 from competing in that year's Dakshin Dare.
Then in the 2018 Desert Storm I had the immense pleasure to see every single Maruti entered car fail to make the finish.
Finally when Mahindra came back to cross country rallying in the 2018 Dakshin Dare, they murdered Maruti who was trying to do damage control by barring the media from mentioning Mahindra in daily reports.
After which Maruti promptly quit cross country rallying. Including sponsoring events where it tried its damdest to turn events into one make affairs.
Is it any wonder that such a car company made the comments it did when the latest Swift failed the global NCAP tests?
And lost its ability to inspire and excite?? When on earth did Maruti ever have that in the first place?? Being the only major car manufacturer doesn't automatically make you the coolest. They never were and most definitely aren't so now.
Not even in a 'price sensitive market' (translation = cheap buyers) like India.
I am sure Maruti will appreciate you handling them with kid gloves the way you did in this video.
Thanks for being here and sharing your thoughts Vinayak.
@@motorinc It's a rant. I always get triggered by the very mention of Maruti due to my experience of dealing with them.
This video felt like I'm tripping on LSD.
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That’s what it feels like huh? 😄
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Considering doing a video on the future of EVs in India as well. While the world believes EVs are future, Hybrids make much more sense in Indian context, and I think the general public needs to understand this. A deep dive by you guys officially would be brilliant.
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Hahaha. Seeing a lot of wordplay and puns these days, loving it.
Too much graphics is distracting, looks fancy but takes away the focus which you need to listen.
Feedback noted! Thank you
There is no compulsion to buy a Suzuki car just because they were pioneers few decades back..
Switch brands..Tata’s smallest car is pretty safe..Mahindra is making safer cars now..
So leave suzuki till the time they realise their responsibilities towards their customers…We have better cars in market now.. safetywise, lookswise, feature wise.. so
Absolutely. The customer always gets to vote with their money.
We should not lower our bars on safety and start comparing them with motorcycles, this mentality will not push innovation in direction of safety, all the manufacturers should be concerned about safety and all buyers should be adamant about safety, when a person from tire 2 or tire 3 city get a new car his first journey would be outside city and skipping a bus, he would still use a motorcycle to commute in the city
Fair point. But being adamant about safety - a very good goal to have - starts with our drivers and their driving. How do you think we should attack that while improving standards of equipment?
Would be good if you could put up a seizure warning at the beginning of the video.
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As a regular viewer of channel just want to give a bit of advice
Just make the pacing lill more faster I know it supposed to be calm and relax but just make it bit more faster
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Hey man, I really appreciate the script, but I feel like the editor went overboard with the effects. Impressive, yes, but they were also very distracting, and I found myself looking at the video and not listening to your words as you spoke.
Those words ring super true, tho!
First and foremost thanks and thanks! Glad to know the conversation connected with you, and for the feedback. 🙏🏾
The video editing works the best if it was a visual masterpiece. But as an informative video, it distracts a lot and breaks the connect.
Trying something new is always good, but sometimes you need to keep finding until you get something great. This is lacking.
Thank you for your feedback! 😆 noted!
Is the new baleno good??
Still not as good as Altroz. I have myself saw the car in real in the dealership. The door's weight is still little light but better than old baleno which felt very light.
See cars like Grand Vitara and Brezza haven't been crash tested right?? I think they will score well (3-4 stars maybe)... Love them or hate them, Maruti is still the market leader and if they launch a premium product (18-25 lakhs), the product will be of good quality....
Yes we would also love to see the Grand Vitara being tested by GNCAP. And yes, Maruti has a lot of clout and weight on their shoulders.
Well S cross was safe
Maruti has a reach and convince that takes years to build. Recent statements by their CXOs feel a little arrogant... They could have just said - yes safety is our concern and to make it available to the masses takes time (a new platform) instead of saying.. Ooo govt should do their part as well
Plus, More offerings like GV can shrug off their Non-Premium brand image.
What we understood from that meeting was - safer roads and safer drivers are key to improving safety. They say that the 55kmph crash test standard that India follows is adequate for our conditions. And the 64kmph test will make cars more expensive for masses. What do you think?
@@motorinc Yes, that's true as well. Training drivers for not using high beam would be a game changer
Training drivers. Period. Would be a game changer 😆
Do more videos on maruti suzuki cars
There's a lot in the pipeline.
watching at speed 1.5X
Haha! Stoked that you’ve saved your time! 😊
want to buy Baleno but seeing its built quality I will be going for Hyundai.
Well done, that’s the idea right - choose as you see fit! Congratulations on your new car!
Well strong hybrids are suited for India masses much more than EVs. Wish their cars become safer (gncap 4/5* with stable bodyshell)and I would blindly put my money on a maruti again
About building safer cars cost is not a problem rather intent IMHO. Tata has proved that. A tiago or altroz is right at the same ballpark of swift/baleno. If they can score 4/5* why not marutis? Features also are more or less similar. And same goes for hyundai/kia. It’s clearly evident how they skimp on basic bodyshell in order to increase profits and in turn jeopardise the safety. Same cars(from Hyundai/Kia) score 5* in other country models
Well the strange thing is that the structure of the car, as Kartikeya says in the video, isn’t an issue because the same shell scores well in, for instance, Japanese crash tests. The missing stars (esp in GNCAP) come from presence/absence level stars given for things like crash avoidance systems. Maruti cars do feel thinner skinned than the competition but all the crash tests point to them being skin - not functional in a crash in that sense
@@motorinc well for same test tatas and mahindras and now even skoda/vw cars score better. So definitely they are doing something better, isn’t it?
Oh yes. Not disputing the idea that Maruti could do better. If you think about it, we all could, even as individuals. The point we made is that with a shallow understanding of how crash test ratings work (a mix of actual crash and equipment) the difference between a 3- and 4- and a 5-star car can look larger than it is.
We need better roads first. Followed by inculcating a better driving culture. There's only so much a car manufacturer can do.
Agreed! We need to shoulder our responsibilities too. As the ones at the wheel, do we hold ourselves to the highest standards, like we do the cars? Great point. And the roads - given what they are - all the more reason for us to put our best foot forward. Right?
@@motorinc Indeed
Anybody else playing these videos @1.25x speed?
Haha!
The editing of this video was really creepy I would. say..
We need better roads!
True! But as depressing as it looks, the roads *have* gotten better over time.
Until Indians come out the mileage "Kitna dethi Hai" "kam peeta Hai" mindset and resale value as top priorities in their car buying checklist..
MS will shamelessly make n sell tin cans
What do you think we need for us as a society to break that mindset?
S cross is the best from their stable.
Thanks for sharing your perspective!