Optoma UHZ65 vs Sony VPL-VW285ES / VPL-VW385ES - 4K HDR Comparison
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- See side by side 4K video comparisons including HDR comparison of the new Sony VPL-VW385ES and VPL-VW285ES against the Optoma UHZ65 laser projector.
Also, be sure to visit our blog post here: bit.ly/2E6b8Ed to see higher resolution stills and more comparisons of these projectors!
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Ted Bollinger has been in the professional display and electronic imaging industry for over 40 years. He has worked with and consulted with most major manufacturers' engineering representatives of professional and consumer flat screen TVs and projectors. Has has been personally recognized internationally by the Matsushita family (of Matsushita Electric Industries - now Panasonic - and has been recognized nationally by many other companies. He is currently with TVS Pro and serves as the manager for professional display products. - Věda a technologie
Man, you save the honour of youtube. Perfect test. Thank You!
Glad you found it informative!
I am a ten 10 year videophile, and i appreciate it when i can still get great information and knowledge. Great video
We're glad you found it valuable!
this is the best review in the comparison between two projectors. planning to get Optoma UHZ65
Got my UDZ65 and I love it, it worth for the price,
santhosh Pereira does it do 16:9 vs cinema scope ???
I am wondering when is the next gen for UHZ?
Are you happy with your purchase
Yeah, I'm leaning towatds the Optima as well. Was first considering the UHD60, but now going to spend the extra money for the laser UHZ.
Will pay for itself in lamp replacements and provides a much better picture.
Every review of this projector is excellent that I've seen.
Hey Ted. Amazing videos as always. I was curious if you ever compared the Optoma UHZ65 next to the Epson 5040ub and if so what you liked better?
We have, and will be recording and publishing the results in the next couple of weeks. If you look at the stills at www.tvspecialists.com/vplvw385es-vs-uhz65-projector-comparison-1/ you will see the "almost blacks" or near blacks are not quite as good, however as soon as you go to slightly brighter scenes the actual contrast ivs very comparible. The key difference between the Sony and Epson is the actual 4K detail and we have now discovered why so many reviews have not discovered the real difference in 4K on the Epsons. If you do not need the 3D then it becomes a tradeoff between higher detail (not sharpness) on true native 4K content on the UHZ65 vs. the better near blacks on the Epson.
Amazing video. Very interesting and informative comparison. Excellent job.
UHZ65 amazing projector ! My next pj ...
Great work on the video!
Fantastic review well done
Thank you for this comparison. For a bright living room, would the UHZ65 do well with a Screen Innovations Black diamond screen? I currently have a Sony HW55ES (1700 lumens), so wondering how much brighter this one is in real world use. Is it almost 2x?
Yes, either a Black Diamond or Slate should be excellent. If you are willing to trade some color accuracy for brightness you should be able to get at least a 1,000 lumens more light with a good balance of of color and brightness. The "bright mode of the UHZ65 does not go green like the UHD65 and UHD60 but maintains a very respectable white level, just not as close to D65 as cinema is.
How would you compare the blacks of the Epson LS 10500 vs the Optoma (how does the Optoma looks with a contrast screen)?
Great question, because the Epson uses a mechanical iris and they have chosen to do rather extreme low level iris levels the UHZ65 has significantly higher contrast and better blacks on bright scenes but the near black scenes the Epson has the better blacks but does not have the contrast of the Optoma due to Epson dimming of the the highlights. The Optoma works well on a high contrast or ambient light screen as long as you have the size and brightness to support it.
Hi. Excellent review as usual. Just wanted to know if the Optoma UH65LV has the same performance in terms of blacks and contrast rato as the UH65 given that it has higher lumens? Thanks.
Hi! This blog post we wrote might help clarify what we found with the LV version: www.tvspecialists.com/optomas-uhz65lv-the-possibility-of-a-theo-version/ - if you have other questions - feel free to call us during business hours at 801-486-5757 (M-F 9am-6pm MST)
Great video comparison! Way to get down to how both of the devices truly preform and if they are truly worth the price. Very informative.
P.S please do a video on the new BenQ TK800. I would love to see what their new projector has to offer. Thanks again for the video
Great video btw.
Whenever i watch a movie with the lights out on my tv it makes my eyes fatigue fast even with the brightness levels low.
I'm wondering if the projector is any different.
Thanks
We have been selling projectors for home theater use for over 30 years and we have never had or heard a customer or client complain of "eye fatigue". If you can enjoy movies at t commercial theater without eye fatigue you should be fine at home as well. Some people are more sensitive to the rainbow effect of some DLP projectors but even then I have not heard of eye fatigue only that some scenes with bright moving highlights they can see some rainbows. Studies have been done but to my knowledge no one has complained of eye fatigue even with DLP projectors.
This was another absolutely excellent review. You do a very thorough and detailed test and do a wonderful job with explaining your points. As I followed through the review on my, it seemed that the Sony displayed an overall superior brightness and level of detail. I own an Optoma UHD65 and I am contemplating an upgrade. I was leaning towards the Sony VW285ES, primarily because it also presumably offers remote firmware upgrades and offers 3D support and I feel your review confirmed that decision. I tried very hard to pay very close attention when you pointed out differences in detail, but each time you noted the difference in favor of the Optoma, it looked like the Sony was actually better. I will look at your review on my 4K TV to see if I am missing something. Thanks again.
Emery, thank you for your comment. The Sony VW285ES is a great projector to upgrade to, especially for the 3D feature. Both projectors, the Sony and the Optoma, have impeccable images. They have amazing detail, black level and color reproduction. Even though the Optoma is rated with a higher lumen output of 2200 lumens, you’re only getting about 960 lumens in the Cinema mode. The Sony is rated at 1500 Lumens, and you’d be getting between 1250 and 1300 lumens in its Cinema modes. If you are upgrading to the Sony after having a UHD65, you will not be disappointed.
If you haven't already, you might want to take a look at our blog post to see the close up still pictures we took of the same review: www.tvspecialists.com/vplvw385es-vs-uhz65-projector-comparison-1/
Masterfully done .. Thank you
You're welcome!
Excellent review!!!
Another great video!! If you don't mind me asking. What was the calibration settings for the uhz65 cinema mode?
We do not publish calibration settings as it really each different for each projector. If you are comfortable making those adjustments in general we have found the red gain needs to be reduced 4 or 5 and blue gain about 7 or 8. Bias red about half than and blue about half as well. Without a color meeting you are really just guessing but we have found that generally the cinema mode is very close to D65 and that is a good starting point.
Ted Bollinger Thank you very much!!
Great video! It really helps a lot. I'm now choosing projector for home theater, I plan to get a screen about 180 inches. Which projector do you recommend, sony VPL--PHZ10(1080P, but5000ansi), Optoma UHZ65(4K, 3000ansi) or other due to such huge screen and ambient light.
180" wide or diagonal?
what type of ambient lighting conditions? the VPL-PHZ10 is a great, bright WUXGA (1920 x 1200) 16:10 projector and could do a good job if you have high ambient light, but it does not have great black levels or contrast like the Optoma UHZ65, if you don't have much or any ambient light and you are talking 180" diag. then I would probably go with the UHZ65, and mount it as close as possible to get as much light through the lens as possible. personally, but I wouldn't go much bigger than that as you'll be dropping below 16fL (foot lamberts) -Mike Bollinger/ TVS Pro
Thx for your reply , I do have ambient light sometimes(living room) and I mean 180" diag. I decided to switched to 135~150" diag and considered JVC-570R vs UHZ65 for the black level due to your helpful advice. If I asked for high contrast when light turn off and wanted the vision acceptable when light on, which one was your advice ? JVC-570R or
UHZ65
If you zoom in from youtube (with quality setting on 4k), you'll see that the details are more discernable on the Optoma especially in 30:22 with the boats in the distance. I also note that there are some minor convergence issues on the Sony.
Great observation, yes, one of the challenges of 3 chip designs like the Sony, JVC, and Epson is the alignment of the three chips. Even though they each give you the ability to touch up the alignment it is always a slight compromise to get it perfectly.
Amazing review, thanks so much. It is truly invaluable.
Olá. Faça uma vídeo sobre tecnologia LCD vs DLP.
Awesome review!! I have just recently purchased the Sony VPL-VW385es and am EXTREMELY happy with it! And as you can see in the comparison video...the blacks are amazing!
No doubt about it, the Sony with its iris and multiple fine adjustments is a work of art. We love the lens memory and the capability of 3D and gaming modes as well.
Amazing video
I regularly watch your videos, they are filled with lots of information, it's very knowledgable, Thank you so much for your effort,
Please do the comparison between
1)Benq x12000 projector vs Optoma UHZ 65
2)Sony VPL- VW5000 VS Optoma UHZ 65
3Benq x12000 projector vs Sony VPL- VW5000,
Looking forward to see these amazing comparison,
We're just finishing up the Sony VPL-VW295/695ES and BenQ HT9060 comparison. We hope to next do either a JVC and Theo Z65 or HT-9060 and UHZ65, thanks for watching. The Sony VPL-VW5000 probably not anytime soon due to the higher price price range.
@@tedbollinger3306 thank you so much for replying me, You guys are amazing, love to see you hitting million subscribers soon, hope one day i request you guys to come to India to build up my home theater , what about the comparison b/w Benq 12000 & Optoma UHZ 65,
Hi. At 16 minutes of the video, you use a ANSI pattern and measure 1.0 for the black rectangle and around 90 for white rectangle; that means only 90:1 ANSI contrast ?
No it does not, we indicated it was an ANSI test pattern but in order to do an ANSI rating it must be a completely blacked out room including a black dressed tech dressed in black and only the one projector on and with very precise equipment. That is we we indicated in the video that this test was only comparative and not ANSI contrast.
would love to see a comparison of the UHZ65 and the BenQ LK970! Have you seen the BenQ yet?
It might be possible in the future but from the reviews I have read by established and credible reviewers the biggest challenge with BenQ on that model has been the lack of good black levels which is also what we found on the HT2550. You might want to read the comparison of that model here: www.tvspecialists.com/optoma-uhd50-vs-benq-ht2550-4k-projector-comparison-part-i/.
I like the image of the Sony from this comparation. Maybe Optoma are cheaper to buy. The price is also important .
I really appreciate your reviews. Are there any plans for a JVC x790r and Sony 385es?
We would as well, we are hoping the JVC rep will get us one in the next couple of months.
Wow the Optoma DLP nailed this
Great video. I’m in the market for an upgrade to my theater room, and your videos are wonderful in helping to decide. I love the qualities of the UHZ65. I’m not sure of the Sony’s price. I’ll need to look that up. I’m familiar with the cost of the Optoma. But one thing I wish you would include is the picture comparison of a regular Blu-ray, instead of just Uhd Blu-ray. Anyway thanks so much for this.
Can you tell me how well they perform vs each other when fed a Blu-ray, and or a tv signal? Thanks again.
Thank you, yes, actually all of the first images before the Yellowstone footage are BluRay HD images from the Extron "Shootout" disc which is available in BluRay. HD or regular BluRay looks excellent on both and just like the 4K images it just really depends on the scene as it varies but only so slightly.
Can the Sony vpl -vw285 give you the option to give you 2.35:1 windscreen?
The Sony VPL-VW285ES does not have lens memory so no easy way to do both 16:9 and 2.35:1.
Is it good if I put them in a classroom where lights are on? Some told me 1500 lumen is too low and I need 4000+ lumen projectors.
That is correct, these are home theater projectors designed for low or no light and on screens usually about 95- 120". Optoma, as well as other brands we carrry also build class room versions that are typically 5,000 lumens and we have multiple state contracts and can extend that pricing to you. Please call and ask for one of our professional AV sales reps and they should be able to assist you.
How does the optoma uhz65 handle input lag for gaming? Planning on using it for an Xbox One X
The UHZ65 is tested as moderate lag as far as gaming is concerned. It is fine for casual gaming but not considered fast enough for serious on-line gaming.
16:29 Crushed stars ...Optoma all the way
One more thought: with this video we can see that the Optoma UHZ65 has the same level of contrast performance of the Sony. It would be very helpful, if possible, a comparison between the UHZ65 vs a JVC projector in the same price range, like the RS440. Since JVC is known for its superior contrast performance it would be very interesting to see how the UHZ65 would compare with it's laser dynamic black capabilities.
Thanks for the video.
That would be nice to see.
Yes, we are working with the JVC reps to make this happen, hopefully in the next couple of months. We are also waiting for the upcoming Optoma firmware update which should add even more refinement to their laser light diming.
Ted Bollinger Awesome. I'll be looking forward to this video. Thanks for the reply.
I'm looking forward to this review myself I'm on the fence right UHZ65 or JVC 590 or 790.. Please make this happen
We now have the JVC DLA-X790 and are in the middle of testing and making comparisons with both the Sony VPL-VW385ES and the Optoma UHZ65 at this time...stay tuned!
Can connect the Sony VPL-VW285ES to my Asus Strix GTX 1080Ti and both stream 4K content from Netflix and play games in 4K on my computer? I have tried to talk with over 10 people from Sony support and Sony dealers but no one knows... I am asking because the Sony VPL-VW285ES specs say that max HDMI computer input is 1080p. Why would the projector not support 4K content from a computer with a GPU and CPU which supports 4K?
It may be the exact Frequency or HDCP you are sending from the computer. I have personally connected my 4K laptop at UHD 4K (3840 X 2160) at 60 Hz and it syncs fine. If you are trying to play movies and copyrighted material then it may be the computer is not HDCP 2.2 complient.
Ted, thank you very much for the kind reply. The GPU (1080Ti) and CPU (Kaby Lake) are both HDCP 2.2 so I will give it a go.
Whats screen Projection do you record?
The screen is a Stewart Reference standard 1.3
Are these projectors calibrated here or right out of the box comparisons?
Nevermind I see they are calibrated.
Are there other laser/led projectors that compare to the uhz65?
You may want to check out the 'upgrade' to this projector that we offer. We have made a comparison here: czcams.com/video/QWlksKFGUlI/video.html
There is also a new UHZ65LV projector that we are currently evaluating and will most likely be doing a comparison in the future with it. .
Awesome comparison! The UHZ65 looked better as far as detail most of the time until the water scene at the end of the video. You could clearly see waves on the Sony where the Optoma you could not. Sony color did look a tiny bit better imo. I have an Optoma UHD65 maybe it's time to upgrade!
Although we were extremely disappointed Optoma discontinued the UHZ65, we are still doing upgrades.
I saw more details in the black scenes with the Optoma. What good is darker blacks if you are missing detail these areas? At 22:18 the actor has a green tint to his face with the Sony also it is slightly visible with the lady at the 5:20 mark.. At 22:39 mark you will see some missing detail at the lower left with the Sony. If you are strictly using a 16x9 screen there is no question the Optoma is the clear choice especially since the Sony is almost double the price.
You may also be interested to know that the Optoma does have the ability to do both 16:9 and 2:35 at the same height without any lens adjustments. It is very much like the zooming out for 2:35 on the Sony except you actually electronically zoom in for the 16:9. You do give up some brightness for the 16:9 but it is actually the same as the 2:35 zoom technique so with 3,000 lumens its not really an issue if you are under 200" screen size.
unfortunatly you can't do anything about the huge input lag with uhz, so you can't use it for gaming at all
I agree. The two units seem to be neck and neck in terms of performance. If the Sony is better (and I'm not saying it is), it's the double the price better.
I don't know where are you from, but here 285 is actually the same price as UHZ 65 (maby you have seen the UHD 65 price, but that is another projector)
George Popescu. 11:30 of the video, the comparison and the commentary is between the optoma and the 385. The 385 is double the price, but their performance is very close. One can even say it's a tie.
What one would you suggest I get? Also I like gaming which has the lowest input lag?
We currently do have the capability of testing processing latency. I think there are some technical reviews that do list the lag in each projector. These really only apply if you are a serious on line gamer as the casual gamer will be fine with either.
Ted Bollinger if you are passing the video signal via HDMI in your video game console to your receiver that accepts 4k and then passing that to the Optoma laser, does that help or hurt input lag?
Maybe you can help me ? Which motion is more smooth? Is better the optoma" frame interpolation"mode or the sony "motion flow" mode? I'd like to see the xbox one x and ps4pro game in 4k 30fps more fluid with some kind of theese two frame doubler mode.. dreaming is free
The Sony and Optoma are very close but is somewhat subjective when it comes to motion smoothing. For movies I prefer them both off but for live TV and sports I prefer them on. Both do a very good job of frame interpolation, I would not choose one or the other based on that alone.
Thanks for the suggestion on the video games, we'll try and do that on our next comparison.
Ted Bollinger thanks, and I'm wondering which hdmi cable you raccomand... I 'm oriented to monster platinum black hdmi cable, 27gbps ..5m long.. my optoma uhd65 is coming in a week but I don'know which 5m hdmi cable I have to buy... waiting for your precious reply Ted.
Best regards
Any chance you could compare uhz65 with ls1000 ust
We do not stock the VPL-VZ1000EZ UST however, we can always ask. Having seen the 1000 many times at trade shows and knowing it is also lazer based, I think it would be closer than the 285ES was. Even though the max brightness on the UHZ65 would be brighter, in the UHD or Cinema mode it would be very close color and brightness wise.
Please compare one of these two projectors to the new Benq 2550. 3D is a deal breaker for me so I really want to see the Benq 2550 vs the Sony VPL-VW285ES.
We do have a Benq that is supposed to be here in the next couple of weeks. Also, you will be glad to know the UHD51 is coming in March and it is confirmed to include 3D and from what I saw in a private demo it is very good and under $1,700!
Planning to get UHZ65 how does it handles 16:9 vs cinema scope?
The projector can handle any aspect ratio that it is given, whether its 16:9 (1.77:1) or Cinema Scope (2.35:1), when it's in the Native Aspect Ratio setting. With a 16:9 screen, a 16:9 image will fill the entire screen. A 2.35:1 image will fill the screen left and right, but have black bars above and below the image.
If you want to get rid of the black bars with all content, you can put the projector's aspect ratio in Superwide. This does eliminate the black bars, but is also cuts off the left and right side of the image, creating a 16:9 image out of a 2.35:1 image. In the LBX aspect ratio, you can eliminate the black bars on a 2.35:1 image, but you'll need an anamorphic lens adapter. Without the adapter, the 2.35:1 image will look squeezed from the sides.
If you have a dynamic screen that can change aspect ratios, the projector can fill in the screen with 16:9 or 2.35:1 without the black bars, providing the projector is not at it's max distance for your size of screen. The projected image will be larger than the screen. The black bars will actually be off the screen, only showing the movie footage on the screen. This can only be done through the manual zoom. Unfortunately, the project doesn't have a lens memory feature, so the screen can't be filled with just the touch of a button. You can mess around with the digital zoom, but this zooms in on the picture, keeping the same native aspect ratio of the projector, 16:9. You end up cutting off the left and right edges, similar to the Superwide setting.
@@Tvspecialists thank you for replying... some people suggested getting lumagen to deal with 16:9 vs cinemascope format... whats your thoughts on that?
Still looking for info on how the Optoma handles 4K60 content such as from the PS4 Pro. I already know the Sony's don't handle it well.
The Optoma is able to support the full 18 Gps HDMI input. As long as you do not need super fast competitive gaming speeds (less than 65ms) the Optoma will accept the input. In reading some of the forums I can see some PS4 Pro gamers are using it.
Damn sad to hear Sony's is not good for gaming.
Why they discontinued uhz65 :/
One of the biggest issues I have always had with the Sony projectors is the "hotspot" in the center of the screen and the fact that bulbs don't last nearly as long as they say they do. They start losing brightness after just a couple of months.
have you done nay testing with Optoma UHZ50. I cant find any proper review or testing like you do. :(
VW285ES is the same as VW260ES in Europe ?
Good to know, thank you.
Is the UHZ65 still best-in-class today at its current reduced price?
not quite sure what you mean by "its current reduced price", but Yes, it is still a very good projector for the money, and really there have not yet been any projectors in the same price point that are solid state (laser/LED) that offer similar performance.
it's crazy that scene to scene one projector will win out over the other. Whites seem better on the Optoma and flesh tones to me seem better on the Sony. It doesn't seem there is a clear cut winner, but the Optoma is a very exciting projector!
At the 22:18 mark you will see green in the face of the actor vs the Optoma.
Yes, the camera cannot simultaneously white balance on two different images at the same time but our eyes seem to be a little more forgiving. The images do represent what we saw but tend to over emphasize it a little bit more on some scenes and a little bit less on others. This video is the closest (Sony FS5 @ 4K) we have found so far to capture the images accurately.
I would really like to see a more relevant brightness comparison. I fail to see the 3000/1500 difference in this video.
I understand it is hard to evaluate brightness from a video image. The bottom line is that the JVC is without question brighter, however, with both projectors in their normal or "eco" lamp modes they are very close with the JVC having a slight edge. Both are brighter in the "high" lamp modes but when in that mode there is definitely a higher noise floor to contend with. If the few hundred lumens difference is significant for you there are some good on-line technical reviews that do publish these results.
I think the image on the Optoma looks more natural and more sharply defined.
It really depends on the scene and the amount of deep blacks vs bright areas of an image. Even though most movie images have a combination both, there are some which are very dark and some which are very high contrast. We have found that some look better on the Sony and others look better on the Optoma. Consider that you are comparing images of the VPL-VW385ES which has a list of $7,999 and the Optoma UHZ65 which has a list of $3,999 it is really amazing we are even talking about them being close. Thanks for watching.
I’d like to know if I had $6k to spend on projector in light control environment which one do I buy?
I had the same dilemma, because of the image sharpness, contrast and laser advantages (near constant light output, zero maintenance etc.) I personally bought the UHZ65 and have not regretted it in the least.
It would be interesting to compare the same two units at 500 hours and again at 1000 hours to see how things have changed.
Really good point, some users are not aware yet of the very different decay times on the light source between laser and lamp. Lamps typically lose up to 20% of their light output in the first 300-400 hours where as lasers have a very linear slope and are down only 50% at 20,000 hrs. Many still think the 20,000 hrs on the lasers is their life but it is really their time to half life and half brightness. At 500 hours the laser would be significantly brighter than a 500 hour lamp of the same power. At 1000 hours the lamp would be slightly down even more but after the rapid decline of output with lamps the slope a 400-500 hours usually begins a much more gradual change with lamps. The laser however would also be just a very slight difference so yes even more of a difference at 1,000 hours.
Exactly. Any chance of getting another side by side to actually test it?
Correct me if I'm wrong...One the outer space shot with the stars...Yes it looks amazing on the Optoma, and at first I thought the Sony was average. But after looking again, each star isnt the same distance, therefore there is different brightness on ever star. If this is the case, the Sony is impressive here.
The difference has to do with the way the DLP technology processes the signal vs the LCOS chips used in the Sony. Some prefer the brighter DLP stars others prefer the smaller LCOS stars. If you also look at the Epson and UHZ65 comparisons you'll see even more differences between the LCD technology and the DLP chips as well.
I guess my real question is which one would you buy?
I had the same dilemma, because of the image sharpness, contrast and laser advantages (near constant light output, zero maintenance etc.) I personally bought the UHZ65 and have not regretted it in the least.
@@tedbollinger3306 I am currently hesitating between UHZ65 and the VPL-VW295 and I am wondering: would you still buy the UHZ65 today if you had to choose, or would you go with the SONY?
trust me guys, lamps are better. black levels are very important but if you want to use it in the day, get a lazer Projector
Does anyone with the uhd65 has some problem with noise during movies?
Out of the many we've sold, we've had two that we had to send back because the color wheel 'whines' or causes noise. It's very rare though, in our experience.
Thanks a lot !
Unfotunately this topic will never end. There' simply cannot be a display capable of having the best image in every instance because our eyes are simply very different "machines". The only thing that becomes more and more apparent is that we need to stop searching the answers in technology and take all of our knowledge and begin a new age of human senses enhancements. Because, in the end our bodies are the only thing we really have and if one's gonna really make real use of something all the time is exactly that: one's body and some some fancy tech box even if very portable. The funny thing is that I have all the planing + answer as to how we could shift from this beautiful nightmare trap that we set for our selves = technology. It should allow for all of today's comfort and much more without any gadget, gimmick or artificial and even very destructive tech. It would not be techno-logy but naturo-logy. Here , life will be enhanced by its own means and all knowledge will be gained instinctively by simply continuously + objectively the answers that are already there and getting real good at it at the same time. As much as I like all of this gadgetry and techy stuff I must admit this other approach is much safer and saner and it is the only one with a REAL FUTURE !
Video isn't coming across in HDR for me.
Sorry - it is available. There may be something youtube is doing to restrict it from being played on certain devices and/or resolutions.
Wow, a lamp based projector can compete against a laser one? Sony is killing it. Is this Sony vw385e much better than the european version Sony vw360es? Because I just purchased a brand new one under £2800 which is a miracle price here in the UK.
Sorry, the VW360ES is a European model and we have not seen one here in the US so we do not know for sure.
@@Tvspecialists I received it yesterday and it says that has 1500 lumens, dynamic iris and a way to memorize different lens shifts/ratios. It is larger than what it seems in your videos. Thanks for your reply.:)
Wait ... black is 1,0cdm ??? My tv has 0,03 and even a Good Beamer can reach under 0,04
Didn't realize the UHZ65 didn't have 3D... :/ what is best 4K / 4Ke projector option if 3D is deal breaker??
So far the best 3D 4K capable projector I have seen is the JVC DLA-X790R priced between the Sonys or on the lower end the Optoma UHD51 which is really amazing for the price, just not quite the blacks that JVC has but a lot less money!
Since the JVC is an 4k-e pixel shifter.... how would the Epson UB series 4k-e compare ? I currently have an Epson 3020 and really want to upgrade it but keep 3D since the bigger the screen the more immersive the 3D effect is. I know the Epsons 4k-e currently don't offer great feature set of your wanting to use any 4K content outside of 4K 24p... I believe?? ( so not great for PS4 Pro / XBOX X) which I use frequently.... but unlike 3D... gaming @ 4K isn't a deal breaker... but it would be nice!!!
I had been eyeing the Epson UB6040 ( I think that's newest one??) And the Sony VPL-VW385ES.... with that being the absolute most I would go price wise.
I would be putting it in dedicated home theater room with no outside light sources.
But with it being a substantial investment and not one I will likely do again for 6+ years... want best bang for buck.. lol
You might want to also consider the JVC as without question it has the very best blacks. You might want to read czcams.com/video/Lt32O1Oyt5I/video.html or watch czcams.com/video/p7oNMqGeJQI/video.html The JVC is brighter than the Sony and the HDR 4K for most people is a more dynamic experience and does 3D. The Epson's are good but not in this class except the LS10500 but it is not very bright so HDR is a little on the weak side.
I prefer the SONY 385 with iris, side lens shift, and front air vent. Too bad it's not laser and it's a lot more expensive than the Optoma.
The Epson 5040UB appears better than the Sony VPL 285ES and for less $$$, no?
Not really, the Epson 5040UB is a very good projector and near the top of its field in the under $2,500 category, however the Sony offers true 4K resolution which is more detailed but not necessarily a sharper image but more rich in fine details, a smoother image, and has higher native contrast due to its SXRD panels. It really depends on your budget and application. If you need bright or very large (over 150") then Epson would be the better choice to to its higher light output.
Epson is not a 4k projector, they use side shift to create a 4k image from a 1080p image.
Viewed this on a calibrated Kuro plasma.. The colors on the Sony looked a bit more natural to me, for example, the stones in the Yellowstone footage looked more yellow on the Sony side.
Though, it looks like the Optima takes it on contrast, 97/1.1 vs 89/1.0.. But man, the starfield on the Optima looks terrible, much better on the true 4K Sony.... The Optoma's brightness gives it that HDR pop, but that high brightness and contrast will also aggravate the rainbow effect on the Optoma I can only assume...
Overall, Optoma as usual is a compelling value. But the rainbow effect bugs me, my current HD25e looks great 98% of the time, but those rare times with bright objects on dark backgrounds, where white things turn into fast flashes of red green and blue, it really hurts the suspension of disbelief for me.
bliglum Hi, it’s interesting you’d say that the star field on the Optoma looks terrible, it’s one of the scenes I absolutely loved about it. I paused scene by scene to determine a favorite and it bounced back and forth as to which I preferred. Overall though for me, the Optoma was my favorite. I looked up the cost of the Sony and it’s just under 8k. So somewhat of a difference there, but interesting point about rainbows. I started out my theater room with a budget Benq HT2050. I have never once seen a rainbow, I actually had to CZcams a video to see exactly what it was, but my color wheel is RGBRGB, not sure if that will make a difference or not. And since then everything about the room has far outpaced the projector. Mainly due to me waiting for 4K. I’m still not in a huge rush but I’m enjoying all the new options available.
Well, I guess it's not terrible. Asked my friend which they preferred, they said right, so bit more subjective.. But To me, it looked less natural, especially in motion, and the stars look oversized and overly bright. No doubt though the Optoma will offer the best value, Sony, as usual the most expensive.
Far as the rainbows though, it's one of those things that is a non issue to most, a noticeable issue for some (myself), and apparently a complete deal breaker for a few. I too am waiting to upgrade to a true 4K projector. Seems like Projectors are the real market for 4K as TV's really can't see much benefit at standard sizes and distances.
Really? I can see more stars on the Optoma and they are much brighter.
Exactly, to me they look too big, too bright. Though, I've never actually been in space, when I at least look to the sky at night, the stars don't look so big and bright.
Actually, in person, they both look amazing and realistic and it really is very subjective as to who likes which one best. On most of the e-shift projectors we have seen so far (Epson for example) it is a different story, they do have fewer stars (4 million pixels vs 8 million) and they are less bright as well.
Laser is just better....it just is. Bulbs are OUT!
Kesly Hayes stop talking out of your ass
Kesly Hayes I’m glad that I have your permission.
@@todd8781 Well he's right as far as bulbs being out. They're not going anywhere just yet.
The bulbs we can change, do you saw laser light or leds for projector to buy ?
I don't trust the Optoma brand. Years ago I purchased an Optoma projector and it was plagued with problems. To be fair I don't know how they are today; but it was frustrating when i had it back in 2003. I had to take 2 back and finally ended up selling it because Micro Center didn't do returns. That's one of the reasons I don't shop with them anymore as well. I trust Sony way more than Optima brand.
so far as i know,uhz 65is the best price/performance 4k projector,if you are very rich,buy sony for a better one,if not buy uhz65
Actually the Sony is only better for near blacks and semi blacks as fades to black are actually full black on the Optoma and normal scenes the Optoma UHDZ65 has contrast as good or even better depending on brightness. The Optoma is also laser which means after a few hundren hours it will significantly outperform contrast and brightness over almost any lamp based projector. The Sony would be best if you are a serious gamer or need 3D or lens memory.
Ted Bollinger why is the Optoma bad for console gaming? I read that you can’t turn on the input lag reduction on the song in 4k so wouldn’t that mean that 4k 60 FPS games would have high input lag? Also, the Sony doesn’t have 18ghz HDMI so wouldn’t that hurt 4k 60 FPS gaming as well? Does anyone know what the input lag is for the Optoma when playing xbox one x at 4k 60 FPS?
14:26 so annoying you didn't show how a menu on UHZ would affect the black
Sorry, it's a combination of Dynamic Black, pedestal or brightness settings using the Spears & Munsil HD Bluray set up disc which we provide with all our D and Z65 projectors.
One is wrong and the other one is better.
I don't know about you but especially in real footage, I belive Sony have more natural colors, it looks more like what you can see in the real world.
sony VPL-BW385E IS BEST
S*** will burn out due to the evaporation of the liquid crystal. It becomes darker after each time of watching.
If you are refering to the SXRD panels there have been some rare examples of the panels delaminating but it seems to be the exception rather than the rule. Generally you can expect many years from LCD panels. Keep in mind even the LCD screen you may have in your home is a related technology and they very rarely fail.
@@tedbollinger3306 General LCD works under mild back-light or environment light. SXRD works under high density light. You may notice how dark a S*** projector is. It's not the problem to find a brighter light source, it's the problem SXRD panel cannot take it.
Im sick of Grammerly ads. Especially the asian guy that can barely speak the language