The Worst LMP1 Car of All Time
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- In 2011, Aston Martin sought out to win their first 24 Hours of Le Mans since 1959 with their brand new LMP1 car, the Aston Martin AMR-One. But the car didn't turn out to perform as Aston Martin had hoped. Rather, it is considered by many to be the worst LMP1 car of all time.
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Count how many different ways I pronounce "Peugeot" in this video.
The one at 2:21 sounded the most normal to me
My mind always switches between what I heard from race commentary on TV, and what I heard from Jeremy Clarkson and Top Gear.
Your pronunciation of Peugeot, right or wrong, wasn't a problem. The problem was the way you say "Martin". Where did the "t" go? It sounds like "Mar-en" or "Mar-in". I've heard similar word-mangling done to words like "mountain" which for some reason ends up being pronounced "mou-an" (with a weird glottal throat noise in place of the "t").
Also a little hint from a native german speaker, it's pronounced "Christian Clean" instead of "Kleyn". Otherwise amazing video!
@@greghorton803 I think that's just down to a regional accent
Man, being an Aston Martin fans is hard sometimes.
Yea especially with f1
@@rishenreni7618its the first season as that team and its far better than aston not being there at all. Everyone hates on the strolls but that deal would not have happened without them and they will get better. They have only done 3 races as of today. Atleast they are around f1 now
@@Atti19216 I like stroll and Vettel and yea it's the Aston's first season they still have experience from the previous racing point
Also high take cars have and advantage over the low rake cars so unless FIA change rules mid season (highly unlikely) we won't see much from Aston Martin
Even harder in gran turismo sport(slowest accelerating n1000 and gr3 cars)
@@rishenreni7618 well no they arent gonna change rules half way through the season when we go to an entire new car next year. A few teams are just getting through this year with what they have waiting for the change. But for all we know the looks of the car will change and merc will still rape everyone like they have for almost a decade who knows.
2015 Nissan GTR LMP1 : '' allow me to introduce myself "
weird that nobody had ever thought that a top flight FWD race car would be a good idea....
Yeah you have a good point mate front wheel drive le mans car great idea aston Martin should stick to gt's
The GTR was designed to be unique.
And it was. It was just also shit.
Plus it was never fully working: iirc the entire hybrid system never ran while at Le Mans.
Hahaha well to be honest least one of them managed to do over 200 laps so think the AMR one was definitely worse but yeah both were failures.
@Enigma Punk it actually didn't race with the power it was supposed to have. The car was meant to be FWD and have a boatload of power as a tradeoff, but they couldn't get the hybrid system to work and were left with a gimped car.
2010 Audi R15+ was no fluke it set all time distance record and forced Peugeot to turn their engines up and therefore caused Peugeot reliability issues
Yeah agree. It was't the fastest car out there but for sure an endurance beast that pressured Peugeot into 3 blown engines
There was no rain during the race and only a few safety car periods early on. This meant that the pace was a lot faster. Something the Peugeots couldn't live with I guess
0:31 Can you believe it's been almost 11 years since GT5 came out? Oh, the good old days....
GT5 looked amazing for its time.
Seeing that banner was incredibly nostalgic for me. I still remember 10yr old me spending a year saving up for a PS3 so I could buy it on release day.. spent many hours on La Sarthe 🤣
10 years and 4 months to be specific.
Still a great game, and playing it online with the LAN mod and XLink Kai lets you experience Shuffle Racing again :)
@@guestc142 I concur it looked good for a Console racing game.
I love these " worst of" videos. Its nice to see what the floor is for these sports.
Much better than crashpr0n, that's for sure. This is probably why so many OEMs left the series D: .. isnt it ?
Aston Martin, on that Gru's meme
Wants to win Le Mans again
Builds an LMP1
It's slower than LMP2s
It's slower than LMP2s.....
Gp2 engine
Gp2 engine
Nissan: Allow me to introduce myself.
@@Khan-ts2ji except that they have never won any. And at least one of the cars finishes the race rather than completed for 4 laps
The delta wing getting sent into the wall is such a derpy sight. It reacts so weirdly.
Had such a good laugh. Like wtf, what are you doing here
Never realised I'd be watching a golden era of LMP1 when I was watching these races back in the day. Miss the genuine competition and scope that's properly lacking now.
I miss ALMS
Things are definitely going to get a lot more exciting at the front of the field over the next 2-3 years though, with the sheer number of manufacturers (Porsche, Audi, Ferrari, Peugeot, maybe even Lamborghini) getting involved in Hypercar/LMDh.
Yes, and no. Yes, there were loads of LMP1 teams, but it was very much an A-class and a B-class situation, diesel vs petrol. Plus, independent teams like Pescarolo, who were always underdog giant-killers, were rapidly losing the funds and facilities to compete with the manufacturers. And teams like Rebellion seemed content to be "best of the rest". The petrol teams might as well have been their own seperate class considering how they weren't competitive enough to properly race Audi and Peugeot.
2023
@Adam By sticking in the series? Isnt it Audi and Porsche's fault for leaving?
All those SPEED Network graphics make the most painful kind of nostalgia.
the good ole days
Now it's just the blue characterless leadboard...
Real og's remember the best days when it was called speedvision
In 2010 Audi won because they finished. First to win, you must finish. Peugeot did not finish, they all blew up within short time of each other. So to say it was a fluke for Audi to win and in the end dominate is a ridiculous. They simply built a reliable car, that was slower than Peugeot, but the bloody things finished and they finished 1-2-3. Peugeot learnt a huge lesson in 2010 after starting the race 1-2-3-4. It was VERY embarrassing for Peugeot actually. Enjoyed your video.
i honestly can't just discredit them for that win, because they literally set a distance record that same race
I sort of feel that the fanfare of the Nissan GTR-LM, Superbowl adverts et al, probably pushes its ahead in the worst stakes.
When I saw Worst LMP1, I thought it was definitely the GTR-LM...
Probably more reasonable to say the most overhyped LMP1 car if you ask me. I think a lot of people are in the same boat as you. But considering the AMR-One only finished six laps at Le Mans across two cars, and was somehow farther from the front runners on pace than the GTR LM Nismo, this car takes the cake for me. Nissan will always get to claim that they at least finished the race.
@@GTRain Good point. I wonder what the best the ByKolles ever managed, they seem to catch fire on the warm up laps, taking the name too literally!
imho, Nissan just pulled the plug too early. should have given it another year :(
@@feroxk.9266 if they enjoy getting rekt by Porsche and Toyota in every single race they enter.
3:54, yes the engine was a total shit show, but not for the reasons described.
1) Of course it's going to be longer than a V8, and this isn't a real issue. The car is 5 metres long on it's own, there's going to be some dead space in the monocoque.
2) An inline engine package was chosen over a V engine, since it would allow them to run a very low drag car concept.
3) The lack of capcity is not an inherent issue. Highly boosted turbo engines can last for 24 hours and Aston never suffered a failure in the head. Which indicates there was never an issue with the engine blocks flexing.
4) The steel bars for a non stress engine design are super common. The 787B had similar structures, although I believe those were done in titanium. Also the weight of those bars would not be sufficient to "upset" the balance of the car. It's not ideal, but the car would be required to be loaded with ballast to get the weight were it is wanted.
5) It seems that the reason the power was so low, is that the team got scared after the first engine failed and were unsure of the cause, so they elected to detune the engines just in case. The engine failure was caused by the coating on the cylinder walls.
Finally the most damning reason why the engine was a failure is shown how after quali for Spa, cracks in the aluminium alternator pullies were found. And when steel replacements were fitted, it just moved the cracking issue to a drive pully. This shows that the engine was probably suffering an issue with harmonics in the crankshaft. Even after they fixed the liners, the engine was constantly trying to kill itself.
Don't usually comment on youtube videos but absolutely love the content you're putting out! Keep killing it!
Thanks, Alexandre!
Now this is the content I want to see on CZcams! Cheers
oh man. i remember watching Bozzy's video of the AMR One when it was fresh and being so, so excited for it, it being the follow up to my favorite LMP1 car, the B09-60 ( i knew it from ALMS with the Muscle Milk sponsership).
So soul crushing man, haha.
0:18 I've never seen this crash but HOLY CRAP! I'm surprised that not only the driver, but everyone behind the barrier was alright! Surely their life flashed before their eyes right then
I can't help but admire the cameraman's dedication, homie was dead center in the carnage and wanted that shot
Saw it live on TV! I would have never given a penny that McNish survived it..
I remember seeing it live in our kitchen and just hearing mom scream when she saw it. She just kept saying, "That man is dead!" (she's not much of a racing person, so big shunts were always scarier). But it was Alan McNish going full send on the inside on a GT car, and his team-mate as well, it was never gonna end well.
I was raised by my grandfather, who is... was a massive racing fan, Le Mans in particular, every year he'd stay up to watch the full 24h so it was baked in right from the start for me to become a fan.
We had initially planed to go to the 2009 Le Mans but my grandmother had gotten sick that year with breast cancer, we ended up taking care of her of course. So we got tickets for the 2011 Le Mans, now I hate to thank someone for getting sick, especially my grandmother, but it was a blessing in disguise for sure! I was 16 at the time and it was the best experience I have ever ever had, sore feet, blisters and severely exhausted after the weekend, but it was AMAZING!
That’s an incredible story! Terribly sorry that you had to go through that with your grandmother. My grandfather was responsible for introducing me to sports car racing as well. I went to my first American Le Mans Series race in 2008, and 2011 Le Mans was the first LM24 that I truly remember being heavily invested in. I would’ve done many things to be able to go back in time and attend that race myself. Thanks for that one!
Alpine Hypercar: Slower then a handful of LMP2's
Aston Martin: First time?
You mean... slower than ONE LMP2.
And now Alpine is second behind GR010 :o
U mean Oreca 07 or Rebelion R13
Hey! The Alpine managed to finish second overall at Spa! Bring on Le Mans and victory for Negrao, Vaxiviere and Lapierre!
hypercar fundamentally is slower than lmp2, they had to cut lmp2 power by 10% and give them an extra 20kg of weight
The way the Deltawing got punted off the track though.
The multiple oversights/failures on a factory backed car is amazing. By the 2010's most teams, esp factory backed teams have long since figured out reliability issues. So being down a minimum of 100hp for the sake of running 24hrs is a terrible strategy. While it is certainly possible to engineer a straight 6 that is load bearing, but it requires time and resources. Being down on power, extra weight high in the car, questionable aero choices, and poor reliability isn't a winning formula in any race, much less a 24hr race at La Sarthe.
Love this content usually videos like these are about f1, keep it up! Also I wish there was some more radical designs like the delta wing but it seems unlikely now unfortunately
This vid was flawless.Thank you really much this is the kind of content which yt doesn’t have enough of
Great video essay, got a new subscriber.
Please keep doing stuff like this!
Great content man! It was about time someone make le mans/sportscar related videos. Just suscribed. Loved it.
I met the Lola B09 /60 at le mans in 2015, not knowing it was there I was watching the Aston Martin GT3 challenge series, and one owner brought that Lola aston for fun. Standing at the ford chicane on the roof of the karting building. That V12 was so loud that even from a distance of 200 meter it hurt. That car looked so beautiful and sounded like what F1 should sound like.
I remember that race so well. Just the tiniest bit of luck that it would not go down as the deadliest race since LM 1955.
Watching this early 2021 wonder how F1 Aston Martin & Vettel will go ??
since aston martin does nothing in that case, probably alright
engine, gearbox and suspension are mercedes parts, the rest is developed by the same organization that already was a good midfield team before stroll bought it
@@illdeletethismusic The Aston F1 team is just a branding exercise.
Great video man, to the point.. and easy to follow, some great footage too👊🏼
pretty good video, kind of shocked that you only have 4450 subs
I hope you will make more videos similar to this one, it's super interesting and informative for someone who isn't really into endurance racing [except for his home 24h race at nürburgring ofc :) ]
One of my next videos will be about the 24 Hours of Nürburgring!
being 20 sec per lap slower than the top times, I wouldn t even bring the car to the start...shame.
When the CZcams Algorithm finally give you a really great video about motorsport
Awesome video, good editing and storytelling!!
Its very rare for a first year design to go well, just look at the first attempt by Audi. However, this attempt by Aston Martin was ludicrous!! That car even makes the Nissan look good!!
Amazing content! I was really impressed by the car's sound as well. Subscribed:)
Nice video, popped up out of nowhere! good work!
Great video. What about when Cadillac tried to go Lemans racing a few years ago, when they had night vision, and thought that was a big deal.
2011 was my first ever Le Mans race and I was standing just to the left of the Alan McNish crash and I loved seeing the Lola Aston in 2010 at Silverstone
Man, if you thought the i6 made a nice noise, you shoulda heard the V12.. 🤤
Great vid. You made a new fan out of me.
1:45 hehe that picture has been my profile background for a decade now. Just love the gulf liveries so much
Idk why but petrol companies always have great liveries (gulf, repsol)
@@mateuszzimon8216 shell has potential to
i have good news for you if you like F1 :D
Production quality is amazing, definitely earned a subscription from me.
I love that you chose “Afterburner” by Amphobious for the background music. I like that song so much 😍😍😍😍😍😍
Nice video, something I did not know about Le Mans, thank you, you have gained a subscriber
performance aside, there's something charmingly gorgeous about open cockpit prototypes to me. Loved the video!
Hit like as soon as I heard that LeMans 2011 was the all time favourite motor-race; still the best LeMans I've ever seen, those 13 seconds of advantage at the end after the last Audi pit stop felt like they were neck and neck. I remember being quite intrigued by the AMR One, especially after that video by Bozzy with the amazing sound of its petrol engine, and then, just after the start, we got that absolute damp squib; luckily we still had the glorious sound of the C6R to enjoy for the rest of the race. Was a disappointment, but then again, I miss this kind of against-all-odds challenges such as the AMR One, the Deltawing or the GTR (even if we did have ByKolles stubbornly getting in just to record a bunch of early retirements in the last few years)
I definitely hope we’ll see a return to the Audi - Peugeot battle in 2023 with the addition of Porsche, Ferrari, Toyota, and more! I’m slightly skeptical about the balancing of LMH and LMDh cars in a proper race setting, but I hope I’ll be proved wrong. We were robbed of the hybrid war at the end of 2016 when it was at its peak, so I’d say sports car racing fans deserve the battle of a lifetime in a couple years.
@@GTRain Agreed about the balancing of LMH and LMDh, we've seen how that played out when the plan was to balance hybrid and non-hybrid LMP1; the only reason why I'm still a bit hopeful is because some big names such as Porsche decided to choose LMDh. As as aside, I really hope that GM will enter as well, even if that might unfortunately mean the end of the Corvette program in the GT class. Regarding underdogs, one team to keep an eye on is Glickenhaus: no big hopes for a result, but I'd be quite happy to see them finishing the race and be classified
For me it was the 2008 Petit Le Mans, when my beloved Ron Mathis engineered the winning car. Two laps down at the start and Alan McNish finishing the race in a battle with Peugeot.
The 2009 AMR/Lola LMP1 was absolutely gorgeous
In terms of performance, the worst LMP1 seen at Le Mans that actually made it to the start of the race was the Lola B2K/10 powered by a diesel Caterpillar V10 (in fact a block coming from the VW Touareg iirc). It was in 2004 and if my memory serves well, its fastest lap was a 4'10 when the fastest P1 were around 3'30 or 3'35
24 Hours of Le Mans 2011 was also my favorite race of all time. Legit, so glad someone else agrees! :)
3:35 it's hard to believe that sound is from an inline 6
Ayee didnt expect to hear my favorite prototype in this video!
Im talking about the deltawing of course!
Very good video. You deserve more subs and views. :)
They really ran an LMP1 but with LMP2 power against other LMP1’s lol
This car gets an unfair rep. It knew it wasn't ready, it was suppose to be developed over several years. It just got killed by bad PR. The Nissan, which promised to win in the first year, was much worse for that reason. The 6 Hour race it debuted in was said to be an abbreviated test session in the first place.
A poor development timeframe killed both programs, unfortunately. Neither one was really able to put in the amount of R&D necessary to make a successful program before the funding was pulled.
@@GTRain For sure, I just think the Nissan is much more deserving of the worst lmp1 badge because they straight up claimed that car was going to win. Aston viewed their effort as a 3 year gradual development.
Prodrive/AMR's experiment of using races as test sessions probably didn't make sponsors happy.
the way this man seemingly says, Peugeot however he wants, angers my inner french man
The AMR-One was an outrageous & courageous design that would have worked if they hand attempted this impossible feat in 2 years and not one...
It would have worked with another engine type..
Thanks for the video, loved it
great video. i had no idea it became the deltawing.
I don't even remember this thing. Although I guess its probably for the best
I helped build the thing, Wish I could forget lol
I love these kinds of videos.
Great content
Calculations appreciated
its so sad because that car was pure beauty
I came here to say exactly that!
Open cockpit LMP1 cars look kinda silly imo. Something about the size of the body compared to the tiny driver and the fact that he's off to the side rather than central. On an F1 car it looks ok because the chassis is narrow. It would look incredible as a closed cockpit car.
Just looking at it again I think the roll hoops are the biggest eye sore on that car.
@@xeigen2 I agree. Almost all of the most iconic Le Mans prototypes (Porsche 917, Ferrari 512, Porsche 956/962, Jaguar XJR-9 etc) were closed cockpit cars.
Succeeding one of the most beautiful and best sounding LMP cars of all time, this was a colossal failure..
I remember that accident when McNish crashed into that Ferrari, it made me so angry... McNish was a reckless driver, always taking unnecessary risks, in that occasion he destroyed the Ferrari's chances of winning the GT class, and almost killed himself in the process. And why? To gain 0.1s by overtaking the GT car half a corner earlier? In a 24-hr race? Not the smartest guy.
Great video!
Is Aston Martin really is that cursed??
i mean in F1 they looks like a very promising midfield team but in reality theyre terrible
Being successful in F1 is really hard, almost impossible nowadays. Many of world leading manufacturers stumbled upon this task.
@@hyts0404 although they got spare parts from racing point yet they are outside of top 10
@@hyts0404 Ferrari's strategic decisions are a meme because they're their own worst enemy
Good stuff man
Love your video.
How do amr01 chassis transformed into the deltawing chassis. They seem so different. Just curious
great stuff!
Who's here after Aston Martin announced their LMH program today?
I was there ! First time I went to a race, and let me tell you that those GT cars are loud as hell.
Edit : typo
You need to hear the old V10 F1 cars. You can feel the shifts in your bones
Such a shame. Really liked the content on this channel. You need to post more essay type videos. Even if you're only getting 4 or 5 thousand views, eventually your stuff will catch on. Once the quality is there.
Damn. I really wanted the hypercar class to work and have the Valkyrie run but for some reason things don't look good at the moment for WEC top tier...I hope this year changes
They have completely screwed up the whole class structure from top to bottom due to how slow the LMH cars are turning out to be. We'll see how it works out in actual races, but so far it doesn't seem too good.
Awesome job on this
One of them became the Delta wing! Wow, I never would have guessed.
This was the first year I was at Le Mans. What a race.
Attended 2009 12hr Sebring, and those astons were a sound to behold. Livery was excellent as well. One thing: im not 100% sure, but i think you equated the deltawing and the nissan deltawing ripoff as the same car. Those were two different cars, and the subjects of some acrimony.
They were knocking engines together in the back of the garage out of salvaged bits from other dead motors to make to morning warm up, it’s not surprise they only lasted 4 laps
I love the GT specs series
Great video
I sure hope the Glickenhaus does better, but with their entry for Spa already cancelled, I'm not very confident.
It's good that Glickenhaus cancelled the debut, gives them more time to solve any problems and issues incase any are present.
I love the Peugeot 908 HDI it’s great around Le Mans, and Spa as well, the Audi R18 Ultra is pretty decent
The AMR-One was basically entered way too soon into Le Mans. It just didn't have the development necessary to race there or at any other endurance race.
How did the Lister LMP1 do relatively to the AMR1?
If it can fit a straight six I'd like to imagine someone 2j swapping it
might be more reliable...
The driver that took out the deltawing has negative awareness... how could he not see such a cool car and smash it off the road like that?
It was a great race. I miss the larger LMP field with lots of variety of design.
My favorite LMP was the Panoz. Big screaming v-8 in front of the driver. Not the greatest race machine by any means but you SURE knew when they were coming.
I always found the delta wing to be the most hideous looking car to ever make a circuit of any track and it makes poetic sense that it would be made of the worst LMP car.
I remember being excited to see that car at Le Mans way back when 😂 How does this project compared with Ginetta's attempt?
I would like to se more videos, for the following cars: Nissan GT-R LM Nismo, ByKolles ENSO CLM 01/01, Panoz LMP07, Deltawing IMSA, Lavaggi LS1, Radical SR10 LMP1, Harrier LR10 and Lotus Elise GT1 LMP1 (2004 12 Hours of Sebring)
wait there was something worse than the Nissan LMP1?
Wow amazing content
I don't know the reason behind it but I see the name "Prodrive" as a literal red flag.
Never go cheap, unless you know what you're doing. 😌
And if you know what you're doing, don't go cheap 😂😂
Believe it was the high vibration caused by the harmonics of the crank, which was the main culprit to its failure.
7:12 How is the DBR1-2 B09/60 car still competing in 2011 season?
Perhaps it was not over for the B09/60
Yo, this video was dope.
Very good video
Wow, I even forgot about that strange car.
Most of this info (and even some of the photos) is lifted directly from a Reddit post from a year ago: www.reddit.com/r/wec/comments/fpk6lt/forgotten_racecars_aston_martin_amrone/?
worst part for me was that this car wore the gulf livery...