Marshall JMP 50W Lead - Original VS Reissue!

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  • čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
  • In this video I compare the current Marshall 50W JMP Reissue (1987X) to an original from 1970. I'm using a Gibson les Paul 1959 Standard reissue and a 1968 Marshall 1982A 4x12 Cab.

Komentáře • 289

  • @MarkDelsing
    @MarkDelsing Před 3 lety +55

    Two things I am always reminded of when I watch this channel: 1) 80% or more of your tone is your speaker cabinet, 2) Johan is awesome.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 3 lety +2

      Thanks my friend, that’s kind of you!

    • @superchampable
      @superchampable Před 3 lety +9

      No 80% of his tone is Johan

    • @dreyn7780
      @dreyn7780 Před 2 lety

      @@superchampable I'm glad this comment happened 4 months ago cause now I can ignore it.

    • @dreyn7780
      @dreyn7780 Před 2 lety

      Take a break from music and return and listen with fresh ears.
      Its sonicly very marshall tone.
      Its as if the low E string gets left out of the amplification process.
      They want guitarists to play chords and solo's not bass runs.

    • @tomasvanecek8626
      @tomasvanecek8626 Před 2 lety

      Speaker cabinet is nonsense.. I use many speakers, speaker cabinets.... the guitar and the amp is the sound.

  • @patrickwilson623
    @patrickwilson623 Před 3 lety +10

    Excellent head-to-head. It's nice that you can get such solid sound from a reissue. Thanks for demonstrating them at different levels too

  • @spideymarino
    @spideymarino Před 3 lety +20

    The reissue 1959slp and 1987x are both great. A lot of people rule them out without actually trying them. They are both killer.

  • @marczovaro2561
    @marczovaro2561 Před 2 lety +11

    The Marshall 1987 circuit changed sometime late 71/72, gain was increased substantially. The re-issue amp was voiced on this later circuit.
    I have a 1987 dated May '70, 95% original, very similar to the one in this video. The amp is clean up to 4, breaks up until 7, then gain increases dramatically.
    I also have a '76 JMP 50 which is a total gain monster, with different midrange focus.

    • @tomasvanecek8626
      @tomasvanecek8626 Před 2 lety

      Exactly right... i posted my comment before I read your post.. 69,70 are a riddle for me..
      not a metal panel still, but close ? What you describe is much like my 68

    • @qua7771
      @qua7771 Před měsícem

      I built one based on a '68, and it has a lot of gain. I noticed that some of the amps from that era didn't have a .68uf V2 cathode bypass capacitor, and some did. Some had a 820 ohm V2 cathode resistor, and some had a 1K.
      Later models had less negative feedback, (100K on the 8 ohm tap, instead of 47K on the 4 ohm tap). They started using a .68uf presence cap instead of the usual .1uf. I don't see much other difference. A brighter amp might be perceived as having more gain. Lower NFB sounds gainier.

  • @thechannelforeverything2170

    Hats off to Marshall for making a stellar reissue of a bonafide classic.

  • @chanceterrill5346
    @chanceterrill5346 Před 3 lety +8

    Got migraine headache but still have to watch this video oh, it's just too good to miss the debut

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 3 lety

      Thanks man, hope you feel better now

    • @chanceterrill5346
      @chanceterrill5346 Před 3 lety

      @@JohanSegeborn I do! I had to go hide in dark room till the morning, they suck big time,..... But saw your premiere right before I got home so I had to watch it! If u ever get a chance I'd love to get your opion on the new ceriatone all-access 51.....I've been loving it in 67 jmp mode! Though I doubt you could get ur hands on one without buying it, Im pretty sure they are made to order direct..... I love ur channel dude! It just gets better n better!

  • @vayabroder729
    @vayabroder729 Před 3 lety +11

    Incredible how similar they both sound; really like the sounds you got even in clean mode.

    • @sohosteveuk
      @sohosteveuk Před 3 lety +7

      To my ear the newer version is way more saturated.
      The original sounds tighter and more defined.

    • @cgavin1
      @cgavin1 Před 3 lety +7

      @@sohosteveuk Personally I can't abide the modern saturated/clipping sound of Marshalls. It just sounds like a pedal to my ears. Much prefer the tight/bright less saturated vintage amp.

    • @jublaim
      @jublaim Před 3 lety +5

      @@sohosteveuk That's what I hear as well. I've studied the gut pics, and I'm 80% sure that the 1970 got a 2k7 bright channel cathode resistor; the reissue got 820 Ohms.
      It also looks like the 1970 got a ceramic coupling cap from the bright channel anode, it indicates that it's a low value, I think it's a 2n2; the reissue got 22nF.
      Both these differences makes the 1970 bright channel tighter.
      Also, the preamp rail voltages are surprisingly low on the reissue, from the PI to the first tube: 305V, 260V, 240V. It would make the reissue saturate early.

    • @sohosteveuk
      @sohosteveuk Před 3 lety +1

      @@jublaim - wow...!
      You certainly know your onions! 😃
      I wonder why they have done that if it's supposed to be a faithful reissue 🤔
      Surely can't be a cost issue...?

    • @jublaim
      @jublaim Před 3 lety +1

      @@sohosteveuk As I understand it the reissue is based on the 1968 plexi, the first that had "split cathode" on V1.
      There were changes made to the circuit pretty continuously in late '60s and the reissue is maybe as if you "sample" a 50W plexi at that time :-)

  • @semdallinga69
    @semdallinga69 Před 3 lety +17

    I’m glad you compared the reissue to a 70’s amp, since it was based on a 70’s style JMP.
    A 1987x reissue vs 1967 plexi would’ve been unfair

    • @wrayven
      @wrayven Před 3 lety +6

      Except for the plexi front & back panels, the 70 Marshall used in the video is the same as a plexi Marshall. To most collectors an early metal panel Marshall from late 69 until the middle of 70 are plexi Marshalls that go for 30-50% the price of an amp made a couple years before it. Someone has replaced the mustard caps with what looks to be Sprague orange drops, but the circuit board is the same brown one that was used in the plexi era amps. As a former owner of 67 JMP 50, I would rather have a mid 70-73 Marshall 50 with the cream white circuit board. Those have really great overdrive crunch that the plexi really doesn't achieve. Then again I would prefer a late 60's small box Traynor YBA-1 over most every 50 watt Marshall except a late 70's 2204.

    • @semdallinga69
      @semdallinga69 Před 3 lety

      @@wrayven Aren’t there minute differences in capacitor values? Of course these values were all over the place back in the day, but there should be small differences in bright caps for example right?
      Edit: You might be right, maybe a ‘73 SLP would’ve been more accurate

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 3 lety +1

      I actually compare it to 67 here czcams.com/video/q__xhjj_9KE/video.html

    • @FukEmUp145
      @FukEmUp145 Před 3 lety +2

      @@semdallinga69 Yep. The models from ´73 and onwards are basically the same as today´s reissues (except for the FX Loop). I have a 76, 79 and a 1997 (the second reissue, without the FX Loop) and they sound the same as long as you put in the same tubes (My 79 has a little bit more gain due to some tolerances i think), same deal with the 100W models, my 79 and my 2001 are identical
      All the PCB amps have very aggressive brightcaps, the ones with the FX Loop (2006 onwards i think) seem to have a little less aggressive ones. I dont care, i pull them out as soon as i get an amp :D
      The pre-73 models are a different thing from year to year and they can sound very different from each other.

    • @semdallinga69
      @semdallinga69 Před 3 lety +1

      @@FukEmUp145 Yeah bright caps can really make the tone suffer haha, especially at lower volumes...
      Best to put a switch in between the bright cap and the rest of the circuit I think

  • @hkguitar1984
    @hkguitar1984 Před 3 lety +5

    I've a close friend who's been collecting vintage amplifiers since the 1980s. He let me borrow a early 1970s 50W JMP of which I fell in love with.
    When it came time to return it I went out and purchased a 1987x and couldn't be more pleased. The only real difference is I've a modern cab/speakers which don't sound as nice as the late '60s 1960A Cab w/Original Pulsonic cone G12s. As with most amplifiers the speaker/cab combination is where most the magic happens (IMO).
    Great demo Johan, thank you.

    • @1sttvbn
      @1sttvbn Před 2 měsíci +1

      It’ll break in with use

    • @hkguitar1984
      @hkguitar1984 Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@1sttvbn 100% agree with you, and it has broken in very nicely. This is the amplifier I've always wanted, even after all this time I'm still cracking a grin when I play through it.

    • @1sttvbn
      @1sttvbn Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@hkguitar1984 I have a ‘72 Super Lead 100, nothing like it. Actually starts getting dirty jumped with both volumes on 3. No mods, all factory. I’ve only replaced the presence pot, and the death cap removed.

    • @hkguitar1984
      @hkguitar1984 Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@1sttvbn VERY COOL
      I've only really checked out an early '70s Super Lead once, loved it.
      Since 1977 I'd been playing through my 1977 Twin Reverb (only amp I've ever purchased brand new), that full 100W was just more than I ever really used, so I went with the 50W 1987x. Not gonna lie though, whenever I see/hear a 100W Marshall I lust for it in the worst way.

    • @1sttvbn
      @1sttvbn Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@hkguitar1984 Those twins were mighty powerful as well, if I remember 85 watts.

  • @SteveOuimette
    @SteveOuimette Před 3 lety +20

    I'm surprised how much I like the reissue. Sounds fantastic. Sounds like it has more gain on tap.

    • @fearnpol4938
      @fearnpol4938 Před 3 lety +1

      I’m shocked too all the ones I’ve tried have been bastard harsh. And I thought it sounded gain(ier).

    • @T0bh
      @T0bh Před 3 lety +8

      I guess getting a good set of speakers is what it comes down to

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 3 lety +6

      Yeah the 1987X holds up really well

    • @tomasvanecek8626
      @tomasvanecek8626 Před 2 lety +1

      1987x was modeled on a metal panel JMP .. no surprise, much more gain
      68,69 plexis were a different kettle of fish.. less gain, sweeter..
      The 1970 is a mystery for me.. ;) something in between, I guess
      never played one..

  • @bobboitt3126
    @bobboitt3126 Před 3 lety +7

    Both sound GREAT. I had an original 1970 years ago it was a killer amp 50w plenty of power!

  • @aronhallam6449
    @aronhallam6449 Před 3 lety +11

    look at Johan knocking back Carlsberg like there's no tomorrow on a Wednesday haha

  • @MarkPhillipsLGM
    @MarkPhillipsLGM Před 3 lety +7

    The best amp comparisons on the planet are done by you Johan !! Always great content and riffs. Let’s go !!

  • @rockabilly12
    @rockabilly12 Před 3 lety +2

    Man, I just love that mix! I can't stop grooving to it!

  • @jogo2000
    @jogo2000 Před 11 měsíci +1

    The reissue really holds up. I have one of my own and it is really tons of fun!

  • @andrewgarcia3136
    @andrewgarcia3136 Před 3 lety +1

    played through a 1970 50w and it blew my mind

  • @andreas5153
    @andreas5153 Před 3 lety +3

    I have the 1987x and I am not surpriced that it sounds so good compared to the original. I also have an 1969 1982B, but I haven´t tried that combination yet. Inspiring!

  • @angeloraddi397
    @angeloraddi397 Před 3 lety +1

    You always amaze my ,your guitar riff are simply and beautiful the spirit of 60 /70 rock !

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 3 lety

      Thanks Angelo! I’m really glad you like it!

  • @waltersheens1087
    @waltersheens1087 Před 2 lety +1

    always like the videos :) if Johan extends his strap so the Les Paul hangs lower (at correct height) he will be a rockstar !

  • @dennisflock3958
    @dennisflock3958 Před 3 lety +2

    Incredible tone goodness. Love them Marshall amps.

  • @taxo
    @taxo Před 3 lety +16

    Hi! Today we're gonna check out some really badass sounds, like those you hear in all my videos but you won't ever get by your own :P

    • @fearnpol4938
      @fearnpol4938 Před 3 lety +4

      I can, I have an original ‘69 and ‘70 jmp50 and 2x12 cabs with pro Rola greenbacks.
      But I rarely get to crank them anymore and have thought of selling them on but I’ve had both since circa 1991.

    • @taxo
      @taxo Před 3 lety

      @@fearnpol4938 well as long as you can crank them at least once in a month, it's worth it.

    • @HiHello-ku1fl
      @HiHello-ku1fl Před 3 lety +1

      @@fearnpol4938 Get a VHT Power Station PS1. It is a reactive load that you can hook 2 amps up with and bring down the volume. It's very transparent and has a tube power amp as well. All the pro's in the 80's started using loads so they could crank their amps up and then ran them to another power amp for final volume setting. You can use Impulse Responses with this thing too. Also if you are running just one head you have 2 seperate volumes and EQ's on the power amp which makes it great for live when needing a volume bump for leads. Most of all it's just a very transparent load so you can play your cranked up amps at a low volume. Worth it's weight in gold. It's a reactive load so it's not like typical attenuators than ruin your tone.

  • @jcoulter43
    @jcoulter43 Před 3 lety +7

    Whenever you want to get rid of either of these, give me a call! 🤣 Both sound amazing. Maybe a bit more gain on tap from the reissue, but I wouldn't throw either one of them away. God bless and rock on 😎🎸👍

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks J! ;-)

    • @dreyn7780
      @dreyn7780 Před 2 lety

      More pixels to the amplification sound.
      The old sound has 240 pixels and the reissue has 200,000 pixels to the sound image.

  • @stevegardiner8473
    @stevegardiner8473 Před 3 lety +4

    Great video Johan. I had an original one of these amps, sold it around 25 years ago. I still miss it. It's the one piece of gear I regret not owning anymore. The 2016 model seems break up into overdrive much more at low volume.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 3 lety +1

      Yeah the headroom of the 1987X is non existent 😆

    • @tomasvanecek8626
      @tomasvanecek8626 Před 2 lety

      Typical for metal panel JMP (replica of 72,73) ... what would you expect :))
      It gives you a nice feedback at anything above 2

  • @BcBaxley
    @BcBaxley Před 3 lety +8

    Lets just say they did a good job on the Reissue 😎🤘

  • @R1GAMBLER
    @R1GAMBLER Před 3 lety +2

    I prefer the reissue tone but would love to own the vintage just for the mojo. My man's videos never disappoint!

  • @mariannwatt2678
    @mariannwatt2678 Před 3 lety +2

    I have a 1968 50 w head ive had it for 35 years the x model sounds close i love old marshalls and fenders j watt axehammer

  • @thekingofelfland3294
    @thekingofelfland3294 Před 3 lety +1

    That 2016 is good enough for me..... Serious contender.

  • @LateBoomerGR
    @LateBoomerGR Před 3 lety

    Just wanted to say that I really appreciate your videos. Your knowledge and ability to relay it to others is not something easily found. Thanks again

  • @soapboxearth2
    @soapboxearth2 Před 5 měsíci

    Im going to build one of these soon. Been thinkinv about cascading the inputs and adding a Lar Mar.
    The quest for bedroom level vintage tone continues!

  • @GlennSpitzer-mi4cl
    @GlennSpitzer-mi4cl Před rokem

    i was a blues rock guitar weirdo in the 80's in Wi and rarely seen a real Marshall or pre CBS, like gold. Before internet!

  • @bluesful
    @bluesful Před 3 lety +4

    I think the RI sounds really good and would make a great amp for anyone. The 1970 does sound better to my ears though - just great tone. I'd be happy with either.

  • @vinicioserafini5929
    @vinicioserafini5929 Před 3 lety +1

    I bought a 1987x a couple of years ago, after seeing your "Marshall 1987X - Even better than the real thing?" video. The bright cap made it pretty unusable at low volumes, but after removing it the amp became a real beast and it's been one of my favourite amps since then.

    • @chanceterrill5346
      @chanceterrill5346 Před 3 lety +1

      You just gotta glue volume one on 10! Get a ppi installed n you'll be loving the bright cap, curious, what value was the bright cap? 500 or 1000 or 4700.....? Maybe a lower value would let u get the balance your looking for? Without the bright cap is fine but it's more like bass 50 then, I guess it's still split cathode though so it's between a lead and bass..... Ur right though low volume sucks with bright cap, but once you get past 5 on volume it starts bleeding off and adds a little pizzazz to things instead of overpowering them

    • @vinicioserafini5929
      @vinicioserafini5929 Před 3 lety

      @@chanceterrill5346 I get it but I really dig the clean tone you can get from this kind of amp at volume 2-3, they are sometimes considered one trick ponies that are made just to be cranked but really they are not. Any bright cap, in the end, would give me a little less really clean headroom, so I ended up enjoying it without one. This way I can crank it and enjoy it 100% in its "beast mode" but still I can use it at low volumes and it will also take pedals much much better.
      I like to use it on 2/3 for pedals or 10 on its own, so you know, I don't really need that cap.

  • @johncrapper2088
    @johncrapper2088 Před 3 lety +2

    JMPs kill I own a 77 100 watt and a 78 50 watt. Very comparable to my 83 canadian JCM 800 2203 and my 84 JCM 2204 which I bought from Fury studios. Cheers Johan. Great vid..

  • @artysanmobile
    @artysanmobile Před 3 lety

    The top one in the thumbnail is my exact head, though mine is actually in as-new shape. I bought it new in the summer of 1970 and cherish it. I have rented it to many players for studio work for more money than it cost to buy, per day.
    It’s a very simple amplifier so I would expect the X model to sound identical if biased and tube-d equally but….. there is something magical about that vintage head with the signature on the back. If I am every broke and homeless, I will steal a shopping cart just so I can carry around that 48lb head. It’s like owning fine art, appreciating in value every year.

  • @eldyko
    @eldyko Před 3 lety +1

    Sounds great through the whole video! Really love your Les Paul and your groovy style! Thanks for another goodie!!

  • @tompetty3345
    @tompetty3345 Před 3 lety +3

    Nice clean tones and the slightly overdriven tone where these amps sound great. I may be wrong about the exact models but I believe Dickey and Duane favored these amps. Nice demo!

    • @thepirhomancer9745
      @thepirhomancer9745 Před 3 lety +1

      Tom your back👏 Seems like I remember reading that Duane used the 50w while Dickey favored the 100w

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks, glad you like it! I read Duane used a 1968 50W bass model 1986

  • @danwilson9530
    @danwilson9530 Před 3 lety +1

    I just picked up an unmolested early '73 1987 that's pre-PCB. Cool to hear the comparison. I agree with those who pointed out the reissue is a little more gainy, but both sound damn good.

  • @marksguitars5617
    @marksguitars5617 Před 3 lety +1

    very cool amps. Marshall did a great job with the reissues, sounds just slightly different than the originals but both equally great amps. Thanks for sharing, Johan, love the tracks you've been laying down, stay safe

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks Mark! I’m really glad you like the songs!

  • @jahjah67
    @jahjah67 Před 3 lety +1

    Basically indistinguishable. I think the '70 is just a tiny bit sweeter but the tolerance difference I imagine would be about the same with three different '70's. There's usually one that will standout. Nice video, Johan!

  • @siegfriedwashburn3484
    @siegfriedwashburn3484 Před 3 lety +3

    Hi, Johan!
    More I liked the old original one. Much more. The mix is perfect. C.U.
    Z.

  • @MusicHyde
    @MusicHyde Před 3 lety +2

    Great comparison, the reissue seems to have more gain but they sound VERY close !

  • @johnk1045
    @johnk1045 Před 3 lety +1

    I finally remembered the song which the riff you were playing comes from,
    ‘I’ll supply the love’ by Toto.

  • @andyhayes7828
    @andyhayes7828 Před 2 lety +1

    The reissue sounds more like the old records than the original imo 👍

  • @rtosborne4
    @rtosborne4 Před 3 lety +1

    Love your playing on this one, Johan (mind you, it's always good, just especially so here)!

  • @mack1mus
    @mack1mus Před 3 lety +3

    Loved both, but I thought the 2016 had more punch, &.sustain. Notes on 1970 seemed to not carry as long. Great clip Johan👍🏼

  • @ralphwest8156
    @ralphwest8156 Před 3 lety

    Wow such a great video' ...Marshall vs Marshall and the R9' ...what is not to like' ...great riff great tones' thanks for powering up the day'

  • @univalve1
    @univalve1 Před měsícem

    i changed my caps out to NOS mustards and put a black plate RCA 12ax7 in V1. i have a 1959HW. man it made a difference. it sounded great before, but these changes pulled it back by about 5-10% from what they JJ tube had it at. JJ 12ax7 was really hot. i think it sounds more correct now. the JJ and other caps just had the amp too driven. plus a boost pedal can always add it back if wanted

  • @Vaughn6886
    @Vaughn6886 Před rokem

    Both sound great. A lot of the great tone is coming from the cab and speakers

  • @flatsix666
    @flatsix666 Před 3 lety +11

    The reissue is slightly more 'polite' compared to the original, which has more 'attitude' :)

    • @jasonsapp792
      @jasonsapp792 Před 3 lety +1

      I like that...more polite, absolutely...that 1970 is grumpy and slightly rude, love it!!

    • @dreyn7780
      @dreyn7780 Před 2 lety

      The old sound is just dull vibrating strings with a warm bottom end which is useless in a band or recording situation.
      They had to make the guitarist sound unique and not disappear in the sound of the band.
      Its actually more sensitive to what your doing.
      Its acting like someone has zoomed in the pickups listening ability.
      We clearly hear your fingers slipping across the strings.
      Finger sounds are very dull from the old amp. That amp is just the dull sound of vibrating strings.
      Its compareable to 4K, 3 million pixels TV versus 420pixels TV.

  • @cullenj7501
    @cullenj7501 Před 3 lety +2

    Great song Johan! Thx again!

  • @crflores76
    @crflores76 Před 3 lety +1

    Thanks for share dear johan, the reissue is more bite and brighter, but more “open sound”, fresh (maybe the filters and capacitors), but really good both. Good tones!

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 3 lety

      Thanks!

    • @crflores76
      @crflores76 Před 3 lety

      @@JohanSegeborn but there’sa great differences at low volume (reissue gives more overdrive)

  • @josephfemoyer7218
    @josephfemoyer7218 Před 3 lety

    Johan videos are never boring

  • @markmarshall7939
    @markmarshall7939 Před 3 lety

    The reissue has a touch more gain & high end where the 1970 is warmer and has better note definition without the "smear". The original output transformer probably accounts for that. Great job as always!

  • @MikelBluni
    @MikelBluni Před 2 lety

    The Reissue sounds superb 🎸👍

  • @SirVicc
    @SirVicc Před 3 lety +2

    Both amps would do me good. And I love the song. Classic rock with a funky groove. Seems to be your style.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks Vic! I’m really glad to hear that!

  • @rocker8692
    @rocker8692 Před 3 lety

    I love Marshall amps,but I played a Wizard,loving that amp.

  • @DANTHETUBEMAN
    @DANTHETUBEMAN Před 2 lety

    I like that 87x it has a good brown sound.
    Two good Amps

  • @karlmoore6354
    @karlmoore6354 Před rokem

    Really liking the vintage amp more here just listening on my iPhone lol

  • @joelmahan
    @joelmahan Před 7 měsíci

    I like them both-I’ve got a new 1987 on the list-btw I think if you put a dozen 1970 Marshall’s back to back they would all sound a little different 😎

  • @nigel900
    @nigel900 Před 3 lety

    Two great amps.

  • @screamingcorpselord7254
    @screamingcorpselord7254 Před 3 lety +2

    Very responsible placing the Carlsberg on the floor!

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 3 lety +1

      Hahaha! Yeah I’m trying to put it out of sight but it has a tendency of showing up everywhere 🤣

  • @alanst.4417
    @alanst.4417 Před 3 lety +1

    Love these classic Johan, Marshall and Gibson videos! 🤘 They were just meant to be together. Both amps sound great, but very different at low volumes. It seems as if the reissue saturated very soon and had little headroom compared to the original?

  • @porpore
    @porpore Před 2 lety

    Johan the Great!! Rock&Roll🤘

  • @AndyDemos
    @AndyDemos Před 3 lety +2

    Gain is obviously higher in the reissue, that thing has got some feedback! I wonder how close they'd be with the same preamp tubes. Either way, it shows that these reissues are great sounding when the volume is high enough!

    • @Twobarpsi
      @Twobarpsi Před 3 lety

      Great observation, I thought the same as well.

    • @chanceterrill5346
      @chanceterrill5346 Před 3 lety +2

      I heard it the same n I preferred it over the 70 as well but I would never use the loop unless I wanted to run something else (preamp) through its power section, running something like a delay in the loop gets super messy, the signal gets obliterated by the power tubes saturating, u almost need a separate wet amp for modulation and wet effects with a plexi style amp, or something like the fryette ps100 where the loop is placed after the power tubes

    • @Twobarpsi
      @Twobarpsi Před 3 lety

      @@chanceterrill5346 add delay in the mix.

    • @chanceterrill5346
      @chanceterrill5346 Před 3 lety +1

      @@Twobarpsi or that lol, I just don't have much luck with anything in the fx loop of plexi style amps

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 3 lety +2

      Thanks Andy! Yeah matching of tubes but also adjusting the huge bright cap in the reissue could make them even closer. Cheers!

  • @KyleSG88
    @KyleSG88 Před 3 lety +5

    Pretty close to each other but the reissue is a little less clear and has more fizz to it.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 3 lety +1

      Yeah the mid kick of the original is better

  • @andrewanderson3746
    @andrewanderson3746 Před 3 lety +1

    Drums sound really great here too!

  • @GIBKEL
    @GIBKEL Před 3 lety +1

    This is why I love you Johan...and you effing rock! You keep me dreaming and trying new roads. No shame....no blame. Great track....Talking Heads meets Prince...meets Jimmy Page. Saturation-Fascination as my Kiwi wife would say!

  • @davidhovey5152
    @davidhovey5152 Před 3 lety +5

    Love the QUACK of the original.. missing in the reissue.. but the reissue has a fullness that's quite nice aswell.. I don't think you could go wrong with either and the reissue is not made partially of Unobtanium! 🤣

  • @danielforsberg4018
    @danielforsberg4018 Před 3 lety

    That Marshall from 1970 I modified from 1986 Bass specs to Lead 1987 specs a couple of weeks ago. It was a wreck when I first got it.

  • @mgalbu
    @mgalbu Před 3 lety +2

    Great video Johan, thanks!! May I say I prefer the reissue? There’s a little bit more spark in it even though both amps sound almost the same. Cheers, M.

    • @chanceterrill5346
      @chanceterrill5346 Před 3 lety +2

      U can! I did lol, the 70 sounds like some one walked up to the reissue and turned the presence and treble down, could be that the cap on the presence pot has drifted/leaked and is sending more signal to ground, that would make it not only darker but have less gain as well, many don't realize that the presence knob adds a good bit of gain to the signal, cheers mate

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 3 lety

      Thanks man!

  • @vadlasletta
    @vadlasletta Před 3 lety

    They both sound great! Great playing as always! Kjærleik frå Noreg!

  • @hauntedchannel9163
    @hauntedchannel9163 Před 2 lety +1

    Wow for once the reissue actually sounds better! I need to get one before they dissapear

  • @danielrose703
    @danielrose703 Před 3 lety +4

    Let's go!

  • @amoruzz
    @amoruzz Před 2 lety

    Great job, thank you!

  • @williammacdonald9154
    @williammacdonald9154 Před 3 lety +2

    Hi Johan, I would love to see how you favour your guitar set up. Neck relief, action at first and 12th fret type thing. I know it’s a personal thing, but I enjoy guitar players set ups, Just a suggestion. Thx for your epic videos!!!!

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 3 lety

      Thanks William! That’s a good idea for a video! The action on my guitars actually varies quite a bit.

  • @dnews9519
    @dnews9519 Před 2 lety

    That's a really good reissue

  • @BMitchell
    @BMitchell Před 3 lety

    Excellent video/comparison as always. Monster tone and player. I have the same guitar strap. Good choice lol.

  • @slayjwood
    @slayjwood Před 3 lety +2

    They both sound great! I'm not sure, but I think the reissue is pushing more thru the preamp tubes? I'd vote for the 70's, but just by a little bit!! Great video!!

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 3 lety

      Thanks, yeah the reissue feels a bit less firm in the mids

  • @kesamek8537
    @kesamek8537 Před 3 lety +2

    Good enough for Malmsteen, good enough for me.

  • @skoorb1
    @skoorb1 Před 3 lety +1

    Seems like the '70 has a little more high end, the re- has a little more going in bass, but they sound pretty similar, and they sound great! Probably my fave rock amps ever.

    • @chanceterrill5346
      @chanceterrill5346 Před 3 lety +2

      Crazy how different everyone hears things, I heard the exact opposite, more bite and aggression in the reissue, and the 70 was warmer, fatter, touch more low-end......that said if I could choose one to take home free I would take the 70 so I could sell it, buy the reissue and another les paul! Rock on

  • @dreyn7780
    @dreyn7780 Před 2 lety

    Hi johan,
    After smart technology exposed the band SHOW -YA from japan to half the world after 35 years, I'm listening to music again.
    Thank god for smart technology.
    From your hard work video, its totally obvious marshall did their homework inbetween those 2 amps.
    Its a big difference and I wouldn't bother with the old marshall.
    They got rid of the dull bottom end and increased note sensitivity across the board.
    They've pushed the sound further with their vast experience.
    The old 1 gets retirement and Its everyday for the current model.

  • @VultCult
    @VultCult Před 3 lety

    Chunky all the way! Loved the sounds all the way through. It was really hard to tell a difference. I think the 70's one was just touch thicker, while the re-issue had a little more sustain.

  • @less_concerned1221
    @less_concerned1221 Před 3 lety

    Looks like you had some major surgery going on in the ‘70 with the coupling caps. I really think your bassman sounds much better. On a different note... this is a really good example of the great job Marshall did with the reissue 1987. I played through one quite a few years back at a store. I was pretty amazed. It was not the x, but the one without the effects loop.

  • @attherateofarobase
    @attherateofarobase Před 3 lety

    Johan i've got a couple of ideas that might make these amp comparisons even more interesting:
    1 Use a looper and run that into each amp so that the phrases being used to compare the amps are identical.
    2 Record two guitar DIs to one of your drum tracks and then re-amp those DIs through each amp so you have two DIs each recorded through the first amp hard panned, and then two DIs each recorded through the second amp hard panned.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 3 lety

      Thanks! Yeah I’ve really been thinking about documenting a direct signal but I haven’t so far. Cheers

  • @northmanlogging2769
    @northmanlogging2769 Před 3 lety +15

    I hear no difference, but some of the riffs are pure FIRE.

  • @kennygardner5041
    @kennygardner5041 Před 3 lety

    The reissue I would gig with a tad more gain but the ‘70 sounds AWESOME!!

  • @MarkDelsing
    @MarkDelsing Před 3 lety +1

    As for the two amps, for whatever reason, the 2016 seems much gain-ier at low volumes, as is maybe a little bit more shrill in the top end at high volumes - but it's subtle. Both sound wondserful.

  • @sowhulljnr
    @sowhulljnr Před 3 lety

    I think I preferred the sound of the reissue on this comparison, it just seemed to deliver "more" at all settings. Also the 1987x has the added benefit of an effects loop, making it a pretty versatile option over the original.

  • @voxpathfinder15r
    @voxpathfinder15r Před 3 lety

    As time goes by all the parts that go into the reissue I.e. resistors, caps, diodes, etc - are the same parts that will go to fixing your original amps. And the PCB on the reissue doesn’t have any longer traces than the hand wired. The issue with hand wired vs. pcb has to do with those triple lead circuits and 6 channel monsters that are filled with pcb leads going everywhere. One of those channels might be a super lead or jtm45 , but it’s circuits are jammed into 1/6th the area

  • @darrenc8776
    @darrenc8776 Před 3 lety +2

    The reissue seemed to have a touch more gain/compression? But they were very close.

  • @danilofaggiolino7125
    @danilofaggiolino7125 Před 3 lety +1

    wow nice comparison man. they sound pretty much the same. newer one sound a bit more punchy in the mid range (so a little more overdriven) to my ears.

  • @wrayven
    @wrayven Před 3 lety +1

    Cool demo. I would use that 2016 JMP reissue and sound just fine(sounds better than the late 80's reissue of a 1987). The 70 had a better sound when pushed to 10, but the reissue still had a decent crunch. I bet with consistent use, the 2016 reissue transformers would loosen up a bit and lose some of the harsh top end when pushed hard. For true guitar geekery, you might have considered using the same set of tubes in both amps though it would have slowed the process down.
    Has Marshall ever made a proper reissue of a 77-78 Marshall 2204? Now that's an amp they should consider reissuing.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 3 lety

      Thanks! I agree tubes and biasing should be kept constant if possible. And yeah 77 2204 is a favorite of mine. It would really contribute to Marshalls current line. Cheers

  • @vintagepipesnightmares

    Both great ! I prefer the new one a little better. Thanks !🤟

  • @zachariahwade8482
    @zachariahwade8482 Před 3 lety

    Great video. Can you tell me what your settings/inputs were on the 70 when you had it on 1 and 2.5 ??
    I have a 71 1987 I can’t get that cool low gain sound you’re getting. If I go straight into the bright/top input it breaks up but it’s very harsh and if I stay in that input and jumper bright/low to normal/hi I get a fantastic clean tone but no breakup.

  • @danielemella1758
    @danielemella1758 Před 3 lety

    AMO IL MIO JMP 1987x DEL 2002!!!!!!!!!È BRUTALE..DOLCE... DINAMICA....... DIABOLICA 😈.... HAIL DI'AUL 😈.......❤️

  • @MrJaybunny
    @MrJaybunny Před 3 lety +3

    Always fancied one of these but as an essentially gigging guitarist I thought it might be too much of a one trick pony. Now I really want one . Still worried that there is no cleans available.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 3 lety +1

      Hi! The reissue has very lite cleans but the original had some killer cleans but you’d need mic the cab

    • @zachariahwade8482
      @zachariahwade8482 Před 3 lety

      My 71 1987 has lots of clean headroom if you jump the channels even with a LP Standard

  • @Turboy65
    @Turboy65 Před 3 lety +2

    There's a little more smoke in the reissue's tone. Not quite as clear as the original but very tasty in its own right. Both are worthy amps in their own right.

  • @shredgd5
    @shredgd5 Před 3 lety

    The Reissue has more gain below 10 on the volume, but same gain at 10. I suspect a different value bright cap (might be 470p on the 1970 vs 4.7n on the Reissue). Other than this, on 10 I only maybe hear very slightly more presence on the Reissue, but they otherwise sound exactly the same.

  • @larrybethune3909
    @larrybethune3909 Před 3 lety

    Close enough for rock and roll I think.

  • @bengtjohansson6364
    @bengtjohansson6364 Před 3 lety +1

    I can hear just a slight difference when quickly switching between e.g. 2:06 and 2:42, the re-issue a little bit brighter (at least when listening through standard PC speakers). Seems like Marshall did a good job on this re-issue. I wonder how it will sound in 2067?
    With volume at 1 (at the end of then video) the difference was obvious. Did that depend on guitar volume?
    Difficult to beat this signal chain: Johan => '59 model LP => JMP => 1982A. What are the speakers in the cab?

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks Bengt! The cab has the stock 1968 Celestion G12H 30 55Hz Greenbacks.