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This week on Zero Punctuation, Yahtzee reviewed Cyberpunk 2077.
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#ZeroPunctuation - Hry
No new Zero Punctuation on the website this week as Yahtzee is on break. Awards episode will be up on the website next Wednesday (January 6th).
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I was checking the website searching
Yahtzee is a trooper at making videos. He deserves the break.
Our prayers have been answered! Thanks for making our year Ben!
He deserves it.
I accidentally aimed my gun at a civilian who responded by T-posing, probably in order to seem larger and thus make me go away. Most immersive bug ever!
Well did you kill them?
@@Shiekism No, he was huge and scary. xD
@@Pile_of_carbon So you're telling me that T-posing is a viable strategy in combat?
@@DastardlyDawar in 2077 it is
@@vickywing6049 What
Cyberpunk 2077 is great
Can’t wait till it’s out of early access!
So when are they adding the vikings into cyberpunk
Same here!
Overusing the hell out the word "great"
Wich has better melee combat? CP2077 or For Honor?
@@alexdao222 light spam is equally boring and effective in both
That analogy at the end was amazing; "You've given me too much of this and most of it isn't done, and it isn't what I wanted anyway. Also, why's that guy chained to the wall?"
Yeah I was surprised at how fair Yahtzee was to it. Cyberpunk has a lot of bad but it also has a lot of good, but I think what hurt the game was that CDPR was *too* ambitious. All that extra junk is probably what threw the game into a state of broken mess
@@NoahDaArk if you read some notes about development it will soon start showing that it wasn't ambition but incompetence on the management sidr
I do hope after phantom liberty he gives it a re-review like no man's sky. The way he talked about it makes me think after 1.7 (2.0? unclear) re-works like half the game, combined with all the past re-works and bug fixes, he'll really be able to enjoy it.
Can we appreciate the irony that a game dedicated to "F-U corporations you ruin everything"
Was ruined by a money hungry corporation that forced its workers to make an incomplete buggy mess?
As with several kinds of people or entities, though in the us the latter are considered the former sometimes when they ought not to be, irony is lost on corporations.
I find it very funny that one of the devs pointed exactly that on one of their meeting.
Mayyyybe PART of the problem was a consumer base that screamed about both delays and crunch/overtime, forcing them to release before it was totally ready.
@@scottmacgregor3444 that wouldn't have been a problem if they hadn't announced it so early and promised a impossible release date, forcing them to delay multiple times.
@@scottmacgregor3444 there's a bit of a difference between entitled impatience and concerns over workers health and rights.
as the old saying goes ... "I want shorter games with worse graphics made by people who are paid more to work less and I'm not even kidding."
Some of us with poor vision have trouble telling if there's that big a difference between 30 and 60 fps anyway. And sometimes you can make up for that dip in graphical quality by using creative designs. Kingdoms of Amalur and its re-release don't look all that special despite their age, but I've always felt that the unique look of the game can make up for it. And we don't need every hair of a horse's tail to be individually animated or for said horse to take a dump in real time. It got praised at the time because of how fancy such graphical achievements were, but RDR2 probably could've been even better if they hadn't done that, or at the very least they probably could've had less crunch.
@@Japaneseanimeguy Poor vision doesn't translate to poor *fluidity* of vision. You'll still be able to see if a chunk of blurred whatever is moving jankily or fluidly. If you have a preference to high graphical fidelity over frames, just say that. You don't need to make stuff up.
a reminder that despite what Bobby and Yves trot out every fucking fiscal year, no one, not even the plebs, wanted "bigger games" with "bigger budgets". It's a corporate lie.
It was an anti-competition tactic by the big publishers that paid major dividends at the end of the 7th generation, wiping out AA gems completely, allowing further cut and paste design and forcing major micro transactions into places they don't fucking belong. The results are a lower number of shittier, more shallow and boring, exorbitantly priced games with the ability to endlessly spend.
Innovation and the aim of pure "fun" are only found in small indie developers now with the very rare exception. It obviously was not like this just a decade ago.
Ah... So Bugthesda games then.
@@Billy-ww3uv his point is that the difference between 30 and 60 fps is not worth someone being worked to the point of a mental brake down to him
I thought invisible pants are the future of fashion
Technically not naked
Apparently, the police didn't agree..
Think back at "the emperor new clothes". Nothing new about it
You say that, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised
No, no, you’re thinking of pants worn inside-out.
3:02 It's actually kind of amazing that you've managed to perfectly portray somebody folding their arms with a character with no arms
Haha boobs
The perk that prevents you from getting spotted while underwater despite the fact that there aren’t any parts where you even could get spotted underwater perfectly summarizes how half-baked this game is. They just bit off way more than they could chew and what we got wasn’t worth any amount of hype.
Playing it a year later and it's still a shame th execs forced the team to rush. It really is a fun RPG with heavy emphasis on RPG.
@@handgun559 Though it's still a buggy mess.
@@Huntracony oh God yes
@@Huntracony it's at the Skyrim or New Vegas level of buggy, where most of the bugs are minor annoyances or sources of unintentional comedy
There should be a perk that makes you stronger as long as you're not in night city despite that being like, 99% of the setting
We live in the world of:
“Hey! Our new game will be released in October 2020!”
Me: “awesome! Can’t wait to play it in February 2022!
I am seriously disappointed you chose 2022 rather than 2077 for this joke. :)
@@lordtaitos4212 Don't worry, 2022 will definitely be an apt release date for God of War 2.
@@Manganization god of war 2 came out in 2007
@@samlawrenz9795 i believe they are talking about Norse God of War 2 since they stopped numbering them after 3.
We also live in the world of:
Game developers: "Hey, we need about another 4 months to get this game as good as we want it to be."
Company bosses: "Awesome! I can't wait to release the finished product in two weeks."
I have a sneaking suspicion that Cyberpunk’s stark yellow box art was a marketing ploy meant to garner favor with Yahtzee.
i agree.
It didn’t work. It did not work.
Don’t know why they thought that would work. He’s notoriously vicious to games that attempt to pander to him.
Either that, or it's just stained from all the critics, customers, and mistreated devs pissing on it.
@@hedgehoundable It did work, he’s said he likes the game it’s just... missing some things.
Canonical explanation for glitches: “people are so ingrained with technology that they themselves started giltching
That would make a good plot actually. Get to work you madman you.
Funny enough, some bugs are legit that that people thought were bugs. Like the dudes who teleport about
There are people out there who seem to bring out the worst in technology. Imagine being a cyborg and walking past one of those people...
If only they'd made a Matrix game this would actually have been a good excuse.
@@DGneoseeker1 *points at the three matrix games made in the early 2000’s*
That last line is surprisingly fitting. "but I ordered a salad!", yeah and I bought a role-playing game, but got a looter shooter, so we have that in common.
You explained the joke, congrats.
@@jgal7979 I know, I'm a comedic genius for appreciating a great joke. Don't hate me for the upvotes =P
@@jgal7979 i didnt play cyberpunk so having that spelled out helped me at least :(
"uniquely dressed in some way like a cross between a character from lazytown and a cenobite" - i snorted.
takes between 10 to 15 hours to get a matching suit in this goddamn mess. and you dont get transparent coats nor velociraptor legs. really big mistake to not feature a saints row style shop...
Aquarium gravel?
@@Joostuh Ya thats about the most random way iv heard someone refur to drugs, most likely coke.
@@Joostuh You nailed it!
I can imagine that perfectly
“...Also not to make a fuss, BUT I ORDERED A SALAD!”
Perfect.
Makes a good point, I really enjoyed RDR2 story wise but there were times I was wishing it wasn't as "realistic". I did really enjoy it & next time will ignore everything & just do the story
@@hannayman4448 Lol when was it ever realistic in any aspect other than the visuals or sound design?
@@sirbibton you don't eat, your stamina sucks, you don't sleep, your aim is off, you don't clean your horse or yourself, you smell. Don't wear the correct clothes, you're either too hot or cold. Don't clean your guns, they jam. That's just some of the mechanics involved.
Hannayman don't forget the stupid focus on the horse's genitalia.
I mean... isn't that like going to a restaurant that only serves potato dishes and expecting a steak ? if you didn't expect CyberGTA: Yakuza, but actually just futuristic FPS Witcher 3, then there is amazing game there under the bugs. rockstar has been polishing their sandbox mechanics for 20+ years, while CDPR only tried to do a bit more than they have done for the last 10 years.
For me, I was missing clothes after every Silverhand segment. I eventually realised that this happened because the game tried to equip all Silverhand items I had but they were level-locked, so I could only wear his sunglasses, vest and jacket. I had the shoes/trousers in my inventory but wasn't a high enough level to use them so being half naked was clearly the sensible option.
This all aside, I really enjoyed _Johnny Mnemonic._
Still the best "someone's cybernetic brain implant gets hacked by a heroine-addicted dolphin" film that I've ever seen.
I don't remember the game being very good.
I want the club sandwich.
I want roomservice
@@fierysmile2929 are you a member?
Yahtzee nailed the immersion thing in this game. It CAN be incredibly immersive, but then there are little things that just rip you out of it. Sometimes bugs or glitches, sometimes missing features or quirks in design. Likewise parts of the story are incredible, then sometimes you hit a gap where it seems like maybe they just forgot about that entirely. Too much of this game felt like they needed more time or resources to patch bugs or flesh out mechanics.
I do feel like Cyberpunk will be awesome given two years more time lol. I started playing it, but after seeing enough bugs in my short time with it, I decided it can sit in my library for awhile while they bake it a bit longer.
Replace Cyberpunk with Skyrim and nothing about Yahtzee's review would change. Kinda strange.
@@thesmokingjacket645 Cyberpunk is *absolutely* the modern gen Skyrim. Or maybe Fallout 76 would be a closer equivalent. Either way.
@@ForgeReaper It's been in development since 2016 they were thinking to split the studio to work on withcer 3 and cyberpunk but decided just to focus on the withcer so it's been in development for 4 years and they scraped part of their story so Keanu could get a bigger role in it
This is why i think that just because a game is delayed, doesn't mean it's "eventually good", it means that they devs don't manage their time properly, and/or they don't use it wisely
Finally, the hottest property of 2020 has dropped! Yahtzee's latest novel "Will Destroy the Galaxy for Cash" is out on paperback!
Also there's some game here. But who watches Yahtzee for games?
Has anyone read it yet? Im curious and am seeking a fun, adventurous read for my list, I seriously doubt it shit the bed lol
@@FriezaSucks I'm currently listening to the audiobook. It's a sequel to "Will Save the Galaxy for Food". I would recommend the audiobooks because he narrates them himself which just adds something you will miss from the printed version. They are light and fun. I enjoyed the first and I am enjoying this one as well.
*physical e-book
@@plc_memes I couldn’t help myself from reading Will Save the Galaxy for Food in Yahtzee’s voice. But there is something nice about curling up with a good book.
That last metaphor was incredible, this is why Yahtzee is the best reviewer out there. He may have a tendency to only talk about the parts of the game he wasn't fond of, but he will tell you with the most eloquent toilet humor you've ever heard. Always a treat!
"Trying to get home from Fortitude Valley at 1 in the morning."
Ouch... That hit hard man.
Hahaha, same mate.
It's a Unique feeling.
He's not wrong.
I know. But I do wonder how many others know that feeling.
Even if you live two streets away, it’s still a long walk with the amount of homeless people kicking it around
"I didn't craft Jack fucking Thompson in this game!"
Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time...
I also did a double take.. hell of a curveball
I didn't get that one...
A long time
@@iseeu-fp9po It's a play on the phrase "jack shit" but used "Jack Thompson" who was one of the most famous hurr-durr-videogames-cause-violence attornies that tried to get GTA games banned.
That was so long ago that I didn’t even remember after googling him.
Not even after seeing his face and holding up a GTAVC case
"Let's all laugh at an industry that never learns anything tee hee hee."
Considering the fanboyism around this game reaxhed a point where the game was months away from release but had a masterpiece tag on steam id say the fans are also guilry of not learning anything
I'm laughing more at the consumers. Well I say laughing, more like crying.
@@mohammedsami6907 either give it the masterpiece tag or never pre-review another game for cd projekt red ever again.
@@mohammedsami6907 Let's all laugh at a hype train wreck that never learns anything, kek kek kek.
I've never understood the hype surrounding CD Projekt Red
Just remember ladies and gentleman. Whenever you next feel useless, there is in fact a cyberpunk version Xbox One that can't play cyberpunk.
Weirdly the Xbox One runs it better than the PS4 (base in both)
Yes it can play Cyberpunk
@@MisterAlerion I mean you can technically play it, if by play you can insert/install the game, load it up and walk around for a while.
@@dustojnikhummer That's strange. Aren't they both x86-64 machines?
@@RAFMnBgaming Yes, but they are slow. Remember, they were underpowered even when they launched 7 years ago
"wonder how much overtime the keanu reeves likeness rights could've paid for"
big oof
you say that like they would have given the extra money to the employees, and not the CEOs
Hilarious that people think game developers get overtime! Its your choice of pizza and the chance of a "completion bonus".....
And the shareholders.
That money was probably always going to marketing which often has the lion's share of the development budget in the hopes that they can sell the game better than the reviewers and let's players can.
@@EatingPlayDough Nothing new under the sun really. I constatly read headlines like "Gaming studio fires most of its staff", "Gaming studio treats employees horribly". You'd think those devs know what they're doing when they decide to become a part of such companies.
@@mikshinee87 where else are they supposed to work?
That's the thing with immersion. It doesn't take more than just an asset that does not fit, an out of place sound effect or even misplaced joke to completely launch you out of that sense of immersion. With something allready so delicate, graphical bugs do it absolutely no favor.
Agreed. But even just gameplay can take you out of it. FF7 is my game of the year, and I was loving it up until you meet Aerith again and they have these stupid video-gamey block pushing segments. You’re making your own game weaker with this shit!
If anything, it's an argument for lower fidelity but greater cohesion and atmosphere. Massive photorealistic games are already unsustainable, and having more people on the project doesn't make it any better. It takes a lot to make a stew, but too many cooks can indeed spoil the broth.
Case in point, That Avengers Scam had 500 people working on it, dragging both Eidos Montréal AND Crystal Dynamics into the development process. And not only did that result in a soup that was at once both bland AND rancid (with a hint of something vaguely appealing underneath), but it also prevented the development of more Deus Ex and Tomb Raider. I've said this a lot before, and I'll keep on saying it even as some Nazi jackboot cracks my skull: Squenix lost a lot more money than what they reported on That Avengers Scam. If they'd instead given the go-ahead for Eidos Montréal to make the next Deus Ex, and approved of yet another instalment in the Tomb Raider series, they would have made a lot more money than they ever could have made from That Avengers Scam.
Peoples' immersion-brains have varying degrees of resilience. I don't care at all for photorealism, and Cyberpunk is buggy as all hell, but I was still able to be absorbed and enjoy the hell out of it.
@Logan ByrdYeah, I've found myself having a number of moments post mission similar to what Yahtzee described. But I was taken out of that experience by eventually needing to open the menu and figure out where I wanted to go next, no bugs involved. Immersion has to end eventually, those moments are inherently fleeting.
@Logan Byrd I don't care about the bugs those will get fixed and you can ignore them. But the people calling this game immersive at all are actually insane. Literally bonkers. Ai, gameplay, interactions. If by immersive you mean you're a terminator going from generic map icon to map icon shooting everything dead in 20 seconds at each location before driving away to the next location, then uhh yeah cool immersive lol. But if you at all try to live in this world then ultima had more immersion
“Wonder how much over time the Keanu Reeves likeness rights could’ve paid for”
Hot damn Yahtzee! Can you proverbially kick CDPR in the teeth for the treatment of their devs just one more time? For me?
CDPR must ascribe to the 9 woman can make a baby in 1 month idea
The Keanu Reeves cameo was a nice surprise but it ends up being little more than bait that was probably really expensive to pay for.
@@phoebeaurum7113 It's not just a cameo though. He's in it as much as the main character and is arguably as important or more important than the main character. You also play as him in quite a few missions. He also shows up in a ton of side missions. They included him in the game basically as much as possible.
As much as I agree with the sentiment, am I the only one that feels like CDPR has been getting kicked a little too much for this? They've admitted every mistake and taken every action to rectify them, yet all anyone has talked about is how shitty they are and now they're getting sued. The games industry has had significantly worse companies do significantly worse things but for some reason we can't stop kicking CDPR while they're down.
@@bobdude0987654321 Because games journalists all piled onto the CDPR hate and everyone is falling for it, meanwhile it's an industry-wide issue. Wouldn't be surprised if those articles were bought and paid for by the likes of EA and Ubisoft. Also, stockholders looking to make even more money even though Cyberpunk has already made a shitton of money.
Yahtzee should revisit cyberpunk 2077 now that version 2.0 and Phantom Liberty are here, it's a vastly different game now.
Is it worth playing now?
@@allentom97It was worth playing in the update before 2.0, so definitely yes!
@@allentom97def worth playing, as someone who was excited for it, saw it was a disaster, and didnt play until they fixed the immersion nuclear bomb that was the police system (so 2.0)
Played since 2.0, game is legitimately amazing and kinda what i wanted the square enix deus ex to be (actual social commentary thats NOT just about "augmentations", immersive sim gameplay, verticality and more interesting environments) with some light gripes.
The beginning is still terribly paced and feels like scenes were hacked out with a machete, but the pace smooths out by the title drop. I also dont like how urgent the main quest is or how little the life paths alter things. Besides that though, game is fantastic
@@JEPHD @Telcontar86 Thanks for the input - will check it out
It's weird to see a game with such a long dev cycle where they worked their employees half to death still come across as so unfinished. It's almost like it's a bad idea to have mandatory overtime during a "sprint" that lasts 9 months.
Have you played the Witcher 3? Better yet, did you play it when it came out? After watching Roach's antics, the car physics in Cyberpunk should have surprised no one. Should being the operative word :)
Turns out people do better work when they aren't miserable and exhausted. Who knew?
@@runningcommentary2125 no wonder Hades is such a good game with FORCED VACATIONS
@@nimz8521 it's a component of the game trying to be larger than it needed. Perfection isn't achieved when you reach a point, you arrive at it when you remove everything that isn't important.
The buildup always makes the release more enjoyable even given its shortcummings - Until you finish and then you're just left with this hollow shell of an experience. Wait.. what was I talking about again.
Knowing Yahtzee, I was expecting a HUGE beatdown. Surprisingly, he was relatively tame with this one. Still funny, though.
probably cause the rest of the internet has done his job for him, remember how he didn't join in on the Fallout 76 debacle?
Worse: he’s not mad, just disappointed 😞
idk probably b/c he actually likes it 🤷♂️
Considering it was straight up pulled from stores, absolutely Everyone has been going very very easy on CDPR.
The game is a failure, the ctunch was a failure. They need to apologize to their workforce and learn to manage.
@@discoduck3785 Your right. Even though I enjoyed playing it (on a base Xbox One, at that), to the people that felt screwed over, they have all the rights in the world to be upset. I was able to look past the glitches and the performance issues, but there shouldn't have been as many glitches as there were. performance issues were kind of expected since a month before it's December 10 launch, it was delayed due to issues running on the Xbox One X and PS4 Pro, and while they did manage to fix them, if they had issues running it, then there was bound to be issues on the base consoles.
Zero Punctuation indie rock track name of the week: *The Visual Space Was Crowded With Icons* (sung by *Cronenbergesque Teleportation Accident* )
Runner-up: *If My Trousers Hadn't Just Turned Invisible Again* (sung by *Triple A Horse Plop Plop* )
When the _opening line_ includes "what starts with 'suh-' and ends with '-punk'", you know you've hit Peak Yahtzee.
I'm sure the bogans appreciated the Fortitude Valley callout too.
i'll never know why it's called fortitude valley, it's at the top of a gentle slope on the side of a river. our forebears were idiots
@@MrOsmodeus It was named after an old immigrant ship
Source: Plaque near the commbank atm on Wickham
I was kinda hoping he would harp more on the whole dev vs management thing. Yeah there were a few good one liners thrown in but in a rather unique twist the management staff at CDPR actually admitted the game sucking ass was their fault and that they rushed the developers to try and meet the holiday season. Everyone know that the game IS buggy but exploring deeper into WHY is a lot more interesting. The only thing the devs could have realistically done that they didn't already do would probably be to ritualistically sacrifice all of upper management and hang their heads on pikes as warnings to the next C levels who get promoted
Damn fucking straight. Heavy must be the head that bears the crown. One must always be aware of the fragility of their flesh and the strength of the disgruntled. Those higher-up must always remember that, if so inclined, their underlings could easily tear upper-management limb from limb. Executives are still squishy and fragile like every human being.
Yahtzee is an entertainer first, and an industry critic second. He generally hits both of those boxes spectacularly, but when forced to choose between them he picks funny more often than not.
By the time this video came out, there wasn't much new to be said on the subject anyway.
I took his criticism to be at the company as a whole not specifically devs, cause you'd hardly think devs would be responsible for enslaving other devs. It takes more than just devs to see any software to a successful release. The other end of this spectrum is Star Citizen which is essentially dev managed and it keeps scope-creeping in to the eternal void. You need a director with a clear precise vision, devs who accurately point/estimate the effort to complete the needed features, and QA/Product managers that are willing to problem solve when there are risks to the roadmap... and of course management that is willing to listen to all those folk when making the difficult decision of what counts as finished enough to release and how long it will take to get there.
its actually surprising that they didn't let the devs take the bullet. when things like that usually happen is when a studio dies. I mean, Bethesda has done it intentionally to force Human Head Studio into an hostile takeover, other companies just use fuck ups as opportunity to close down studios and seize their assets. sure, CDPR studio and publisher are one and the same, but still, to not just find a scape goat was impressive.
@@danilooliveira6580 Blaming themselves is the scapegoat, the true culprit is stockholders demanding their Q4 bonus of infinite plus one dollars so their options were to ruin their reputation with the fickle consumer or get sued homeless by loan sharks.
I ain't surprised he went easy on this one. After all, it gave him what he wants out of games that's in short supply: A great narrative with good acting to give it life, and gameplay that complements it. Things that show this game has some soul in it. Immersion into the world takes a hit when the bugs take you out of the experience but with time, these will be fixed one by one. I'm pretty sure we all agree the game needed more time in the oven, and the cooks needed more smoke breaks, it doesn't gloss over the fact that the game DOES provide the first 2 things I mentioned. You can patch out the bugs but a bad story is bad forever.
I see you glossed over the parts where he discussed how a number of story missions are bad and the RPG elements are often lacking.
@@Silverizael care to enlighten me when in the video? he complained about the bugs fucking the immersion out of the game, and tech stat being useless to him but that's it. granted, crafting has almost zero combat perks. just increasing the performance of crafted equipment by a percentage, and increasing your efficiency in dismantling and assembling gear, but i poured a fuckton of points into it so i can make legendary gear myself instead spending money.
I’ve heard that the side quests are as good, if not better, than the main ones!
@@bottomlefto Yeah I'll enlighten you. The bugs aren't the issue as they will get fixed but are instead being used by games media to memory hole the permanent issues. Ai, interactivity, litany of broken promises and false marketing. I'm not going into it, you can look up the plethora of user generating content on reddit and smaller content creators who have addressed the issues in detail. But every major outlet for games media just regurgitates the same brainless critic bUgS eWwW
@@user-hx5hu4wx4k Lol how can you say you are going to "enlighten" someone then not give any facts and tell them to do it? You cant read reddit and act like you know everything about this game, you form your own opinions by playing the game, as I and many others have. Not saying the game is perfect but it is certainly not trash like many are saying, the cop ai is bad and that's the only problem I had with this game. I went in to it expecting a deus ex/ fallout and that's pretty much exactly what I got and cant complain. I played on PC with a 3700x and 2060 super and never had a crash, but I sure did experience bugs.
The first NPC I encountered that was T-posing was in a nightclub, and I must admit I just chalked it up to them being off their tits on drugs and just quietly vibing rather than a glitch in the Matrix... I mean game. Of course, when I came across a random guard doing it as he floated down a ladder about 2 levels later that one was a bit more immersion-breaking.
My only point I want to bring up on here is, Johnny Silverhand existed long before the game. I don't think Keanu had much creative input for him.
He was actually based on David Bowie.
I don‘t think Yahtzee thought that, or tried to imply that
@@koryfredrick1164 no, he implies that Johnny had input over how cool and good at sex he was. Comparing him to gene Simmons??? Nah.
@@RJBond121 No he says his character is written LIKE how Gene Simmons´ characters were portrayed when he had creative input. Also you switched Johnny and Keanu.
@@koryfredrick1164 Johhny Mnemonic, John Wick, Johnny SIlverhand. We all know what keanu wishes his name was. >_>
Not to be mister picky, but did no one else in this comment section hear about the team working on Cyberpunk practically begging for more time to work on the game and how about a month after it's release it came out that the team who worked in it actually had too few people for the project to be done by the deadline they were given.
So yahtzee was right, too many people (outside the team) trying to be involved and delaying progress that the team could have used to make a better game.
To add to this I could've sworn Yahtzee made a comment about how cyberpunk would inevitably fail to live up to expectations from being spread to thin. But I can't find it again, I believe it was from one of the e3 videos.
Fuck CDPR for the crunch culture that went into making this game. I'm so happy to hear yahtzee call it out.
@@egress8445 yeah, part of me as kinda happy cyberpunk turned out the way it did so CDPR can get the weird criticism immunity it had revoked.
Lol, dunno how you can be "spread too thin" in a company of 1000 people with 8 YEARS to make ONE game and nothing else in your development rotation.
@@raymondbiskner6885 too many cooks
Ahaha - the Lazy Town / Cenobite line cracked me up :-D
Borg collective during their "rebellious phase".
That 'ordered a salad' bit at the end really is a perfect way to describe Cyberpunk.
Can we make the "AAA horse plop syndrome" into an actual thing, like whenever a game has way too much "stuff" that it hurts other aspects that could've used cuts and more fine-tuning we call it that.
Sure, but let’s not compare RDR2 to this crock of shite. RDR2 is possibly the best game I have ever played. CP77 is just a disappointing, empty shell of a game.
Yep, that last point I think could have really been taken to heart. There are tons of really cool and interesting missions in unique looking locations, but there are equally as many "generic gang members in generic warehouse," missions. If all the latter was cut, you would have a cleaner map, more focused gameplay, given the developers more time to patch bugs, and also made the fixers stfu for a bit instead of calling every 5 minutes.
The game was really fun though, which unfortunately makes it's shortcomings stand out even more.
I'm shocked CDPR learned so little from Witcher 3. That game had no fluff side quests; almost all of them were decently written and had more to do besides just "go kill thing and come back". Sometimes you could avoid killing it, sometimes you could talk with it if it was a sentient beast etc. VERY few of the quests felt like filler.
And then you fast forward to CBP2077 and it's just full of pointless MMO-tier side quests. It's like whoever worked on W3 just wasn't on the cyberpunk team.
Me: But I ordered an immersive RPG!
CDPR: Here's your Cyberpunk Borderlands game.
@@Gakusangi I mean, personally I still think it's pretty immersive. I've just been ignoring all random missions and text messages, only focusing on the ones that sounded really cool
@@MapleLeafAce What the hell are you on about. The side quests are great, which ones are this "MMo-tier" side quests that you speak of. If you're talking about the gigs those are completely different from the side jobs. Sid jobs are the quests, gigs are just activities. Fucking hell man did you even play the game.
I was playing the game and came across an entire plaza of the same npc.
Came just to find this comment. I was running into same looking npcs every few minutes.
@@franelabus9182 I gotta wonder if that's a console thing, or if I just didn't notice it happening... Because I could swear the NPCs in my game all looked different
@@RuptimusPrime same here although most of the time i only notice the npcs when im trying to not run them over
@@RuptimusPrime Nope, I got a PC port.
Don't worry, just turn around and turn back again and they all will have disappeared.
Hey, it only took them 2 years to do 10 years of bug fixing!
Still not nearly bug free sadly. Much better tho
"Not to make a fuss..."
Who are you, and where is Yahtzee?
4:28
Yahtzee: "I did wonder why CDPR only unlocked my review copy like the day before general release."
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CDPR: "We fear no reviewers ... but that Yahtzee ... it scares us."
the glitch where his pants disappeared actually happened, multiple times.....its not just a exaggerated joke, funny enough
like every mission with panam. its as if she knew.....
why even render the body underneath the clothes? Seems like a massive waste of cpu
@@Broockle it's for the program that interlaces clothes and makes sure layers of clothes do not clip through each other. You can't put drywall and pretty paint on without the stud underneath lol.
@@Technicallyaddicted
no idea what those paint metaphors mean but most games usually have no body underneath clothes. Maybe when games use cloth physics it's actually convenient to have a body underneath but otherwise it seems like a waste of cpu.
Even with cloth physics there should still be a better way I'd think.
When body parts clip thru the clothe is a very special type of facepalm imo.
.....also when you say "layers of clothe" I hope you don't mean they actually render draw multiple clothes which you can't even see underneath? I can't even fathom what that would be good for.
Yatzee is now the lest sounding least expected and most British person to ever mention Fortitude Valley.
Unexpected Brisbane lad.
Queenslanders represent
Yeah mate, he used to own a bar in the Valley. Mana Bar, it was pretty great tbh and he made me a cocktail
@@TheDoctorwhovian2 nice
@@TheDoctorwhovian2 sounds fuckin rad mate, would go just for bartender.
knowing that part of Brisbane, its likely his house was an underground gambling house. That part of town was rather unsavory to say the least.
edit: previously a gambling house, i had a family member apart of the police around that area, there are some weird stories to be told
"I still ended up with fifty health kits and more bullets than John Lennon's corpse".... Jesus Christ!
He's a bit mistaken in thinking crafting isn't worth it. You can literally get infinite money and parts from it because you can salvage shit for more than it takes to craft, and if you use it right you can have like 12000 armor. Very unbalanced.
"You cant review it if you can't play it"
Seedy PR taps forehead
“Why would I want to buy food when I don’t have a hunger bar”, that’s because there was clearly supposed to be one, and a hydration bar, sleep bar, and alcohol and drug addiction mechanic. You know like a pen and paper role play system might have. Or like tons of games that came before it.
Twas supposed to be an rpg.... that's why.
Then it became an open world sandbox instead.
Tfw one of the games 2020 trailers showed V eating some food from a vendor by himself
Cyberpunk devs got 400 bucks a month. That is less than minimum wage.
“Not to make a fuss, but I ordered a salad!” Is now my new life motto.
Personally I'm still waiting for somebody to do Cyberpunk: the genre in a game rather than Cyberpunk: the aesthetic. Cyberpunk is supposed to be about speculating over the near future but for some reason everyone that isn't either literally William Gibson himself or the original Deus Ex team keeps setting it in the neo-80's.
EDIT: People keep saying "yeah but the tabletop game it's based on was made in the 80's though" so let me spell it out for you all real slow so you understand: Cyberpunk, by it's nature, is an inherently contemporary genre. It is ever changing as our conceptions of the future change, and the problems we face as a society relating to corporate control and technology change. The core conceit of cyberpunk is "what if the future didn't turn out so good", and William Gibson - again, the guy who *literally* invented the genre, Mr Cyberpunk himself, has been writing cyberpunk since he wrote Neuromancer, the original Cyberpunk novel, and it isn't the 80's kept in a bottle because our conceptions of the future have changed since the 80's.
It's why the original Deus Ex was such an important work of cyberpunk: it was a cyberpunk with a conception of how the future would be in the late 90's, making it a fully contemporary work, and because of that it's a LOT more grounded than most cyberpunk works, and it speculates on the future using information we had at the time to the point of literally staring the player in he face and telling them employment statistics, then extrapolating from there.
We are half a lifetime, 4 full decades, away from the 80's now; almost a full lifetime if you were an adult during them. The conceptions of our technology, how we'll use it, and what the dangers and social concerns of the day are have evolved massively since the 80s. Can you address modern problems and use the aesthetics of the 80s? I guess, but then you reduce the genre to an aesthetic - as the only consistent thing people think of the neon and the mohawks rather than what it's actually trying to say, and the idea of cyberpunk becomes a flanderised version of itself that becomes a period piece rather than the speculative fiction - you know, the name of the wider genre it belongs to - it's supposed to be. If the tabletop game fell into the pitfalls of never evolved with the times, then that's a **problem** with the tabletop game. Tabletop games get new editions, Cyberpunk 20XX even got new titles moving the timeline forward, it already had the ability to evolve with the times, but it didn't.
There is in fact a genre that exists to take a specific moment in the past, and draw the parallels to today. Made by the same guy too, check out The Difference Engine! It's called "Steampunk". Yeah, Steampunk's original purpose was to show what another time was like when the wealthy and "corporations" (though not quite as we understand them) had insane amounts of power and the technological revolution bought genuinely untold and unimaginable misery and suffering to millions if not genuinely billions. But when was the last time you read a steampunk story, or played a steampunk game, that explores the absolute horror show of the industrial revolution and how it can be made to draw parallels today through things like automation and robber barons, that had biting social commentary about the modern day through the lens of the era and the similarities that it bought about if you gave it advanced technology? You didn't, because Steampunk has become an aesthetic - it's all just top hats and cogs, cool mechas and whimsy. Sure, some things still LOOK steampunk, maybe even a little sprinkling of social commentary here or there, but steampunk the genre is practically dead and people getting really caught up in steampunk the aesthetic killed it. I don't want the same thing to happen to cyberpunk, but I feel like I can see it already happening in front of me.
You can disagree with this and all, that's fine, to each their own - hell feel free to reply and tell me I'm wrong! - but stop saying "oh but the tabletop was stagnant neo-80's retrofuturism too!" like it's a gotcha. It just means the tabletop game isn't doing it correctly (in my view anyways, maybe you're super down for cyberpunk just become a retro-future thing and think removing that makes it something else) either, and squandering this chance to be a very definitive cyberpunk work because of how popular the game was going to be (and having a new edition of the tabletop game to accompany it) makes me sad, and want someone else to do a new cyberpunk game properly: one that actually takes TODAY and makes the bad future from there, rather than making the bad future from twice the average player's lifespan ago.
Can you elaborate more since I am a smooth brain that cannot tell the difference
@@crawlingboy I only have slightly less smooth brain but here is my understanding:
Cyberpunk aesthetic: embraces the flying cars, cyberware, neon cities, basically focused on how cool the genre looks
Cyberpunk genre: focused on plot(?), more focused on the idea that life in general is ruined because of greedy companies dominating, and how you will be rise against this new government
That is a really good point. And one of the bigger disconnects for me while playing the game. If this "near-future" vision of weak government strength and corporate overlordship is to be believable, then there needs to be the corporation mentalities of today... not from the 80's. The 80's spawned the concept of "The Man". Where there was this faceless, no name and malevolent to it's core concept that someone was keeping you down. Generally it was not governments, but decisions from the elite class in how you would be able to live. That is what 2077 showed... "You can do 'x' because we allow it". But that is not feasible in any way... Humans are not stupid (some are, but collectively we are not). A more believable Cyberpunk future would show a "Full Liberty" environment. "If you want it, someone is selling it." Amazon didn't become a crazy big by forcing its customers to do stuff... they opened their catalog to what consumers wanted. That is the concept of the Internet at its maximum (which to me is the basis of the damn genre).
@@jvg7498 ahhh so settings instead of the fashion and theme
@@Davidweisenthal1 well it is a RPG with a future look from a neo-80's standpoint. It was explicitly stated by the producers. Its not focusing on a modern day future
Most immersive thing about this game was being set in So Cal and waiting in traffic
And then getting a motorcycle and lane-splitting at Full Dickhead speed.
What traffic
@@Robfnord Yea, I hardly encountered any traffic in the game. The traffic seemed akin to the rural small town that I work in.
I thought it was Northern California.... Pacifica is an actual city up this way that I've been to numerous times, mostly for the Taco Bell built right on the beach.
“No two are the same”
Every time I walk the street in that game I saw dozens of clones.
Same fat dude with red vest again and again
Darth Todd Howard: "From my point of view, Cyberpunk 2077 just works."
I put 200 hours into Cyberpunk 2077 starting day one... it was honestly less buggy for me than a typical Bethesda game. This comment is very accurate lol.
@Jeorin Don’t lie my guy, Bethesda games are buggy but nowhere near the level of Cyberpunk and atleast Bethesda games have an actual game to them rather than the main enjoyment of the game relying on a stupid bug. CDPR has made Bethesda look like masters of game development with Cyberpunk
@@SinfullyHera The only one lying here is you buddy, having played FONV, Skyrim, and FO4 at release, all of those games were buggier and (with the exception of FONV) worse written in both characters and stories. CP2077 has many, many issues that span a multitude of areas, but the base game is far better than Bethesda's recent releases
@@trevorsignorini6809 Ah yes, because CDPR not even being able to implement driving AI or working police AI is "far better", given how driving AI has been around since the first GTA, CDPR not being able to get even that simple aspect right makes them ten times more laughable than Bethesda.
For me, the biggest disappointment was the introduction of so many "features" that were completely unfinished. Braindances, for example, are left entirely unused unless it's integral to the story. It was a really cool concept that was locked in the backroom never to be heard from again once you were introduced to it.
The seizure-inducing lights were bad, too. How did NO ONE see that as a potential problem?!
for a gameplay feature that had a relatively decent amount of press from thje devs, and its own suite of controls, and is such a huge part of the ingame lore, it felt really odd that you use it a total of like 5 times in extremely on rails sort of missions.
I liked those lights and was disappointed when they removed them
@@petervansan1054 It's better for a handful of people to be disappointed in the removal of one thing rather than any amount of people suffer seizures, without an epilepsy warning too, at least then they'd have known to avoid it.
@@goten339 bullshit, only tiny fraction of people have photosensitive seizures and those should not play video games AT ALL.
@Names are for the Weak so you want nuts to be removed from snickers because someone is allergic to peanuts?
as you were mentioning the bugs you ran into, i caught my self saying "yup got that, got that one too, etc"
We all remember when crowds of redditors were championing the developers for "speaking out against crunch" to be swiftly followed by a year of it? Funny how that happens.
And when people start pointing it out they just trying to shift the blame back to the player lmao
It was YOUR fault that you overhype the game, it was your fault for wanted the game to be release
@@MyHentaiGirl Or when people started getting angry that they over marketed the game. Like what the hell is the marketing team supposed to do, sit on their thumbs and tell potential customers that the game is a buggy mess? Most of them haven't even seen any gameplay for pete's sake!
Been waiting to laugh at an industry that never learns anything again
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Does anyone want to tell him that Johnny was a pre existing character in the original TTRPG, with all those traits intact?
That is pretty interesting info
He wasn't wrong about keanu being miscast though, as much as i like him he just didn't "fit
2 the role for me.
I don't see how yall can claim Keanu was miscast when he's literally only ever played the same 2 roles his whole career.
(Funny rocker or stern action hero)
Is it the mixing of the 2 that throws ppl off?.
Is it that Cyberpunk2077 players have never seen a Keanu Reeves movie?
Cuz that role was basically made just for him!
@@Coreisus I agree completely, Keanu's entire acting career was basically him training to be Johnny Silverhand; a sarcastically funny rocker who is also a freedom fighter action hero.
I get that tabletop fans might be put off because they already have their version of Silverhand in their heads, but anyone new to Cyberpunk will see Keanu in the game, read up about his character, and go "Oh shit, perfect casting".
@@grizta30 He was wrong, though. It works on a meta level, as not only has Keanu been in a band IRL but given the context his celebrity status is one of the few times I actually think it makes sense to cast a hollywood celebrity in a video game since Johnny is a celebrity in game too, meaning that whole "hey I've seen you elsewhere before" aspect works better than something like, say, seeing Vin Diesel in Ark 2, and that's the context you get _without_ having played the tabletop game, there's also what TheKrossRoads said being spot on.
I was expecting Yahtzee to tear this game a new cyber asshole, but I got a genuinely level-headed, hopeful sounding review that almost exactly matches how I feel.
I'm loving the game, but I keep getting blue-balled by how much better it could be.
I'm playing through once, with the hope that I'll come back to a vastly different game and new experience down the line.
Getting to play the game twice with 2 different feels is a huggee hope, but I'm prepared to be disappointed too at this point.
Remember to blame shareholders, not developers, for such a state. It surfaced the problem of Poland in which employers are sometimes tyrants in charge of any business and government cannot step in, because a lot of regulations (as employers are barred with them after 1989) that prevent government to have any influence over employers (beside taxing) - along with a line "muh liberty". In case of CDPR, it's the shareholders to say a lot and they could fire entire teams just with one decision. If CDPR refused to launch Cyberpunk 2077 in such a state, a lot of people would just lose their jobs.
"I didn't craft Jack-Fucking-Thompson in this game!"
Lol.
"Not to make a fuss but I ordered a salad" was just unexpected that it got me cracking up with laughter.
Such a perfect metaphor too! Considering it was supposed to be a Deus Ex/Fallout style rpg, but now it's an open world sandbox.
@@Coreisus And instead we got Borderlands with a cyberpunk coat of paint.
Sounds like CDPR game alright. I personally feel game's strength lies in some of gameplay that does not follow open world norms. Rough diamond. People will love it in the end, but early criticism seems to be earned.
"game's strength lies in some of gameplay that does not follow open world norms."
What do you mean by that? I haven't seen anything special in that area tbh
@@darksemmel503 it means they should just focus on small closed worlds, story and soundtrack. Cdpr cannot make good open world games or else their short comings really show.
@@darksemmel503 Not OP, but I feel like the gameplay becomes more unique the later in the game you get, depending on how you decided to level your character. I focused on hacking and gunplay, and the way those two systems jive together is something I haven't experienced before. Most games with hacking tend to use it as a stealth option, but in CP, I use my quickhacks like the VATS system, for a free kill while I reload or to keep the damage coming while I change positions. I can, however, see how if you level up to mostly focus on gunplay or stealth hacking, the gameplay could feel like nothing new or special.
@@prasunkumar117 first of all that isn't what he said - second: Witcher 3 isn't a good game following your logic? oO
@@prasunkumar117 yah I disagree w/ that
1:27 and working the developers half to death
THANK YOU!
"...the crowds of NPCs where no two are the same..." This is sarcasm, right? It's either that or he stopped paying attention to them after the first five minutes.
I once scanned a guy on the way to an objective to see his name, and upon arriving found that same guy dead. He later passed me on the street no worse for his troubles.
Crazy right!? So many reviewers for this game talk like they are playing an entirely different game. My theory is that playing the game is just their job, they aren't anticipating an immersive rpg like us, they go through act1 as fast they can only doing main quest, never even returning to their apartment but thinking "wow players can go back to their apartments and there seems to be street vendors I bet players can buy and eat from them but anyway I don't have time to do any of that I'll just assume it's all good; gotta finish this review *shooty bang bang*"
He didn't want to make a fuss.
I actually really enjoy the game and love it dearly, but I did run into MCU Bucky Barnes an awful lot lol. He's everywhere.
@@user-hx5hu4wx4k Really true. They go into it to get the bare minimum. Much like an English Lit student merely scans Hamlet just to get the fun bits he can write a report on. The game touted so many things but I don't think I've seen a single reviewer mention the fact that they freaking put the entire gameplay trailer of the game INTO the end of the tutorial as a substitute for missing the entire first half what was supposed to have been put in the game in the first place. The game itself is so bare bones once you deviate from what they've done of the main story that it's so freaking funny. There aren't even recreational BD's outside of the one or two missions that they force you to play, despite the fact that there is LITERALLY a store that you can buy them from!
It's a very impressive alpha build. I'm sure it will be great once it's actually cocking finished!
people forget how broken tw3 was when it released lol.
Triple A industry needs to learn that sometimes less is more
SILENCE HERETIC!!!
I actually don't mind. The Witcher 3 is still my favourite game ever and got loads of content. I just want my games polished. Still enjoying Cyberpunk though.
@@isodoubIet depends what you mean by "complete". I doubt there are many games that *need* that much time to finish, if you don't obsessively finish every little side quest and other filler.
@@Chris.Pontius witcher 3 was buggy at launch too but all the losers here won't complain cause it's not a new game
Stockholder hired hitmen want to know your location
1:18 seems it took 2 years. Game rocks now.
"Not to make a fuss, but I ordered a..."
Sony - "NO REFUNDS!! GET OUT!!"
This game feels like the modern day equivalent of something like Pokémon Red and Blue
It has good ideas and does a lot right, but is plagued with bugs and glitches that can either ruin your experience, or make you laugh with how broken it is
There are problems in this game that go far deeper than the bugs and glitches, but Keanu's casting was not one of them.
In my opinion, Keanu didn't do that good compared to some of the other actors and actresses. He was definitely not worth the money.
Your lineup of shooting/melee/stealth/hacking using the neckbeard icon made me laugh so hard my implants bluescreened
I played this in March and I loved it. Some minor glitches, but for the most part it worked perfectly well. I think the only thing that bugged me was every so often I couldn't pick up an item, but over all it was never anything really important.
Seeing Eddies floating there when I still had cars to buy broke my heart every time...
“More bullets than John Lennon’s corpse”💀💀
I'm dead....so is lennon
He went easier on this game than I thought he would. Quite a nice surprise
He shouldn't have.
@@mitchhamilton64 the fact that they put the game out in such a buggy condition is exactly the reason why. Sell it shitty and fix it later is an absolutely awful way to do anything.
He played on PC. So the bugs weren't game breaking for him
@Adrian Scott It's the Half Life 3 argument all over again. Cyberpunk 2077 is a brilliant game but people expected it to cure cancer and fix their broken marriages.
Yahtzee's harsh, but he's always fair in his reviews and he's never jumped on hate or hype trains just to get clicks. He only ever talks about the real problems, and gives praise when praise is due. He's just got the reputation of a brutal reviewer who hates everything because... most games have serious problems.
5:30 the answer is none, because they didn't pay any overtime and they didn't pay keanu for his likeness. All of the games' budget just went into dumping lithium into a coral reef orphanage and buying hitmen to hold the developers' families at gunpoint in perpetuity.
Hats off for the Madeline Kahn/"Blazing Saddles" reference... "It's twoo!" I knew there's a reason I got this humor.
''Is it for people that want to role play as michelin travel guide writers?!'' AHAHAHAHHAA
I would play a game where you play as a restaurant critic, especially if it was also set in a cyberpunk world.
@@KeithFraser82 I got a better idea, after this nonsense with rona is over I'm gonna open a video game themed restaurant with dishes inspired by them. (No I won't because of meager profits) but it's still a cool idea.
"OK, so what famous actor from a known cyberpunk film can we get to appear in our game?"
"We can get Keanu Reeves, or... actually just Keanu Reeves, he's the only one who returned our call."
"...Ffffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuck."
"Wait, why is it that Keanu has a decent amount of films where he plays a guy named John or Johnny?"
@@KoryLunaa he's been playing the long con for 30 years, biding his time, waiting to one day get the chance to be cast as Silverhand...
oh you mean the poster boy of one of the most influential cyberpunk movies of all time? Yeah no biggie
@@TheDapperDragon Are you for real? It's Ghost in the Shell
I feel like the irony of the game’s locale being called “Night City” leaks for itself.
What irony? I legit don't get what you're referring to
ME: This game is so immersive!
ALSO ME: Ooh, look! Another unlocked treasure chest full of loot in the middle of the street in an area frequented by homeless people struggling in poverty.
Thank you for touching on how mistreated the employees who worked on this game were. Inevitably the game will be fixed and great, but we can't forget how CDprojekt said there would be no crunch and lied through their teeth. The people who slaved away on this deserve better.
@F99 Crafter Well they evidently didn't try that hard...
@F99 Crafter Personally I can't say I prefer it when they lie to my face to try and get my money.
@F99 Crafter normally I'd agree but they PROMISED no crunch, and also said they would follow through with that promise while actively planning the crunch.
Been waiting for this one
I walked in on an npc peeing in a bathroom whereupon he would keep peeing for like 2 solid minutes with me standing right infront of him before zipping it up and saying "eh.. could be worse". I SWEAR this is true.
I feel like Cyberpunk deserves a revisit like No Man's Sky got. It's changed a lot and definitely for the better.
Ay,let's keep viewing this. Escapist videos haven't broken even a million views for two years at this point
I sure do look forward to playing this when it's released properly.
I look forward to modders turning it into the game we saw in the demo in 2018.
You gonna have to wait another 57 years
Jokes aside, this game "should" be fully done in 2022. It's sad, but most likely true.
There's this game called "The Last Faith" that, provided everything goes as planned, will release next year.
You should check it out and forget about games developed by corporations that work their employees half to death.
Wow.Haven’t seen one of your reviews in years.had no idea you were still making them. Always classic.
4:17 "Trying to cab home from Fortitude Valley"
Man, that's a reference close to home. Every time Yahtzee mentions some innocuous location in Australia, it's so unexpected but so welcome.
Maybe Fortitude Valley was the Night City we were looking for all along
Atleast the drugs give better visuals than CDPR does
At least after CP2077, you'll never diss DeadlyPremonition2 again.
Wow so glad that you made this and was waiting. Great video
Can't get enough of those cover-to-cover firefights, where we show off our foreheads and regale each other with suppressing fire.
Why is Reddit so obsessed with Keanu Reeves
A Jack Thompson reference in 2020?
Dredging up some good history there.
I love the shade thrown at the tech tree when it's like... brokenly good.
I remember talking to someone who was super hyped for this. He said that since witcher 3 was good, this was obviously going to be great. I asked, "did you play the first two witcher games". He hadn't, so I explained that it took them 3 games to reach that level, and an open world third person fantasy action rpg based on a series of polish novels almost no one in America read is one thing, creating a Sci fi first person dues ex meets grand theft auto open world shooter rpg hybrid is almost completely different and it's likely they'll cock it up in some way. It'll still probably be playable in the way buggy old games that never really gained major popularity but still have a cult following (looking at you alpha protocol), but it won't be the second coming of Jesus in game form. He didn't believe me and here we are.
Yahtzee, the man who gets himself lost in hilarious analogies.