Sony Bravia 9 vs Hollywood Reference TV: How Close to Perfect?
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0:00 Sound Demo of Quad vs Bravia 9
7:50 4000 nit content by Jennifer Gala
8:57 Hollywood Reference Sony BVM 3110
11:46 Answering Bravia 9 questions
22:42 Bravia 9 vs Hisense U8K How much better?
28:17 Bass on Quad better than HT-A9
40:41 Stars not as bright to preserve black levels
44:08 Anti-glare on Bravia 9
46:00 Specular highlights on Bravia 9
48:18 Shadow detail on Bravia 9
56:53 Bravia 9 TV Deals at Value Electronics
1:01:58 A95L and Quad Bundle deal!
1:12:42 Brighter than 3110 possible?
1:25:26 77" A95L vs 85" Bravia 9
1:34:50 In 2025 How Pentonic 800 SOC will help TVs?
1:41:12 B9 Tone Mapping vs 3110 Clipping
1:44:35 2024 Update to Sony A95L?
1:47:29 Best Plasma TV replacement: A80L or X90L?
1:57:10 10,000 nit content compared!!
2:18:45 Prediction: Sony Flagship TV in 2025
2:21:51 Pho-OLED TV is when?
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Sony Bravia 9 and Theatre Quad Flagship Combo of 2024 Worth the Wait?
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Great showing
Sony is going to take 2 crowns home!
Oled king
Mini led king
FOMO the efforts you go to are just incredible. Big thank you for this!
My B9 came in this Monday, replaced my LGC1. And honestly, I love it. No it is not OLED black levesl. To my eye (maybe i need glasses) the B9 does so much more right that having perfect blacks isnt end all be all, watched, mario, witcher ep1, new star wars show, 1st episode of house of usher(very dark show) and it all looked damn good. Settings used; dolby bright, and dark, or cinema mode when Dolby not supported.
Size? How’s the motion for sports?
@luissoto5544 I went for the 75" and sorry I don't typically watch sports or use motion smoothing. But from my understanding, the XR processor is very good for that kinda stuff.
I watched Spiderman Homecoming on my brother's C2 or C3 the other day (4K blu-ray version). And while the image did have some advantages over my own much older Sony ZF9 LED TV, I feel like the picture actually looked more natural on my own TV when I checked out a few scenes. Also the brightness of my TV is just incomparable. The bright effects have a really nice impact, his OLED simply doesn't compare in that regard (that said, that's probably not the case for a few top-end OLEDs that can reach 1500-2000 nits peaks).
But yeah, the top-end LEDs do have some pretty major advantages, but OLED fanboys and professional reviewers pretend that they don't exist or that they're minor.
@@mercsquad89 thanks! Just ordered the 85! I have two OLEDs so I was worried but we shall see!
@@luissoto5544ordered my 85" on May 23rd. STILL WAITING for delivery after multiple delays from the carrier. Sure hope ya didn't order directly from Sony!
Now this is fantastic content... thanks a lot!
Really enjoyed the stream and look forward to comparing to the g4 and maybe qn95d please.
B9 looks amazing
Having bought the 65q90C last year.. I can def say the B9 is gonna be better for blooming and sdr picture quality! (Knowing the q90C lags in those areas). Just wish I had waited for a 75/85”. Size makes a huge deference at 9-10 feet. 🎉
would be awesome if you could show that 4000 nits content on a B9 vs G4 video
it's coming!
Hey FOMO, been watching you for awhile and you seem to push a bar higher and higher with your videos. Is it time perhaps to give us content in HDR so we could appreciate the comparisons even more?
How does BFI 120hz look on the Bravia 9? How much does brightness take a hit?
always takes a hit, I can't abide by it
I will stick with my beloved Sony A95L 65" as I'm really happy with it and probably not much difference between them. Cheers 🍻🥂
wtf. Why would you not stick with A95L? Why would you even be considering new TV in less then 5 years at least since it's oled. If it was LED i'd not consider anything until 10 years go by.
I bought sony X90F at launch and was not considering anything at all before this year and I got kinda "lucky" in a sense that X90F had some panel fault (when not in use for more then a day it would go through rainbow colors of various shapes before it started working properly), and RMAd it the fifth year of warranty and in its stead they gave me X90J (was hoping for X95J as it is the same price range as X90F was when I bought it and when X95J launched...) but I expected to last 8 years with X90F, so I got like 2 more years before I consider anything but am keeping in touch to see what's coming up so that when I get something it's gonna be as huge of an upgrade as X90F was.
So yeah why would you even think about replacing that A95L in less then 5 years (unless you wear it down and it starts showing perma burn in)? :D
Great video FOMO! The TV sounds awesome...except there are now early reports that a lot of panels have pretty bad DSE. People on the forums are even noticing a big obvious spot of it on your set in this video haha. Mine is on the way so I'm nervous now.
What reports? DSE Is it on one specific screen size or on 75 and 85 screens sizes too? I’m thinking about getting the 75inch Bravia 9
What Size Bravia 9
65 B9 looks very good against the reference monitor! I can't wait to see more content and comparisons
I have a 7.2.4 Klipsch speaker system and a 77” A80K. Do you think it’s worth going with a new Sony ES Receiver to use the Acoustic Panels with my Center Channel for better Dialogue placement? I need a new Receiver anyway as mines Arc not eArc. I actually lost Atmos by buying this TV as my Yamaha won’t do DD+ thru Arc? Great video! I love my A80K. Honestly it’s almost same as A80L without Clear. 👍🏻
I would not. The only people who think having your screen act as a speaker is hi-fi are TV fans. Excitation devices have been a thing for a long time and they aren't a great solution. Your center channel is better than the TV will be. Check out Erins audio corner if you want to learn a bit about center channels and what works best. You could potentially get a different center, but I wouldn't call any TV speakers an upgrade from a good dedicated center channel.
Don't forget to always show the settings and do a reset as well. I assume it's professional mode. Where you able to get another mode on the Bravia 9 calibrated to be accurate? What does the Bravia 9 look like vs the 3110 in non-professional mode. Is it off by a mile?
You can reduce the text it take up 1 3rd of the screen, and covers the 3110 , why is it so huge? Quite annoying with the text covering the display.
you mention that the Shield Pro isn't going to process as well as the tv itself now. Does that mean I shouldn't use the shield at all and use onboard apps only? Otherwise, how would I stop the Shield from trying to upscale?
2:03:26 Sony themselves has said they allow blooming to creep into the black bar if the content would be affected otherwise. They said they do not want to dim and have a sharp cut-off with the black bar because it's an absolute straight line. . They do not want to dim that content and interfere with creators intent. So on some occasions it can happen. It can be hard to see but if up close a slight glow might appear. Sometime could be slightly visible right from where you are viewing. But look at content not the black bars lol.
They could probably just keep it fully black but then it would affect the content potentially. It can have something to do with slight light bleed. As in even if adjacent zone is fully off if the other zone is fully on, some small light bleed can happen, because the zones are not "walled in" with zero leakage.
42:00 I thought you said you put the B9 on Local Dimming high. Default in Professional mode is LD at medium so as not to suppress highlights as much. Of course could introduce a little more blooming. You could have tested the star pattern again with LD medium and see if the stars are a little brighter.
It does seem to be an extremely pro-OLED video in general, his bias really is showing through here (not that he's made a secret of it). There simply wasn't much content shown where LED shines, like 90% of the video was showcasing situations where OLED shines while being worst-case scenario for LED.
That said, I generally disagree with him on many things and he's also simply not correct on quite a few things (OLED does not have infinite contrast for example). Viewing something like how the 'creator intended' is just a load of bull. A movie has hundreds if not thousands of employees working on it for example. Only a very small amount of them end up mastering and tweaking the colours for the final release. The director usually then just gives a okay or not for the final result of what those handful of employees intended to do. And the mastering of the consumer purchasable version is usually also different than the cinema version of movies.
And then on top of that, every cinema is different. And every TV is also different. The 'cinema' mode doesn't make movies look the way they did in the cinema, the colours aren't even close and even among different high-end TV's their respective 'cinema' modes all have some differences. All in all, it is impossible to view a movie 'as it was intended' because there's no way to do that. It's just a loaded term with no meaning, only meant for marketing. But he seems to put a lot of focus on its importance. Honestly I don't like these 'cinema' modes, I much prefer to tweak settings to my own preference for the image that looks best to me.
This has probably been asked and answered before, however is there a significant difference in picture quality between the x95l or the B9? at the 85 in screen size? for a dark room just to watch movies? thank you for your opinion.
It would not be a huge differnece but the B9 will have brighter highlights and mantain the Blacks like the x95l
Interesting video😊
Thanks for the awesome video FOMO! Anyone notice how quickly the Bravia 9 has decreased in price? All 3 sizes are on sale, and it's not even in Best Buy yet. Thats usually not a good sign or the TV was way over priced to begin with, or both.
Pulling the Samsung trick basically - Sony has wised up to the competition
The price was way higher than Canada's prices. Now the USA prices are in line with Canada pricing. It is more likely they over charged at launch. It also makes it look like a better deal doing it. Has nothing to do with the quality of the TV. That would make no sense. That would never even be a solution to anything.
I bought one before the sale directly from Sony, I called them and they priced matched their new price and gave me $300 back. Solid
@@AlmightyS0sa oh sweet. How do you like the Bravia 9? Do u have an OLED to compare it to? The Bravia 9 is the best lcd tv ever made 🎉
Voice Zoom 3 will also come to Sony A 95 L like on the newer models to improve dialogue sound quality
Would the qm851g be a major upgrade over a 77C2?
No, LED is not an upgrade over OLED unless you only watch in a very bright room at all times.
I have 85" Sony 93L. Please advise if I should exchange my TV for Bravia 9 85"?
1:36:00 Sony doesn't use the MediaTek SoC for their image processing. That is what the XR processor is for. Yes that is a separate processor.
This is why you don't see any 144hz on the B9 even though the Pentonic 1000 have it. Same with HDR10+, the MediaTek have it but Sony doesn't use it. The image processing comes from the XR processor.
So I wouldn't count on Sony using any image features on a Pentonic 800. It's crude compared to Sony's own. They will use the SoC for OS GoogleTV and inputs and so on.
Maybe they can use some features and sort of co-process it. But I wouldn't count that. Hisense and TCL definitely used to just put their Image processing right on the MediaTek SoC. But even they have started creating their own co-processors. Hisense will have numerous smaller ones.
I would love to see also bright room testing with the brightest oleds vs mineleds!!!!
definitely need a calibration I can see a green tint on the B9
FOMO, I Can’t decide between getting 65 A95L or Bravia 9 75 or wait another year for the A95L replacement. Currently Have 55 inch Samsung QN90C
Also unfortunately my local Best Buy doesn’t currently have the Bravia 9 or A95L on display. So only have reviews to go by or just order either one to see it for myself.
Get a TCL QM8 85 and call it day. Let that hold you over for a couple of years.
I’m buying a new tv next week. I’m between the B9 and A95L, weighing pros and cons of OLED vs QLED
Is it in a dark or light controlled room? Then A95L all day. If it’s in a bright sun filled living room then I’d go B9
@@epap1375 family room that’s moderately lit. One set of windows facing west north west opposite of the TVs location with minimal sun glare, and blinds that stay closed in the afternoons. Most of our watching is in the evenings when the sun isn’t a problem. This will be used for movies, TV watching, sports, casual gaming, and CZcams/Disney for the young kids. So a true multi purpose and a lot of watching with the lights on (all lamps with shades, nothing direct or overhead). Also considering Samsung S95D and LG G4. Here’s the other thing, looking round the $3500 price range in USD, so I can do 65” for the OLED options, and 75” with the B9
@@Dr_No_PhD The newer WOLED’s and now QD-OLEDS will handle those lighting conditions easily. It’s only super bright rooms that are a bit of an issue. I’m an OLED especial QD OLED fan so I might be a bit biased here.
The big downgrade in size throws a wrench into it. I think I would choose a 75 B9 over a 65 OLED. Or if it was me and had to stay within that budget I’d pick up last years Samsung S95C in 77” which is still a phenomenal tv
@@Dr_No_PhD Get one of the OLEDs from last year in a 77. You won't even have to use your whole budget and this year vs last years oleds are minor changes.
Bravia 8 TV & Bravia 8 soundbar?
Love how Robert agrees with FOMO the the A95L vs B9. The A95L is still the king of TVs. But the B9 is an oustanding option and if you want more than 77 inches, I would prefer it to the 83 inch LG G4.
I absolutely love my Bravia 9…Are you going to do a review on the Bravia 9 soundbar? Thanks
Yes!
@@stopthefomo309 Thank you so much FOMO
Bravia 9 85” Or LG g3 83” no gamer ! G4 is to expensive! Please advise i will upgrade from a Sony 85xg9505
Is the Bravia 9 QLED ore TRILUMINOS PRO
Both
When do we think streaming will even hit 2000 metadata let alone 4000? They have to hold back till the vast majority has tvs capable.. Apps will be able to detect the tvs capability or vice versa and display content at tvs capability.. 1000,2000,4000 etc..I still think 3-5 years however..For now tv can just tone map 1000nit data to higher levels.. 2000,4000 etc..
Can't have content being blowing out or highlights, details clipping at all. That obviously be unacceptable.
Im still blown away at how amazing s95c looks with right type of movie. Under Paris on netflix is super bright. Sky and clouds so vibrant and detailed ..and lights under water. 1500-2000ish nits is still crazy good for even bright rooms but at nights can even be too bright. If i playing game with mostly daytime scenes i have to keep contrast at around 30..just too much of a light cannon in dark room. I can see how 4000 nit smallish area would look great however..but not crucial..just would add nice touch to certain scenes.
Need a new TV......77A95L or 83LGG4. Streaming, DVD, PS5, controlled lighting, high end home theater system. Need best off angle viewing btw the two.
What if I am in an apartment?
Hi Fomo, a former a80k owner, which one to choose Bravia 7 or A80l, I'm undecided
A80L for sure.
@@spyofborg thanks, when you had Oled you can't go back
Bravia 7 is brighter but infinite contrast on the A80L is noticeable compared to B7, and A80L noticeably brighter in HDR content than A80K. I'd take the A80L
@@stopthefomo thanks
@@stopthefomo nothing like oled, when you go oled, you don't want to go back
What will 2025 sony flagship tv peak nits be? Over 4k nits?
FOMO, I have the opportunity to buy the 83” G4 for $4,200 from LG and the Bravia 9 85” is on sale for $4,799 at Best Buy. Sound is not priority as I have a full surround system. Movie watching and video games are important. Which would you buy in my case?
I have Sony everything(x90l 85" and hta 5000 surround with sub and rears) and am mostly impressed but the g4 is the best TV out there non biased opinion
@@claykeough7898thanks for the feedback
83" G4 at $4,200 is AWESOME, get it and don't look back
@@stopthefomo thanks fomo.
The G4 would be a hard pass for me, especially if you are going to wall-mount it using the LG provided brackets. That TV runs unbelievably hot when wall-mounted using the LG hardware. As hard as it is to believe, the G4 runs even hotter than the G3, and that thing was just an absolute oven. When mounted really close to the wall, that TV can't ventilate properly and cool itself down. That much trapped heat, over time, will unquestionably shorten the useful life of that device. LG absolutley should have put more thought into the cooling and ventilation on that unit. The fact that they didn't is very concerning.
I'd love to see a black bar torture test
Maybe Bravia 9 is the tv that can beat my Sony HX900 from 2011😁
How much brighter is A95L vs A80J? I have 55” will be going to 65” Bravia 9 or A95L
Room has windows to side of tv covered by porch and windows from dining room more to the front but perpendicular to tv. During the day, Lights are off and no glare from window but room is not dark. I do mostly watch after 5pm during week and if at home tv will be on.
Have you seen the rainbow effect on the Bravia 9 screen in daylight and reflected light that is being reported.
Yes, don't like it at all - right behind me is the back door east facing, when opened it's bright in the morning and BOOM rainbow in dark scenes, similar to the QN90A/B rainbow effect
@@stopthefomo Thanks. The others I'm looking at are the QN800D and the LG G4. I guess nothings perfect in the lounge room.
If your not swayed by the Bravia 9 or mini-led tv''s in general and prefer (qd)oled, perhaps waiting for CES 2025 to see what the next Sony QD oled model will be, is the better idea. Apparently it will come with Mediatek 800 chip that will finally provide 4x hdmi 2.1 ports, and other upgrades like 165hz VRR.
Still waiting on my B9 delivery. Baffles me how Sony chose such a terrible carrier service. Already a couple days late and now rescheduled for the 3rd time for Monday. Either way, can't wait to see it!
I know I overpaid but I just bet this is going to be the best compromise for sports and movies.
Some price drops happened now since release, most retailers will honor a post sale price match.
Is it just me, or does the actual colors of the Bravia 9 look substantially different/worse than the reference monitor?? I get that on my phone-CZcams screen may differ than in real life, but it really looks different and I’d say not near as good as the reference monitor. :/ 🎉 ugh. 🎉
my camera sensor is messing with you a little, they look identical to me IRL - that's the problem with sharing on CZcams because the camera sensor is hyper sensitive to certain things - both are calibrated to less than 1% delta so colors are indeed identical
But whichhhhh spiderman
LED vs LED and the winner is LG G4 😁😂😂
Hi Fomo. Thank you for your video. Unfortunately the comments bar was blocking the 3110 so i stopped watching
No mini LED, QLED, LCD, OLED, QD OLED or any modern panel tech is capable of true reference level image quality. One of the only consumer panels ever made with the capabilities of producing a reference level image, was the very last gen Pioneer Kuro plasmas (101FD). D-Nice still uses his as a reference monitor when calibrating contemporary panels and says It destroys any contemporary panel with SDR material. It has never been matched or surpassed.
The Bravia 9 is they literally tell you it’s the closest to Sonys reference
Kuro or CRT are still the baseline for SDR, but tell me how well that Kuro does with HDR content? BVM-HX3110 Dual Layer LCD is reference for HDR.
Your statement is missing context.
@@j.rfrazier1855 I literally say SDR. Reread my comment and notice it's not edited. I'm happy to talk about HDR though, I think it absolutely sucks. OLED cannot display HDR properly, they have to rely on processing tricks because of severe brightness instability due to ABL and low peak brightness. Compare virtually any of the same content in both SDR versus HDR and what you will notice is that SDR has a higher average luminosity level, meaning the image is brighter most of the time and also more vibrant. The HDR version will be dimmer, less saturated with the occasional high nit specular highlight. I've done countless A/B comparisons and 99% of the time the SDR version of content looks vastly better than its HDR counterpart. At least as far as streaming goes, it's not even close. A lot of people find this counterintuitive which I understand, all you have to do is try it for yourself if you have a device that allows you to disable HDR. There are other factors as well, HDR mastering seems to be pretty awful more often than not. Colorists are still relatively inexperienced working with it not to mention that most HDR content is created from SDR masters. Take all of this into account with the fact that 95% of content is still SDR and will remain SDR for the foreseeable future and I can confidently say that my Kuro wipes the floor with any OLED the vast majority of the time.
@@armylrs2391you're coping super hard dude. Get a 77inch OLED in your house next to that 50inch and your eyes will go to the OLED playing HDR over the plasma playing SDR every time. SDR and rec709 are 40 year old standards based on the tech at the time.
You can enjoy your product without being borderline delusional . TV tech didn't peak in 2010 with your 250 max nit 50inch 1080p TV.
@@paulcox2447 Why do you suppose it is that these Kuros stills have such a gigantic following in the AV community? Why do you suppose it is that they still sell for thousands of dollars on eBay used? Why do you think one of the most famous calibrators on Earth, D-Nice still uses a Kuro as a reference monitor? Ive owned an A80K, C9 and C3. Go ahead and challenge me on this, I can show you videos of these TVs going head-to-head against plasma TVs in a dark room environment on my other channel. Look it up for yourself - plasma TV comparison videos. These videos are showing plasma in SDR versus OLED in HDR, OLED gets spanked- Go see it with your own eyes. I'm not saying every plasma is better than every OLED but there are a select few plasma TVs that will outperform any OLED ever created in a dark room environment.
Robert is wrong saying no other TV can do full field brightness like the Bravia 9. The Bravia 9 hits 700-750 full field brightness. There are others at 900. Then you have outdoor "Terrace" TVs that does up to 1500 nits 100% window.
The full field brightness nits depends o which screen size BRAVIA 9 we are considering. FOMO has the 65" BRAVIA 9 and I'll double check, but I believe it's over 800 Nits. Other than outdoor full sun TVs what TY do know that can reach 900 Nits full field? Sorry I was not considering outdoor full sunlight TVs when I said Sony's BRAVIA 9 has the highest full field brightness capability.
Robert,. I’m thinking about getting the Bravia 9 75inch is there much difference among screen sizes?
Unfortunately where I’m located my local Best Buy doesn’t have the Bravia 9 on display they still have 2023 Sony models on display
@@AnthonySimpson-kl1nt I have not had our calibrator test all three screen sizes, 85", 75", & 65" BRAVIA 9. I do plan on having the measurement taken and recorded. For now they all are very similar, but the difference when you see the beautifully tone map decoded perfectly to deliver more depth and detailed images then we have ever seen before from any TV.
When you see these new full dynamic tonal range images perfectly contrast controlled with a perfectly illuminated 4K HDR image; sizes made the images look and feel with the larger the high contrast picture has beautifully enhanced immersive experiences that takes your eyes and image perception with a boost at each screen size increase.
So screen size matters now even more with this new more dynamic image rendering capability that the new BRAVIA 9 QD MiniLED TV delivers. Go for the largest screen size you can fit in your TV location and please don't abuse your budget, and all screen sizes are priced very reasonably for bleeding edge and premium designed and built new digital displays.
The Bravia 9 is way too expensive for what you get, it's a joke!
Hard to chose over a g4 or one of the qd oleds. Needs to be substantially cheaper imo
it's all about value - that's what the TCL is for. Samsung QN95D is no cheaper and even worse, and don't get me started on the QN900D 8K TV for value. Flagship TVs are the last % of performance. LG G4 83" is over $6000 while the 85" B9 is $4700. Is the G4 that much better? of course not
@@stopthefomoif we’re talking value let’s look at the u8 or qm8 you could get 3 of those for one Bravia, the tv looks amazing but dang it’s so so expensive. Hopefully it’ll be the Bravia 7 in a few years
@@stopthefomoHave you even seen or tested the Samsung QN95D?
Yea, this one's currently 100 more expensive than the Bravia 9 equivalent.
Hi Fomo. Thank you for your video. Unfortunately the comments bar was blocking the 3110 so i stopped watching
Do people like this kind of overly bright content?
I don't know - I went to a store with 20-30 OLEDs yesterday and the G4 was in torch mode (Vivid) playing 2 trailers - one with Tom Hanks and the other the Lord of the Rings. I couldn't focus on Tom Hanks due to the brightness of some tiny lamps behind him and the Lord of the Rings looked like a 4k demo, not a show. It was really hard to follow as it was sooooo bright.
If HDR on the G4 can be so distracting in Vivid mode, how bad would this be? I saw the U8N and even though it was a dark custom demo, it had highlights that were shockingly bright compared to the pure black.
Some demos looked amazing on the OLEDs but I really think I prefer SDR over HDR as my eyes are obviously going to focus on the bright part of the screen.
Bravia 9 is the most overrated TV that people expected to win the Shootout...but explosively felt flat on it's nose starting this week with a mildly disappointing 8.8 Score on Rtings (thx Early Access) that is even worse than the A80L, C4 and S90D.
Wow wait Sony ! You tell me you are gonna send in THAT tv at the Shootout to compete with a G4 that is breaking records on Rtrings ?! Yea...good luck there. Better come again with the A95L, that would stand a better chance against LG's Juggernaut.
What records has The LG G4 Broke?
Issue with Rtings is they reviewed the 65” and the 85” is the true flagship so it’s hard to judge
@@luissoto5544 85" Bravia 9 I can get for 4000 € after Cashback, quite cheap not a Premium price when compared to the A95L. It's that cheap for a reason...
@@luissoto5544 85" Bravia 9 I can get for 4000 € after cashback. Not a Premium price at all, especially when compared to the A95L.
It's that cheap for a reason...
@@luissoto5544 85" Bravia 9 I can get for 4000 € after cashback. Not a Premium price at all, especially when compared to the A95L.
It's that cheap for a reason...