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Hope you had a good birthday! Mine was the 21st.
Merry annual aging and many more....
Amazon and their shills would not know greatness if it helped the win the lottery 3x in one day.
Happy Belated B-Day Jay! 🥳🍺
I don't think the Amazon Ringworms of Power show was supposed to be about the Silmarillion. If I remember correctly, they only had the rights to the appendices from the Lord of the Rings which is pretty slim pickings for a complete narrative. So they came up with a bunch of crap to fill in the gaps in the Second (and First) Age which alludes to stuff that happened in the Silmarillion and other writings but has enough fanfiction shit to prevent them from getting sued.
PS: One of the bozos on Twitter talking about being disappointed by the Silmarillion is Neil Gaiman of Sandman fame.
Anyone who so readily disses the Silmarillion has lost total credibility and should be themselves dismissed
So are people who disses a show without watching it first . Duh
my guy that's Neil Gaiman. He has more fantasy and literary credibility than all the YT channels dissing the show combined
@@gilsurf8 dissing the trailers* Nobody's dissing the show since it doesn't exist yet. We're talking crap about the trailers, the inyerviews, the articles, the actors saying stuff and the leaks from the series. The Silmarillion came out years and years ago, there's a pretty big difference.
It's not the most enthralling of his works but it's not the worst book ever. It's like reading the Bible for most of it.
If you're not a fan of Tolkien's books, it's pretty safe to say you're not a fan of Middle Earth.
Saying louder for the people in the back
True. Normies say they can’t wait for the show, but they aren’t fans. For Tolkien there is no such thing as a “normie fan” because if you don’t read the books you’ll never know what’s really going on.
THIS! People will be like "Oh i've seen the movies once or twice i'm a Tolkien fan"
No you're not. You're a Peter Jackson fan, not a Tolkien fan.
(nothing wrong with being a pj fan ofc, i am proudly both and i'm sure most people in this comment section are too)
@@grassblock7668 He lost me with the hobbit but I still love the lotr movies, I just wish he stuck closer to the books
To touch on a few points:
1-3PO, I'm well aware that was what you were implying in your video. After years of being gas-lit from these hacks saying stuff like “oh, we're totally fans of [insert intellectual property here],” someone on their side finally admitted the quiet part out loud. Naturally, I did what any reasonable person would do in this scenario: blast this admission of guilt from a rooftop with a megaphone, like a lunatic.
2-I find that normies are extremely superficial with regards to taste. The product can be made with the contents of a porta-potty but they'll gladly slurp it down, as long as its got a nice wrapping with a bow on it.
3-Admittedly, in addition to Tolkien's works, I am a fan of the LotR trilogy Jackson made; not so much the Hobbit though. I thought it was an over-bloated, with unnecessary CGI. A re-cut of the Hobbit trilogy into a dualogy has only vindicated my original take on that series.
I just finished the og trilogy last night, and EVEN today, it's still one of, if not the greatest cinematic masterpiece in history. There was never a moment I hated, the lighthearted moments of jokes were never overdone, and played well with the dark and much more serious tone the rest of the movies had. All of the characters felt welcoming and fleshed out, even the ones who had minimal time to shine. The bittersweet ending that still draws tears to my eyes... It's never boring to rematch this trilogy... It's a huge shame to see what these people of today are doing to such an amazing piece of art.
Did you ever watch the extended version? Part 1 and 2 are ~1h longer than the cinema / TV version and end with a mindblowing ~4h return of the King
I watched it recently too, and still enjoyed it
Ive even found out new fact-lets about the movies
During the ride of the rohirrim, peter jackson had all the riders who read the books at the front, as they understood the gravity of the scene.
Which is why you have that one rohirrim charging like he is about to single handedly kill every orc!
In the first movie, when the uruk hai threw the dagger at aragorn, it was a real dagger and was supposed to go to the side of him and be edited later, but he messed up the throw and threw it straight at aragorn, who deflected it perfectly
Theres loads more and theyre all good and cool and funny
I'm sorry you lost points for not capitalizing CINEMATIC MASTERPIECE 😂 jk jk
@@ragnarian another fact i've always love is the banner tearing off in Rohan was never planned but the moment is too good.
@@Gurt_The_Hurt Or my favorite scene in Return of the King: “And in that moment, 4 Hobbits, little people of The Shire, stood taller than all the Kings of Men...”
Lord of Rings is still breathtaking in terms of visuals. And Gollum is so well done. Still holds up. 20 years ago.
I read the Silmarillion right after LotR, when I was 16. To say that I was overwhelmed was putting it mildly. It was also pretty much not at all what I expected after the LotR's nicely flowing story. I still read it though, not getting most of the first few chapters, and when I was done with the book, I read it again to get what's going on. It is not an easy read by far, however, it is rewarding.
Yeah it's heavy. It's like Numbers in the Bible. It's all the lineages, gods, etc. It's difficult to get through at first for sure, but it's the building blocks of the entire mythology behind LotR. If you're into ancient mythology it's good, but it's not for everyone 100%.
Shit, I could barely get through the first chapter of the fellowship when I was 16
I read this sequence about every 2 yrs:
1. The Silmarillion,
2. Unfinished Tales,
3. The Tale of Years Appendix at back of The LOTR
4. The Hobbit and
5. The LOTR
I’m am thoroughly impressed by the tale of Good vs Evil that spans this legendarium over generations and ages of history.
Tolkien’s imagination was off the chart incredible!!
The details that connect the stories over thousands of yrs of generations, the maps, the gods/powers, the character arcs - all impressive.
I reach the end and always feel like I nostalgically miss that universe. When you know the whole tale from creation to the 4th Age, it is humbling.
"The silmarillion" is overrated.
Completely agree. It's not meant to be read like a novel. It is not that, but if you like Tolkien's world then you will LIKELY love The Silmarillion.
This series is gonna blow!! Can’t wait be called an “ist” and a “phobe” for calling trash, trash.
It already happening
Too late. We're all ists
Back from the future. We're all ists now indeed
I knew this series was going to be a dumpster fire from the moment that it was first announced. None of this surprises me. Lol
Same. My heart sank as soon as I read that Amazon bought the rights. My only response was “Oh no.” If anyone was initially excited about it this, I can’t help but think they’re extremely naive.
I had massive hope. Then Tom Shippey was fired an Mariana Rios Maldonado’s Resume was leaked (their new scholar), fans said wtf is this and ATTACK from leftists and Amazon Ensued. fk Amazon
Just watched it, it was great.
This shilling blitz reminds me of the old advertising story about the slumping sales of dog food.
Ad executives were at a meeting discussing how they needed to improve slumping dog food sales. One exec suggested the packaging be changed, maybe more vibrant colors. Another suggested a funny ad campaign geared towards owners. Another suggested going all out on celebrity endorsements. Finally, one lowly guy at the end of the table from research sheepishly raises his hand. The VP of advertising asked "do you have something to add?" The guy from research in a low, shaky voice said "I think I know why sales are down". The VP chortled a bit, expecting to hear one more suggestion that was not his own and would quickly bat away and he said "what is it?!" The man from research said in a tone deaf voice "the dogs won't eat it".
Amazon, we are the dogs and we won't eat it.
It's funny how useless these "sneak peek" reviews are. They only talk about how good it was, every single time. It's literally just praise for the show. No one is ever honest because they wont be invited next time if they are. Every single sneak peek ends up being "the best time ever" no matter what it is lmao.
aye, Shills for thrills
Suck the fingers that feed. Consume, never question.
I remember when critics praised Metallica’s St Anger prior to release, only to recant after the fans bought it.
Not as useless as people trashing a show they haven’t seen yet.
@@gilsurf8 its not blind hate, people critique what theyre told about it
Of course they don't give any context, do they. And Gaiman especially definitely knows better. The Silmarillion isn't a novel and wasn't written by JRR Tolkien. It was put together from his notes by his son. And even if Tolkien had fully constructed it himself, not just the ideas in it, it still wouldn't be valid to compare it to LOTR or The Hobbit. It's more a collection of related short stories. So of course many turn to it after the novels and don't like it as much or only in a different way. After 40 years of reading books from the legendarium, though, The Silmarillion is my favourite. Not because of artful construction or a contiguous story (though both are better done there than in many other authors' works) but because it reveals the depth of worldbuilding and thought that went into LOTR and The Hobbit. The man conceived of over 10,000 years of history preceding the novels. Developed cultures and characters that got passing references at most in the novels. Genius and astonishing dedication. It made his world rich and helps to explain why so many millions love it. Looks like much of that has been thrown out in favour of whatever was developed from an afternoon in the writers' room. We'll soon see how the two approaches compare...
What's funny to me about calling the people that dislike the videos but is the fact that most people can't even see the dislike numbers and yet they're still disliking it and rationing every video that's published As well as every interview with cast show runners or anyone who's involved in the show
It’s funny , pathetic and hypocritical because it shows their agenda.
We know the task set out before us, and though our vision is obscured by the ever looming shadow of Amazon we shall press on until our task is done. Dislike and ratio Bezos back into the abyss. A show produced by a multi BILLION dollar company with endless resources and contacts and with a road map written by the greatest author of all time, should be the easiest win ever. Bezos could have used the money put into this show to hire some people with more than 2 brain cells and it would have been the greatest show ever filmed. How you managed to botch this is honestly beyond me.
@@collinweeks6322 the more brain cells a person has and the more they are worth. Tom Shippey proved that and they did him so drty that I would not be surprised if they take the ring to Valinor.
THE SILMARILLION is the book Bilbo was writing during his time at Rivendell in THE LORD OF THE RINGS. It is his translation of the history, myths and legends of the elves.
The Silmarillion can best be described as a history of middle-earth. It is Christopher's compilation of all the notes Tolkien himself made when preparing to write a potential additional story in the LotR universe. While Tolkien died before he could publish anything himself, his son respected his work enough to release it in as raw a form as possible while still maintaining a coherent record of the events. For this reason it reads like a history rather than a story. One might expect the in-universe histories to read like this, as if a character in one of the main-line stories would find an excerpt from the Silmarillion and read only parts that were relevant to his situation.
That they clearly don't know it's not a completed work by Tolkien, just shows how little they really know. It's like the Unfinished Tales which were his notes as he was working out LotR. I've seen people trying to use it as a reference one things he changed when he finished the story.
If it weren't that good it wouldn't have gotten a dedicated fanbase to one of the greatest fantasy stories in fiction that people are genuinely against the changes this show is adding.
One doesn’t have to be good to have a dedicated fan base.
@FatalPies period?.. lol
Alas, Amazon has been caught with their pants down in regards to the backlash to this series. That the VAST majority of Everyday Joes and Janes have simply tired of these woke, feminist, grrrlll power, forced diversity, representation over story and character development series.
Amazon never saw it coming, certainly not at this level, but were too far invested to turn back, leaving them with little choice but to double down and dig in their heels.
This series and its subsequent promotional ads will be used in film study classes on how NOT to make a show and how NOT to promote it for decades to come.
They changed the release date so it's clear we're getting to them. The sad part is we'll never know the truth if this show tanks. They'll hide it because they have to save face.
If that's what you think a company that has used this formula:
Underpay + Overcharge = Profit
On people that volunteered to be ripped of by it to become a multi billion dollar industry, then you may be a little stupid.
If i have 2 items of food in my hand and one of them tastes better than the other but i want that one, i will do things to make you think that the one i don't want you to choose is the worst one. It's simple manipulation you probably did as a kid.... but it works!
Not only do I get what I want in this scenario, but I also look like a decent person giving something away!
When it comes to this type of play from a company this big, there's something much bigger about to go down after the fact! This isn't the only company doing it, the scale of this is global.
@@Mike1Lawless You talked a lot in this comment but said little, just some silliness about global conspiracies and having two candy bars.
Guess the rest of the world who don't grasp this ramble are stupid and you're the smartest person in the room.
This is the Simarillion and it's beautiful as well as prophetic. Read it and take heart.
And it seemed at last that there were two musics progressing at one
time before the seat of Ilúvatar, and they were utterly at variance. The one was
deep and wide and beautiful, but slow and blended with an immeasurable
sorrow, from which its beauty chiefly came. The other had now achieved a unity
of its own; but it was loud, and vain, and endlessly repeated; and it had little
harmony, but rather a clamorous unison as of many trumpets braying upon a few
notes. And it essayed to drown the other music by the violence of its voice, but it
seemed that its most triumphant notes were taken by the other and woven into its
own solemn pattern.
In the midst of this strife, whereat the halls of Ilúvatar shook and a tremor ran
out into the silences yet unmoved, Ilúvatar arose a third time, and his face was
terrible to behold. Then he raised up both his hands, and in one chord, deeper
than the Abyss, higher than the Firmament, piercing as the light of the eye of
Ilúvatar, the Music ceased.
It might be a hard read, but people these days are used to the floppy writing of generic fantasy authors and therefore define it as unreadable and wayyy too hard. Everything that's slightly challenging will be hard when your brain is used to avarage or bad content and isn't trained or challenged at all for days and days on end, do shit with your lives, people.
I have ADHD and yet I am able to remember Finwe's entire family tree (with a couple of names missing from Finarfin's side i'll admit lol) the 14 Valar (or 15 ig), most Sindarin elves that get mentioned and in general a lot of events and characters, i kinda struggle with places tho. Usually i don't remember this much about any other book but for some reason the "unreadable" book is what stuck with me the most.
Those twitter posts made me actually lose it, you can't pretend to talk shit about a beutiful, complex book written by one of the best athours in all of fiction's history and have no one say anything about it, not our fault if those brain dead, sold, woke people can't understand anything about it.
I'm not saying you can't dislike the book/find it hard to read, of course you can, but what made me mad is that those people were trying to put shade over the Silmarillion in an attempt to make Rings of Power shine, and trust me that show pales in comparison to any book that has the name Tolkien written on it's cover.
If there is a better analogy for the glorious writings of Tolkien alongside the lumpen scribblings of the Amazon scriptwriters, I haven't read it yet. If only there was an Iluvatar to hold up his hands and say "ENOUGH!"
@@The_last_loyalty I doubt there's one to be honest, also now you've made the image of Iluvatar ascending from the sky going: "I can excuse many things, but this? This crosses the line!" live rent free in my head.
Music of Ainur (In my language it is Hudba Ainur... im not sure about english original... just let it call AINULINDALË) was best part of book. And story about Beren and Luthien.
@@kara9543 I honestly loved Ainulindale and Valaquenta so much! I feel like they're largely underrated, the whole concept is just so fascinating and interesting
Read the Silmarillion before the Lord of the Rings at 14 in a one week fevered read through while sick and loved it!!! After that all other Fantasy seemed amateurish.
Tolkien was a great writer. This is nonsense written by people who have no clue who Tolkien is nor what his writing stood for. Definitely not watching this hot garbage of a series.
I was one of the first allowed to view Drunk 3PO's video and I was pleasantly surprised by his insight. Breathtaking! @Drunk 3PO #DrunkandLovingIt
hahahaha I love you
@@Drunk3PO Made you laugh, awesome. Thanks for the vids Jay.
If they despise the professor so much.
They should absolutely make their own thing.
Neil "Scary Trousers" Gaiman has betrayed us. Maybe he's being diplomatic - his tweet reads like someone who really really never wants to offend anyone.
Yes, the Silmarillion is challenging. I only read it recently and it is radically different from the Hobbit and LotR. To paraphrase Neil himself (when he wrote about Lord Dunsany), it's like a strong red wine and if you're used to drinking cola then you might not like it.
The Silmarillion asks a lot of the reader. It's for people who read things like Icelandic Sagas and the King James Bible. It rewards attention, reflection and a view of the world that values transcendence and accepts grief.
But again: Amazon didn't buy the rights to the Silmarillion, did they?
Not yet,they did't,let's hope they never do.The Silmarillion is not for people who rarely read.Audio form it's not helpful since you have to consult the genealogies,maps and dictionary every three sentences(the first time you read it)After that you'll never go back to cola.
It's the opposite of TikTok -- it's deep, and rich, and attention-consuming. It's not something to read while listening to a movie in the background and periodically checking Twitter updates.
It's something to focus on completely, entirely.
Personally, the one good thing from all of this is it's inspired me to read Lord of the Rings. So far, absolutely amazing.
The only possible reason for the show-runners to “write the book which Tolkien never did” is because Christopher Tolkien’s editing of his father’s notes and maps into The Silmarillion was such a sad effort, resulting in a terrible book?
All those controlled “critics” and their canned responses? As spontaneous & honest as Wormtongue. #Shills
It's people admitting how unintelligent they are
I’m not surprised in the least. Amazon pulling a Disney with bought and paid for “reviews”
'Tolkien's writing is not very good'.
LEARN. TO. READ.
I read Tolkien when I was a kid. There were some words I didn't understand.
I got a dictionary.
Rings of Power: Fake Tolkien For Dumb People
RESPECT THE LORE
If Tolkien was bad, then why don't they just create original content for us all to be AMAAAAAZED at?
That's neil gaiman in the tweet, so...he has?
I actually enjoyed the Silmarillion more than LOTR.
Pretty sure copy and paste is how this whole series was written, starring:
Deesa the obeesa
Don lemon
Gwyneth Paltrow
Discount Rosario Dawson
And Marshall Mathers as "the beaver".
Can't wait.....
I think you’re right
I've never been so excited about seeing how bad a show is.
I come from an era where we didn't have any real non-industry reviews of television or motion picture productions. Channels like yours Jay, geeks and gamers, and all the other ones, are a God send to the public. I think I can speak for all of us that we are very appreciative of all the work you guys put in to give us honest reviews and above all, the joy of watching you guys piss off the establishment because you're affecting their bottom dollar. Cheers bro!
Money maker you mean.
I can't wait to, just to laugh at how ridiculous it's going to be. I can't believe those comments! How do you not remember Feanor the only elf that when he died his body ignited because of his fiery soul. That Feanor went to melkors home and fought his Balrog army by himself while his brothers try catching up to him. How do they not remember Ecthelion who took out three Balrogs and when he was so wounded he couldn't even hold a sword he managed to jump and stab the Balrog leader in the chest with the spike of his helmet knocking them both off a cliff killing them both. So much more too about the other characters I could go on....crazy ppl
The Silmarillion is from the creation of Arda to the end of the first age. The Ainurlindale is the creation itself (song of the Ainur) and the Akallabeth is the second age, the story of Numinor etc
You know I'm something of a scientist myself!! - Galadriel.
'This person'...talking about Neil Gaiman himself lol. The 'first-look' crowd reviews being SO similar was very interesting.
The shade that keeps being thrown at Tolkien’s work says everything we need to know
I never thought they would resort to saying Tolkien's work was bad. They have definately shat the bed now.
Mejor que el Silmarilion?
Nunca, el Amazon Fanfiction no tiene nada que ver con el Silmarilion 😠😡😡😡
Y el Silmarilion es como un compendio de varias historias de la creación del mundo y la primera era👍🏻🇨🇷
"LOOK AT MY SUIT, IT'S PLUM" I almost spit up my drink behind that. Your video Drunk, was EPIC....MESMERIZING ETC LOL
Hahahaha broooooo
"I'm here! Look at my suit! It's plum!" 🤣🤣🤣
Lol
In the scene of Galadriel climbing and her uncle's house crest on the shoulders of the armor. It makes everything so confusing.
Suilaid, mellon nin!
You are correct that this is the greatest backlash ever witnessed. Amazon watched the reactions of the fandoms of Star Wars, Star Trek, Doctor Who, The Witcher, Wheel of Time, James Bond, the Marvel and DC universes - and they had their canned responses and actions primed and prepped. But they were hit by a black swan: the global outrage of Tolkien fandom.
It is my sincere hope that "Rings of Power" enters the English language as a byword for failure on an apocalyptic scale - and it becomes a phrase denoting the same, like "jump the shark" or "Cousin Oliver".
#respectthelore
Wait ..WTH
Like grains of sand through the hour glass so are the Rings Of Our Lives.
"IMO, great addition to the Tolkien world."
What a clueless broad. She probably doesn't even know it's based a long established and rich lore which Amazon has bastardized.
I'm guessing most of them haven't even seen it. What they saw was a check and a small script to use on Twitter.
The Silmarilion is more of an anthology and historical record. Some parts are dry, there are intense short stories.
Galadriel's brother, who they show in the recent trailer, Finrod didn't die fighting an army. He died while imprisoned, he broke his chains and fought a werewolf to save Beren, then died from his injuries shortly after.
Take the topic seriously: IS TOLKIEN'S WRITING BAD? What does this even mean?
As a writer, and as a writer who did write something in the Tolkien style, what does this mean?
Amazon's writers are modern no talent writers. They are not gifted people. They are people 'educated in writing' by other liberals.
This means, the 'style'. Most of you know this style, even if you didn't realize it. Since they are bad writers, they usually fail at their own style.
SHOW DO NOT TELL. Tropes like that.
What did Tolkien write?
Much of Tolkien's work - as shown by Bilbo and his red book.
Was Bilbo a novelist?
Did Bilbo write screenplays?
Bilbo wrote HISTORY and COMMENTARY on history.
So, comparing this new show to Tolkien? Obviously, they are CONVERTING Tolkien into their style.
Tolkien spread his story ACROSS AGES!
Centuries can pass between one interesting thing and the next.
This makes great history, but when they want to film it? It is not their style.
Their style is... every character in the universe meeting on the same stage at the same time.
Did Tolkien write in the common modern style? He did not.
Tolkien was Bilbo. He is writing synoptic history.
Right?
Most of his work is not in the moment to moment novel style.
He pulls back from that.
The Fellowship of the Ring was a time when the characters were in ONE PLACE at the SAME TIME, and you can tell the hourly goings on.
What did they buy the rights to?
They bought SYNOPTIC HISTORICAL OVERVIEWS.
When they say... his writing style is mostly useless to them? It is.
It is mostly useless to us too, if we want to sell it.
You can't really sell synoptic stories easily, even though we actually love them. That is an industry issue.
World War Z comes to mind.
The books are in a Tolkien style while the movie just steals the name and is in their modern style.
Saying Tolkien is a bad writer is not true. Saying he did not write MOSTLY in the modern style is definitely true.
I love this post
@@Drunk3PO High praise coming from you. Much appreciated.
This is easily one of the most perceptive comments I've read regarding the differences in writing styles used in modern fiction vs. synoptic story telling. As a history buff I immediately understood the point you were making and I appreciate the nuances you brought into your articulation. It's the difference between reading for example a novel like The Killer Angels vs. reading actual historical accounts of the Battle of Gettysburg. Unfortunately I'm not sure it's a point that would readily be understood by the show runners or in fact one they care about.
Tolkien is spinning in his grave whilst Amazon dance on it. F**k Amazon.😜
It's one of the most translated and read pieces of literature in the world, all over the world. It's almost as the downvotes, all over the world, suggests that the only guys who didn't read it, was the show's production team.
For some reason, I've just never been able to get into Neil Gaiman's work. Now I understand.
these people who dissed the silmarillion have the attention span of a goldfish
Love your commentary & humor. You state what I'm thinking/questioning RoP but better than me. Keep it up!
Apparently these "privilege" individuals signed some contract to continue access and inclusivity to movies and shows that are actually horrible to use buzz words, i.e., "pleasantly surprised", "visually beautiful" "it's epic", etc. to hype this Rings of Power series. The Tolkien Fandom cannot be fooled.
By the way you did justice pronouncing The Simillarion a.k.a. The Nerd Bible correctly. As for these nimrods trashing The Silmarillion and prefers The Rings of Power reveals they never read or even owned a copy of Tolkien's book. Keep on making great content, mellon nin. 🙂
Boy, that escalated quickly. I mean, that really got out of hand fast. - Ron Burgundy.
It has a hobo giving a homeless guy in bath robes an apple so breathtaking
All of Tolkien's books were fairly different. The Hobbit was a short and simple book meant for kids. The LoTR was an epic series of novels meant to set up a mythology for adults. Then the Silmarillion which was mostly a collection of notes, closer to something like a text book. Much like with a social study book it's a bit dry and hard to read cover to cover.
Just wanted to wish you a happy birthday Jay
they're right. rings of power definitely redefines whats possible for television. because way back when, what we defined as possible for television was: its only going to get better. now with rings of power and the shows that follow the same woke script, they've redefined what is possible for television, which is: its only going to get worse !
So this takes place on upside down backwards world instead of Middle Earth.
Usually it takes longer for them to admit it. Either they are more arrogant or more foolhardy than most franchise abusers.
Silmarillion contains mostly first age stuff. But there is a big chunk of the book dedicated to the second age stuff. Rings of power is going to be second age but they don’t have the rights to the silmarillion so they cant use some pretty important info for it.
They re-wrote the events instead of just not using them: they made their own original story to replace what Tolkien wrote. The showrunners worded it like this: _"we had to write the novel Tolkien never wrote and turn it into a mega-event TV series"_ Y_Y
in Germany we have a afternoon show called "Rosins Restaurant" where an award-winning chef brings deep-in-the-reds restaurants back to life and into the profits.
Well, thats the official story.
Behind the scenes a crowd is invited to a test dinner at the beginning, given test cards with the anouncement not to give more than 6 points on a scale to 10 for any of the relevant categories (e.g. service, taste, looks...)
After the make-over there is another test dinner with the anouncement not to give a rating worse than 8/10.
hm, someone find similarities there to present topics?
Amazon: Behold, our new art work, in the same style as Leonardo Da Vinci.
Customers: This is nothing like the works of Leonardo Da Vinci.
Amazon: You're a load of racists, homophobes and misogynists. You're just upset because our art reflects the modern day.
Customers: Leonardo Da Vinci never used wax crayons in his art.
Amazon: Leonardo Da Vinci's paintings were never that good anyway.
Thanks for the vid you have a blessed Soul Jay have a blessed day and blessed life doing what you love and thanks for all you do for us Jay
I was pleasantly shocked when Galadriel said to Gandalf, "Shut up, you had me at Hello" and then they drove Elrond's Cadillac convertible off a cliff. #Ringsofpower. Epic.
Silmarillion is a history book not necessarily a novel. I am not surprised some people did not enjoy it. The story is in his other books.
It's more a book of amazing short stories, but written like the old mythological texts. It's freaking amazing but I do understand why some couldn't get into it - however I'm shocked to see authors who should have advanced reading abilities saying negative things about it when their own writing doesn't reach anywhere near that scale or depth :o But maybe that's why they didn't enjoy it - they know they could never replicate anything like it!
Ankle-Biter Gaiman is just trying to boost his own image by belittling Tolkien because he sold out in a way Tolkien never did and never, ever would.
"Like...okay guys I KNOW I totally comprimised my own artistic vision for Netflix dollars BUT what about that Tolkien, eh? Kinda overrated, wasn't he? See, I'm not the ONLY writer out there who makes stupid mistakes! Tolkien did it, too!"
A sentiment as untrue as it is pathetic. All of Tolkien's "2nd-tier" material was either A.) Supplementary to his "1st-tier" work (the "LOTR" saga) or B). Stuff he wrote for his own personal amusement that only eventually saw publication through his son. Hack Fraud Neil is judging those works by "LOTR" standards, which is like comparing apples to oranges. Or original works to their garbage Netflix adaptations.
I take it I'm the only person here who liked the start of the Silmarillion with the singing of the world into creation?
I think everyone who enjoyed Silmarillion must have loved that part? The entire book is a masterpiece!! Some of it even borders on Lovecraftian horror :o
I like that too.
Ever heard the saying, “don’t piss on my leg, and tell me it’s raining”?
The audacity of saying, “actually the Silmarillion was boring and poorly written and I love this cheapo pandering fan fiction show much more” says way more about Neil
Gaiman than it does about Tolkien.
Now everyone and their mom is a Tolkien expert, so expert in both Tolkien and literature that they can say that Tolkien's writing is not great, which is exactly what fantasy-hating critics said back in the day about him, while fans have always loved his books.
About Neil Gaiman, he's a man who has no problem treating his own characters like putty and raceswap, genderswap and do whatever the trending fad requires (Death was a white Goth girl when being so was edgy and counter-cultural. Now the trends require other things). It's okay because it's his characters. Him considering it's okay to do the same thing to other author's characters, when said author is no longer around to give his opinion, that's wrong.
That little tweet was outrageous.The second rater Neil Gaiman has been secretly praying to whomever he worships to have just a fraction of the wit and genius of Terry Pratchett(the writer he obviously envies) I know he was just a schoolboy then,but now...
@@photinuspyralis8306 He was a very close friend of Terry, so I would never suggest he is or was ever jealous of the old man.
The problem with Gaiman, I think, is that he lives in the age of subversion and deconstruction and doesn't see any other way to do things. It's fine and I enjoyed his AU of Snow White, but one thing is turning a free domain story and turn it into horror, or experimenting with your own characters and create different takes on a single story, and another is to encourage to do the same with the very author who absolutely loathed that.
I'm happy that Tolkien didn't live to see this world, because God only know how this bunch of talentless hacks would ruin his life and reputation.
And Tolkien DID give his opinion in one of his letters!!! Someone had been hoping to adapt LOTR and sent Tolkien the screenplay, and he was outraged at the changes and disrespect for the lore. His letter is pretty much him ranting for ten minutes about how adaptations that aren't faithful to the original work are deeply disrespectful to the author who created the work. Based on what he said, he'd have even been angry at Jackson's interpretation due to all the changes, let alone this abomination!!!
@@nalublackwater9729 Thank you for the answer.I know they were friends so maybe I'm being unfair.I have read two of his novels and it was hard work to like his characters never mind love them the way I love Terry's
Surely to be a "cinematic masterpiece" it has to be made for, you know, cinemas.
Comparing the rings of power to tolkien's writings is like comparing a 35-year-old neglected Honda civic to a fresh off the assembly line Lamborghini.
My favorite LOTR book is "Not that good?"
The gold C-3PO background is cool, I’ve seen it before but never commented
I like a good dumpster fire.
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"Rings of Power cannot be good because the source material was crap." - Morons
"So that means it is cancelled after the first season since it can never improve?" - Us
Perri Nemiroff is actually not that awful. She’s a big cobra Kai fan and said she’s willing to hear other ppls opinions
"the scale of this story has never been done before"
because this story never existed before
Tolkien the greatest fantasy writer ever, he's writing wasn't that good. The original Star Wars movies. kinda mediocre. Harry Potter books, pretty stupid. OK maybe the Harry Potter part is true.
Man creates the modern fantasy genre. Including entire languages.
And these people, who are incapable of creating anything on their own, say that his work is bad.
"Hearts even bigger than our feet" yet the writing of the Silmarillion apparently isn't good enough LMFAOOOOO. I'm continually surprised by just how incompetent these people are and how little they understand Tolkien.
Love the slightly edited copytext straight from the Amazon PR department. What the hell.
These are the people who you are supposed to trust with reviews... Never read a single thing from Tolkien.
They cant compare it to the silmarillion because amazon doesnt have the rights to it...only the appendices. We should be thankful.
I remember the silmarillion was not an easy read by any mean. But it was a great book full of fascinating épisodes and heroic deeds ! And i remember so many of them ! Even 20 years after reading it !
Morgoth killing the trees with the giant spider
The oath of the seven brothers
The crossing of the frozen sea and the first sunrise
Fingolfin vs Morgoth
The last resistance of the house of men in the swamp of Serech to protect the fall back of Turgon
Beren and Luthien
Turin vs Glaurung and the fall of Nargothrond
The fall of Gondolin
Earendil crossing the sea and finding the valars
The last battle and the fall of the king of all dragons
Come on ! If you truly love epic tales like LOTR there is no way you forgot the Silmarillion !
Oh yeah, super bad, just awful, that's why this one man built an empire off of a handful of books set in the same universe.
This small amount created by a single man has exploded world wide and was required reading curriculum when I was in school, only the hobbit, from there I fell in love and read the rest, then when they made the movies I watched the movies, oh yeah Tolkien's writing was terrible, that's why you guys are milking the cash cow right now in real time the cash cow created from his brilliant writing, FUCK I hate amazon...
Can you be more out of touch.
Let it all
Out !!!!!!!!!
@@Drunk3PO I gotta or I'll explode, that's why I didn't bother putting a question mark at the end of my last question, because it was rhetorical, no point in really asking.
I already know the answer and it's no, the second you blame any problems on your source for the material you are working with and not on yourself, you cannot be more out of touch, it just isn't possible.
Your lucky you got to read in school. My didn't have it on the set list for the year
“It’s pure Tolkien…”; how can this be pure Tolkien, if it is actually relieving itself on his grave? How? “… and yet feels very connected to Peter Jackson’s movies”; how in the world does the end of this sentence fit to the beginning? The ignorance and hypocrisy is palpable.
Also, I didn’t think my opinion of Neil Gaiman could sink lower after his harassment of comic fans upset with the changes to Netflix’s Sandman… But to see that he’s ok pissing on Tolkien…
Rip into what came before. That’s the final strategy. It happened with Star Wars A New Hope (“it was a bad movie that was saved in the editing room”) The Empire Strikes Back (“It was as divisive as TLJ today”) and Star Wars in general (“It’s a kids film about space wizards”). Why do they seem to hate the things they love?
“I kinda wish Starwars fan did the same thing”
Yes me too D3PO me too...
Are they TRYING to have Tolkien fans come at them with pitchforks and torches?! D8
The part where Galadriel slaps Iluvatar across the face and says, "The force is female!" And then makes him sit down to pee before assuming the mantle of Arda's ultimate deity actually made my butthole quiver. Amazon has, in truth, channeled Tolkien's will in crafting this CINEMATIC triumph!
I know the Silmarillion is a difficult read, but it is one of the most incredible books I have ever read.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Amazon didn't have the rights to Simarillion just the lotr appendices and while there's overlap if something is only mentioned in the Simarillion only it's off limits to have in the show. Although Amazon will probably pull the whole do it anyway and ask for forgiveness later.
How the showrunners (ie writers and creators) have worded it is: _"we had to _*_write the novel Tolkien never wrote_*_ and make it into a mega-event TV series"_ - the reason for this is they wanted to set it in the Second Age, but don't have the rights to Tolkien's actual Second Age novels (Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales) so they used Second Age events from the appendices - which are literally just like one sentence in a chronological timeline - and invented their own original stories to _replace_ the stories Tolkien wrote.
So in short - this is a fanfic at best, but it's not even written by fans. They chose to write their own stories to _replace_ the stories Tolkien wrote, rather than adapting any of the material they actually have the rights to!!
Ill agree that silmarillion is not that great a read, not if your looking for a story..
But it is for the people who loves Tolkins work, his world and wants to know more. It is small bits and pieces that explains what happend throughout time.. If you expect it to be a great story, you have failed to read a little about what it is.
I've TRIED to read it all my life. It's not a novel, it's a history book, and the first 30 pages are nothing but singing elves.
I love the silmarillion. I read history books for fun but it not for everyone
It's not supposed to be a story, it's a conpendium of Tolkien notes that his son put together after his death, it was supposed to be notes for other future writers so they could make those books all approved by him and under the "written by Bilbo Baggins" theme for all of them.
@@migangelmart then, you clearly haven't read the first 30 pages
You get many great stories in THE SILMARILLION!
New shure mic sounding good on these videos 🔥 Glad you guys started using something better than those horrible Yetti's. I had one too 😆
Ha! Thanks
"I can't wait to review this"
This is how they know their advertising is working. All they need is your views, positive reactions or not
The really interrestting thing is: I am following, as a life l;ong Tolkien fan, Amazons marketing strategy, for quite a while already and it's amazing, how they always come up with new sh_t, just to hide that their show is crap.
We say: They take to many liberties with the lore
Amazon answers: Oh the PJ movies bastardised Tolkien as well.
We say: PJ had the rights for the books, Amazon has sh_t all for Silmarillion or BouT
Amazon now says: Silmarillion is sh_t anyway, we do it better.
So whatever critisism they pick up from the comments in the web, they develop a conter lie trying to hide the flaws.
The only point from us fans, where i've not seen any reply from amazon yet is: Where is Celeborn, Galadriels husband that gave her her name "Galadriel"'.
If he doesn't appear in the show, then they have to admit, that they are not true to Tolkien.
Anyway, nice video. Thanks !
Every Twitter post has the words “epic, scale, scope, masterpiece, and CINEMATIC!”, hilarious.
The Silmarillion is the history of Middle Earth in much the same style that many real world religious books tell the history of their god/gods and their society. Think of it as a bible for Middle Earth.
If you can get past the first few chapters of the Silmarillion, there are some great stories in there. Its the naming of the Valar, and who they're married to will put you to sleep. It reads more like a history book than a piece of literature because essentially thats what it is. But if you sit and think about it, that is Tolkien's whole life written down in that book. He was a genius, and this show is going to bastardize his characters, which he wouldn't appreciate at all. Galadriel was never written as some warrior princess with sword and armor, and thats just the beginning of whats wrong. It reeks of giant Smaug doo-doo.