How Rick Rubin Almost Destroyed Eminem's Career
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- čas přidán 29. 04. 2024
- Across the storied pages of hip-hop history’s books, chemistry between two individuals has yielded no shortage of greatness. From Eric B and Rakim and DJ Premier and Guru through to Hov and Kanye or even 21 Savage and Metro Boomin today, finding the right groove between a producer and a rapper is akin to striking gold and, as plenty of people have learned over the years, can’t be forced. Likewise, if you’ve found that degree of synergy with one artist or beatmaking wizard behind the boards, there is no guaranteeing that you can repeat the feat.
One pairing that learned this the hard way and had to weather a whole host of criticism that besmirched their respective legacies is Eminem and Rick Rubin.
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Idc about Eminem rn Kendrick cooked Drake
😂😂😂😂🦾Dot went crazy
Right? It's been an hour and nobody is talking about it. Like wtf
That part
idk man, every Drake diss since Adidon feels kinda underwhelming 😂 dude had nothing to fight back, and Pusha seemed to have more ready to go. This feels more like WWE than UFC version of rap beef
Then why you here
Why does everyone forget about how good Em and The Bass Brothers chemistry was?
Yeah Superman and sing for the moment. Great production
THIS!
Em needs to make another record with those guys.
Marky and Jeff Bass? Yeah they did as the world turns, don't give a fuck, bad meets evil, still don't give a fuck, I'm back, etc
Musically they were great but unfortunately the vibe was always depending on the drugs. The brothers mentioned that in a interview that they understood why em walked away because it was feeding into his addictions.
I miss the Bass Brothers days
thats why dre and em are made for eachother man. no other producer or rapper can bring that chemistry that those two can
google Mark and Jeff Bass and be amazed who where behind the eminem we all love.
I'd like to hear Em and Just Blaze again
Gangstar and also Eric B and Rakim also had great chemistry. I’m sure there are more producer/rappers with great chemistry like Em and Dre.
Lies
@@vercettib_251 TOTALLY YES!!! Fly Away was a such good song
Mmlp2 was good Stop the Cap 🧢
Eminem produced most of his own biggest hits. He's an underrated producer, who writes his own lyrics. He produced "The Eminem show" himself, which went diamond, his most streamed, most famous album to date. He also produced for other people, and wrote a lot of Dr dres songs for him. Luis resto is Eminem's main producer not Dre like a lot of people are brainwashed to believe. Dr Dre has a lot of ghost producers and uses mostly samples where he just takes someone else's music Tweeks it a little, stamps it, puts his name on it and takes all the credit. The bass brothers and Eminem on production is what made his first 3 albums classics not Dre. Whenever your listening to an Eminem song check the song credits for who produced it, you'll see what I mean. The bass brothers (F.B.T) made the best version of Eminem with their production
Mel-man
Interesting
Only a true EM fan knows about the The bass brothers. The Slim Shady LP is still 🔥Listening to Brain Damage now.
But all the best songs off of MMLP are produced by Dre…and besides, there’s more to being a producer than just “making beats”…
@@francostrong202 Music is subjective. Eminem and F.B.T (bass brothers) produced most of that album 8 out of 14 songs Eminem has production credit on including the song"stan". The others were mel man and Dr Dre which a lot were samples. The song"kill you" from that album, Dre and Mel man produced. The beat was stolen and Dre ended up getting Eminem sued for copyright infringement. The first album the song"my name is" Dre sampled from labi siffres song "I got the".
Em can rap over any beat, we know that. The only reason MMLP2 is still looked at favorably is because Em was rapping at a phenomenal level. Most ppl can look past the beat selection.
Dude most of them beat was fire
MMLP2 was a masterclass in technical rapping.
@@taylorfenton3960i still go crazy when i hear evil twin or groundhogs day
Eminem lost it when he stopped using those kinda beats
Mmlp2 technically best eminem album and even Eminem writing was crazy all the track get like 5 minutes at least
Rubin didn't "almost ruin" Shady's career, he brought a different perspective. God forbid an artist does something different. Crazy most people just shit on Eminem for these albums not being the same as his old ones. I bet if he sounded like old Eminem they'd say that he needs to "get with the times." I think this channel needs better narration and stronger argumentative aspects if you truly feel that Rubin "sabotaged" Eminem.
I agree Em's been different after he got of the drugs
@evilsworn2901 ppl say a lot of crap about drugs and mental illness but they can take the mind to whole different dimensions in a good way
@@bunnyluver2176 time to break sobriety
MMLP2 is outstanding. such an underrated gem
It’s 90% cringe. Couple great songs. Tons of terrible ones.
I agree
@@eddthewordsmith
What's cringe about it
Man those beats were so terrible I couldn’t even appreciate Em’s rhymes
@@WesleyWilkins-qf2ky what beats specifically
It's a shame these two didn't work out. MMLP2 is probably my favorite Eminem album.
It is great but eminem show and mmlp for me. Mmlp2 could be 3.
@@turtleanton6539MMLP2 is amazing
That's crazy that album had 1 good song
That's horse shit Marshall mathers 2 was fire I love that album
It's mid by Em's catalogue. Some of those songs are some of his best (let's say top 100 songs) but the album as a whole was mid. Recovery as a complete project is better. MMLP2 probably comes right after.
The production on it wasn't great or rather it wasn't Eminem enough.
say what you will about Revival but MMLP2 is easily the best post-Eminem Show album he's put out and is in my personal favorite album he's put out. I think lumping it in with Revival and blaming Rick Rubin is a real flimsy way of looking at it
I agree, MMLP2, from the songs I’ve heard, sounds way more focused than almost every single track on Revival. Even Don’t Front which isn’t even a main track on the album.
I Would say my favorite after the Eminem Show is MTBMB both sides but I definitely respect having MMLP2 as yours. Aside from Revival and Encore I think his other albums are pretty solid overall.
@@fatedsculpture2596 100% agree, MTBMB is a very close imo
Relapse. Top 5 Eminem imo
Your bias is showing
mmlp2 is an amazing album
I came here to say that just myself. Look revival sucked, but MMLP2 was some of his best material in the last 20 years like some of those songs are still on my daily playlists to this day! Not to mention everybody hates new m&m but kamikaze / music to be murdered by and side B is all fire. FIRE!
Headlights is my favorite song the album
@@cassandragee6589 nice pick
For me it's either Evil twin or brainless
Generally the album is packed with good songs
@@cassandragee6589 *hears song in head* *cries*
@@CMCmakesmusic Groundhog Day was a hidden gem for me, didn't love it at first but love it now. Legacy is great
Eminem blew up at the perfect time, because I don't really see another white rapper being able to achieve the levels of success that he has anytime soon
@@umpin3 Yup, also formulas change; hell I don't even want to listen to Eminem *now* because his raps are super dated and there's no more _pain_ in them
Writer #1 is the only one who has a chance in my opinion. His track “the prologue” and “having fun” are fucking nuts
Mac was getting there
Id argue Mac Miller was the better artist. Eminem is an amazing rapper, but some of his beats and songs can get a bit whiny/not hip hop
Its easy. All they need is a Dre cosign 🤷🏽♂️
Mmlp 2 is a legit great rapping record it's a timeless classic
I loved the MMLP2, it’s still in my top 10 favorite
Ngl, parts of Revival were so bad that I thought he was trolling us. I’ve been waiting over 6 years for him to tell us it was a joke…and that the real album is coming out soon
He made Kamikaze confirming Revival was a serious effort 😂
I don't get ALL the hate that album gets. It's got it's misses, but believe and offended are absolute bangers.
@@alexallen6286 maybe offended but believe only has a good beat other than those songs everything else was horrendous
@fredyalvarez1434
Did you forget that “Castle” and “Arose” are on Revival?
@@loganleatherman7647 you said it before I could say it!
I still blame Rick Rubin to this day for what he did to _“Revival”_ (he also ruined Linkin park’s album 😒) imo if Eminem just did the production himself and kept ppl like Rick away so he wouldn’t have had his opinion skewed on what the album should’ve been or sounded, we would’ve gotten a way better project than what we got, because the subject matter was never the problem.
Edit: Also, MMLP2 was an amazing album!
Rick also produced MMLP 2 and that was way better. I don't know what went wrong with Revival.
In saying that there were a few hidden gems on there. Castle & Arose are 2 of the best songs he ever did imo and it's a damn shame they were so far into that album, a lot of people probably didn't hear them because of that. Got no doubt they would have been a lot bigger and more fondly remembered if they weren't. I also like Bad Husband, Walk On Water (I never got the hate behind that song), River and I don't mind Pink's hook on Need Me either.
LP's best albums were under Rubin. Revival was Em at his most thoughtful and mature.
Minutes to Midnight, A Thousand Suns & Living Things are all very strong albums and contain some of my favorite songs. But they are not their best albums, I love them, but the 1st 2 ARE LP's best albums & it isn't close.
Revival gets more hate than it should, although there are 1 or 2 track where (much like A Thousands Suns) where I wonder how they made it to the album.
@@Ethan-Entah Linkin Park got far better on their third album and even better on their fourth. The first two albums were too influenced by studio meddling.
@@PenneySounds now that’s cap. LP would have never been as big as they were without Hybrid Theory and Meteora. Those albums are monoliths.
Justin Timberlake? Rapper? Man ...what
Mmlp2 has some of Ems best work tbh
- So Much Better
- Rap God
- Survival
- Legacy
- Headlights
- Evil Twin
MMLP 2 is great album
Corey Taylor put Rick on blast about how lazy he was.
Lets not blame Rick for Revival tho. Theres alot that goes on into producing an album, alotta pple involved. Lets not just blame Rick Rubin for all of it but great video as always man.
Honesty mmlp2 is my favorite album of all time. Songs like bad guy, legacy, so far are storytelling masterpieces. I might be biased but give it another listen. Bless
I would like to hear Eminem do a whole album with Mike Dean (Scarface's producer).
This is one of the rarest times I have seen someone attach Mike Deans name to Scarface. A lot of people nowadays call him Travis Scott or Kanye West producer.
@moxictasculinity
Was just about to comment that. I associate him way more with Kanye and Travis
I was gonna say travis scott too😂😂😂😂 damn thats a deep and goes waaaay back, scarfaces producer has longevity and has evolved with the sound. Mike dean is known for working with travis scott and kanye😮
@@loganleatherman7647 word. Scarface from getoboys is like such a different lane from travis scott today, well mike dean has evolved with the times compared to rubin.😂
Eminem’s DJ, The Alchemist may have production of his new album.
I had no idea about this story, aside that Em and Rubin worked together. Very informative, I loved the video! Keep it up
The problem wasn't Rick. Em didn't know who tf he was then. He had seen success as a mature artist doing emotionally infused music and seemingly reinvented himself but he decided to say fuck that and rap with that accent, try to make radio friendly songs, rap a million miles a minute and (as per the norm, rap about rapping) and "lost himself" along the way. He eventually landed on the 'rappin about rappin and being the greatest' content and that's where he's been since. For two giant segments of his career, he had no consistent identity and no beats can fix that.
I’ll never understand why Em, knowing him and Dre make gems when they work, doesn’t work almost exclusively with Dre at this point. I like Rick, but Em and Dre have proved time and time again they’re incredible when they lock in together. Really hoping this next album has more Dre production.
I agree but I think it’s the thing of to much of a good thing could turn out bad. Atleast I think that’s what em thought, especially with how he said in one song that everyone wants him to work with Dre and others want him to work with new producers so Em has to find the middle ground. I personally would love a bass bros track or a Mel Man track with Em
Dre has had ghost producers for decades now
Well with the new album you got your wish
Dre is such a major recluse to the point his name is more popular; the legend of him is more popular than him the actual person. theirs also long been rumors that he hasn't actually produced the songs he claimed he did when at death row. studio engineers did the work and then put his name on it cause he was out due to drug habit but they needed his name to help promote.
I think Em wants to give more modern producers the spot
As a fan of both rap and metal/rock, mmlp2 is fs in my top 3 Eminem albums, i felt like they worked together very well on the album, plus Eminem's rapping on it was probably his best ever rapping. The disaster happened on revival, but mmlp2 was really dope.
great commentary!
I Love Rick Rubin.. ❤ His Vision and Approach, coupled with his Experience ans Passion for Blending Jenres is why I Admire his Input and Contributions to Cutting Edge music.. 👑😃👑 🕊🕊🕊
MMLP2 is even one of ems number 4 albums by harsh critics standards.
MMLP2 is a dope album. And there are some fire tracks on Revival.
That’s why when I heard Em’s Music To Be Murdered By; I swear I wanted cry. I screamed off the top of my fucking lungs 🫁--WELCOME BACK SLIM SHADY! Finally an album I didn’t have to skip all the way through.
Marshall mathers LP 2 was awesome
MM2 sold 3.8 million...
Keep them coming tho bro 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
though*
'MMLP2' was a fucking good album, nearly every song was solid, plus it even had a handful of great, or borderline great, tracks. 'Revival' came out when there was such a strong unwarranted and irrational hate in the media for Em, that critics destroyed the album before any music was released. The medias criticism was so harsh and wide spread, that it influenced, if not formed, a completely negative perception of the album, yet it was based only on the track list. Since the criticism came weeks before any music got released, there was obviously a different motive behind it. That album never had a chance and even today most people haven't bothered to listen to it, due to their opinion of that album being influenced by an assessment those critics broadcasted everywhere, before they even heard a song.
One of Ems best songs is "Bad Guy" MMLP2 is crazy
I was literally just in the middle of writing a comment about how Slipknot hated working with Rick Rubin, and blammo. There's the clip of Corey that I was in the middle of quoting.
That’s why you should always watch a video in its entirety before posting a comment.
@@rjdiggs738 a hurrr durrr thank u
I've been a fan of Em's since his first album came out, but I always find myself so confused over the hate for Revival. I thought it was really good 🤷🏽♂️
probably because it was a different sounding eminem. that everyone wasn't used to or prepared for. i honestly like how em sounds completely different in each of his albums. framed,castle,in your head, believe, chloraseptic, walk on water, tragic endings are my favourite revival songs.
This is an insane take. MMPL2 was 🔥 because of Rubin.
0:08 I'm nitpicking, but are we calling Justin Timberlake a rapper?
😂😂
I saw that too, & calling Em the most successful rapper of all time... I love Em but really??
@@blakjay011 don't try to change the subject underneath my post. This isn't Reddit. Make your own post about that.
@@blakjay011by numbers he is
@@blakjay011 Yes.
Bezerk was my favorite em song
That song is ass
I don’t understand the hate for that song it’s great
Really interesting take. Well done.
EM was doing his best with bass brothers productions.
I swear MMLP2 is so underrated!
Some people are so uncomfortable with the unconventional, and I get as an artist that that is a huge step to listen to someone's work and have a unique, maybe more time-consuming way of giving feedback.
MMLP2 was amazing.
The Best Album is SSLP
Because it was a poor eminem without money
He really make songs and you notice the hunger and how he feels like a normal person and not like a star
I just cant help but feel like the humour on that album has aged terribly. The ironic, hey look at me im so edgy and dont give a fuck. Kinda like NOT jokes that everyone used at the time. Oh your new shoes are fire! NOT! Hahahaha. It just sounds so dated now
I don't understand why people say that Em never has anything meaningful to say. It's misleading criticism.
This is the video ive been waiting forever for. Rick Rubin and Skyler Gray.
Mmlp2 was dope
My favorite Rick Ruben being out of touch story. He produced a Black Sabbath album and brought them a bunch of vintage tube amps to try out to try and "capture" their old sound and they were like wtf bro these amps aren't good and won't make any significant change.
CZcams algorithm wins again 😂.. Good stuff
MMLP2 is a dope album, Survival on the other hand when listening to it now n days was maybe to conscious for its time. Rick Rubin in my opinion is just a taste maker. And a damn good one
I loved Marshall Marhers LP 2!
MMLP2 was fuckn 🔥
MMLP2 was my favorite Em album after the first 3 of course.
I really like your content. I watch all of your videos. I usually agree with you and your thoughts and opinions in regards to rap/hip-hop. Even if I didn't, I understand and respect the fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinion(s). Ironically, opinions between two or more people are rarely the same. With that being said, Rick Rubin didn't almost tank Eminem's career. I think Dre's production and oversight with Eminem and his albums are unequivocally top teir and unmatched, there's no question there. Regardless, you seriously should revisit both of those albums and give them another listen. When and if you do, actively try to do it with an open min, and leave you bais' somewhere other than in the back of your subconscious thoughts during said revisist. If your opinion doesn't change after doing that, I'd be surprised, but it's fine one way or the other. Both of those albums debuted at number #1 for a reason, and a good one at that. They are legitimately solid albums beginning to end. Both have truly great songs on them. Yes, I'm absoultely talking about Revival, too. There are 3 types of people that think either of them are either middle of the road or outright bad. The first type are obviously the haters, the second type are willingly deaf with a lack of good taste, the third is some sort of amalgamation of both one and two, combined. I don't know if I would personally call them classics landing on S-tier, either. When compared to some of his other albums/projects, that is. They are undeniably A-teir, though. They are what I would consider to be a slight stray from his normal work, that's not even remotely a bad thing, either. People got used to a certain thing, and often reject change before they even consider if the change is for better or worse. I should clerify that Eminem is one of my favorite artists/rappers and his technical skills and rapping ability are undeniable. If someone says he's not good or mediocre, they are simply hating. However, my top 5 looks like this: 1.)Rakim 2.)Kool G. Rap. 3.)Tupac 4/)Big L 5.)Notorious B.I.G. If someone don't consider what my opinion(s) after seeing that, they are either haters and/or deaf. I should clarify however, although Em' doesn't make the cut for my top 5, he does respectively rank in my top 10. hopefully that's enough information about my taste in rap to help you consider my suggestion of revisiting those albums with an open mind. I can almost guarantee you'll change your mind about them if you do. I'm not being a 'Stan' about it, either. They are both extremely underrated albums, though. All because most people are either afraid of change, or they outright avoid it because they are uncultured, uneducated, and live in a microchosm of safety based off of consistant mediocraty. Both are the perfect recipe for illogical hate.
Berzerk goes hard I like that rap/rock mix
MMLP2 WAS 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
This man really said Justin Timberlake
Theres a mistake at 1:06. Mmlp2 is 2013 not 2014
“Heavy duty like diarrhoea” - this whole era in a rhyme. 🤣
I love MMLP2. Not a fan of the beats and production so much but I love the album overall still
burh what. MMLP2 a classic
MM2 Was pretty good.. I like Revieval.. Great 📹.. Respect.. 💐 💐 To the Greatest 👑 🐐. 🇸🇮. 🤘🏻
Maybe Rubin really gets his perfectionist mindset on when it comes to producing rock cuz god damn there no better, perfect produced album than Smashing Pumpkins’ Siamese Dream.
What they are saying MMLP2 is off tho. That album is really cool and lyrically it's incredible.
But…MMLP2…was good…I even…even liked the production…
Mmlp2 lackluster? Who believes that? That’s my favorite album of all time
yeah this video is some bs, revival was mid but mmlp 2 is an A tier album, people just be saying anything.
@@cmshadyyyea I feel like mmlp 2 was s tier
Berzerk sounded so weird to me the first time I heard it. It sounded like 3 songs on top of one another and I didn’t really understand what I was listening to :p
Literally everyone sleeps on MMLP2 and Revival. MMLP2 is just fantastic, and Revival took time to grow, but the lyricism is absolutely incredible throughout the entirety x
The rock influenced sound worked for Em sometimes. White America is in my top 5 favorite Em songs.
Mmlp2?...lackluster???
Nahhh kid
Bro Berzerk is awesome wdym
Finally someone said it 🙌
Rick rubin’s book is really good
I think Rick Rubin did a great part being involved in MMLP2 which I believe to be EMs last great album and I still enjoy it till this day but what the hell was Rick and everybody around Em telling him during the creation of Revival?
It’s crazy to think it’s been over 22 years since Eminem dropped his last classic album- the Eminem show
Some ppl will say recovery. I personally liked relapse. He was dark and hilarious on that one
@@WesleyWilkins-qf2kyI’m one of those people. Recovery absolutely is a classic to me it really helped me through similar struggles he faced & it’s full of motivational bangers start to end no skips. Plus it was last album all over MTV, the radio & CZcams here in UK also was during his Era making 🔥 with Wayne on No love & drop the world, he bested 3 goats on forever, huge hits love the way you lie & monster with riri, rapgod def a classic single. Love kamikaze album too. Relapse def is cult classic amongst fans. Eminem show is Ems Magnus Opus but it isn’t his last classic by any means to most hiphop fans around the world.
@jessicarichter6436 The only em albums I really just haven’t cared for were MMLP2 and revival. Largely because of the production. I like recovery. He had some club type hits on there. 25 to life is my absolute fav on there. But relapse.. songs like same song and dance and stay wide awake.. and the other more darker content. Even beautiful
Kendrick dropped
About time! Hope it's worth the wait. And now that I've listened to it, I'll say it was indeed worth the wait, lol.
@@joshstrope1092 nah its weak af not worth the 2weeks wait even ye remix was better than the bs he drop
@@johnnny9 I definitely don't think it was weak. It's all subjective at the end of the day.
@@joshstrope1092 🤷♂i was expecting some head shot career ending diss track that was definitely not it
@johnnny9 I get where you're coming from. Maybe that hit em up style of track will come later. I just don't think either of them want to go that hard and turn it into something more than just a rap beef.
Bro those tracks were on point. I don't care what any of you say
Bro I've been saying this. Rick rubins over production was too much
Those two albums sold 20 million together though.
*YES*
The first thing that comes to mind is that Dre has smooth beats and Em has a rough delivery. Rubin’s 99 problems was a rough beat with Jays smooth delivery.
Em and Rubin is like rough flows on rough beats. I keep thinking of “in your head” that loud sample with Em’s rough delivery did not mesh well
I don't think Eminem has a rough delivery, he just tends to shift his flow and cadence a lot so that his words and syllables are punctuated by the music.
Despite what you might think, Rick Rubin is OBJECTIVELY one of the greatest producers, across all genres of music, in all of human history. He undeniably helped pioneer, not just hip-hop, but a good amount of what became late 90's punk and metal, AND even some country albums (pretty much just posthumous Johnny Cash, whom everyone loves). Rick is genuinely a music god. I think him and Em N E E D to try again
3:07 this what Kobe be picturing he be doing in his head when he telling those lies 😹😂
If I only had one shot
We all know Ems one of the goat rappers & top tier lyricists but Ems also a phenomenal producer he learnt from the best with Dre ofc. Ems best & biggest album the Eminem show Em produced himself, he did a lot of his own biggest hits & for other artists too 🐐
Justin Timberlake and Timbaland being called an old school duo, while Kanye and Jay are called a modern duo is crazy lol. Kanye and Jay’s first collab was in 2000
MMLP2 is my favorite Eminem album idgaf what everyone saying. This album is incredible.
100% agree. It was an actual masterpiece
🐐🔥
I liked MMLP2 the same amount that I disliked revival. Literally polar opposites
MMLP2 is my third favourite
you won't know my name but rubin has a good ear and that's about it. hes a very very lucky man
Revival was bad but there ain’t no way we’re going to rewrite history and say mmlp2 was bad and lackluster that’s crazy😂, mmlp2 is a great album and is as close as we’ve to em’s classic albums
I always wanted a premo and em album
Nahhh, MMLP2 was the last time that Em put out a truely creative album. Brilliant piece or work
MMLP2 was good but Revival was so terrible and I definitely blame Rick Rubin and everyone around Em involved with that project including Rosenberg. Like who thought any of those beats sounded good? Who thought that the album needed those pop artist features? It is the weirdest Eminem album for sure. Felt like no one actually cared to make something good. Thankfully Kamikaze after was amazing.