Crime in the Countryside
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
- What is the true cost of poaching and rural crime?
This project, made with the National Gamekeepers Organisation took us the length and breath of britain to find out some of the monetary and emotional costs of poaching and rural crime.
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John, this is something that ought to be on television to bring to the attention to of every one. My self and my mates try to keep an eye out when we're running at night. The trouble is these people don't care who they harm or what they do.
Yes indeed..... perhaps if a few of them got shot, they'd think again.... but of course in the UK only the criminals are armed... good folk aren't allowed to defend themselves....
I’m American and I’ve never heard about any of this. Stay safe across the pond! 🇺🇸🇬🇧
Rural America isn't any different. All the crimes the police file reports on and arrest someone ONLY IF the case is handed to them in the city, are largely ignored in rural areas... not enough big money in the countryside for government to care, so there's not enough manpower to adequately police it. Criminal Trespass, B&E, Theft (often grand-theft), Menacing, and Assault are too common in many places (far above what one would expect for the population). We've called the Sherriff's office for assistance several times, and the lag between the call and their arrival has spanned from an hour to the next day lol (basically, "are you dead yet? If not, we'll get to you when we get around to it"). The state game and fish commissions often ignore calls, and in the rare case they do show up, they sometimes take the gun (poachers often use the cheap guns for that reason) and just tell the person to apologize and promise "never to do it again" lol. On public land, they are likely to cite you (because how dare to violate state property), but on private land, they don't care. You tell someone that they can't hunt your land, and they try to do it anyways, or they get permission from your neighbor, and then shoot across the property line and drag them back across. Growing up in Ohio, it wasn't uncommon to see people hunting from the road in their trucks with rifles (Ohio didn't allow rifles to be used at the time, let alone hunting from public roadways). The states will hand out a hunting license to anyone with the $25 to pay them, all they have to do is attend a "hunter's education", which having been to one... is about worthless. I've about been shot 3 times in the last 10 years, due to all the Fuds that come out of the woodwork to "hunt" aka: sit in a tree and shoot at anything that moves, AKA lob bullets all over the countryside (because most of them pick up a firearm exactly 2 weeks a year and that's it) (that's not including the poachers). Many states aren't doing a whole heck of a lot about CWD in our deer herds, and the American Bison is still confined largely to Yellowstone Nat. Park, due to a lack of any effective conservation measures from the states or Fed Government.
The Fed. Excise tax on Sporting arms and munitions (with firearms, it's 11% on long-arms, and 10% on pistols and ammo) is supposed to be allocated to the states to fund conservation efforts... where are the efforts? At least Maine has tried multiple times to reintroduce Reindeer, only to fail each time because Caribou are highly dependent on Old-growth forests to survive, but not much money has been put into researching a way to produce that habitat in a reasonable timeframe. No real efforts have been made to reintroduce Elk to the majority of the US. There is no program that I am aware of in the US, to compensate farmers and other citizens for economic losses due to wildlife using funds procured from hunting licenses, so the wildlife is often looked at as pests to be eliminated. Yet when people set up hunting preserves to protect the wildlife (and the public from damages from them) and provide for them (and themselves) "conservation" organizations decry it as "canned hunting", even though it is far from it; and pop culture convinces people that it's "horrible" if a land owner wants to charge to go hunt.
More and more these days, it seems the only good way to deal with poachers is to have a "hunting accident", unfortunately (especially because more and more of them seem willing to get violent in order to get away with it). Just a few years ago, the state finally jailed a guy who had been caught by the state game wardens over 6 times poaching deer on property he had no right to hunt on... and he had been caught (to no effect) countless other times by land owners poaching. Each time the state caught him, they took his equipment, occasionally they fined him. Did the landowners, who's lands are utilized by the deer he was poaching receive compensation for the destruction of the natural resources on their lands? NO. The state "claims" each deer is worth over $100,000, yet the land owners never see a dime... it's corrupt as hell, and our children are going to pay the price if we don't start pushing the issues.
Tsar, here in the States we take care on them in the States ,never to worry about them again 🇺🇸 take em to the train station also
@@wildrangeringreen They've reintroduced Elk in various states including Kentucky, Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee, Michigan, Arkansas, and Wisconsin. Seems they've been talking about trying in Ohio for a while.
Needs to be shown on mainstream media thanks Jonny for another well executed video.
Look no further than the travelling community, we all know its them but the Police are too scared to tackle it.
Travelers are only a small part of it; the problem is far wider than that. When I was a younger I knew a group of about ten lads, (all working, none of them travelers), who would regularly go out and poach, (fish and birds).
most poachers nowadays just seem to be rough scally shit looking for kicks and for anything that may be worth stealing whilst they're at it.
It's amazing how those brave sabs are conspicuous by their absence when it comes to hare coursing and poaching...
We had game camera footage of an individual carrying a centrefire rifle on land they had no business being on. We also found the heads, legs and gralloch from 6 fallow does. We also had paperwork from the local game dealer proving that 6 carcasses where dropped off at the same time by the same person.
This person holds a firearms certificate and in my opinion should have been completely banned for life, however, Devon & Cornwall police wanted nothing to do with it.
The authorities HAVE to take responsibility and address this. It is far too expensive for landowners to bear the full cost of combating poaching. The lack of proper engagement by governmental bodies is a problem worldwide, not just in Britain
Difficulty would have been demonstrating in court that the deer at the dealer were the same as were killed (could be done with DNA if they police were willing to request it and were able to retrieve the carcasses), but more importantly that the heads and gralloch were from deer killed by that guy on that land. By the sounds of it anyway.
@@guy1234484
The deer were kind of irrelevant.
As firearms license holders we are either allowed on allocated land or have an open ticket and can shoot anywhere with the landowners permission. He had no permission so was trespassing with a firearm.
@@chriswoods1558 I’m surprised they didn’t take that forward if he could be readily and easily identified from the video, but they may have decided to just NFA it with a warning. Police are so under-resourced at the moment, that’s the main issue
They question me why I want one calibre over another but don't prosecute someone who shouldn't be trusted with firearms.
They are totally dis-organised.
I was told to send in my co-terminus renewal 2 months early because they are under-staffed so I did. They cashed the cheque after a month. I rang them as my licence was about to expire as technically id be illegally storing all my guns. They then told me the paperwork was lost and that id have to do it again.
They sent me a temporary permit which must have taken as much time to print as my new ticket.
The next day a girl rings me to say that I don't need to send another form in and its with the FEOs.
They could not organise a bun-fight in a bakery.
Fantastic I’m glad someone is speaking up about this!
We have a definite way of handling this in the states….
Yep ;)
We don’t want gunfights here in the UK
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This is the sought of video that should be brought to the attention of MPs in general and the various government agencies responsible for setting the rules about what happens in the countryside. Mountains of paperwork and regulations spew forth from these bodies on every conceivable aspect of farming and wildlife and nothing is done about basic criminality in rural areas. A start would be a look at the question of trespass and the penalties that attach to it and the sign posting denoting rights of way - something to prevent complete strangers wandering where they have no right to be, even a farm yard, and then claiming they thought it was a right of way. “Innocent” trespassers who have “strayed” off clearly marked rights of way are not necessarily “innocent” at all. Its strange that we have some of the best animal welfare legislation in the world and yet show no concern for the welfare of those that look after them and the countryside they live in.
There's absolutely loads of guys looking for permissions, wether it's shooting rats in barns or shooting pigeons or squirrel in woodlands, on my permissions it's a duty to look after the farmers interests and allow them to have a cup tea in front of the telly knowing we are going to question anybody who shouldn't be there, rural crime is growing, and it's up to us all who love the countryside to help protect it
Some months ago in Germany two police officers had been murdered by poachers, and food and wood thieves are in last years a rising problem in my country. Formerly, up to 1970s , there had been unarmed fieldguards ( Feldhüter).
We need a way to protect our land, to protect our animals. As a gamekeeper our game animals aren't classed as livestock so we can't defend them as we can with cattle and other livestock animals. We can't go after those coursing/poaching and we can't go after their dogs. We need a way to protect ourselves.
Hmm... implements to protect your land and animals with, oh my, oh my, what are they called... Hmmm a means of defence that we're legally denied here in the UK, what could it be called...
Fucking stupid British legislation.
Why not just allow landowners the option to defend their property. In the US, if we had some people driving trucks all over my property we’d pepper their trucks with some 12 gauge and that would be that.
In the USA, Mr, you can shoot someone for just trespassing property, only if that situation indicates posible danger..so before giving advice, pleae learn your laws there....because even in the USA, there are laws regarding self defense, and you can be taken to a court if you just shoot someone for just trespassing property or just for passing by.The little details, will make the difference. I am not impressed by your comment.
Having known some one for the pot types, they hate the destructive, greedy, violent ones just as much as the keepers do, fortunately 'most' keepers are pretty good and have given those lads permission in the understanding they'll be an extra set of eyes and give out a more 'robust' response than the keepers can be seen to do, the gate rammers should be delt with Victorian keeper style in my eyes, pivot guns and man sized gins
So where is the police in all this. They should feel ashamed for allowing this to happen.
Struggling to do everything because the Tories slashed their resources to the bone. There are simply greater numbers of key performance indicator crimes being reported in urban areas, so naturally the limited resources get prioritised there. The only proper solution is real investment in our criminal justice system from top to bottom. The courts are creaking under the strain of cuts and can’t even process the cases. It’s a total shambles.
Cameras, in Australia we have a similar problem. Pig hunters, I have many friends that are pig hunters and I also hunt pigs but there are also many that have no regard for private property, or live stock. They will cut a fence down to gain access and kill a beast, leaving it to rot to bring the pigs in. If you approach them you are taking your life in your hands. So cameras as many as you can afford placed in trees etc. and don’t just let the police take them to court, personally sue them as well. Word gets around.
Rural crime here in Canada is still a pretty big, if some times silly.
For example, live stock theft (such as cattle rustling) is still a primary concern. Though less violent than it was in the 19th and early 20th centuries it's still potentially very dangerous.
You also have folks you kill farm animals for kicks.
On the otherhand you have crimes that are downright absurd. For instance a fella once to a whole transport truck full of cargo.
What was the cargo?
Blueberries.
Why? I don't know.
There was a whole miniseries on CBC called Farm Crime that cover these stories if anyone is interested.
The Police aren't interested in our area, just say they've no resources available.
be fair,they only get £14 billion a year to waste
@@rodneyhull9764 Spot on!, & with all the up to date technology, ANPR cameras etc they still cant catch anybody!. A keeper near me reported hare coursing on his land as it was happening. They said they will send someone out. Three days later plod turned up asking where the coursers were!! ...Tossers!!!
@@rodneyhull9764 and it’s nowhere near enough. Neither is the courts or prisons budget. It’s all very well catching all these criminals but if the criminal justice system is so unable to process these criminals and nobody to manage their sentence or prison to put them in then what’s the point?
@@guy1234484 well if £14 billion buys us a success rate of 7% of crimes solved, I think money isn't the bottleneck its just a crap service.
start setting nail strips to pop tires. after being stranded a few dozen times theyll stop. its amazing how soft the previous rulers of 60 percent give or take of the known world has become.
tinkers
Aye.
I think it was in Rob Roy I learned about them.
Well done for bringing this to our attention.
Excellent! This is such an important issue and it is really great that you are giving some attention to this. Wildlife and environmental crime has thankfully been getting more attention, but as you say most of the focus is on protecting pretty things. Raptor persecution is an important issue, but it isn’t the only thing going on. And unfortunately the discussion regarding that topic is so emotional that it is difficult to implement practical and effective policy. As a follow up, how about a piece on fly-tipping? It hurts the land, it hurts the wildlife and it is the landowner who has to cover the (normally very high) costs of clean up.
A huge problem worldwide. We have similar problems here in Africa where game parks are hard pressed to prevent intrusion, which is often spurred on by poverty and hunger. Unfortunately there seems to be no easy solution other than costly surveillance cameras, drones, motion sensors and forming rapid response teams that can act a lot quicker than the authorities are ever likely to manage. Maybe drastic measures such as tire spikes on access roads, that can be raised remotely to stop escape, need to be looked into? This needs to be recognized as a serious issue by authorities as there is no way landowners can afford the resources necessary to adequately combat poaching
Give the man the right to defend his property, that would be a good start. These lot are total scum! The penalty for these crimes are too lenient, also these tyres are uneducated into the impact they have, plus they don’t give a crap! Well done JC for putting this on YT, share this across all social media guys! Thanks JC
Great video! I have friends who are farmers, and poaching is (as was mentioned) just the tip of the iceberg!
As an American, let me see if I get this correct. The Gamekeepers cant carry a firearm for protection as theirs are more for predator control, and the Police dont for some strange reason, yet it sounds like in a lot of cases they are going up against armed poachers? Per the definition, a Gamekeeper is the same as our Wildlife Officer, which in some cases have more power than a city or county LEO. They protect the wildlife, enforce the rules and have arrest powers, but also carry a sidearm (difference in culture). Our W.O. also rely on hunters and land owners to help police the territory as there are only a handful per area much like your Wildlife & Heritage Crime Officer. I think the main difference, from what I gathered from the video at least, is that we have a little stricter punishment; high fines, confiscation of poachers property (car, gun, house) and jail time. Also, in most of the states, we have the right to defend our property with force, making it legal for land owners to take matters in their own hands Reading the comment, it looks like Farmers can protect their "livestock" but Gamekeepers cant protect the wildlife). IMO, Britain needs to grant more power to the Gamekeepers and have stricter punishments. Also they should be able to carry a pistol or semi auto rifle being out in the middle of nowhere and the police should take these crimes more seriously.
Absolutely despicable! Doesn’t the UK have similar laws as we have here in Finland, that if a person is caught hunting illegally (for example hunting from a vehicle), the state takes possession of all hunting equipment, up to and including the vehicle?
Amazing work! Better then you see on T.V not that this would get much light on T.V but need to be popularised more so that people in the cities see how people in the countryside love the land they work and live on.
Outstanding work from the music, camera work, editing and interviews well done and please keep this work going and thank you for putting out such great content.
Jon, his is pretty sad. However, all is not lost and with some decent lobbying of the MPs something can be done. In Texas, poaching is a serious crime with very serious consequences and that's only if the perpetrators are arrested by law enforcement. In the case of a landowner or their employees, well the story goes something like this "the poacher had a firearm and I feared for my life" end of story. crashing a vehicle into the kennels? Please refer to our "Castle Doctrine" On the big ranches there is never any poaching, occasionally an abandoned vehicle but surprisingly seldom a driver.
The U.K. isn’t Texas though Jim. Shooting a trespasser on agricultural land, even an armed one, is an all but guaranteed trip to jail for murder.
@@guy1234484 REALLY? Fuck that place! Maybe you could write the "queen"? It's no one else's responsibility to protect your land, family, and self. That's your responsibility alone.
@@guy1234484 I think you're confusing what constitutes a "modern society". What I believe you meant to type was: ..."in a weak and docile society..." I know in my heart there are still some hard men walking around the UK with both testicles. Sounds like your government needs it's ass whipped again. 1776 style.
(Edited for grammatical errors)
This is a truly fantastic video and I cannot agree with you more. Please take this to the big publishing and media houses.
The biggest problem we in our area is fox poachers. If I ever see a person poaching my foxes I will ask them how much pepper they add.
Idk, seems like they are poaching because of the lack of legal hunting opportunities, maybe the UK should have public hunts on public lands so lower income hunters aren't forced to trespass in order to practice their hunting traditions. Maybe I am just biased as an American where hunting opportunities have always been available to everyone and not just reserved for the nobility.
interesting idea. Island too small with way too many people crammed onto it. Every scrap of land and most waters and even some beaches are privately owned unfortunately
Excellent video.But unfortunately it been going on for years and they know there untouchable.
There were some poachers on my neighbours land and in true idiot fashion they drove straight into a wet hole in the middle of the field and got stuck. Police showed up next day and reported the car had been stolen from Barnsley the night before. So they stole a vehicle, and drove it over 100 miles just to poach deer. And what’s worse, the poachers we get leave the deer where they fall, muddy wheelings up to the animal so they went and looked at it, but then leave it intact.
Another fantastic informative film big fella, being a townie who has only been out in the country a short time, Beating,pest control and generally loving this new life I find this totally shocking that this scum think they can just do what they want and if you challenge them your likely to get hurt , the government need to help the farmers/landowners with stronger criminal charges.
That's another difference between America and the UK. Firearms are commonplace on farms, so generally speaking the criminals end up hurt rather than the citizens.
Great production quality, could easily be on tv.
YIKES!!! As an American, ive always thought it was relatively relaxed in the British Country Side! The Poachers and Animal Rights people are on a WHOLE other level over there!!! Stay Safe!!!🇺🇸🙏🏼🇬🇧
I utterly despise poachers.
Its the traveller, someone needs to stand up to them!
This is insanity! Here in the States poaching is a huge deal. Might have to do with how we view wildlife as a public resource, and poaching is stealing from every single person when it's committed. Poaching is often found and prosecuted with hefty fines depending on the circumstance. Many states Actually scale your fine to the value of the animal taken, IE: if you shoot a 200 inch muley it's going to be 10s of thousands as compared to a 50 inch immature white tail being a couple grand in fines. Plus our Game wardens are actual police who arrest and give tickets to people. Like I am fascinated by the European system of game management, but it really looks like you guys have no teeth in your game regs and laws.
I wonder how the poachers would feel if there property was attacked in the same manner, they burn your barn, you burn there property.. but the problem is eventually you end up in a Hatfield vs McCoy style scenario.
Criminals aren't scared of the cops if they did or if they had morals they wouldnt do it.. they need to fear their victims..
I really miss hare coursing The proper way not the way it’s done now a days Drive in the fields getting violent this is all down to the ban that has never worked I now do a lot of shooting And on my permission there is a lot of hare coursing The police can’t be bothered with it anymore when you report it and the people coursing Just don’t care So the ban obviously isn’t stopping anyone And never will I just feel sorry for the farmers because everyone I talk to say it’s got much worse since the ban
Hmmm, can't imagine who would be tress-passing, poaching, illegally betting and damaging peoples land? A community perhaps, one that is especially transient maybe?
When you no longer have the right to defend yourself and your property all is lost to the mob.
How very Clockwork Orange...
You should be able to carry a gun that way if they threaten you you can defend yourself i live in the US and if I was threatened with bodily harm the person has had a bad day because I am armed
There’s a reason the homicide rate in the U.K. is much lower than in the states Bill, and our police force is able to be mostly unarmed!
@@guy1234484 And the UK has twice as many rapes, more crime victims, more assault victims, more opiate use...I mean I can do this all day. If you like being victimized, more power to ya.
@@RustySprocket I assume you have some evidence for that bold statement?
No such thing as one for the pot
Just taking pi££
No rules
No respect
No response
No punishment
I don't understand part of this video. Land owners in my part of the world are normally happy to issue permission for licensed firearms owners to enter their land for pest control. Is that not the case in the Uk?
A real eye opener 👀
It’s call socialcomunism!
Or Anarchocommunism.
Really sad lock any poachers up for a minimum 2 years upwards depending how bad the crime was 👍
You reckon? I think it should be like as the gamekeeper said, a punishment that fits the crime. Should a teenager with a catapult shooting a pigeon get 2 years? should an old man with a whippet who caught a rabbit on a footpath get 2 years and dog taken away? Be realistic. 5 years for anyone using a rifle or shotgun and ban on certificates for life. 2 years for taking vehicles onto land an causing damage while poaching. And just a fine for a lone person doing the 'romanticised ideal' of what a poacher should be, which doesnt exist apparently.
Get John wicks to sort it out you would not hurt is gun dog.
City boy here.I wish there were proper bastard sentences out there to punish these criminals. However,the countryside isn't a special cause that should be singled out for preferential treatment. A useless police service and a crap court system affects townsfolk more seriously in my opinion.
Caravan Dwellers?
Weirdest promo for Midsomer Murders I've ever seen.
I’m sure dramatically edited CZcams videos complete with slow motion drone footage will certainly discourage poachers much more than a few of the poachers ending up …….poached. .
Poachers in the US pray they’ll be caught by law enforcement,,,,, and not property owners…….
....and the law actually protects them from good folk....you are forbidden to take effective action..... It's like that in NZ too... the law protects the thugs from the rest of us.
Sadly, I see poaching and blackmarket trade is only going to increase, greenflation is going to push people into doing and supporting more desperate acts.
A little bit over dramatic.....I think they have had thier info from all of the drunk game keepers blowing it up. Boo boo some smack head run into your kennels this is Gypsies....not just poachers. I may or may not have poached a long time ago, but it is very respectfull, keep quiet and take a couple of phesants for the pot maybe and go home, if you get caught hold your hands up and apologise. Since then I have never had problems this is total drama and its total rubbish. Besides.......who can tell an English man he can't eat from his own efforts, right to hunt should be a civil right and right of way like in france should be allowed.
Interesting surname Tim, do you have any relatives in Australia?
Johnny I don't like hearing crime on the countryside make me upset
It’s a sad reality
who are the idiots that rate this film thumps down poachers/antis I bet. excellent film John and crew
Seems to be pykies. Shoot the engine block as they will use the vehicle as a weapon under the law
Fantastic video and a very important topic more power to you
Interesting show. Crooks will exploit the weaknesses of any system.
Rather different situation over here; with game animals considered public property (actually, property of the state), relations between game wardens and property owners are no less adversarial than with anyone else. They are free to trespass without a warrant, and set up surveillance equipment on your property unbeknownst to you.
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I'm glad you're all robbed.
Aren’t you a kind person
@@tgsoutdoors says the people thst murder animals for "fun"
@@Andy-uf8jq if they robbed, criminals will have even more guns. Moron.
@@Gangster88232 good. At least criminals are honest about how terrible they are
@@Andy-uf8jq if you've got enough money you can kill all day . Toffs quaking coz thay might miss out on a few quid.
Cameras and drone strikes. It worked in Afghanistan.
Here in the qeer old corrupt 🇬🇧 a lot of the poaching and Hare coursing is done by the gypsy communities and a good lurcher can be worth many thousands of £s. The main thing is the betting can be anything from a few 100 to many tens of 1000s of £s. I seen £100000 change hands on a losing dog bet. My old lurcher a Saluki cross collie has a value I have been bid 10 grand..she's a good runner and never let's up till she totally exhausted and have had to be lifted and carried home..