I cherish the dedication and intrepid spirit of Dr. Elaine Pagels and the passion she puts into her work. Thank you Derek for giving her the time and platform to bring her insights forward.
*The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis.* Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. ***These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.*** *Famous stories such as the Fall of Man and the Great Flood were originally conceived and written down in Sumer,* translated and modified later in Babylon, and reworked by the Assyrians ***before they were used by the Hebrew scribes for the versions which appear in the Bible.*** ***In revising the Mesopotamian creation story for their own ends, the Hebrew scribes tightened the narrative and the focus but retained the concept of the all-powerful deity who brings order from chaos.*** Marduk, in the Enuma Elish, establishes the recognizable order of the world - *just as God does in the Genesis tale* - and human beings are expected to recognize this great gift and honor the deity through service. *"Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text - World History Encyclopedia"* *"Sumerian Is the World's Oldest Written Language | ProLingo"* *"Sumerian Civilization: Inventing the Future - World History Encyclopedia"* *"The Myth of Adapa - World History Encyclopedia"* Also discussed by Professor Christine Hayes at Yale University in her 1st lecture of the series on the Hebrew Bible from 8:50 to 14:30 minutes, lecture 3 from 28:30 to 41:35 minutes, lecture 4 from 0:00 up to 21:30 minutes and 24:00 up to 35:30 minutes and lecture 7 from 24:20 to 25:10 minutes. From a Biblical scholar: "Many stories in the ancient world have their origins in other stories and were borrowed and modified from other or earlier peoples. *For instance, many of the stories now preserved in the Bible are* ***modified*** *versions of stories that existed in the cultures and traditions of Israel’s* ***older*** *contemporaries.* Stories about the creation of the universe, a cataclysmic universal flood, digging wells as land markers, the naming of important cultic sites, gods giving laws to their people, and even stories about gods decreeing the possession of land to their people were all part of the cultural and literary matrix of the ancient Near East. *Biblical scribes freely* ***adopted and modified*** *these stories as a means to express their own identity, origins, and customs."* *"Stories from the Bible"* by Dr Steven DiMattei, from his website *"Biblical Contradictions"* ------------------------------------------------------------------ In addition, look up the below articles. *"Yahweh was just an ancient Canaanite god. We have been deceived! - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"* *"Debunking the Devil - Michael A. Sherlock (Author)"* *"The Greatest Trick Religion Ever Pulled: Convincing Us That Satan Exists | Atheomedy"* *"Zoroastrianism And Persian Mythology: The Foundation Of Belief"* (Scroll to the last section: Zoroastrianism is the Foundation of Western Belief) *"10 Ways The Bible Was Influenced By Other Religions - Listverse"* *"January | 2014 | Atheomedy"* - Where the Hell Did the Idea of Hell Come From? *"Retired bishop explains the reason why the Church invented "Hell" - Ideapod"* Watch *"The Origins of Salvation, Judgement and Hell"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica (Sensitive theists should only watch from 7:00 to 17:30 minutes as evangelical Christians are lambasted. He's a former theist and has been studying the scholarship and comparative religions for over 15 years) *"Top Ten Reasons Noah’s Flood is Mythology - The Sensuous Curmudgeon"* *"Forget about Noah's Ark; There Was No Worldwide Flood | Bible Interp"* *"The Search for Noah’s Flood - Biblical Archaeology Society"* *"Eridu Genesis - World History Encyclopedia"* *"The Atrahasis Epic: The Great Flood & the Meaning of Suffering - World History Encyclopedia"* Watch *"How Aron Ra Debunks Noah's Flood"* (8 part series debunking Noah's flood using multiple branches of science) *"The Adam and Eve myth - News24"* *"Before Adam and Eve - Psychology Today"* *"Gilgamesh vs. Noah - Wordpress"* *"Old Testament Tales Were Stolen From Other Cultures - Griffin"* *"Parallelism between “The Hymn to Aten” and Psalm 104 - Project Augustine"* *"Studying the Bible"* - by Dr Steven DiMattei (This particular article from a critical Biblical scholar highlights how the authors of the Hebrew Bible used their *fictional* god as a mouthpiece for their own views and ideologies) *"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history?"* -- by Dr Steven DiMattei *"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them"* -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei
I take it that this comment wa written by a fan of Dr Matteo a biblical scholar? However not one of these texts proves that the ancient Sumerians were the originators of the flood story mythology or many of their other myths. If this doctor examined the astronomy of both cultures he would realise that the Hebrew Bible probably dates back further than the site of Gobekli Tepe circa 12,000 BCE
@@φαρμακεία-πρωταρχικός i can do better than that, i can supply you my book on the subject early next year when it is published. Thanks for your interest.
@@robsellars9338 Or you could just give me the main source you’re referencing to make that claim, not everyone wants to purchase an entire book just to find a specific claim when you literally could just copy and paste it in the comments.🤨
@@robsellars9338 I find it quite disingenuous, even deceptive to make a claim after the original comment cited all of their sources for each of the claims included; but instead of just engaging and actually citing your source for a very specific claim, you instead insist on purchasing a book that I have no reason to believe will ever be published.
you are at the top of the gnostic rabbit hole. there were many gnostic cults, not all as attractive as the ones you may have already heard of so far. just brace yourself. it is going to be a bumpy ride.
I love the point Elaine made about religious beliefs leading us to believe we are "above" and "outside" nature. It certainly has lead to us trying to subjugate and command everything in nature, which has actually only lead us to harm and destroy earth as a result. Very terrible thinking.
Which was the lesson that was intended to be taught, that man cannot rule, and no man can own the land, it only leads to desolation, hence the god of destruction, is the god of Man Ergo, I am the Son of Man, Jesus is a false creation designed to curse the Romans, but also men who are pigs regardless of their heritage Jesus is the Celtic God of Death and associated himself with the serpent in the Garden, Adam, who lied about the women eating the fruit. And the last character in the Bible is death, who is Jesus, who reverses the narrative, making the sun rise in the west, which is the Moon. Which means the whole thing was written in reverse, in order to pass that secret over the heads of everyone who reads these things as literal Solomon, Sun and Moon, messenger Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, Venus, Uranus U, You, Ur, Your He him his And i ...the one eyed King It's about the idea that i doesn't exist, there is only _we_ ours, uses The collective over the arrogance of Male Rulers It's a stitch in time
*“You should obey God” is assumed in G2-3* Genesis 2-3 proceeds as though the readers already believe that Yahweh Elohim should be obeyed without question. Being punished for doing wrong before you could know the difference between right and wrong makes no sense… except to readers who assume that their culture is somehow in ate to reality.
The word for naked and the word for wisdom in Hebrew have the same three root letters Aleph, Resh, and Mem. This is a clue to the true meaning, which despite Elaine Pagels disclaimer, actually does exist. There are thousands of misinterpretations which lead nowhere.
Thanks again for exposing me to Dr. Pagels! I like comparing the different beliefs too, it’s nice to watch something that does just that in a civil, scholarly manner. I suppose it’s no surprise there are a couple nasty comments already. Merry Christmas! 🎅🏻🎄🧑🏻🎄
I love Dr Pagels’ work and her knowledge and ease of communication. People think a Christian scholar is working either for or against Christianity…. But sometimes one can be both, or neither !
Ive been binging mythvision for a couple weeks. Fascinating and satisfying. More satisfying than the 10 yrs I spent reading the bible wall-to-wall FOUR TIMES.
@@lnqxr You might want to try stepping outside the Mythvision echo chamber sometime. Tom Wright has a good video on Gnosticism that destroys the likes of Pagels and Ehrman. They are pulp historians and theologians who are regularly pummelled by the likes of Wright, Craig Evans, Ben Witherington, William Lane Craig and others. The Myth origins promoters of Christianity are not always wrong of course much like a broken clock.
I love that the beginning of Genesis is where my eternal fire and torment was born. I needed that guilt and shame for the cornerstone of my life foundations that I will need forever. I have often wondered if gods wrath wasn’t so much because of Adam and Eve, but reflected how pissed and embarrassed he was that his professional career was in shambles almost immediately. He finally decided what artistic direction to take his creation…after 600 trillion years of nothing. He finally starts to take off the training wheels and communicates a line of code. 1 rule to start off for his creation and 💣
Adam and Eve is the story of human self-domestication. The original story comes from Mesopotamia as the Enki and Ninhursag story. It was Eve (woman) that domesticated Adam (man), and that is what the forbidden fruit represents. This is the transition of our mating style from polygamous to monogamous, and that is the reason why god refers to Adam and Eva as husband and wife…
At Baylor University - a S. Baptist university - I was taught that there was a period in Biblical history where the Priestly Writers organized how Biblical structure was presented following what had been the oral transmission of Biblical knowledge. Ergo, you have Genesis which explains Creation but also in going down a litany of who begat whom also establishes Israel’s ultimate right to the Holy Land through the Abrahamic dynasty.
What most people do not know about The Garden Of Eden is not only do Ompa-Loompas grow sum FUNKY-FUNKY-LOCO-WEED there but they also wiggle and jiggle and dance The Watusi, The Macarena, numerous Jigs and also fry corn dogs and funnel cakes for when they get The Munchies.
Your logo says EVERYTHING! Ephesians 6:12 12 - For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, and against the worldly governors, the princes of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness, which are in the high places. DO NOT be deceived by these false teachings! Want to know TRUTH, be able to see and hear? Talk to Our Father in heaven and ask!
@@travis1240 Leviathan spirit, Wadi Abu Hashem serpent worshipers!!!! Isaiah 44 :27 job 41:31 Waters of the deep be dried up and Destroy every Spirit of the Leviathan😅 it was Satan he tried to make Man In His Image according to your Bible story
@@travis1240there is no truth in religion pick which one you want to believe besides the Bible says that Satan rules all religions and commerce!!! Revelations 12:1 -13
God didn't lie. Neither did the serpent. They died on the 6th Day of creation. It is still the 6th Day of creation. 16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” John 5
@@broski365 I don't agree with everything he says but how exactly does he con people? Did he con you? By getting people to buy his books? Something everyone does these days?
But they did die, so the serpent lied. "Adam’s death in the Garden was like that of a rose cut from its bush. The rose is dead once it is cut from the bush, but it does not wither immediately. Nevertheless, the fact that it will wither is certain from the moment it is cut from the bush. In the same way, Adam cut himself off from his source of life, God, through his sin. The breach in relationship with the life giver (i.e. ‘spiritual death’) was immediate, and the physical effects of that breach (i.e. decay and physical death) were inevitable from the moment of the breach, though the physical effects took time to manifest. To say that Adam’s death was only spiritual is contradicted by 1 Corinthians 15:21-22, which compares and contrasts the death that Adam brought into the world with the death from which Christ was resurrected. "“The solution lies in the Hebrew, which uses forms of the same verb ‘to die’ (mût (מות)), together: môt’tāmût (מות תמות). It literally means ‘dying you shall die’, but the sense is the certainty, hence the translation ‘you shall surely die.’ Kulikovsky explains: “‘When the infinitive absolute precedes a finite verb of the same stem (as is the case here), it strengthens or intensifies the verbal idea by emphasizing “either the certainty (especially in the case of threats) or the forcibleness and completeness of an occurrence.”In other words, the emphasis is on the certainty of their death rather than its precise timing or chronology. This is demonstrated in 1 Kings 2:37-46: Shimei could not possibly have been executed ‘on the day’ he exited his house since he was not killed until after he had travelled from Jerusalem to Gath, located his missing slaves, and travelled back to Jerusalem.’ Kulikovsky suggests an alternative understanding as well, that this phrase could be taken in the ingressive sense-that is, a verbal form that designates the beginning of an action, state or event. In other words, the focus is on the beginning of the action of dying-i.e. God’s warning really means, ‘… for when you eat of it you will surely begin to die.’”
If one was to interpret the story according to its own internal logic, dying is not following God’s word and listening to a “beast of the field” something Adam was given dominion over but chose to follow instead of God, in other words he subverted the creators established chain of authority.
Yet what is “good?” Adam and Eve were set up to fail though. Totally ignorant beings and god drops in a tree as bait, says don’t eat from it, then adds in a talking serpent who convinces the woman to try the fruit. Just ol god playing games it seems.
That is why the record we make with that ray of light is bordering the sphere and chaining what we have learned; hence the before and after, Time, the up and down, the succession
"Being" able to determine "Good and Evil" COMES FROM "Being Alive"(Here and Now). Dying to Live is what makes Life "Precious". Is "THIS" GOOD? or EVIL? "YOU" DECIDE!!! And then tell your Parents your decision... AND Your Children! And THAT(their) "serpent"/"thing"(thang) is "phallic" too! )
But Adam and Eve DID die. They were eternal beings in the garden until they believed the lie of 'the serpent' and ate the fruit they weren't supposed to. They eventually died. It wasn't a poison fruit. I've never heard of people taking the Garden of Eden that literally. How can anyone, especially a 'professor' be that naive?
Bobonet is the mind, as they say, the crazy one in the house that was what gave us the serpent of paradise, the tree of "knowledge." In Paradise we did not need to think why we had no questions, we lived in a contemplative state, similar to when we travel for recreation, like when we sit in a beautiful park in a new town for us, we do not think, we just contemplate; hence the joy of traveling, discovering new worlds.
@@dorinamary7863Baphomet perhaps? There is a room in the wax museum in San Antonio I visited this summer…and I got to really see what beliefs can do to people. I looked at it and it literally looked like a smiling goat sitting on a throne but there was this little girl that was crying uncontrollably and her mom was rushing her out of there only to go into the next room with a scene of Jesus covered in blood being taken off a cross..I actually thought that was more horrible than that goat….and my daughter was like whatever to all of it because I tell her it’s all mind tricks.
Before Adam and Eve decided to “go their own way” they were in complete union/communion with God body soul spirit. They were eternal beings. We are created in the image of God which means we are spirit beings that have a soul and that live in a body. God did not lie. They did die in the spirit and were separated from the eternal life giving source that is God. Their body dying is the direct result of their spiritual condition. This is why Jesus said you must be born of the spirit. Most people in the world are still living and eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil and not the tree of life!
The Apologist will ALWAYS tell you that "Man Brought Sin" into the world with the sin of Eve. Yet "The Serpent" seduced Eve to sin, so Sin ALREADY existed.
MIND IS KNOWLEDGE AND LAWS.. SOUL IS BEYOND THIS.. THE MIND SINNED, NOT THE SOUL.. SOUL MUST NOT BE IDENTIFIED WITH MIND, BODY AND SENSORY PERCEPTIONS.. SOUL IS BEYOND THIS... DESTINY IS TO BREAK AWAY FROM CYCLE OF BIRTHS AND REPEATED DEATHS
My mother (a Christian) always replied " to god a day is a thousand years" and they died within that time frame. However the rest of the story makes no sense at all if taken literally. It is clearly myth. Even the part about the snake being punished by having to crawl on its belly. How did it get around before? Jumping like a kangaroo!
If you read the original language or understood, it was The Shining One(Nachash, Adjective) and yes it did have four legs. Nachash could have been one of the Fallen Angels(The Watchers). The fruit wasn’t even an apple. Don’t listen to the fake whatever they are called and do your own research. 2 Corinthians 11:14
The Bible uses a lot of metaphors. Either way if Satan was just controlling the snake, or if he imaged hisself as a snake, God was punishing Satan. When the scripture says God made the snake crawl on its belly for eternity, we can ascertain that God meant he was punishing Satan by having him be subjugated and humiliated.. Think about it this way.. if you have two or more legs to walk freely and hastily, you wouldn’t want to not use them and crawl on your own stomach for all eternity.
Pythagoras means Heart of the Serpent, he was born in Sidon, a fishing Port in Phoenicia. His mother recieved a message from the Oracle of Delphi that he would become a great Leader and Teacher. Sidon means Kingdom of the Fish, and the Essenes, who wrote the Dead Sea scrolls, worshipped Pythagoras. The Sarcophagus of Eschmun III found in Sidon names him as the Widow's Scion, aka Hiram Abiff, the Founder of Freemasonry, of which Tyre was the premier Capital (at least equal to Thebes). In 911BC Rameses II married the Queen of Sidon, home of Jezebel (Daughter or consort of Baal, basically "Queen") founding Neo Assyrian Babylon, an alliance between Egypt and Hiram, father of Jezebel and King of Assyria, and Egypt, forming the Phoenician colonies and building the first Temple of Melqart to commemorate the alliance. The Si in Sidon is the basis of the Latin Exe, or X, and is the basis of the Cross, or Chi Rho that Constantine painted on his shields. Also known as the Cross of Tyre, or Cross of Baal, being Ra-El, or Ba'El. Oddly enough irrational numbers can also be mapped using Euler's number, producing a Templar Cross in the process. This cross can also be seen around the neck of Nimrod in Assyria, and is consistent with the Union Jack, and Solstice Calendar found in the Vatican Shiva Lingam. Shiva is the Hebrew word for 7, their culture also found its way to Japan (via the Phillipines) ultimately becoming Shintoism. It was the Phoenicians who gave their name to the Pole Star, which they used to Navigate the Oceans using the Zodiac, thats what the Antikythera mechanism was for, and with it they wrote the Byblos Baal, what we now call the Bible. The first form of the Bible was written in 325BC and called the Vaticanus Greacus, or Son of the Sacred Serpent, a reference to Sirius, the basis of the Sothic Calendar, which uses a Hexidecimal or base 60 system found in all the Megalithic sites around the world. In the second century AD astronomer Valentinus Vettori transcribed it into a Lunar chart of 13 houses, what we now call the Zodiac. Horoscope means Star Watcher, and the Phoenician word for Saturn, or El, was Israel or El, (Fruit) of Isis and Ra. El is the primary God of the Phoenicians, representing the offspring of Egypt, and his consort Astarte represents the Assyrian half of the alliance. It may be possible to trace lineages and alliances through the naming of gods, which can be traced all the way to Ireland and the Vikings, and to Indonesia and the Americas, even as far away as New Zealand and Australia. It denotes Sirius as Son of Orion and Pleaides, which sits at 33 degrees of the Zodiac. The basis of the Sothic (dir Seth) Calendar of the Egyptians. The New Moon in this position marks Rosh Hashanah, the Egyptian, Celtic, Phoenician, and Assyrian New Year, the first New Moon of September, which is called September because it's the 7th House of the Zodiac, when the Sun is in Ophiuchus. The Phoenix, Benben, or Bennu is the Egyptian word for Heron, a Feathered 'Serpent'. It baptised itself in frankincense and myrrh at BaalBek, and then alights atop the Pyramid, upon the Holy Grail, or Alter of Ra every 630 years to take three days off the calendar during the course of the first New Moon of Nisan, which means "Prince". The Capstone of Pyramids is even called the Benben or Bennu. The Phoenix is found in all religions, which are all Astrological Allegory for the Moon travelling through the Constellations, as a soul migrating from body to body, this is the basis of Joseph Campbell's Monomyth, or the Hero's Journey. The various planets no doubt play their own roles as portents, omens, and aspects, this astrology is the science of the Bronze age, and lasted all the way up to the 20th Century. Resurrection was an early teaching of the Christian Church, and likely relates to the lineage of Kings (The King is Dead, long live the King.) Phoenicians represent the interim step between Egypt and Greece, their artisans and culture exceeding that of the Greeks, who literally adopted the Phoenician Alphabet, which we still use to this day, sounding out words phonetically. Phoenician is aliiterated in Venetian, and Vikings, being Kings of the Sea. The Bennu is the Egyptian Phoenix, to Phoenicians the Hoyle, no different to the traditions of the Etruscans, who saw birds as sacred, just as the Celts. Hebrew and Iber as in Iberia have the same root meaning over, as in overseas, as in those who travel "over the sea." A colony called Iberia also appears on the Eastern shores of the Black Sea, where the same Dolmens and Megalithic culture originating in Ireland and Brittany appeared circa 4500BC. _Phoenician_ means Scions of the Phoenix, the first Bible: Vaticanus Greacus Son of the Sacred Serpent (Prince). Then there's the Essenes, Sons of Light, the Tuatha De Danaan, Sons of Light, Annunaki, Sons of Light, Arthur Pendragon means Arthur Son of the dragon, Chertoff is Russian for "Son of the Devil" and Dracula also means Son of the Dragon, Masons have been known at times to call themselves the "Brotherhood of the Great White Serpent". The Ziggurat of Anu also denotes her as a great white Serpent, while New Grange and the Bru na Boinne in Ireland (4000BC) coated buildings with white quartz to denote the Moon. The Moon itself travels outside the Solar Elliptic by 5 degrees, which means it passes through specific constellations in a serpentine fashion that is always changing, but repeats every 19 years, the time it took to train a Druid or Magi, Magi meaning "Teacher" the Phoenix is also associated with this sacred number 19. The name "Pharoah" means "Great House" or "House of Light" and Cairo used to be called Babel. Pharaoh's themselves wore a hooded crown representing feathers, just as Native American Chiefs, ie the Feathered Serpent, they were also called the Commander in Chief. Aztecs also had Serpent Kings, (Canaan means Serpent Kings, and Sidon was a Son of Canaan, and Great Grandson of Noah) who were called to lead with cunning and guile, being the very virtue by which they claim the title in the first place; but to be seen in public as just and diplomatic. "As wise as Serpents, but gentle as Doves" the old Egyptian flag of an Eagle attacking a Snake is also reflected in the Modern Mexican flag, denoting the Constellations of Serpentis (13th sign of the Zodiac) and Aquila. The dimensions and 12 mathematical constants of the Great Pyramid are also expressed in New Grange, and Stonehenge, as well as in Watson Brake, (2500BC) and Teotihuacan, which correlates to the Phoenician/ Sumerian Hexidecimal system, which is what our modern systems of time are based on. Officially no one knows who invented astrology, the zodiac, navigation by the stars, and time keeping. But whoever built the pyramids, and pioneered the 24hr clock in Egypt 5000 years ago also knew the exact dimensions of the Earth, as well as the speed of light. These calculations can all be made using these Megalithic sites as surveyors use a theodolite. Specifically Teotihuacan, which sits 180 degrees opposite Cairo, and has the exact same footprint. The ideal positions to determine the speed of light using the transit of Venus, by which one can accurately determine Longitude for navigation. Capt cook did the same thing in 1774 when he 'discovered' Easter Island. The only culture that fits the bill was wiped out "not one stone upon the other" by the Romans in 146BC. Tyre, the capital of Phoenicia (israel) sat just offshore from Ur Shalom, City of the New Moon, or City of Peace. The root of the name Jerusalem, and was also seized by Rome in 70AD after a 13 year seige. The gap between is 216 years. Greek Dionysians built the Temple of Solomon (now called the Temple of Melqart) representing the Solar Lunar Metonic Calendar on which this system is based, they also carried mirrors, a practice associated with both the Magi and the Druids as well as Greek and Egyptian scholars, these Mirrors are Astrological charts called "Cycladian Frying Pans" and record the cycles of the planets. The first Temple of Melqart (the Phoenician form of Horus, or Hercules, or Pan, or Thor) representing the 13th Constellation of Ophiuchus or the Serpent Bearer (hence Orphic Serpent worship) had pillars of Emerald and Gold, representing Isis and Osiris. The Jerusalem Temple only took payment in "Shekels of Tyre" a currency minted during the Jewish rebellion against Rome. "Give that which is Ceasar's unto Ceasar" When Alexander sacked Tyre in 332BC they moved to Carthage meaning "New City" or New Jerusalem, where they built a second temple with Pillars of Bronze. Nebuchadnezzar also seiged Tyre for 13 years, taking the City captive in 573BC: the same time as the biblical account of the Jews. And again in 70AD after a three and a half year seige, also consistent with biblical accounts.
@@DarenHoekstrait's all the same person battling with different viewpoints Adaemone, the first Adam, a Day Moon, the Sun. Esus is the Celtic God of Death, and like Arkenaten he identified with the Sun. What no one bothers to look at is the Moon, which can walk on water, and has 13 houses, the 13th being Ophiuchus, the Manger Jesus was born in. But it's written in reverse, like a mirror, which is how Egyptians made astronomical records, writing right to left. The Bible documents the change to the age of Aquarius but backwards, so that an observer can see that time that transition was made. Which was Dec 21 2023. The Garden of Eden is New Zealand, specifically the North Island, Skull island, Paradise, Hyperborea, Atlantis, that mysterious location in all the movies where the compass goes crazy. In Hell, the Underworld, until it becomes Heaven, the Northern Star ⭐
The garden of Eden occurred during the last Golden age of Satya yuga metaphorically speaking=the age of spiritual truths,as expoused in spiritual savant Sri Yukeswars book: The Holy Science. The serpent represents the Kundalini energy.The tree of life is the nadis-nerve channels that carry the sacred shakti throughout the body.The death spoken of is the death of a serparation/individuation from GOD. In the Satya yuga the Garden of Eden was inside a person which, when they entered Sahaja samadhi,produced great inner joy & happiness=an inner paradise.
You have correctly linked Judaism roots with the same roots as Hinduism. Everything else after this fluke is pure conjecture. There is no evidence that I am aware of that can link spiritual teachings as the source of either civilizations mythology
For me, the story is about the evolution of human intelligence and the suffering that comes with it. Animals don’t worry about being naked in front of other animals, but human intelligence and socialization makes us care about how we appear to others. Ignorance is bliss, but we also learned better ways to survive through communication and tools. The serpent is neither good nor evil, but represents evolution from earlier version of humans that were less intelligent (as God created them) to our current form.
I think it’s about being blissfully ignorant, returning to our roles as created contingently dependent beings and leaving wisdom and judgement to God, as it’s literally impossible for us as humans to know anywhere nearly enough of anything to really judge anything.
Until the body is filled with Light, those words are sophomoric. Once the Eye can see, the Word takes on an entirely different meaning. It will contradict much of what has been discussed amongst "believers" A believer will never Know - that is why they are called believers
@@PerpetualPreponderer there's Ganesh, there's Odin, there's Allah, there's Yahweh, there's Osiris, there's the Dao, there's Brahma... There are over 15000 different gods. So which one of them are you referring to?
Another interpretation. Is that they were meant to live forever. When they are the fruit, their days were numbered. If they didn’t eat the fruit, they would still be living today.
Adam simply means human. The Adam and Eve story is just allegory on humanity as a whole. If one thinks that Adam and Eve were the first human beings. Please go seek help.
Nowhere in the bible it is me ntioned the snake is Satan, and taking the original story into account the snakes name is Tiamat a benevolent snake and we still see it in medics today. Part of the Epic of Gilgamesh.
Rev 12:9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
1. Ezekiel never claimed that it was a serpent in the garden in chapter 28. Pretty sure the king of Tyre didn’t exist either. 2. He was a rebel who didn’t like humans, Adam and Eve buried their son because of him. 3. Even in Job 1, the satan was at the Throne. What’s up with that? I thought he was kicked out of God’s presence. More importantly, why do Jesus’ temptations reflect Genesis 3,6, & 11?
You are arguing for the demiurge luciferian interpretation. The story is about incarnation in a physically Concious being. YHWH does not say “you will die on that day.” He says “if you partake of that tree, surely you will know death.” He does not mention fruit whatsoever. It is in reference to the branching of space and time. The serpent says “if you partake of the FRUIT, surely you won’t die.” The word for fruit used by the serpent is “MiPeri,” and it also means the womb. He tells them their eyes will open; all that are born and leave the womb then opens it eye. All that embodies from the the womb is conscious and physically manifest, and will surely die by natural law. That is: All that is physically manifest in this realm with conciousness also dies.
There nakedness and being shamefully has to do with them being ashamed of there forgetfulness as there is the creator and then there is the god of the old testament who splits them into Adam and Eve so they don't know there divinity
No the serpent in Genesis is not necessarily the good guy even if you think he told the truth. Imagine for example a teenage boy being told by his father, "Don't go to my closet to get the Playboy magazines because if you do, you will go blind!". I then tell him, "Did your father say you would go blind? Well actually, not only won't you go blind, but you will get to see beautiful naked women." He then goes to his father's closet and looks at the Playboy magazines. When his father finds out, he kicks him out of the house (keeping the story analogous to the Genesis story). Now, would you consider me a hero for telling him that? After all, I told him the truth, right?
The father in your analogy is also the bad guy. The solution to disobeying is not shunning. Lying is not the path to garnering respect or obedience. In both cases, the one telling the truth may not be the “hero,” but they are certainly in a better moral position than either father.
@@InigoMontoya- If you know that the father is highly abusive, it might actually be a good idea to lie to the kid and tell him to not get into the Playboy magazines because what his father said is true. It's a little bit like telling the nazis that you are not hiding Anne Frank in your basement. Believing that you will go blind if you read Playboy is a lesser "evil" than being kicked out of the house.
What I lacked, to understand how we were left after with original sin we lost that innocence, that contemplative state, what a cube was. If we split the cube in 2, in its half, which was how Satan (the snake) left us, we only see one half of the Cube, the pyramid in which we see everything, that is why we are incapable of seeing our neighbor as our equal, always, located In a pyramidal evaluation, we judge, we compare the other with us, and we judge whether he is higher or lower than us in the pyramid, if he is more or less beautiful, if he is more or less than us, if he is richer or less rich, If it is poorer or less poor, if it is more intelligent or less intelligent, if it is more clever or less clever, even if it is more holy or less holy, that is what is called the Law of Sin, we are incapable of stopping doing those trials😊
There's something called the Law of Sin and Death. Is that what you mean? "The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the Law of Sin and Death." Romans 8:2
The most strangest thing about the end times saga and the Garden of Eden story is the return of Lilith. "I" see the Old Serpent has returned too the Garden of Eden, that is true. "I" see Lilith is back in the Garden of Eden as well, that is the truth and very provable, but "I" don`t see Adam or Eve anywhere in the story lines, that is very strange. Good advice, watch out what you do or say around Lilith, Lucifer and the Black Madonna, they`re the current Deities of are times.
I always consider the Garden of Eden story to be the collective reminiscence that people had of the era in human history when mankind were hunter gatherers with the emphasis on the gathering side rather than the hunting. Humans then were primarily vegetarians -just gathering the fruit from the trees or collecting it from the ground. Agriculture had yet to be invented.Animals hadn't been domesticated. Of course it was a very rosy view of the world -there must have been so many lethal predators around. The fall came when people got the bright ideas of tilling the land, building ships to sail on the water, inventing all kinds of stuff -thereby man became a slave to his own inventions.He also became ashamed of his nakedness and put on clothes - he lost his innocence. The parallel story is of course the classical myth of the Golden Age as told by Greek poets and Virgil.
In the animal kingdom, when the eyes are in front these animals hunt, when the eyes are on each side, they are non-hunting herbivores. Humans have eyes in the front. Since they didn't floss and brush their teeth back then, some of the foods they ate are still stuck between their teeth and these remains can be identified. Mass spectrometry applied to teeth enable scientists to identify specific amino acids found on teeth, some come from plants, others from fish and meat.
Man is an omnivore alongside pigs, bears and others that I can't think of at the moment. Gorillas are herbivores and they have eyes in the same position as we have -how does that work out?@@HepCatJack
Being naked in the Garden doesn't mean that they were not wearing clothes. Being naked means they felt vulnerable because of their authenticity. Putting their clothes back on is like wearing a mask, hiding their authenticity, so that they could fit in more easily. Eating the fruit means allowing your judgment to get under your skin. Judgment is the fruit produced by the knowledge of Good and Evil, the trees namesake. Forgiveness, apology, or humility is spitting the fruit up. Grace is leaving it on the tree, reserving judgment or at least are attachment to it. The church and even the Bible would have you believe that the original sin had to do with obedience but it actually had nothing to do with obedience. It had everything to do with emotional intelligence.
Born from an epiphany I had years ago. Adam and Eve were created but having no knowledge of good and evil knew neither joy nor sorrow. Only the perpetual bliss that accompanies perpetual innocence. They were like children who knew no day from any other. It was a world full of beauty but immeasurable for there was nothing ugly to compare it to. A world without contrast. Utopian in nature but incomplete. Every day they would ask The Lord. "Are you our father?" And every day the Lord would answer. "In form but not in spirit." Innocent as they were they left it at that and went upon their daily routine of exploring the garden and giving name to form. One day they came upon a tree guarded by an angel who forbid them from eating from it. "Why can't we eat of this tree? they asked. The Angel, responded," that is not for me to say, you must ask The Father." So they did just that. The Father told them, "That is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If you eat of it you will gain that knowledge but at a price." " What price? "They asked. "You can no longer eat from the Tree of life until your soul matures." "Then will we be like you in form and spirit Father?" " No. Then you must overcome The Adversary. Experience all manner of pain and sorrow. War with the flesh for untold centuries. Then you will be able to return and see the garden through my eyes." "When we return from where, Father?, "From beyond the gates. "Why must we leave Father?" "Because, Only souls cannot grow in paradise. Only souls cannot grow in the garden of Eden. The soul only grows through adversity. And there is no adversity in paradise." "Will you be with us father? Will you help us?" " I could no longer be able to make decisions for you but you have only to ask and I will be there for I am everywhere." " Then that is what we will do Father. We choose to eat of the Tree of knowledge of good and evil and we choose to leave the garden. Then one day we will be like you Father in form and spirit."
I think of the "death" as a death of ignorance. They got to a point where they knew that their actions could elicit suffering or joy (good and evil). And they were ashamed of their capacity for creating suffering, so ashamed they felt naked. The snake sheds its skin and is sort of reborn, which is what they can do over and over again.
If we are to accept Christianity’s belief that YHWH created everything, then he created humanity with the intelligence to observe, scientifically test and analyze our environment. But the first command he issued to Adam and Eve was Genesis 2:17 "But of the tree of knowledge... thou shalt not eat". YHWH's Plan "A" (creation) (Genesis 1:1-31) failed when he decided to expel Adam and Eve from the garden (Genesis 3:22-24). By the time we get around to reading Revelation, Plan "E" becomes an imaginary afterlife paradise. The moment an alternate plan must be put into action, all-knowing and infallible characteristics are no longer a reasonable supposition for any god. How were two mere humans after eating a fruit supposed to have been infused with a miraculous substance which empowered them with their creator’s knowledge, able to coerce this all-knowing, all-powerful, infallible, invisible and eternal creator of everything God into believing they were just like him (or "us", if we are to recite the story correctly), and then into expelling them from paradise in fear they might eat another piece of fruit superimposed with another miraculous, eternal life imparting substance? An all-knowing and infallible creator of the universe would have, (should) have been intelligent enough to omit the planting of such consequential fruit trees during the construction of paradise ("Plan A").
For example, mathematically, if we project that flashlight from the edge of the sphere to the center we ingest the Number 1, which philosophically is an ontological, not a logical, concept, and from 1 in a reflective thought, through its reflection, science unfolds. of unity in a movement of reason called logic
How arrogant can we be does nobody remember the story of Pandora’s box ignorance is bliss yes we can have hope but we have to unleash all the evils of the world to know it it just wasn’t worth it we could’ve had eternity in Eden no pain no strife no suffering the serpent was not right the serpent gave you a little truth and let you wallow in agony just cause he’d rather suffer with some company we weren’t supposed to know good or evil because we’d have to know evil we weren’t supposed to know life or death because we’d have to know death now we know mortality and we know it SUCKS he was trying to spare us
You know even Lilith is something even most Atheist dont know about in the garden. I am thinking she ate from the tree of knowledge and seen god was lying on her own or Lucifer woke her up like he did for Adam and Eve. I try and talk about Lilith a lot and ask if some of the story was true why is the left behind stuff not true in your mind?
Unless I missed it , the most eye opening fact of the creation story is understanding just WHO lied? What did God say to Adam if he ate the fruit? Now when Adam was confronted by Satan to eat and Adam tried to reject by repeating Gods warning what did Satan say? Satan told Adam yada yada yada that Gods warning was bogus and reading the rest of Genesis you see what Satan said actually held true. Adam did not die that day , and man went on to become like Gods leading up to the flood story.
The Hebrew word for day is Yohm which means a period of time. In this case it was a thousand years. Adam died within a thousand years at about 930 years. They also died spiritually losing gods favour. The servant was used by Satan like a ventriloquist might use a dummy. It is a true event. 1 Timothy 2:14 says Also, Adam was not deceived, but the woman was thoroughly deceived and became a transgressor
The two letters to Timothy have been accepted from the earliest times as written by Paul and as part of the inspired scriptures The early christian writers including Polycarp Ignatias and Clement of Rome all agree on this and the letters are included in the catalogs of the first few centuries as Paul writing. One authority writes There are few New Testament writings which have stronger attestation.... objections to authenticity must therefore be regarded as modern innovations contrary to the strong evidence from the early church. The bible is silent on Eves time of death
@petertimings8464 So Eve didn't die within a thousand years after eating the forbidden fruit. Otherwise, the scripture writers would have known about it because "supposedly" these unknown writers were divinely inspired. Why they missed out on Eve's death baffles the mind. Maybe she's still alive today. Nearly all bible scholars have dismissed Timothy as having been written by Paul. And this claim that Polycarp and Clement both agreeing to the letters being written by Paul, is just pure apologetic speculation. There is no available evidence supporting this claim. The so-called "authenticity" claims are just largely attributions at best.
We were originally in spirit forms from NON DUALITY REALMS.. we came down to have all Types of EXPERIENCES, LIGHT AND DARKNESS.. THAT IS THE REASON WHY THE FLESH OR FAKE BODIES WERE GIVEN TO US...to hav all types of experiences
Satan was not a serpent; he was a heavenly being who had a mind of his own. He just did not conform with the status quo so the supreme powers fell out with him. The Gods wanted to keep the humans in ignorance and obeyance but Lucifer the bringer of knowledge opened their eyes.
Ok if you love satan why don’t you ask him does he love you? Ask him to be your father cause it seems like you and him have something in common you both are losers
But when, as I say, when the lights of the 4 points of the Cube turn on, with the Light of Christ, the positions in the pyramid are lost and in the cube we will all be equal and what Christ says at the beginning of the Book is fulfilled. from Revelation: you think you are clothed, and "I tell you that you are naked"
You have to read the nag Hamadi txts the reason sin was born into the world of humans was because the god of the Old testament rapes eve and is the true father of Caine it's why jealousy hate etc Adam and Eve coming back together is the line of Seth
I am sure Dr Elaine Pagel knows of the hybrid child Adapa transported in a skyship to Nibiru to meet with Anu. Enki (his father) didn't want Adapa to partake of the food or beverage there as then Adapa would 'live forever' as a god, Enki knew somehow it wasn't right and was deceiving them about the parentage of Adapa. The young man could speak the language and was advanced in learning, unlike the other test-tube kids ... but Adapa and his mate Titi were conceived children by the two girls (red-haired; recessive genes in the race that spawned the 'chosen') down by the river. That is from where the story originated, from the 'don't eat or you will die'. All of the descendants from Mesopotamia henceforth had hybrid blood, the Israelites were from 'Black-haired Enki. Another problem regards 'The Son of Man' is that He is ignored and disrespected. Melchizedek was born of a virgin also and as well as Christ. 2Enoch He was gathered to Paradise before the Deluge. It is to His DNA (same as Christ) that Abraham bowed. He is Immortal, forever, has never died. By bowing down then the seeds of Moses and Aaron also bowed because they were still in the groin of Abraham. Then along came El Elyon and one of his sons Yahweh. Cain and Abel, Isaac and his rejection of Ishmael . Jacob and his deception with Esau, the problems of a god (false) that caused constant death in a family that consistently disobeyed (because they were born into the original 'Sin' of Eve!!???!!! The objective of the prophesy of Christ is to reconcile all the fallen (even the enemy principalities) back to the Holy and loving Creator. But we need to get past the Lies and the father of Lies.
I don't see Genesis creation myth as a polemic against Babylonian, Assyrian or Caananite mythology, as if the jewish god is somehow apart from nature and the other gods are forces of nature - this is just christian apologetics. Baal, Enlil, Zeus, El, they are all personified beings associated with natural phenomena - thunder and storm - just like Yahweh. They are not thunder itself
I cherish the dedication and intrepid spirit of Dr. Elaine Pagels and the passion she puts into her work. Thank you Derek for giving her the time and platform to bring her insights forward.
Dr. Pagel blows me away every time I hear her work. Thank you for having her on. Can’t wait to hear more on this subject.
Dr. Pagels is a brilliant woman! I love her work!
Dr. Pagels!
*The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis.* Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. ***These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.***
*Famous stories such as the Fall of Man and the Great Flood were originally conceived and written down in Sumer,* translated and modified later in Babylon, and reworked by the Assyrians ***before they were used by the Hebrew scribes for the versions which appear in the Bible.***
***In revising the Mesopotamian creation story for their own ends, the Hebrew scribes tightened the narrative and the focus but retained the concept of the all-powerful deity who brings order from chaos.*** Marduk, in the Enuma Elish, establishes the recognizable order of the world - *just as God does in the Genesis tale* - and human beings are expected to recognize this great gift and honor the deity through service.
*"Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text - World History Encyclopedia"*
*"Sumerian Is the World's Oldest Written Language | ProLingo"*
*"Sumerian Civilization: Inventing the Future - World History Encyclopedia"*
*"The Myth of Adapa - World History Encyclopedia"*
Also discussed by Professor Christine Hayes at Yale University in her 1st lecture of the series on the Hebrew Bible from 8:50 to 14:30 minutes, lecture 3 from 28:30 to 41:35 minutes, lecture 4 from 0:00 up to 21:30 minutes and 24:00 up to 35:30 minutes and lecture 7 from 24:20 to 25:10 minutes.
From a Biblical scholar:
"Many stories in the ancient world have their origins in other stories and were borrowed and modified from other or earlier peoples. *For instance, many of the stories now preserved in the Bible are* ***modified*** *versions of stories that existed in the cultures and traditions of Israel’s* ***older*** *contemporaries.* Stories about the creation of the universe, a cataclysmic universal flood, digging wells as land markers, the naming of important cultic sites, gods giving laws to their people, and even stories about gods decreeing the possession of land to their people were all part of the cultural and literary matrix of the ancient Near East. *Biblical scribes freely* ***adopted and modified*** *these stories as a means to express their own identity, origins, and customs."*
*"Stories from the Bible"* by Dr Steven DiMattei, from his website *"Biblical Contradictions"*
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In addition, look up the below articles.
*"Yahweh was just an ancient Canaanite god. We have been deceived! - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"*
*"Debunking the Devil - Michael A. Sherlock (Author)"*
*"The Greatest Trick Religion Ever Pulled: Convincing Us That Satan Exists | Atheomedy"*
*"Zoroastrianism And Persian Mythology: The Foundation Of Belief"*
(Scroll to the last section: Zoroastrianism is the Foundation of Western Belief)
*"10 Ways The Bible Was Influenced By Other Religions - Listverse"*
*"January | 2014 | Atheomedy"* - Where the Hell Did the Idea of Hell Come From?
*"Retired bishop explains the reason why the Church invented "Hell" - Ideapod"*
Watch *"The Origins of Salvation, Judgement and Hell"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica
(Sensitive theists should only watch from 7:00 to 17:30 minutes as evangelical Christians are lambasted. He's a former theist and has been studying the scholarship and comparative religions for over 15 years)
*"Top Ten Reasons Noah’s Flood is Mythology - The Sensuous Curmudgeon"*
*"Forget about Noah's Ark; There Was No Worldwide Flood | Bible Interp"*
*"The Search for Noah’s Flood - Biblical Archaeology Society"*
*"Eridu Genesis - World History Encyclopedia"*
*"The Atrahasis Epic: The Great Flood & the Meaning of Suffering - World History Encyclopedia"*
Watch *"How Aron Ra Debunks Noah's Flood"*
(8 part series debunking Noah's flood using multiple branches of science)
*"The Adam and Eve myth - News24"*
*"Before Adam and Eve - Psychology Today"*
*"Gilgamesh vs. Noah - Wordpress"*
*"Old Testament Tales Were Stolen From Other Cultures - Griffin"*
*"Parallelism between “The Hymn to Aten” and Psalm 104 - Project Augustine"*
*"Studying the Bible"* - by Dr Steven DiMattei
(This particular article from a critical Biblical scholar highlights how the authors of the Hebrew Bible used their *fictional* god as a mouthpiece for their own views and ideologies)
*"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history?"* -- by Dr Steven DiMattei
*"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them"* -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei
I take it that this comment wa written by a fan of Dr Matteo a biblical scholar? However not one of these texts proves that the ancient Sumerians were the originators of the flood story mythology or many of their other myths. If this doctor examined the astronomy of both cultures he would realise that the Hebrew Bible probably dates back further than the site of Gobekli Tepe circa 12,000 BCE
@@robsellars9338 Can you cite your sources so I can look into that please. Thank you.
@@φαρμακεία-πρωταρχικός i can do better than that, i can supply you my book on the subject early next year when it is published. Thanks for your interest.
@@robsellars9338 Or you could just give me the main source you’re referencing to make that claim, not everyone wants to purchase an entire book just to find a specific claim when you literally could just copy and paste it in the comments.🤨
@@robsellars9338 I find it quite disingenuous, even deceptive to make a claim after the original comment cited all of their sources for each of the claims included; but instead of just engaging and actually citing your source for a very specific claim, you instead insist on purchasing a book that I have no reason to believe will ever be published.
So happy I found your channel. I’m investigating more Gnostic teaching, it sure makes more sense than anything else.
you are at the top of the gnostic rabbit hole. there were many gnostic cults, not all as attractive as the ones you may have already heard of so far. just brace yourself. it is going to be a bumpy ride.
It may make more sense but it's still rubbish like all religion
I love the point Elaine made about religious beliefs leading us to believe we are "above" and "outside" nature. It certainly has lead to us trying to subjugate and command everything in nature, which has actually only lead us to harm and destroy earth as a result. Very terrible thinking.
Which was the lesson that was intended to be taught, that man cannot rule, and no man can own the land, it only leads to desolation, hence the god of destruction, is the god of Man
Ergo, I am the Son of Man, Jesus is a false creation designed to curse the Romans, but also men who are pigs regardless of their heritage
Jesus is the Celtic God of Death and associated himself with the serpent in the Garden, Adam, who lied about the women eating the fruit.
And the last character in the Bible is death, who is Jesus, who reverses the narrative, making the sun rise in the west, which is the Moon.
Which means the whole thing was written in reverse, in order to pass that secret over the heads of everyone who reads these things as literal
Solomon, Sun and Moon, messenger Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, Venus, Uranus
U, You, Ur, Your
He him his
And i ...the one eyed King
It's about the idea that i doesn't exist, there is only _we_ ours, uses
The collective over the arrogance of Male Rulers
It's a stitch in time
@@Uncanny_Mountain what was he cooking
I like her. Genuine scholarship is always more rewarding than the alternatives, which are never in short supply.
I love the story , clearly it and introduction to deception not only in ourselves but as a force to Create for Good or Evil
*“You should obey God” is assumed in G2-3*
Genesis 2-3 proceeds as though the readers already believe that Yahweh Elohim should be obeyed without question. Being punished for doing wrong before you could know the difference between right and wrong makes no sense… except to readers who assume that their culture is somehow in ate to reality.
The word for naked and the word for wisdom in Hebrew have the same three root letters Aleph, Resh, and Mem. This is a clue to the true meaning, which despite Elaine Pagels disclaimer, actually does exist. There are thousands of misinterpretations which lead nowhere.
No it doesn't. The word truth has no place anywhere near the rubbish in genesis. Also it's not even close to 3000 years old.
Thanks again for exposing me to Dr. Pagels! I like comparing the different beliefs too, it’s nice to watch something that does just that in a civil, scholarly manner. I suppose it’s no surprise there are a couple nasty comments already. Merry Christmas! 🎅🏻🎄🧑🏻🎄
I love Dr Pagels’ work and her knowledge and ease of communication. People think a Christian scholar is working either for or against Christianity…. But sometimes one can be both, or neither !
Ive been binging mythvision for a couple weeks. Fascinating and satisfying.
More satisfying than the 10 yrs I spent reading the bible wall-to-wall FOUR TIMES.
That says more about you than the Bible.
@@dannorris8478 Doesn't it? It sure shows her intelligence in researching outside of that book for truth. And your comment says a lot about you.
@@lnqxr You might want to try stepping outside the Mythvision echo chamber sometime. Tom Wright has a good video on Gnosticism that destroys the likes of Pagels and Ehrman. They are pulp historians and theologians who are regularly pummelled by the likes of Wright, Craig Evans, Ben Witherington, William Lane Craig and others. The Myth origins promoters of Christianity are not always wrong of course much like a broken clock.
I love that the beginning of Genesis is where my eternal fire and torment was born. I needed that guilt and shame for the cornerstone of my life foundations that I will need forever.
I have often wondered if gods wrath wasn’t so much because of Adam and Eve, but reflected how pissed and embarrassed he was that his professional career was in shambles almost immediately.
He finally decided what artistic direction to take his creation…after 600 trillion years of nothing. He finally starts to take off the training wheels and communicates a line of code. 1 rule to start off for his creation and 💣
Brilliant! The late, great Chris Hitchens is nodding in approval.
I never buy into gnostic demiurge, though it's good to learn the details and richness it brings to the tradition.
It would be nice if this podcast was available in podcast mode on platforms other than CZcams.
When I saw your channels all seeing eye I instantly knew that the ancient religion of Nimrod still burns strong.
I believe in the Great Pumpkin 🎃. 😳
Okay Lienus 🤡
The snake was a freedom fighter.
You want to be naked and ignorant?
Could be a blissful existence.
WHEN SOUL WAS DRESSED UP WITH MIND, THE GAMES OF KNOWLEDGE, LAWS AND DEATHS STARTED
Such a great Passion for theology. #Gratitude!
That lady looks like she could make a mean green bean casserole.
Adam and Eve is the story of human self-domestication. The original story comes from Mesopotamia as the Enki and Ninhursag story.
It was Eve (woman) that domesticated Adam (man), and that is what the forbidden fruit represents.
This is the transition of our mating style from polygamous to monogamous, and that is the reason why god refers to Adam and Eva as husband and wife…
At Baylor University - a S. Baptist university - I was taught that there was a period in Biblical history where the Priestly Writers organized how Biblical structure was presented following what had been the oral transmission of Biblical knowledge. Ergo, you have Genesis which explains Creation but also in going down a litany of who begat whom also establishes Israel’s ultimate right to the Holy Land through the Abrahamic dynasty.
What most people do not know about The Garden Of Eden is not only do Ompa-Loompas grow sum FUNKY-FUNKY-LOCO-WEED there but they also wiggle and jiggle and dance The Watusi, The Macarena, numerous Jigs and also fry corn dogs and funnel cakes for when they get The Munchies.
Your logo says EVERYTHING!
Ephesians 6:12 12 - For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, and against the worldly governors, the princes of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness, which are in the high places.
DO NOT be deceived by these false teachings! Want to know TRUTH, be able to see and hear? Talk to Our Father in heaven and ask!
Yet believers can't agree on His answers.
Yep told the truth and is not Satan🐍🐍🐍
The Snake told the truth and Yahweh did not.
@@travis1240he even confessed. Now that the man has become one of us
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Leviathan spirit,
Wadi Abu Hashem serpent worshipers!!!! Isaiah 44 :27 job 41:31 Waters of the deep be dried up and Destroy every Spirit of the Leviathan😅 it was Satan he tried to make Man In His Image according to your Bible story
@@travis1240there is no truth in religion pick which one you want to believe besides the Bible says that Satan rules all religions and commerce!!! Revelations 12:1 -13
God didn't lie. Neither did the serpent. They died on the 6th Day of creation. It is still the 6th Day of creation.
16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” John 5
Thanks!
Thank you 😊
The serpent is science.
There use to be 7 serpents
Math, writing, the stars, navigating the sea, farming. Magic which was probably medicine.
Thanks
Thank you 😊
Imagine if she got to debate Jordan Peterson lol
Sounds good in theory but if it happened in real life she would be obliterated
Jp and Shapiro are losers
What would they debate? Peterson doesn't take the Bible literally from everything I've seen.
Scholars can't out con a con man
No need to stoop to his level
@@broski365 I don't agree with everything he says but how exactly does he con people? Did he con you? By getting people to buy his books? Something everyone does these days?
But they did die, so the serpent lied.
"Adam’s death in the Garden was like that of a rose cut from its bush. The rose is dead once it is cut from the bush, but it does not wither immediately. Nevertheless, the fact that it will wither is certain from the moment it is cut from the bush. In the same way, Adam cut himself off from his source of life, God, through his sin. The breach in relationship with the life giver (i.e. ‘spiritual death’) was immediate, and the physical effects of that breach (i.e. decay and physical death) were inevitable from the moment of the breach, though the physical effects took time to manifest. To say that Adam’s death was only spiritual is contradicted by 1 Corinthians 15:21-22, which compares and contrasts the death that Adam brought into the world with the death from which Christ was resurrected.
"“The solution lies in the Hebrew, which uses forms of the same verb ‘to die’ (mût (מות)), together: môt’tāmût (מות תמות). It literally means ‘dying you shall die’, but the sense is the certainty, hence the translation ‘you shall surely die.’ Kulikovsky explains:
“‘When the infinitive absolute precedes a finite verb of the same stem (as is the case here), it strengthens or intensifies the verbal idea by emphasizing “either the certainty (especially in the case of threats) or the forcibleness and completeness of an occurrence.”In other words, the emphasis is on the certainty of their death rather than its precise timing or chronology. This is demonstrated in 1 Kings 2:37-46: Shimei could not possibly have been executed ‘on the day’ he exited his house since he was not killed until after he had travelled from Jerusalem to Gath, located his missing slaves, and travelled back to Jerusalem.’
Kulikovsky suggests an alternative understanding as well, that this phrase could be taken in the ingressive sense-that is, a verbal form that designates the beginning of an action, state or event. In other words, the focus is on the beginning of the action of dying-i.e. God’s warning really means, ‘… for when you eat of it you will surely begin to die.’”
Great job, grammatical analysis triumphing over speculative nonsense.
If one was to interpret the story according to its own internal logic, dying is not following God’s word and listening to a “beast of the field” something Adam was given dominion over but chose to follow instead of God, in other words he subverted the creators established chain of authority.
It’s a story to be interpreted by the individual to fill his needs to guide him to be good
Yet what is “good?” Adam and Eve were set up to fail though. Totally ignorant beings and god drops in a tree as bait, says don’t eat from it, then adds in a talking serpent who convinces the woman to try the fruit. Just ol god playing games it seems.
That is why the record we make with that ray of light is bordering the sphere and chaining what we have learned; hence the before and after, Time, the up and down, the succession
"Being" able to determine "Good and Evil" COMES FROM "Being Alive"(Here and Now). Dying to Live is what makes Life "Precious". Is "THIS" GOOD? or EVIL? "YOU" DECIDE!!! And then tell your Parents your decision... AND Your Children! And THAT(their) "serpent"/"thing"(thang) is "phallic" too! )
😢God's actions don't reflect good or evil, as a consequence to him, however, humans are subjected to the justice of choices be they good or evil.
But Adam and Eve DID die. They were eternal beings in the garden until they believed the lie of 'the serpent' and ate the fruit they weren't supposed to. They eventually died. It wasn't a poison fruit. I've never heard of people taking the Garden of Eden that literally. How can anyone, especially a 'professor' be that naive?
Very interesting.
Bobonet is the mind, as they say, the crazy one in the house that was what gave us the serpent of paradise, the tree of "knowledge." In Paradise we did not need to think why we had no questions, we lived in a contemplative state, similar to when we travel for recreation, like when we sit in a beautiful park in a new town for us, we do not think, we just contemplate; hence the joy of traveling, discovering new worlds.
Did she say Bobonet in this video? I've never heard that word before.
@@dorinamary7863Baphomet perhaps? There is a room in the wax museum in San Antonio I visited this summer…and I got to really see what beliefs can do to people. I looked at it and it literally looked like a smiling goat sitting on a throne but there was this little girl that was crying uncontrollably and her mom was rushing her out of there only to go into the next room with a scene of Jesus covered in blood being taken off a cross..I actually thought that was more horrible than that goat….and my daughter was like whatever to all of it because I tell her it’s all mind tricks.
Before Adam and Eve decided to “go their own way” they were in complete union/communion with God body soul spirit. They were eternal beings. We are created in the image of God which means we are spirit beings that have a soul and that live in a body. God did not lie. They did die in the spirit and were separated from the eternal life giving source that is God. Their body dying is the direct result of their spiritual condition. This is why Jesus said you must be born of the spirit. Most people in the world are still living and eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil and not the tree of life!
Yup that’s the truth
Thanks for another great video, Derek!
I correct: not the circumference, it was a quantum sphere
The Apologist will ALWAYS tell you that "Man Brought Sin" into the world with the sin of Eve.
Yet "The Serpent" seduced Eve to sin, so Sin ALREADY existed.
“sin siminy sin sin saroo!!”
MIND IS KNOWLEDGE AND LAWS.. SOUL IS BEYOND THIS..
THE MIND SINNED, NOT THE SOUL..
SOUL MUST NOT BE IDENTIFIED WITH MIND, BODY AND SENSORY PERCEPTIONS.. SOUL IS BEYOND THIS...
DESTINY IS TO BREAK AWAY FROM CYCLE OF BIRTHS AND REPEATED DEATHS
My mother (a Christian) always replied " to god a day is a thousand years" and they died within that time frame. However the rest of the story makes no sense at all if taken literally. It is clearly myth. Even the part about the snake being punished by having to crawl on its belly. How did it get around before? Jumping like a kangaroo!
If you read the original language or understood, it was The Shining One(Nachash, Adjective) and yes it did have four legs. Nachash could have been one of the Fallen Angels(The Watchers). The fruit wasn’t even an apple. Don’t listen to the fake whatever they are called and do your own research. 2 Corinthians 11:14
And why would god punish the snake. Apparently it was Satan talking through the snake like a ventriloquist. And this is an intelligent god?
The Bible uses a lot of metaphors. Either way if Satan was just controlling the snake, or if he imaged hisself as a snake, God was punishing Satan. When the scripture says God made the snake crawl on its belly for eternity, we can ascertain that God meant he was punishing Satan by having him be subjugated and humiliated.. Think about it this way.. if you have two or more legs to walk freely and hastily, you wouldn’t want to not use them and crawl on your own stomach for all eternity.
Pythagoras means Heart of the Serpent, he was born in Sidon, a fishing Port in Phoenicia. His mother recieved a message from the Oracle of Delphi that he would become a great Leader and Teacher. Sidon means Kingdom of the Fish, and the Essenes, who wrote the Dead Sea scrolls, worshipped Pythagoras. The Sarcophagus of Eschmun III found in Sidon names him as the Widow's Scion, aka Hiram Abiff, the Founder of Freemasonry, of which Tyre was the premier Capital (at least equal to Thebes).
In 911BC Rameses II married the Queen of Sidon, home of Jezebel (Daughter or consort of Baal, basically "Queen") founding Neo Assyrian Babylon, an alliance between Egypt and Hiram, father of Jezebel and King of Assyria, and Egypt, forming the Phoenician colonies and building the first Temple of Melqart to commemorate the alliance.
The Si in Sidon is the basis of the Latin Exe, or X, and is the basis of the Cross, or Chi Rho that Constantine painted on his shields. Also known as the Cross of Tyre, or Cross of Baal, being Ra-El, or Ba'El. Oddly enough irrational numbers can also be mapped using Euler's number, producing a Templar Cross in the process. This cross can also be seen around the neck of Nimrod in Assyria, and is consistent with the Union Jack, and Solstice Calendar found in the Vatican Shiva Lingam.
Shiva is the Hebrew word for 7, their culture also found its way to Japan (via the Phillipines) ultimately becoming Shintoism.
It was the Phoenicians who gave their name to the Pole Star, which they used to Navigate the Oceans using the Zodiac, thats what the Antikythera mechanism was for, and with it they wrote the Byblos Baal, what we now call the Bible. The first form of the Bible was written in 325BC and called the Vaticanus Greacus, or Son of the Sacred Serpent, a reference to Sirius, the basis of the Sothic Calendar, which uses a Hexidecimal or base 60 system found in all the Megalithic sites around the world.
In the second century AD astronomer Valentinus Vettori transcribed it into a Lunar chart of 13 houses, what we now call the Zodiac. Horoscope means Star Watcher, and the Phoenician word for Saturn, or El, was Israel or El, (Fruit) of Isis and Ra.
El is the primary God of the Phoenicians, representing the offspring of Egypt, and his consort Astarte represents the Assyrian half of the alliance. It may be possible to trace lineages and alliances through the naming of gods, which can be traced all the way to Ireland and the Vikings, and to Indonesia and the Americas, even as far away as New Zealand and Australia.
It denotes Sirius as Son of Orion and Pleaides, which sits at 33 degrees of the Zodiac. The basis of the Sothic (dir Seth) Calendar of the Egyptians. The New Moon in this position marks Rosh Hashanah, the Egyptian, Celtic, Phoenician, and Assyrian New Year, the first New Moon of September, which is called September because it's the 7th House of the Zodiac, when the Sun is in Ophiuchus.
The Phoenix, Benben, or Bennu is the Egyptian word for Heron, a Feathered 'Serpent'. It baptised itself in frankincense and myrrh at BaalBek, and then alights atop the Pyramid, upon the Holy Grail, or Alter of Ra every 630 years to take three days off the calendar during the course of the first New Moon of Nisan, which means "Prince". The Capstone of Pyramids is even called the Benben or Bennu.
The Phoenix is found in all religions, which are all Astrological Allegory for the Moon travelling through the Constellations, as a soul migrating from body to body, this is the basis of Joseph Campbell's Monomyth, or the Hero's Journey. The various planets no doubt play their own roles as portents, omens, and aspects, this astrology is the science of the Bronze age, and lasted all the way up to the 20th Century. Resurrection was an early teaching of the Christian Church, and likely relates to the lineage of Kings (The King is Dead, long live the King.)
Phoenicians represent the interim step between Egypt and Greece, their artisans and culture exceeding that of the Greeks, who literally adopted the Phoenician Alphabet, which we still use to this day, sounding out words phonetically. Phoenician is aliiterated in Venetian, and Vikings, being Kings of the Sea.
The Bennu is the Egyptian Phoenix, to Phoenicians the Hoyle, no different to the traditions of the Etruscans, who saw birds as sacred, just as the Celts. Hebrew and Iber as in Iberia have the same root meaning over, as in overseas, as in those who travel "over the sea." A colony called Iberia also appears on the Eastern shores of the Black Sea, where the same Dolmens and Megalithic culture originating in Ireland and Brittany appeared circa 4500BC.
_Phoenician_ means Scions of the Phoenix, the first Bible: Vaticanus Greacus Son of the Sacred Serpent (Prince). Then there's the Essenes, Sons of Light, the Tuatha De Danaan, Sons of Light, Annunaki, Sons of Light, Arthur Pendragon means Arthur Son of the dragon, Chertoff is Russian for "Son of the Devil" and Dracula also means Son of the Dragon, Masons have been known at times to call themselves the "Brotherhood of the Great White Serpent". The Ziggurat of Anu also denotes her as a great white Serpent, while New Grange and the Bru na Boinne in Ireland (4000BC) coated buildings with white quartz to denote the Moon. The Moon itself travels outside the Solar Elliptic by 5 degrees, which means it passes through specific constellations in a serpentine fashion that is always changing, but repeats every 19 years, the time it took to train a Druid or Magi, Magi meaning "Teacher" the Phoenix is also associated with this sacred number 19.
The name "Pharoah" means "Great House"
or "House of Light" and Cairo used to be called Babel. Pharaoh's themselves wore a hooded crown representing feathers, just as Native American Chiefs, ie the Feathered Serpent, they were also called the Commander in Chief. Aztecs also had Serpent Kings, (Canaan means Serpent Kings, and Sidon was a Son of Canaan, and Great Grandson of Noah) who were called to lead with cunning and guile, being the very virtue by which they claim the title in the first place; but to be seen in public as just and diplomatic.
"As wise as Serpents, but gentle as Doves" the old Egyptian flag of an Eagle attacking a Snake is also reflected in the Modern Mexican flag, denoting the Constellations of Serpentis (13th sign of the Zodiac) and Aquila.
The dimensions and 12 mathematical constants of the Great Pyramid are also expressed in New Grange, and Stonehenge, as well as in Watson Brake, (2500BC) and Teotihuacan, which correlates to the Phoenician/ Sumerian Hexidecimal system, which is what our modern systems of time are based on.
Officially no one knows who invented astrology, the zodiac, navigation by the stars, and time keeping. But whoever built the pyramids, and pioneered the 24hr clock in Egypt 5000 years ago also knew the exact dimensions of the Earth, as well as the speed of light. These calculations can all be made using these Megalithic sites as surveyors use a theodolite. Specifically Teotihuacan, which sits 180 degrees opposite Cairo, and has the exact same footprint. The ideal positions to determine the speed of light using the transit of Venus, by which one can accurately determine Longitude for navigation. Capt cook did the same thing in 1774 when he 'discovered' Easter Island.
The only culture that fits the bill was wiped out "not one stone upon the other" by the Romans in 146BC. Tyre, the capital of Phoenicia (israel) sat just offshore from Ur Shalom, City of the New Moon, or City of Peace. The root of the name Jerusalem, and was also seized by Rome in 70AD after a 13 year seige. The gap between is 216 years.
Greek Dionysians built the Temple of Solomon (now called the Temple of Melqart) representing the Solar Lunar Metonic Calendar on which this system is based, they also carried mirrors, a practice associated with both the Magi and the Druids as well as Greek and Egyptian scholars, these Mirrors are Astrological charts called "Cycladian Frying Pans" and record the cycles of the planets. The first Temple of Melqart (the Phoenician form of Horus, or Hercules, or Pan, or Thor) representing the 13th Constellation of Ophiuchus or the Serpent Bearer (hence Orphic Serpent worship) had pillars of Emerald and Gold, representing Isis and Osiris. The Jerusalem Temple only took payment in "Shekels of Tyre" a currency minted during the Jewish rebellion against Rome. "Give that which is Ceasar's unto Ceasar"
When Alexander sacked Tyre in 332BC they moved to Carthage meaning "New City" or New Jerusalem, where they built a second temple with Pillars of Bronze.
Nebuchadnezzar also seiged Tyre for 13 years, taking the City captive in 573BC: the same time as the biblical account of the Jews. And again in 70AD after a three and a half year seige, also consistent with biblical accounts.
@@DarenHoekstrait's all the same person battling with different viewpoints
Adaemone, the first Adam, a Day Moon, the Sun. Esus is the Celtic God of Death, and like Arkenaten he identified with the Sun. What no one bothers to look at is the Moon, which can walk on water, and has 13 houses, the 13th being Ophiuchus, the Manger Jesus was born in. But it's written in reverse, like a mirror, which is how Egyptians made astronomical records, writing right to left. The Bible documents the change to the age of Aquarius but backwards, so that an observer can see that time that transition was made.
Which was Dec 21 2023.
The Garden of Eden is New Zealand, specifically the North Island, Skull island, Paradise, Hyperborea, Atlantis, that mysterious location in all the movies where the compass goes crazy. In Hell, the Underworld, until it becomes Heaven, the Northern Star ⭐
The garden of Eden occurred during the last Golden age of Satya yuga metaphorically speaking=the age of spiritual truths,as expoused in spiritual savant Sri Yukeswars book: The Holy Science.
The serpent represents the Kundalini energy.The tree of life is the nadis-nerve channels that carry the sacred shakti throughout the body.The death spoken of is the death of a serparation/individuation from GOD.
In the Satya yuga the Garden of Eden was inside a person which, when they entered Sahaja samadhi,produced great inner joy & happiness=an inner paradise.
You have correctly linked Judaism roots with the same roots as Hinduism. Everything else after this fluke is pure conjecture. There is no evidence that I am aware of that can link spiritual teachings as the source of either civilizations mythology
It's a great story made even better when Ron Bushey is playing the organ.😂😂😂
For me, the story is about the evolution of human intelligence and the suffering that comes with it. Animals don’t worry about being naked in front of other animals, but human intelligence and socialization makes us care about how we appear to others. Ignorance is bliss, but we also learned better ways to survive through communication and tools. The serpent is neither good nor evil, but represents evolution from earlier version of humans that were less intelligent (as God created them) to our current form.
This is in my top 5 fav podcasts
Once outside that sphere, we were left bordering it like a fly looking at cake in a display case.
Beautiful lady
I think it’s about being blissfully ignorant, returning to our roles as created contingently dependent beings and leaving wisdom and judgement to God, as it’s literally impossible for us as humans to know anywhere nearly enough of anything to really judge anything.
Until the body is filled with Light, those words are sophomoric. Once the Eye can see, the Word takes on an entirely different meaning. It will contradict much of what has been discussed amongst "believers"
A believer will never Know - that is why they are called believers
Which god?
@@eprd313 what do u mean by which god? just God I guess? God is God, right???
@@PerpetualPreponderer there's Ganesh, there's Odin, there's Allah, there's Yahweh, there's Osiris, there's the Dao, there's Brahma... There are over 15000 different gods. So which one of them are you referring to?
The church always says: "But they died spiritually the day they ate the fruit."
Since they cannot say that God lied, they have to say something. 😅
When it fails, they have to reinterpret it to mean something else.
Another interpretation. Is that they were meant to live forever. When they are the fruit, their days were numbered. If they didn’t eat the fruit, they would still be living today.
The church interprets how it sees fit for itself.
@@-gt7tq 100%
Adam simply means human. The Adam and Eve story is just allegory on humanity as a whole. If one thinks that Adam and Eve were the first human beings. Please go seek help.
@cloudryder. Exactly! So funny😅
Nowhere in the bible it is me ntioned the snake is Satan, and taking the original story into account the snakes name is Tiamat a benevolent snake and we still see it in medics today. Part of the Epic of Gilgamesh.
Bingo
revelations?
Rev 12:9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
@@petertimings8464 Is that the bible with the rapture in it as well, cause that part isnt in the majority of the bibles around the globe
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1. Ezekiel never claimed that it was a serpent in the garden in chapter 28. Pretty sure the king of Tyre didn’t exist either.
2. He was a rebel who didn’t like humans, Adam and Eve buried their son because of him.
3. Even in Job 1, the satan was at the Throne. What’s up with that? I thought he was kicked out of God’s presence.
More importantly, why do Jesus’ temptations reflect Genesis 3,6, & 11?
You are arguing for the demiurge luciferian interpretation. The story is about incarnation in a physically Concious being. YHWH does not say “you will die on that day.” He says “if you partake of that tree, surely you will know death.” He does not mention fruit whatsoever. It is in reference to the branching of space and time.
The serpent says “if you partake of the FRUIT, surely you won’t die.” The word for fruit used by the serpent is “MiPeri,” and it also means the womb. He tells them their eyes will open; all that are born and leave the womb then opens it eye. All that embodies from the the womb is conscious and physically manifest, and will surely die by natural law. That is: All that is physically manifest in this realm with conciousness also dies.
Wisdom
I suspect the story of Adam and Eve is at least in part about the transition from hunter gatherer to farmer.
According to Enoch, the angel that deceived Eve was a mid-level Commander in Hell's legions, named Gadreel
The Shining One in the original language. Now you know why Enoch and other books were removed…. 2 Corinthians 11:14
There nakedness and being shamefully has to do with them being ashamed of there forgetfulness as there is the creator and then there is the god of the old testament who splits them into Adam and Eve so they don't know there divinity
So they divided the divine 😵💫🚀
Before the Fall were Adam and Eve gardeners, and after, farmers?
In the Summer they were lifeguards, in the Fall farmers, in the Winter snow plowers and in the Spring coaches for Little League teams 🤓
@@effdonahue6595 Oh yeah, I remember. Wasn't one of the Little League teams they coached called the Serpents?
@@WattisWatts 😆 yeppers! 👍
No the serpent in Genesis is not necessarily the good guy even if you think he told the truth. Imagine for example a teenage boy being told by his father, "Don't go to my closet to get the Playboy magazines because if you do, you will go blind!". I then tell him, "Did your father say you would go blind? Well actually, not only won't you go blind, but you will get to see beautiful naked women." He then goes to his father's closet and looks at the Playboy magazines. When his father finds out, he kicks him out of the house (keeping the story analogous to the Genesis story).
Now, would you consider me a hero for telling him that? After all, I told him the truth, right?
The father in your analogy is also the bad guy. The solution to disobeying is not shunning. Lying is not the path to garnering respect or obedience. In both cases, the one telling the truth may not be the “hero,” but they are certainly in a better moral position than either father.
@@InigoMontoya- If you know that the father is highly abusive, it might actually be a good idea to lie to the kid and tell him to not get into the Playboy magazines because what his father said is true. It's a little bit like telling the nazis that you are not hiding Anne Frank in your basement. Believing that you will go blind if you read Playboy is a lesser "evil" than being kicked out of the house.
What I lacked, to understand how we were left after with original sin we lost that innocence, that contemplative state, what a cube was. If we split the cube in 2, in its half, which was how Satan (the snake) left us, we only see one half of the Cube, the pyramid in which we see everything, that is why we are incapable of seeing our neighbor as our equal, always, located In a pyramidal evaluation, we judge, we compare the other with us, and we judge whether he is higher or lower than us in the pyramid, if he is more or less beautiful, if he is more or less than us, if he is richer or less rich, If it is poorer or less poor, if it is more intelligent or less intelligent, if it is more clever or less clever, even if it is more holy or less holy, that is what is called the Law of Sin, we are incapable of stopping doing those trials😊
Sin means flesh. Our sin is our flesh we became covered in Sin flesh
There's something called the Law of Sin and Death. Is that what you mean? "The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the Law of Sin and Death." Romans 8:2
The most strangest thing about the end times saga and the Garden of Eden story is the return of Lilith. "I" see the Old Serpent has returned too the Garden of Eden, that is true. "I" see Lilith is back in the Garden of Eden as well, that is the truth and very provable, but "I" don`t see Adam or Eve anywhere in the story lines, that is very strange. Good advice, watch out what you do or say around Lilith, Lucifer and the Black Madonna, they`re the current Deities of are times.
I always consider the Garden of Eden story to be the collective reminiscence that people had of the era in human history when mankind were hunter gatherers with the emphasis on the gathering side rather than the hunting. Humans then were primarily vegetarians -just gathering the fruit from the trees or collecting it from the ground. Agriculture had yet to be invented.Animals hadn't been domesticated. Of course it was a very rosy view of the world -there must have been so many lethal predators around. The fall came when people got the bright ideas of tilling the land, building ships to sail on the water, inventing all kinds of stuff -thereby man became a slave to his own inventions.He also became ashamed of his nakedness and put on clothes - he lost his innocence. The parallel story is of course the classical myth of the Golden Age as told by Greek poets and Virgil.
In the animal kingdom, when the eyes are in front these animals hunt, when the eyes are on each side, they are non-hunting herbivores. Humans have eyes in the front. Since they didn't floss and brush their teeth back then, some of the foods they ate are still stuck between their teeth and these remains can be identified. Mass spectrometry applied to teeth enable scientists to identify specific amino acids found on teeth, some come from plants, others from fish and meat.
Great comment
Humans were nicer back than!
@@HepCatJackthere are hundreds of exceptions to such simplistic "rule". Two really evident ones being snakes and gorillas.
Man is an omnivore alongside pigs, bears and others that I can't think of at the moment. Gorillas are herbivores and they have eyes in the same position as we have -how does that work out?@@HepCatJack
Being naked in the Garden doesn't mean that they were not wearing clothes. Being naked means they felt vulnerable because of their authenticity. Putting their clothes back on is like wearing a mask, hiding their authenticity, so that they could fit in more easily.
Eating the fruit means allowing your judgment to get under your skin. Judgment is the fruit produced by the knowledge of Good and Evil, the trees namesake. Forgiveness, apology, or humility is spitting the fruit up. Grace is leaving it on the tree, reserving judgment or at least are attachment to it.
The church and even the Bible would have you believe that the original sin had to do with obedience but it actually had nothing to do with obedience. It had everything to do with emotional intelligence.
Work is not a four-letter word. In the Garden we get to work. Outside the Garden we must.
When you try to make sense of that which is ridiculous you end up with...
I like the idea of the gnostics being right. I probably prefer the gospel of mary to be canonical though.
Animal and land worshipping is nuts too.
This whole planet is nuts
Another great video.
Born from an epiphany I had years ago.
Adam and Eve were created but having no knowledge of good and evil knew neither joy nor sorrow. Only the perpetual bliss that accompanies perpetual innocence. They were like children who knew no day from any other. It was a world full of beauty but immeasurable for there was nothing ugly to compare it to. A world without contrast. Utopian in nature but incomplete.
Every day they would ask The Lord.
"Are you our father?"
And every day the Lord would answer.
"In form but not in spirit."
Innocent as they were they left it at that and went upon their daily routine of exploring the garden and giving name to form. One day they came upon a tree guarded by an angel who forbid them from eating from it.
"Why can't we eat of this tree? they asked.
The Angel, responded," that is not for me to say, you must ask The Father."
So they did just that.
The Father told them,
"That is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If you eat of it you will gain that knowledge but at a price."
" What price? "They asked.
"You can no longer eat from the Tree of life until your soul matures."
"Then will we be like you in form and spirit Father?"
" No. Then you must overcome The Adversary. Experience all manner of pain and sorrow. War with the flesh for untold centuries. Then you will be able to return and see the garden through my eyes."
"When we return from where, Father?,
"From beyond the gates.
"Why must we leave Father?"
"Because, Only souls cannot grow in paradise. Only souls cannot grow in the garden of Eden. The soul only grows through adversity. And there is no adversity in paradise."
"Will you be with us father? Will you help us?"
" I could no longer be able to make decisions for you but you have only to ask and I will be there for I am
everywhere."
" Then that is what we will do Father. We choose to eat of the Tree of knowledge of good and evil and we choose to leave the garden. Then one day we will be like you Father in form and spirit."
Tame your temptations
Since Adam and Eve had never seen death before, how were they supposed to comprehend what they were told?
And if they had no knowledge of good and evil how could they know disobeying was wrong,
I think of the "death" as a death of ignorance. They got to a point where they knew that their actions could elicit suffering or joy (good and evil). And they were ashamed of their capacity for creating suffering, so ashamed they felt naked. The snake sheds its skin and is sort of reborn, which is what they can do over and over again.
Christ wasn't the snake the snake was cursed by God.
In my view, technology IS eating of the tree of knowledge, and it is technology which is destroying the Garden.
Hence Apple products 😵💫
If we are to accept Christianity’s belief that YHWH created everything, then he created humanity with the intelligence to observe, scientifically test and analyze our environment. But the first command he issued to Adam and Eve was Genesis 2:17 "But of the tree of knowledge... thou shalt not eat". YHWH's Plan "A" (creation) (Genesis 1:1-31) failed when he decided to expel Adam and Eve from the garden (Genesis 3:22-24). By the time we get around to reading Revelation, Plan "E" becomes an imaginary afterlife paradise. The moment an alternate plan must be put into action, all-knowing and infallible characteristics are no longer a reasonable supposition for any god. How were two mere humans after eating a fruit supposed to have been infused with a miraculous substance which empowered them with their creator’s knowledge, able to coerce this all-knowing, all-powerful, infallible, invisible and eternal creator of everything God into believing they were just like him (or "us", if we are to recite the story correctly), and then into expelling them from paradise in fear they might eat another piece of fruit superimposed with another miraculous, eternal life imparting substance? An all-knowing and infallible creator of the universe would have, (should) have been intelligent enough to omit the planting of such consequential fruit trees during the construction of paradise ("Plan A").
For example, mathematically, if we project that flashlight from the edge of the sphere to the center we ingest the Number 1, which philosophically is an ontological, not a logical, concept, and from 1 in a reflective thought, through its reflection, science unfolds. of unity in a movement of reason called logic
How arrogant can we be does nobody remember the story of Pandora’s box ignorance is bliss yes we can have hope but we have to unleash all the evils of the world to know it it just wasn’t worth it we could’ve had eternity in Eden no pain no strife no suffering the serpent was not right the serpent gave you a little truth and let you wallow in agony just cause he’d rather suffer with some company we weren’t supposed to know good or evil because we’d have to know evil we weren’t supposed to know life or death because we’d have to know death now we know mortality and we know it SUCKS he was trying to spare us
You know even Lilith is something even most Atheist dont know about in the garden. I am thinking she ate from the tree of knowledge and seen god was lying on her own or Lucifer woke her up like he did for Adam and Eve. I try and talk about Lilith a lot and ask if some of the story was true why is the left behind stuff not true in your mind?
Was Frazier in the Garden with Lilith 🤓💃🕺🏿
@@effdonahue6595 No but I sure hope you are just joking and not mocking like what I said wasnt in the old test.
@@xaviersxmen1735😆😆😆🚀
Unless I missed it , the most eye opening fact of the creation story is understanding just WHO lied? What did God say to Adam if he ate the fruit? Now when Adam was confronted by Satan to eat and Adam tried to reject by repeating Gods warning what did Satan say? Satan told Adam yada yada yada that Gods warning was bogus and reading the rest of Genesis you see what Satan said actually held true. Adam did not die that day , and man went on to become like Gods leading up to the flood story.
The Hebrew word for day is Yohm which means a period of time. In this case it was a thousand years. Adam died within a thousand years at about 930 years. They also died spiritually losing gods favour.
The servant was used by Satan like a ventriloquist might use a dummy.
It is a true event. 1 Timothy 2:14 says Also, Adam was not deceived, but the woman was thoroughly deceived and became a transgressor
Paul never wrote Timothy. Why are you quoting it?
And when did Eve die?
@@origenjerome8031
The two letters to Timothy have been accepted from the earliest times as written by Paul and as part of the inspired scriptures
The early christian writers including Polycarp Ignatias and Clement of Rome all agree on this and the letters are included in the catalogs of the first few centuries as Paul writing. One authority writes There are few New Testament writings which have stronger attestation.... objections to authenticity must therefore be regarded as modern innovations contrary to the strong evidence from the early church.
The bible is silent on Eves time of death
@petertimings8464
So Eve didn't die within a thousand years after eating the forbidden fruit. Otherwise, the scripture writers would have known about it because "supposedly" these unknown writers were divinely inspired. Why they missed out on Eve's death baffles the mind. Maybe she's still alive today.
Nearly all bible scholars have dismissed Timothy as having been written by Paul. And this claim that Polycarp and Clement both agreeing to the letters being written by Paul, is just pure apologetic speculation. There is no available evidence supporting this claim. The so-called "authenticity" claims are just largely attributions at best.
We were originally in spirit forms from NON DUALITY REALMS.. we came down to have all Types of EXPERIENCES, LIGHT AND DARKNESS.. THAT IS THE REASON WHY THE FLESH OR FAKE BODIES WERE GIVEN TO US...to hav all types of experiences
The transcendantal aspect of Yahweh is look like the dualistic gods of the Zoroastrism.
words created light, or light created words???
Quite the interesting irony here, Pagels a known plagiarist discussing the Serpent and lying.
Satan was not a serpent; he was a heavenly being who had a mind of his own. He just did not conform with the status quo so the supreme powers fell out with him. The Gods wanted to keep the humans in ignorance and obeyance but Lucifer the bringer of knowledge opened their eyes.
Ok if you love satan why don’t you ask him does he love you? Ask him to be your father cause it seems like you and him have something in common you both are losers
Did anyone see the movie Carnival of Souls, with Candace Hilligoss ?
Should read the enuma elish
No offense to Dr. Pagels, but Dana Carvey could play her in the movie....
She’s the original Church Lady, “oh I don’t know, perhaps Satan?” 😈
When you interview people, you should be visible in the frame as well.
But when, as I say, when the lights of the 4 points of the Cube turn on, with the Light of Christ, the positions in the pyramid are lost and in the cube we will all be equal and what Christ says at the beginning of the Book is fulfilled. from Revelation: you think you are clothed, and "I tell you that you are naked"
You have to read the nag Hamadi txts the reason sin was born into the world of humans was because the god of the Old testament rapes eve and is the true father of Caine it's why jealousy hate etc Adam and Eve coming back together is the line of Seth
My ex Nag the Hamadi out of me 🤠
I am sure Dr Elaine Pagel knows of the hybrid child Adapa transported in a skyship to Nibiru to meet with Anu. Enki (his father) didn't want Adapa to partake of the food or beverage there as then Adapa would 'live forever' as a god, Enki knew somehow it wasn't right and was deceiving them about the parentage of Adapa. The young man could speak the language and was advanced in learning, unlike the other test-tube kids ... but Adapa and his mate Titi were conceived children by the two girls (red-haired; recessive genes in the race that spawned the 'chosen') down by the river.
That is from where the story originated, from the 'don't eat or you will die'.
All of the descendants from Mesopotamia henceforth had hybrid blood, the Israelites were from 'Black-haired Enki.
Another problem regards 'The Son of Man' is that He is ignored and disrespected.
Melchizedek was born of a virgin also and as well as Christ. 2Enoch
He was gathered to Paradise before the Deluge.
It is to His DNA (same as Christ) that Abraham bowed. He is Immortal, forever, has never died.
By bowing down then the seeds of Moses and Aaron also bowed because they were still in the groin of Abraham.
Then along came El Elyon and one of his sons Yahweh.
Cain and Abel, Isaac and his rejection of Ishmael .
Jacob and his deception with Esau, the problems of a god (false) that caused constant death in a family that consistently disobeyed (because they were born into the original 'Sin' of Eve!!???!!!
The objective of the prophesy of Christ is to reconcile all the fallen (even the enemy principalities) back to the Holy and loving Creator. But we need to get past the Lies and the father of Lies.
What language did God and the serpent use to talk to Adam? Did God speak Hebrew? Did Adam speak Hebrew?
Parseltongue.
Hebrew, Arabic, Greek and Latin of course
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Aramaic and light language. God and adam communed with light language. Soul language.
Reading some of the gnostic texts gives the same impression.
The serpent in the garden of Eden is Enki that gave man knowledge.
I don't see Genesis creation myth as a polemic against Babylonian, Assyrian or Caananite mythology, as if the jewish god is somehow apart from nature and the other gods are forces of nature - this is just christian apologetics. Baal, Enlil, Zeus, El, they are all personified beings associated with natural phenomena - thunder and storm - just like Yahweh. They are not thunder itself