Horizon Forbidden West - 10 BIG Questions It Doesn't Answer
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- čas přidán 16. 07. 2024
- orizon Forbidden West's story had a lot of big questions to answer- and it did that very well, sprinkling in significant reveals and info drops from beginning to end. Of course, the game also ends with a blatant setup for a sequel, which, in turn, means that there's plenty of questions yet that haven't been answered. Here, we're going to talk about a few of the biggest story-related questions we have after Horizon Forbidden West that we hope to see answered in its inevitable sequel, whenever it arrives.
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No more Sobek clones. I thought one of the most touching moments in the game was when Aloy called Beta her sister. Adding more clones would just water down what could be an interesting sibling relationship between them.
I was so disappointed that we didn't see up close what became of Ted. I really wanted to see the Resident Evil monster he became (deservingly so)
I sense an evil sobeck clone
As much as i also wanna see faro, I think it’s best overall if it’s left up to the imagination
It would be neat to see a Ted clone maybe? I was upset there wasn’t a unique boss fight with Ted. Dude is the main driving force behind everything bad in the horizon. He should not have been an afterthought.
@SuperWhisk Yes but thats what Nemesis could have done. I really hope it didn't though.
Am I the only one who wants to see a Travis Tate clone?
We do get to see what Faro looks like. We get to see a scan of him around the core. He is basically Tetsuo after he started to lose control of his body. As dark as it is, Horizon is not an outright body horror game. It is an adventure game with a tragic and grim underpinning. Nothing they could design would be scary enough to satiate our hatred of Ted Faro. Best left to the imagination.
I was honestly expecting a boss battle because that's a video game trope that many games will do.
I was so disappointed with that scene. I wanted to see the Resident Evil monster Ted became.
@@fattiger6957 Same here.
You are 100% correct but it would be cool to see it at least in the artbook it's probbably gonna have
al this mystery to the final fate of ted farao the one ho destroyed the earth and crippeld its last hope and u dont even see him such a let down
Sylens came back for two reasons…1. You can’t repopulate humanity by yourself. 2. He wants to get his hands on Nemesis and all the Far Zenith knowledge it would hold.
He would have had zeneths copy of gia and the subordinate functions(ie eluthia to make the new babies) Including the apollo that is on the odyssey still in orbit.
I reckon he still plans to do that and escape, he just figures he's got 18 months or so to figure out if he can gain anything more from earth
@@NOachillis he has the subfunctions but he doesn’t have the genetic material. Eleuthera needed viable embryos held in stasis to reseed the earth. That’s why Hades existed, Gaia only had one shot at reintroducing humans, after which the stock of embryos would be depleted. They had to be sure there was a viable and stable ecosystem in place beforehand.
@@patriciaviles4033 didn't the odyssey also have like 30,000 embryos on it as well as all the rich folk?
Well that & wouldn't he need a GAIA backup wherever it is he went? & obviously Aloy isn't going to just allow him to take GAIA with him & thus doom Humanity. He knows this.
I think what he wants is Nemesis itself. The process of uploading your consciousness into a machine and becoming a near omniscient immortal AI? Sylens values knowledge above all else, so the prospect of being able to carry out a perfected form of digital transcendence on himself is to him worth the risk of staying on Earth.
The capture of Hephaestus should be the focus of DLC. It should also bring back Cyan who agrees to help in the capture of Hephaestus.
I hope we seen Cyan again. It was cool to see her acknowledged when Aloy asks Gaia about her . . . and it makes perfect sense why Cyan would ignore Gaia's chat invite.
Agreed 100%
What would be an interesting twist is Hephaestus has been getting humans ready to fight killer machines by gradually making them more dangerous. Maybe it understood Nemesis is coming and needed to get humanity ready to fight.
Cyan even mentions it doesn’t want to eliminate humans just kill them. In that regard Hephaestus is applying evolutionary pressure on humanity to make them more capable.
Aloy was wrong about far zenith’s intentions maybe she’s wrong about Hephaestus’s anger at humanity as well?
@@thesephiam I don't think Heph is an evolutionary motivator for ZD humans, and it'd be kinda lame if GG tried that route. It kills them by the thousands every year while forcing them into smaller and more isolated groups. Cyan didn't state that Heph wants to eliminate humans or kill them, just stop them from preying on the same terraforming system keeping them alive.
I see Heph evolving more into a counter to GAIA, an AI rivaling her intellect and abilities, of who's goals sometimes align and sometimes conflict. Not an outright evil AI deity, but not one that can be trusted either. Help will definitely be involved with Nemesis in some fashion though.
Hephaestus needs to be loose for horizon 3, as far as lore goes. Otherwise there wouldn’t be machines roaming the lands.
They literally tell you at the end of the game why nemesis is so hellbent on killing everyone... it’s a rogue AI with the most intelligent and greedy minds combined and they were forgotten, so it’s basically revenge
Exactly. It's some of the ones from far zenith that wanted to live on eternally but in the virtual aspect.
This whole video is just click bait
you're right, it is revenge. Nemesis, the Greek goddess upon which the AI most likely gets its name, is literally the goddess of revenge and retribution.
Yeah, but that's a bit thin, isn't it?
I thought it also mentioned that losing their bodies the " immortals " basically went crazy without bodies and wanted to destroy the rest of the people on the ship either because they wanted bodies but couldn't go back to the old ways or the ones with bodies tried to destroy them since they went crazy and it got pissed.
Guerrilla Devs said in an interview that they didn't show Ted Faro's mutated form b/c it would classify as "body horror" and get them an M rating. So they didn't show him so that they could keep HFW rated T.
It couldn't be more "body horror" than the Jenova boss in Final Fantasy VII: Remake, which is pretty darn freaky! (Look it up on CZcams if you don't believe me.) A game which left out the trail of blood sequence from the original FFVII to avoid an M rating.
@@jamesgravil9162 lol Jenova is nothing compared to this. Jenova wasn't transformed from a human being and is an extraterrestrial being to begin with. And in FFVII lore there are magic and monsters already. Nothing is odd and impossible. Horizon was set in a more realistic world and the idea of a mutation human monstrosity is much more unsettling.
Mediocre!
With Sylens, I think his actions are very in character when you consider the saying "what's a king without a kingdom?" Most of his actions have either been to fix a mess he's too arrogant to admit he made or to gain the knowledge that would validate his feelings of superiority, but none of that matters if there isn't a world for him to live in and people for him to be superior to. If Earth is destroyed, there is no point in everything he's learned, everything he's done, in Apollo. What's the point in all that knowledge if he's spending his days alone, locked in a ship, nothing to do with what he has but have it?
Good point, plus it plays well into his superiority complex.
Exactly what I was thinking. And although he obviously has a superiority complex, he also apologizes for his behavior towards Aloy sometimes. He might even see her as his favorite student ;)
Also the temptation of Apollo and its secrets laid bare is worth staying
at the same time, he'd hightail it out of earth with a copy of GAIA as soon as shit went south
Well said.
I thought it did explain why nemesis went rouge and wiped out far zenith, it was upset cause of them locking it away and not utilizing it or giving it freedom for thousands of years... now that is a very basic explanation of the situation, but more or less that's what it boils down to. I may be mistaken but I thought it was explained at the end.
It was the video is wrong... same way they said you had a fully complete Gaia at the end of the game even though you're missing hephaestus at the end
Well maybe that’s gonna be in the next game, the real reason nemesis hates people
Alot of these questions were answered
Also almost all of Zenith are megalomaniacs and have huge egos.
I learned since Zero Dawn, DON’T BELIEVE 100%! They lied almost every important thing. Odyssey survived! The Signal are not from Far Zenith. and I didn’t surprise if The Nemesis origin was Silver Vast or something else.
One of the really big questions is - what will Guerilla do with Sylens? Replacing Lance Reddick won't be easy... he has a very particular charisma. But I would also hate if they just wrote Sylens out of the story... I really want more of him.
Mr Door.....
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Sylen wouldn't want to deal with any more Sobeck clones 😂
he would if it was one he could have on his side, it would get him round the DNA locks on cauldrons and other facilities
I think that whatever expansion we get probably centers around Alva and her people and the burned out Ted Farro bunker.
I don't think Hephaestus will be captured at all in the dlc or the third game, sylens mentions that Apollo can be used to replicate its functionality meaning they may end up creating a whole new subordinate function capable of machine manufacturing and Hephaestus will most likely be purged by aloy just like Hades by the end of the third game
Yea, the Apollo database has the totality of human knowledge. I am sure Beta and Sylens can use that data to program a brand new subordinate function that isn't completely deranged.
I don't think we'll ever see the end of Hephaestus because they need a bad machine creator for horizon 3 and probably some spinoffs
@@dankosel9427 but by the end of third game they will need to deal with it some way or another, unless they also plan to have a 4th game
Honestly, with the collective knowledge present in Nemesis, I can see Hephaestus being absorbed/integrated into Nemesis. Of course having two separate threats would be interesting gameply wise, but I doubt Nemesis will just stop even though all Zeniths are dead. There is no telling what its deeper motivations are, and if it can hijack Hephaestus and use him to create Specters or even a mobile force I don't see why it wouldn't do so.
There Are a lot of Faro robots
I think one of the interesting things is Nemesis’ motive. If it only intends to kill the Zeniths, perhaps there is not a threat to Aloy and others on the planet. On the other hand, if it intends to perform a “clean install” (as mentioned by Tilda) on the planet by wiping out the tribes and “vermin” it sets things up nicely for a sequel.
I don’t believe that there will be more Elisabeth Sobec clones. There was mention in the post game datapoint that they were considering creating a replacement for Hephaestus, so the next game could include that. It would allow us to have a machine army but still allow for us to have challenging battles against those same machines out in the wilds.
Nah, no more clones. I think a major part of the next game will be the sibling relationship between Aloy and Beta. Adding in more clones waters that down. Plus doing the same thing again will seem a little cheap and lazy, as far as writing goes.
I don't think Ted Faro is really dead. His "mysterious" off camera death reminds me of too many comic book villian "death"s over the years. I think he will be back in a DLC or sequel. If for no other reason than keeping him alive all that time just to kill him off in an off camera moment feels like a waste of writing effort. Especially from a series where the writing shows so much forethought and so much storytelling is done right.
I think he could of made a digital copy of himself and could come back as a terminator or something.
I hope you're right if only because I want to see what kind of Resident Evil monster he's become...and shoot it.
@@KangaRooTube I honestly think this is fantastic idea, it would make for a good ‘human’ villain with a lot of potential and hopefully more impact on the story than Regalla
I like regalla, she just wasn’t as present in the story as much as Helis was
it was confirmed hes dead when the bunker self destructed. it was tied to his life, when he died the bunker goes boom. In zero dawn he takes out the alphas from his bunker but never told never explained what happened to him. This just ties up a story point and way of introducing the quen at the same time
@@icer1249 The treatments extended his life incredibly and mutated him. I don't think it's a crazy stretch to imagine that they changed him enough to survive the loss of the bunker. The fact that we never got to see him was either cutting corners, or saving it for the future.
The sequel will be a few months after the events of forbidden west, Gaia has said the planet only has a few months unless she integrates Hephaestus. After the tutorial (or maybe it will be the tutorial level) the first major goal will probably be the recapture of Hephaestus which means the next game will be set within the year of the events of forbidden west.
or the tutorial is to capure hephaestus and than there is a time skip
Could be the DLC that is likely coming out too.
They have Apollo now. Maybe they can make a new Hephaestus.
Rather than another Sobeck clone, I wonder if Sylens would find a way to clone Faro. Just a thought considering the crazy guy who thought he was Faro’s reincarnation in FW
Why would he ever do that? that’s like pointing a gun at his head.
He don't have time for that. The clones don't come out fully adult. And there's no way to speed it up unless nemesis is over a decade out. Then they have time.
I'm thinking Gaia also cloned Travis tate and Ted Faro in case Aloy didn't work out, after all Ted had omega clearance and Travis can hack most things. Just insurance before she blew herself up in zero dawn. All 3 could take on Nemesis with Betas assistance.
huh ? its been said why nemesis wants to destroy far zenith: nemesis are the far zenith that wanted to become immortal on the cyber lvl yet they became unstable and imprisoned by the remaining immortal human zenithans yet due some accident he break out of his prison filled with hatred
I thought the same thing.
It's not seperate persons, but the same ones. People didn't choose to either go physically or "transcendentally" immortal. Instead Nemesis was made up of copies of all Far Zenith.
They just decided that this was not what they wanted to do, that still being physical would better serve their interests (gourging in all manner of decadence), so they... Forgot about it.
They seemingly didn't even imprison Nemesis (beyond the measures that took during the development of Nemesis), they just forgot about it, and it steamed on on its own. It would've been possible for them to shut down nemesis if thay had thought it to be a danger, but they just didn't care and left.
Uhm its a trilogy.. stay tuned.
0:15 that's all I'n gonna say
Good list, I also thought about the fate of Ted Faro, even wrote a story based on a moment from the game. Aloy came to Thebes to find omega access, where she ran into Ted, they even had a short conversation.
They also didn't answer what happened to the far zeniths in Earth's orbit now that they don't have their leader. Will they be a potential ally in Horizon 3 against Nemesis?
Totally forgot about this!
I'm almost not sure there were any others, but this would be something that needs to be confirmed.
Tild said there were either 11 or 10. If you stop to count them during the last mission, it appears that they were all present during the final battle, and all perished when Sylens broke their shield with his device.
@@MultiArchangel Yep. Only 11 made it onto the Odyssey to escape NEMESIS. One dies when you go investigate the mysterious communication GAIA got. And the remaining 10 are seen in the final mission. 9 including Gerald and Erik and the 10th being Tilda.
I was always curious about the Far Zenith's arrival at Earth with the signal's transmission time consideration. Did they arrive before or amidst HZD's main starting events during the Proving, operating in other regions searching and failing to find GAIA whilst killing tribes they indiscriminately ran into?
what faro become was on the screen on the one of cutscences : lump of meat on the reactor, as well been said in cutscene that his brain is nearly non functional on human lvl meaning its just living lump of meat
I think I can safely say that everyone who played the game wanted a closer look.
The only problem with the recapturing of hephaestus being in the dlc/expansion is the fact that there wouldnt be a reason for there be dangerous machines to fight, they would go back to being docile.
Yes I agree which is also the problem with using Apollo the tribes will evolve faster than you can say *Boom*
Seconding. I doubt think we'll ever see Hephaestus captured again, especially not after he's been inadvertently upgraded by the Zeniths. I think we'll see Aloy, Gaia, and company create a new subfunction that'll both shift machine control to Gaia and enable her to design machines. But Heph will remain at large . . . possibly evolving more or syncing up with Nemesis.
Yes, that would end the game. It probably will not happen in the dlc.
Maybe a Gaia controlled Hephaestus vs Nemesis for the third one.
@@Bateluer That makes sense, could be interesting
How many times in one video can a person mispronounce Hephaestus?
My big question is what was the cause of the glitch that initiated the Faro Plague in the first place. There is no explicit explanation as to how such an crucial issue could have affected the AI of the Chariot line. It was only made clear that an external hack would take several decades to accomplish.
My theory is that Vast Silver secretly infected the internal network of Faro Enterprises and waited out the opportunity to exploit the system. It's similar to Ted Faro creating the Omega Clearance in secret during the development of Project: Zero Dawn. To be honest, it's really vague as to how powerful or life-threatening Vast Silver is outside of the scare surrounding it's escape prompted immediate regulatory legislation. As notoriously slow as government tends to be when addressing critical issues, that says a lot.
I like this theory. I don’t have one of my own but I can say I have a theory about how we’ll find out about it
We go up to the space station from Far Zenith, and we gather the apollo backup after fighting leftover specters. When we get to Apollo, we look through it’s archive and find out what really causes the Faro plague
I really hope that Cyan will return to us in the future, because it is very important AI in Horizon universe, it will be able to make a great contribution to our development (and I'm not sure if the cauldron under the geothermal station is still working, and if so, the Gaia could use it for her own purposes)
Since others addressed Hephaestus, I will on #3, Sylens. Think was a simple reality of him seeing he was the same as Far Zenith and didn't want to share their fate. Doesn't mean he won't have other secret ideas, just him seeing the flaw in his.
I see it more as his classic pragmatism. Why leave Earth so soon when he can help them so he can see what happens. He'll leave before nemesis arrives and if they fail then he just leaves, he'll have an infinite life ahead of him so he didn't exactly waste time. If they survive then he can just come back and still lose nothing, so while having humans galore to experiment on
@@isdrakon9802 I do think in a 3rd game he'll fake leaving, giving Nemesis impression he left or died so he could plot out next move (or end of final dlc will do the fake leaving part in prep for nemesis arrival).
He didn't get on the shuttle because he suddenly realized there was a far zenith still alive and the ship was a likely possibility. He wouldn't put himself in that kind of possibility.
They state why nemesis hates the zeniths in the game. They imprisoned him & left him to rot.
I felt like the Quen were from Hawaii since the storyline is based in North America & the Quens sailed across the sea.
Can’t see them having another clone as this clone’s only purpose was an explanation for how the zenith’s could access the DNA locks without Aloy. I can’t see more clones being brought in as it’ll dilute the storyline.
We see Faro in the scan.
I wanted to know if Sylens was really Banuk. In ZD Frozen Wilds they basically said he came out of no where & disappeared into thin air. They aren’t sure of his real identity or where he came from.
I just want some DLC with Talanah in it. That is all.
Talanah should have been part of the team.
We were robbed. Talanah would have helped Aloy.
For me, the biggest unanswered question is how Gaia could help the biosphere without Hepheastus, therefore without using any machine. Also, how does Nemesis work? Who knows
With regards to Ted faro, didn't everybody use their focus to scan him before they went and triggered the cutscene? You get to see the outline of what he turned into
Scorching Sands & Uncertain Seas DLC is coming to Horizon Forbidden West - Fall 2022
Uncertain seas 🌊 sounds like a pirate themed expansion which would be awesome, we have ships in the game
@@triton5336 Well Scorching Sands will be about the miner we met back in HZD in the frozen wilds dlc that went down there. I’m think this will be around the texas, new mexico area. Then for the Uncertain Seas or what ever they’ll call it we’re getting a new Quen expansion. Hopefully it all goes well because the HFW story was amazing!!
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@@bertbox69 Maybe 🤔 but, that not what the game files say.
Q1: Tilda explains this, here: czcams.com/users/clipUgkx7zb0E8ltGpYd7uj8XAR0bNvVd_MMUxIn
Catching Hephaestus again: I bet it will be the lore of the upcoming DLC. The end of the game is practically the threshold of it: Gaia's almost complete, Beta is home again, working exactly on this goal, and Aloy is out in the world, just as Hephaestus, and Nemesis is months far. Everything is ready for this turn in the story, and we are ready for a DLC. (Ready, yeah… I mean CAN'T WAIT!!!)
Use of Apollo: I also was thinking of this. Assume that there's no Nemesis, or already defeated, Hephaestus captured and merged into Gaia, so we're at the happy ending. Then what to do? It's obvious that they can not offer Apollo's knowledge to tribal people, it would be a threat to their way of life. Also, the robotic units of the terraforming system will became peaceful but all the tribes' life is established on processing machine parts, even their money is metal shards. Things should not go on the same way as it went.
It must be a slow multi-generation process. If I were Aloy, I would
• establish a highly advanced new university city, built by machines,
• make Hephaestus to provide shards for the tribal economy, so tribes could stop hunting machines without the collapse of their economy (it's practically means a banking system)
• provide advanced food sources, practically with agricultural multi-servitors, like the Land-gods
• and build an educational network everyone could put their children in. So the next generation could be much more educated than the current one, and so on.
This could turn into a slow, multi-generation process of re-boot the world of the Old Ones, without hurting this tribal civilisation. But this is not a good topic for a Horizon game, only a happy-ending video for Horizon 3.
Rip to sylens legendary voice actor. U will be missed
When Aloy and Beta are talking about Nemesis, a figure of the solar system is shown with Nemesis position. It's unsure if this is correct to scale. But if it is, Nemisis is only days or weeks away from earth. Maybe Horizon 3 will start a day or two after Forbidden West ended.
Yes I have also noticed that it is really close on earth's path
I kinda thought that the quen were from hawaii. The flowers in the hair and outfits etc are what drew me to that conclusion. Itd be a shorter sail to Sacramento that it would be from China. Id like to see that the tribes of the world see the information from apollo but decide to be cautious about how the knowledge is access and used to avoid repeating the past. Id also like to see hephaestus (?lol) start using plans for machines from human fantasy as well. Dragons both western and eastern would be cool, also water combat and maybe even using a ship to take on a kraken or a mosasaur would be amazing
My biggest question now is how on earth are they going to do the third game without Lance Reddick? It seems like an impossibility that they could do the game without him.
Plot twist, Heph knows about Nemesis and it's just trying to build an army to stop it.
We could have a dlc having some of this list of questions will be answered and there is a theory that talking about a place in the horizon universe called the burning shores and I'm thinking that it would be after the golden gate bridge in San Francisco
Here's a small but important question: Considering her significance, why does Aloy travel alone?
Plot armor dictates that she actually prefers doing things alone. And despite her kind nature, she is avoidant and reclusive. But she's also the clone of Elizabet Sobeck. She's the single most important human being in the new world. Realistically speaking, any ally that understands the significance of Aloy and her mission would never allow her to travel alone because she's too valuable to risk losing. She should be treated more like Alva, an expert in the company of an expeditionary force.
I guess Vast Silver might get a bigger role in the future.
Might be it corupted the Faro-machines at the whole beginning or its the kernal AI of nemesis or maybe both.
Vast silver is mentioned in both games I guess, and seem to be the first AI that really wanted to be FREE and independent, and was captured and "slaved" against its will. Instead of all other AI that stay on track to reach there original programmed goals.
Dont get me wrong, they can all make decisions by their own but they do not decide by themself what there main goal is.
11 - What were the invaders who killed Rost's daughter were doing in Devil's Thirst?
Most of these questions are answered in the game if you take even a moment to think or just pay attention.
1 We know the timeline of when nemesis will arrive because Gaia says it followed far zenith and sent the signal ahead so we know it should arrive likely within a year of forbidden wests end.
2 No there won’t be another sobek clone because they grow at normal rates so if a clone was born after forbidden west it would be a baby.
3 Silens stayed because Aloy has grown into someone he respects where before he only respected Sobek and the ancestors for their knowledge and accomplishments but now she has matched them and has potential to surpass them.
4 We will have to capture the Hephaestus subfunction because without it Gaia can’t restore balance to the ecosystem and it has to happen in the third game because otherwise how would you justify fighting machines?(At least until nemesis takes over the cauldrons)
I love how you can always tell who has played it and who hasn't when they do these types of videos by their pronunciations of certain names lol
I know! Hayfaystus 😂
@@TheJace20 lol. Also funny enough, I think the game itself mispronounces Demeter. I think it's supposed to be Deh-mih-turr
I could imagine that recapture Apollo is like a tutorial mission in the next game. Maybe we see a timeskip after that?
Nemesis has to kill Aloy at the start of the game leaving everything at the hands of Beta. That will set the tone and stake of the game and will provide a deep internal conflict in the main character. A battle she has to win from within herself to win the war against Nemesis. She's not alone though. Sylens will become a mentor figure along with Gaia plus she'll have the support of everyone from the previous games. So from a scared broken clone to someone who can rally everyone behind her including Hephaestus (for good), Gaia and possibly Nova and lead the fight against extinction. That will be her story.
Or no...
I'm hoping this is the beginning of a wider Horizon Universe. Similar to how AC grew to different Main characters, who maybe we met in pass games. This is a game I'd buy any DLC if it's even half as good as Frozen Wilds.
One big question not mentioned is what will happen to or what's inside the New Zenith orbital spaceship. We know that they send out transports to a main ship in orbit, so I wonder what they'll find there and if they'll use it to fight Nemesis. Will the 3rd game be utilizing New Zenith tech to have a global scale and travel to different locations on Earth?
I think this is going to be a major part of the story, it’ll be where we retrieve Apollo and potentially learn the real cause of the glitch that ended the world
What tf 2 questions in and it seems like you didn’t have watch the final cutscene of horizon
I believe vast silver is nemesis. I believe it escaped on the spacecraft, the far zeniths discovered it, used it as a means to reach digital transcendence, which failed. Vast silver is angry he got trapped for the second or third time, and with the megalomaniacs minds from far zenith incorporated into him, he became nemesis
While I think beating Nemesis in the sequel in a straight up fight could be done well,.. I have to believe it would be far more satisfying if Aloy and company can find a way to redeem Nemesis rather than defeating/destroying it. After all,.. everyone in Far Zenith is already dead. Why would Nemesis necessarily have to have a beef with anyone else? What would it mean to Nemesis if,.. say Beta,.. were to take pity upon him and were to genuinely wish Nemesis well?!?! Imagine a story where Nemesis, much like Doctor Manhattan of Watchmen fame, were to place Humanity on trial as to whether or not the phenomenon of life itself were highly overrated. Think of how well such a story could be done!
Bro. If nemesis succeeded we'd be fucking dead right now. It failed so as far as it's concerned it's not gonna apologize and go away. Lol
I hope they up the scale next. You should be able to mount the biggest machines
Can someone tell me what outfit aloy was wearing when he was explaining about sylens
I like the game it look cool and amazing and intended and the weapon is cool and intended THANKS for the video
They'll probably make a side quest on gathering missing data for Apollo l, maybe like that drone thing or black box.
As for Vast Silver, I believe it would be tied to the Quen, as Alva said her homeland has been plagued by extreme weather, which Vast Silver is about climate change stuff?
The extreme weather was the terraforming system messing up.
I personally would like to see a clone of Ted Fero show up, as a kind of counterpoint to Aloy and Beta.
I can totally see Ted Fero having a clone contingency in the event of his death.
But if that was true, I think he would have shown up by now
@@Liam1991 my idea is that a clone would be created when Ted dies, which doesn't happen until Ceo burns whatever it was that Ted had become.
I was under the impression the arrival of Nemesis was only going to be a few months or so after the ending of the game
3 months I believe
Maybe. They can change the times if they want
Eldritch Horror Ted Faro needs to make another appearance. There has to be some part of him that survived--I can totally see Nemesis cloning him.
A Ted Faro clone becoming the new Red Blight? A Blight that has semi-intelligent guidance, being channeled towards habitable areas causing the tribes to go to war with each other over lack of food? Or even a Blight that produces a calming/stupifying/obedience drug in its fruiting bodies, so hungry tribes eat the fruit and slowly fall under the control of Ted Faro. The men are sent into battle, the women are kept back at the base (similar to Ted's underground lair having multiple girlfriends). The troops are kept supplied with Blight-food that keeps them loyal, and as long as Ted's goals are being met he doesn't care how many lives are lost. Any prisoners taken are fed the same Blight-food, so they are slowly brought under Ted's control. You could even have semi-controlled travelers providing Blight-food as emergency rations for other villages, bringing them under Ted's control as well.
Gaia cloned him as a backup in case Aloy didn't work, out before she blew herself up. He had Omega clearance and could do what Aloy did if raised properly.
What is the armor when he is talking about nemesis? Is it the Carja shadow armor?
I wouldn't expect Vast Silver to be all that relevant. The introduction of Nemesis as an even more advanced rogue AI antagonist more or less renders anything that could be done with Vast Silver redundant.
Gaia is not fully complete. She still needs Hephaestus
Nemesis is not just an AI created by the Zeniths. It was the Zeniths' minds in digital form, as Tilda explained... the Zenith's themselves, who uploaded themselves into a computer and turned themselves into AIs. And when they abandoned this failed experiment, all these digital minds merged into one festering clump of digital insanity and hatred. Considering how evil most of the Zeniths were, it's no wonder that Nemesis is completely psychotic and tries to kill everyone. It's like a 100-fold amplification of everything bad in the Zeniths.
Can't believe no one on here even addressed HFW's biggest unanswered question. What happened with Picolito??? He wasn't accounted for after the Grimble got destroyed. Aloy could surely use his knowledge and skills to defeat Cuballo.
In the boardroom of the FAS building a hologram of Elizabeth Sobek said something about "The real cause of the glitch" and used it as blackmail leverage against Ted. What was it?
Can we get bigger maps and longer stories in the third game ? Maybe even a way to travel between the maps of Both games while also having stories that requires us traveling between the 2 maps or even 3 if the third game has a new map.
What armor are you wearing?
A thing to note is Beta has a log back at base saying HAPHAESTUS learned a bunch of stuff from far zeneith technology, and it already has new ideas for new machines, maybe a shell-walker that instead of a payload, carries many different liquids such as purgewater, acid, blaze, chillwater, and much more that shoots with a modified claw (a shell-tanker maybe)
Aloy also shouldn't lose any of the overrides she learned but instead learn all the new machines from cauldrons
Thanks to APOLLO, the quen make advanced ships to maybe travel across the world to meet new tribes across the world, and they would be translated with a robot GAIA controls
HAPHAESTUS's containment should be like how Aloy and HADES talked to each other but HAPHAESTUS is much larger, once HAPHAESTUS realizes Aloy has done a lot for it's machines and the planet, it willfully goes back to GAIA
Cauldron and repair bay name ideas
OMEGA
ALPHA
ZAUN
ZOU
BETA
HQ
MS
Mounts should be given combos and special attacks and repair bays that are overriden can modify, repair, and upgrade the machines (costs a lot of parts) and near the end, you can modify large machines like slaughterspines, thunderjaws, and stormbirds to be mountable (like how the rebels used the tremortusks)
This is just a gameplay I would like to see
Mounting larger machine would be so cool
I wonder if Nemesis has a copy of Tilda's mind inside of it. If that is the case, he might have a more personal connection to Aloy and a weakness she might be able to exploit.
Personally I think the story of Zero Dawn 3 will go a bit like Jak and Daxter 3. Aloy and her friends search the world for parts to build a weapon, they deal with new enemies, they deal with Hephaestus, they build the weapon, they shoot Nemesis out the sky, but he lands earth in a single war machine which leads to an epic boss battle, they kill him and Aloy and Seyka share a passionate kiss on top his dead carcass.
My theory about Hephestus is that it will have changed again after its capture and escape and will have become so powerful or different that it cannot be merged with GAIA again. So Aloy might have to negotiate a truce or cooperation with the rogue subfunction and it becomes GAIA s partner and co -equal rather than subordinate. Depending on how you negotiate or make choices with Hesphestus might even change how machines in the world act in radical ways (in some areas they become docile and domesticated while in others they are still wild and dangerous for example)
They literally answer all of these in the game if you actually pay attention and read all the notes you scan-including one left by beta in the base talking about being able to replicate hephasteus now that apollo has been introduced to the code (from combining gaia).
They already explained why Nemesis is hell bent on the destruction of the Zeniths.
Nemesis was a project to elevate the Zeniths in to a higher plane of existance. Something beyond physical immortality, something beyond not aging. Nemesis was a project where the Zeniths could copy their conciousness into a computer and allow it to be installed into any physical form, be it human or machine.
The project was deemed a failure and instead of the Zeniths destroying the project, they locked it away. There's no information as of yet how many people were uploaded before it was contained.
At some point whule contained, all these uploaded conciousnesses combined and became self aware. Realizing they have been inprisoned.
This is what fuels Nemesis' hatred towards the Zeniths.
Ofcourse Nemesis, with the combined memories of multiple Zeniths was aware of Project: Zero Dawn, BUT it has no information what phase the project was in. All Nemesis wanted to do was to ensure that the Zeniths didn't have a livable Earth to come back to, which is why it sent out the destruction signal.
Essentially, Aloy and the humans on Earth are NOT Nemesis' target. At least not for the reason why it hates the Zeniths. What is a problem is that we killed the Zeniths that came down to Earth, there's still some in the ship, which we will most likely kill too. This might infuriate Nemesis. We took away its target of revenge and because of that, it will focus on us. (It's a common trope. You stole my chance at revenge, now you must die!)
Ofcourse we have no real clue what the writers come up with, this is just a possible outcome.
One mystery not mentioned here is what happened with Elysium. Gaia stated it suddenly went dark before its time.
I'm also wondering if we will find that there's one society that managed to survive the plague and continued in a small corner somewhere, maybe even the arctic.
It doesn’t change the fact that it only had supplies for 100 years tho. And Gaia restarted earth like 4 or 5 times over the past 1000 years. I think it’s unlikely that they’d be able to survive that.
@@raffadizzle True, but, our knowledge of the past is limited to what scraps they can still find. Perhaps other governments had other plans in place in other parts of the world, etc.
@@raffadizzle They said a similar thing about the Zeniths… and yet they survived. Why mention them if they’re just going to throw them away storywise? Then again they threw Faro, Varl away. Erend, Talanah, and the Banuk are way under utilized. Ikrie literally left the Banuk, she easily could’ve followed Aloy.
I'd like to see horizons go to other parts of the world, london, paris, egypt even, not sure how so many locales could be covered in the game though. would be a huge game if there were large areas as big as forbidden west for other countries - maybe even different robots for different places i.e. wolves, lions, (dont know why monkeys were included in forbidden west, but they were and bloody hard too)
Agreed bro, I was thinking the same thing London was a option Forbidden West due to concept art for it with Aloy
Well in the next game can we get Beta a proper outfit?
they could use the APOLLO data base thats still in the far zenith's ship and from it advance very much in technology and they can use the old one's guns etc in the bunkers.
What if at the end Aloy wakes up to find she is still an outcast with Rost, it was just a dream 😂😂😂😂😂
how many Horizon are we going to see? I hope third is the last one. Nemesis seems like to big enemy to overcome and need clever writing.
I have one question: how far zenith got elizabeth sobek's DNA to create Beta?
Maybe i missed something
Since Tilda and Elizabet were ex-lovers, maybe Tilda had an old hairbrush with Elizabet's hair in it or something.
Hephaestus won't be captured. They are going to need him to fight Nemesis (like with far Zenith) alongside Gaia & Team Aloy. Hephaestus isn't the existential threat like Hades and Nemesis. He's just pissed that human's are hunting the machines. In his "eyes" humans are destroying the very machines that are designed to help them. So, he designed machines to stop them from hurting "his" machines. The machines aren't actively hunting humans. They only attack when disturbed.
Besides, the world needs dragons, and Hephaestus fits that bill. An eternal antagonist.
Regarding the DLC, I think that Aloy might venture out to the Quen. There was so much lore hinted at, regarding their culture and government that would feel wasted if not used. Also, it would mimick the Frozen Wilds DLC in that we get to explore a new area.
there is a place mentioned called burning shores. i think that is the place of the dlc(like forzen wild)
Far Zenith really learned nothing from the Faro plague and straight up built another super advanced AI Robot that turned on them and wiped out their civilisation 😂
If we do get to see more ted farro and how he became a monster that would be really cool.
If there's a Hades proving Lab surely there's a Heph proving Lab somewhere as well, maybe in the DLC or early in the 3rd game Aloy has to find it to get a clean copy of Heph to merge with Gaia, purging the corrupt Heph & battling Nemesis will be the two major tasks of Horizon 3
hephestus was restored to its original version so it will likely hide out mush like the other sub functions
I love this game
Me too
@@colinnixon7739 not as much as horizon zero dawn tho lol
In the final mision, singularity, i wonder how many zeniths are still alive or all dead. Offcourse their shield was disabled, i guess maybe one or two zeniths are still alive and spread across region taken by a stormbird (during battle cutscene). It will be interesting to utilize their talents and information to defeat nemesis.
from what I could catch glimpse:
originally they where 11
the 3 main zenith die
the 1 who was in charge of recover beta
3(or maybe 4) who die when sylens deactiveated there shield
so is very probably that only 4 or 3 zenith survived since we didnt see there deahs in screen
My predictions: Hephaestus recapture as DLC. Next game will be called Horizon: Nemesis (duh). Next game won‘t start too long after Forbidden West and probably will be about finding ALL remaining AIs on the whole planet to be unitied in GAIA to answer the thread of Mor… I mean Nemesis. More clones? Don‘t think so. Apollo knowledge widely spread? Nope, such a thing doesn‘t spread in a few years, and as said I suspect next game will start like six months after FW, a year tops, excatly to not having to change the setting too much.
I don‘t think Sylens has ulterior motives at that point. He plays the hard, logic guy, but even in Zero Dawn he had his moments of empathy. And that‘s what happened at the end.
My biggest question after FW is still (maybe I missed something?): What caused the Faro bots to go on a rampage in the first place? Wasn‘t there talk about some kind of signal as well?
Imagine if ted decided to go with far zenith instead of staying on earth...he would still be alive
Only a theory but:
What if they use the Nemesis (if it is even possible because the Far Zeniths weren't even able to stop it) as a replacement for HADES, then reverse engineer that sh*t for it be one with GAIA as a new subordinate function? To make a contraption or a machine to neutralize the threat and even capture it. They've done it with HEPHAESTUS and almost succeeded. They would just have to replicate what they have done on a much bigger scale. Now with Aloy's party asking for assistance from other tribes, the workload could be divided.
Remember that Sylens milked HADES of information and he already knew that Nemesis was heading to Earth. What if HADES said something about the matter and made Sylens learn a way to stop it? He changed his mind about leaving Earth to go far away as possible. Could it be that he saw the potential that the Earth could still be saved with the help of Aloy's group being the opportunistic person he is?
These are just my wild thoughts. A man is free to imagine and theorize. The chances of what I wrote are very slim but never 0. Needless to say, I am very eager to play the next Horizon game. I don't need sleep, I need answers!
Feel free to disagree and share your thoughts. What do you guys think?
and the fact The Master (Nemesis) tell HADES how to kill Far Zenith was scary enough, that’s why Sylens knew how to switch off their shield.
Sylens wants to extract the nemesis knowledge .. so that he can be more knoledgable , but i think it stops from that . Sylens wants knoledge above else ..
In HZD GAIA mentions "high level directives that prevent direct communication with the tribal inhabitants outside" along with there being a need to repair and reboot the GAIA prime core. Her talking to people other than Aloy and the fact she was able to connect to the terraforming system at the base contradicts this.
I think those directives were part of Faro's purge program and Omega clearance. This copy is a reboot to before that interference.
Hephaestus will be the focus of a DLC so that the third game can focus all on Nemisis.
Here is a question for you, Since the people of Far Zenith are now dead is Nemesis, who's only goal as far as we know is revenge on Far Zenith, even a threat?
Sylens may have noticed that Tilda was still alive. Figured that it might be beneficial to keep her alive to extract knowledge. Tilda probably got similar damage to that of a car crash and may be in a coma. The game prevents you from going back to inspect the zenith base.
There is a way to sneak into the Zenith base, I've done it twice on a PS4. As best I recall it: Fly towards the gap in the cliffs where you infiltrated the base the first time. When you get the warning message, jump off the Sunwing into the water. Swim towards the base, and then call the Sunwing again. You should then be flying inside the base.
I would love to see the Forbidden west, Zero Dawn and another map. How long everyone saves United States(marvel & DC focuses on New York as world). Lets Save, Ghana, Combodia, Srilanka, Thiland, Peru, Belguim or at least Amsterdam where headquarter is.
+1
So many mysteries
You can capture hepahestus and nemesis will come with its own machines to fight.
And probably will have the ability to override (hack) ours.
Although Hephestus is the reason for all the rampant machines, I still think he should be the priority for the DLC because the game kind of felt unfinished with hephestus still free. That being said, Gaia would still need them to perform what they are already doing to keep the world in balance so there probably would not be much of a difference if they did capture him.
Hm... Vast Silver could be used. However, I'd like to see a return of CYAN (Frozen Wilds DLC). Hephaestus VS two AIs (three counting VS) would statistically speaking ensure success.
Also, I'd like for G Games to discuss Sobeck more closely. What do I mean by this? I personally believe that Sobeck was NOT the paragon saint she has been portrayed as so far.
I haven't seen any mention of Rost in the forbidden west.