The Shadow Judges | Fable Lore
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- Oakvale was once the most treasured hamlet in Albion. That was until Reaver made a deal with the mysterious Shadow Judges. Who are they and what do they want? I went to Albion to find out.
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00:00 Intro
00:50 The Lore
06:46 The Theory: Theresa Destroyed Oakvale
14:10 Outro
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All I’m saying is that we have never actualy seen the body of The Hero of Oakvale and if Theresa and Scythe can be immortal………
I wonder if someday we'll see him again
If the Hero of Oakvale kept the sword and killed Theresa, hypothetically he could live however long he wanted as long he kept the sword with him because the sword has regenerative augmentation.
@@juanjosemendivil1626I believe it’s confirmed the Hero of Oakvale saved his sister and threw the sword into the vortex.
@@Golfbob Tis true, but then there was the Blade of Avo, and it carried the same exact properties as the Sword of Aeons. So he could still technically generate life force.
See this is what I thought fable 2 would be. Following the son of the first fable hero (or daughter) and you'd see the hero of oalvale eventually.
Fable 2 was fun though not bashing it.
Me: Starts to type a question.
Video: We were told it was reused assets
Me: This legend knows my questions before I type them.
I knew it'd come up. I'm also prophetic...
Also, what if Theresa alerted Lucien to Hammer's location so that she would have to break her oath and fight? Theresa even says that she "doesn't need a pacifist monk"
I thought this was lore. I always assumed that.
I also assumed that
I don't think so. with the Spire he could have gleened the info based on Rumor and his own information network. Theresa mainly focused on the Hero of Oakfield. plus all of Theresa's manipulations involved choices unlike say Jack of Blades, Lucien or Logan.
What if the shadow Court is related to are even the blades in a weaker form
I always held to a theory like this. That Theresa was the ultimate villain in the Fable verse.
I truly believe she is the true villain
@@Skyrionnhow could she be the true villain when she helped Gabriel defeat the corruption in Fable Journeys ? Please do a video on why you think she’s the true villain because if that was so wouldn’t we of fought her at the end of Journey’s ? She sacrificed herself
@@windingroadelven that's how you play chess
I would not put ANYTHING past Theresa. She has shown in the past that peoples lives mean nothing to her, so long as she gets what she seeks, and I don't see Oakvale as being any different.
What I'm curious about, is Reaver's actual place in things. Given that he is from Oakvale, and is a hero, is it possible that he might actually be another descendant of the Hero of Oakvale?
So I was thinking and I know it's a longshot, but is it possible the Shadow Court Is somehow related to The Court that William Black fought against? I know he killed the Knight and Queen, then later The Hero of Oakvale killed Jack. So is it possible they weren't killed completely? Maybe just there masks were destroyed so they have no way of appearing in the world physically. It's not much to go on, but one female and 2 males similar to the Court of old. They even call themselves the Shadow Court. Might even be why they wanted to destroy Oakvale, not only one but 2 heros that beat them were born there.
That what I was thinking that the shadow court was a remnants of the court and trying to get enough will so they can come back
That is a really good theory
That's what I thought too, but surely Theresa would've foreseen that happening? I mean, not only is the Knight and Queen trying to come back but also Jack who is the reason she went blind and her entire life (the lives of her entire family) fell apart. But given who Theresa is (someone with good intentions but went the wrong way in getting said intentions done) and what she's done until now, she could've maybe ignored them enough to ensure she had Reaver to combat Lucien and planned to deal with them in a later time which never came thanks to the Darkness spreading?
@@therambler8721 That would make alot sense. She probably saw that Reaver wouldn't exist if she delt with them. They hold the key to his long life and he's a major player in Fable 2 and 3. She gained access to the spires power and her sight was better than ever so she probably saw that Reaver was needed in Fable 3 so the Shadow Court was needed to keep him alive. After the events of Fable 3 and the Hero of Brightwall's disappearance the darkness begins to spread and Theresa had much bigger problems on her hands. If they are the actual Court I'm sure Theresa would want to deal with them but it's possible she realized despite their evil they were necessary for everything to play out how she wanted. Although a sequel were we have to deal with the Court would have been really cool honestly. Maybe we see Scythe come back with Rose and train our character to face the Court like he did so many years ago.
I was thinking this
Thanks for keeping Fable alive while we anxiously await for the next installment 😩
I do try. There are other Fable creators too :) The Fable Historian and Avarice are doing a great job.
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I always thought it was super weird that oakvale had an anti-hero league in the first place. Especially since it seems to be Canon that the hero of oakvale destroyed the sword you'd think that they would have positive memories of heroes
Twiblade and maze made a bad impression for shure
@@hugoeliseu9750 I have to wonder though how many people would have even known about maze's betrayal and how public that would have been. That almost seems like one of those things they would try to cover up in the name of the greater good. But who knows maybe they covered it up and it backfired and came out years later from some scrap of paper somewhere
Well, sure, they might have loved their Hero, but he was long gone by that time.
The remaining heroes all became arrogant and cruel and oppressed the people.
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I believe Theresa has met them in a realm to where she may be able to travel to, like William was able to travel to the void. But I don't think she used their services for youth up to Fable 3. She looks like a cadaver without much mobility up until that point (like a mummy or scythe). I would even go as far has to imagine the shadows using theresas image to play mind tricks on the Hero and show how they can meld into anything and "always be watching". like saying not even your seeress is out of our reach. I believe they will never be a true enemy, they will always be in the shadows, unknown and without a true form.
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Im pretty sure the theory about theresa being connected to shadowcourt could hold some weight, just not in this way, as you put it, theres alot of coincidences going on in a game known for none.
I imagine they wouldve looked like the stone statues in the balverine crypt, who still have no real connection to the game other then vague theories about their connection to the old kingdom/even older beings like the shadow court, they look very out of place, especially with the hidden faces, the claw like hands, and the chains and sword, you can find them on the pillars where hanna has to knock over one to get over the spike pit, they also resemble banshees to a degree, so maybe the banshees are also connected?
Ive legit been wanting to find out about what that crypt even was or who couldve made it, since it doesnt seem to follow the old kingdom look of architecture exactly, and seems a bit more modern when fable 2 happens.
Same with the mysterious out of bounds message in the hero hall caverns, but thats a story for a different time.
Another great video, mate! There's a lot of Fable 2 and 3 Lore that I would never have known about, if it wasn't for your research and amazing presentation skills. Keep it up :)
Thanks buddy! I feel like I have covered a ton of Fable 1, so it's time to get back to the later games. Still interesting lore
subscribed!! i am absolutely IN LOVE with your fable lore and theories videos! I'm so lucky i came across this channel! and so glad that there are still people out there enjoying the fable series
It honestly never occurred to me that there was a possible connection between the necropolis and Shadow Court. It might explain the shadows that are present in Fable 2. Though I wonder were the primordial shadows and creatures like the Crawler fit into all of this?
When I get around the making a shadows video, hopefully we can figure it out!
Something I recently have been thinking is; it is stated that William fought the trio but jack survived because he had a mask with his essence, is it possible that the king and queen had a similar idea that has been lost or never found, we know we have only been to a small portion of the world of fable and we know jack can’t do anything until someone finds his mask is it possible or was it confirmed that they are gone
Side note is there anything she did not cause after 1
I believe it is possible.
I think the Shadow Court is merely another group of demons from the Void like The Court. Perhaps they’re even the remains of the Court left behind in the Void when Jack, the Queen, and the Knight went to Albion. Or just a standard evil demon group that makes deals for sacrifices. They could even be demons born out of the destruction of Jack’s mask. Or maybe even echoes of The Court, 1 woman 2 men. But I think that’s a stretch.
Being in Oakvale might be coincidence, but I think Oakvale is special. The strongest bloodline came from there and Reaver was born there. It may just be a significant village events were drawn to. Like Tatooine in Star Wars. It’s strong in Will.
I don’t think Theresa is evil, just… gray. She is a hero of the most powerful bloodline in Albion, she is also a hero blessed with sight. She may have felt a calling to take the Spire and use it to amplify her powers to protect Albion. She did a lot of bad things to do this, but Reaver would have reproduced even if he never became immortal, so a new Skill Hero would have been born. We also don’t know when she learned of the Spire, it could have been before Reaver’s deal or after.
I think I agree. I believe the Shadow entities came from The Void, and it makes sense with how powerful they appear to be.
With Theresa, she does blur the lines. Similar to that of a Grey Jedi, or Kreia from KOTOR. It's just down to your perception on where that is good, questionable or evil.
Reaver keeps asking me to create an electric sword for him, but I keep telling him it wouldn’t fit into the Fable Lore very well and politely turn him down.
Another great video, nice to see you're keeping the good content up 😁
Thanks Xander! Still going strong :D
Great video Sky!
Thanks buddy!
nice content and a banging video bruv
so happy ur doing a lore video on the shadow court
Is the narrating better in this one?
The quality of these videos is top notch I love it
Thank you! There's more to come!
Love your fable theories and explanations cant wait for your next viedio
There's more to come!
Gotta say getting the slideshow screnes is good and nostelgic even tho I didn't complete fable 2 not to long ago
Theresa could have been a villain, might have even been planned to be one, but the devs seem to have changed their minds about that (possibly/probably more than once). My theory would have been, if she had survived and they had any interest in exploring the old lore in new games:
Theresa was sacrificed to the sword of aeons and the Theresa we encounter later is the shadow/soul of the queen of blades wearing a Theresa suit. Imagine realizing that after handing her the spire.
Another theory is that jack of blades introduced the queen of blades’ soul into Theresa when he blinded her (remember Walter was blinded in Fable 3 when possessed by the crawler). It seemed weird to me that he just left her there after that. Wasn’t she really, really important?
Could have been interesting if her villainous behavior had actually went somewhere logical. But forget that, she died a hero, derp. Can’t wait for the next retcon/reboot.
So if she's against oakvale I understand that that'd be because of what happened to her brother I'm guessing because of the guild?
Honestly Theresa destroying her home would make sense but to destroy that many lives, but then when has that stopped her.
It seems to make sense to me
Maybe her part of the deal was she use her will abilities to help the shadow court stay in her realm. Just a thought. Love the fable videos. Keep it up.
Good thought! Thank you. Will do :D
Omg. I never compared those two instances as anything related at all. Great awareness.
It just takes hours and hours of playing the games. I hope you enjoyed the video!
So the Knight, Jack and Queen of Blades are named after Tarot cards. That leaves the Ace and numbers 2-10 and the King unaccounted for. I think the Shadow Court are lowers numbers of the Blades, less powerful than KJQ so unable to challenge the world but still holding power. I think they were also responsible for the deaths in the Necropolis. The sword of Aeons itself is the Ace of swords, itself powerful, sentient and able to make deals but having to be wielded by a user of great power.
Once while playing 'Fable 2', I viewed the ruins of Oakvale with the volume muted and played the intro theme for The Shining(Jack Nicholson)on my phone. The sound of the Dies Irae and the screaming ghosts gave it a disturbing vibe.
Oh Jesus - that sounds intense. May give it a go
Reaver was born 50 years after Fable 1, so I don’t know where he got the 300 years part from. Reaver is exactly 501 years old by the end of Fable 3, and Theresa is over 600 years old, thus there’s no way she studied for 300 years in a 50 year span that’s not how time or math works.
Great video as always.
I also agree with the Necropolis being the Shadow Courts doing, even though Dene Carter said it wasn't (but he prefers the lore & universe of Fable to be a bit more esoteric and lovecraftian, whilst we prefer it to make a bit more sense!).
I don't think Theresa had anything to do with the Destruction of Oakvale, because she is ultimately on the side of good and that would have been too much, even for her and her ends justify the means mindset.
Thanks my guy - I did read that Dene had said he was against that theory, but I like to connect dots. I'll always be sure to leave it as a mystery too so it isn't set in stone.
I'm extremely conflicted on Theresa's agenda - maybe I'll change my mind in the future. Thanks for watching as always
Theresa’s “eyes” in Fable 2 aren’t actually eyes they are pure willpower she uses to make people less unnerved when looking at her
Do you think the Judges and the Crawler could have a connection?
Both of them control shadow minions and, what I find more interesting.....seem to have the same symbol.
In the Shadow Court and Shadelight you can find blue and gold banners that appear nowhere else in the game.
Even the Temple of Shadows in Rookridge has different banners, and they are all about worshipping Darkness.
I Want These Guys To Return.
I'd also like to see a return
I actually like a lot of this theory.
Thanks my dude
I think that she uses a vessel through the shadow court
If ur evil with high primal in fable 3 u get white eyes like that too
2 things.
1. In fable 2 Hannah asks how she can read. Theresa says that she "can see other worlds then this one". And its discussed that in other worlds she can see.
So it would be possible Theresa saw them rather the just stumbled upon them. Thus not needing to make a deal in the first place before guiding Rever to make a deal with them.
2. I thought it was the blood of heros that extended their life. I think one of the lore tid bits on loading screens explaind that heros of old would live for centuries if not murdered.
So in terms of Theresas long life compared to modern heros with shorter lives. It could be the genetic trait of long life has slowly diluted and become less effective due to an older heritage or line of heros having children with regular mortals.
Thanks so much! One day my guy!
I think it would be cool if the new fable took place before fable 1 and that you can see hero’s like maze and scarlet robe in there prime and maybe even see a baby Theresa and maybe even something with jack of blades blades past
and revisit the guild and Greatwood, or maybe an earlier version of silverpines or Driftwood
Are the shadow judges and the crawler part of the same shadow group or is crawler a different shadow entity?
Good question.
I don't think Theresa caused the massacre of Oakvale in between Fable and Fable 2. as unlike Garth or Hammer Theresa holds no fondness for Reaver. if you check on her mannerisms she humors the flailings of ideas from Hammer or Garth but whenever Reaver speaks Theresa really doesn't want to deal with him. it fits better because Reaver would have caused the destruction of Oakvale. it's also a dark reflection as While Theresa gained Immortality through her study of will Reaver threw away the lives of Oakvale and more people just to stay young.
Never thought of Theresa as evil!
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Thank you!
For me to accept an offer from the Shadow Judges, it would all depend on what the cost is. The life of all HUMANS in my city? Done. No issue there. However, if it was say my Cats, no deal. I'd find a way to end them if they even thought that was a reasonable price.
What if the new fable takes place in the old kingdom and we play as the archon himself
I'd love that
what is the outro music for this video???
There would have been another hero of skill. This is why the seal turns red in the castle. Rose was the hero of will. Lucian already had one hero of will he didn’t need another. It would risk his plans. I like to think reaver is Alice with no Theresa. She can’t be responsible for everything…..
Is it just me or is that Theresa's silhouette as the main shadow judge?
Is the knight jack and queen connected to the shadow Court 🤔
Nostro I would love
I wonder if the Shadow Court and the Court (Jack of Blades, Knight of Blades, Queen of Blades) are of the same species, or how they compare in power. The Shadow Court is obviously quite powerful and likely demonic (like the Court(, and looks to be stronger than your typical mage. Howerver, I don't see any reason to believe they are more powerful than Jack of Blades, seeing how they haven't even come close to conquering Oblivion.
Wait there's a new fable game coming???
Yeah ☺ it was announced a while back!
The theory about Theresa having a hand in its downfall seems a bit too stretched to me. I get the feeling that, reaver being who he is, would have done the exact opposite of what he was told to do. Idk, maybe he was different 200 years back but I don’t see him as the type to have listened to anyone and would do the exact opposite of what he is told, even in his younger days.
Damm reused assets, that's disappointing. Could have meant such interesting things.
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I don't know about the last part with Theresa, I remember reading on Lion Head's website for Fable 2 that it's not the same one from the first game. They stayed this on the website because they didn't want to make people feel like their final choice in Fable 1 wasn't legitimate.
Huh? No that’s Theresa from the first game.
Why is this in The Lore Behind the Half-Life & Portal Universe playlist tho :/
Whoops! Updated :D
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The new gen pt2 2 game out and ark 2 is coming in 2022
Reaver is very selfish
He is - still kind of lovable though
@@Skyrionn yea
Fun fact Theresa is immortal due to her willpower alone, Scythe is immortal because he no longer has a soul since he gave it to the Sword of Aeons, and Reaver is a piece of crap who nobody in their right mind likes.
Too far out there
You win some, you loose some :) Maybe next time!
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In my mind canon, the Court of Blades and Shadow Court are one in the same. Just makes sense.