CONTROL PROBLEMS OVER NEW YORK | Emergency Divert to Kennedy
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- čas přidán 19. 05. 2023
- 11/MAY/2023
Endeavor CRJ9 performing flight from LaGuardia to Savannah was on the initial climb when the pilots were struggling to maintain headings declaring an emergency due to navigation problems and would need to divert to JFK.
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I want that lady to be my Captain everyday
Interesting how the tone of the controller changed when they realised it's an airplane issue vs pilot deviation. I could almost hear the "possible pilot deviation" ready to go out...
When ATC asks "Do you want to declare an emergency" that's generally a good indication that you have one.
Female pilot sounded very polite and gave very detailed communication. So detailed that sometimes I though it's too many details :D
Way too much talking going on by the crew. Way too many thank you's. Less is more! The female pilot needs to get a new headset or move the microphone closer to her mouth. It appears this crew does not have a complete understanding of the systems on the CRJ 900. This is the second Endeavor crew taking off from LGA with a compass problem. If they would've put a fix into the FMS, the the aircraft would go directly to that fix. Now if both FMS'S are deferred thats a different problem.
All 3 gyro sources are showing something different? That's interesting. The compass too?? Yikes.
female pilot was very clear in comms, but definitely needs to learn to be more concise. Definitely not an english language native so seems like she's speaking as she's learned the language - very full and complete sentences.
Same happened to me years ago piloting a CRJ200. A few minutes into the cruise portion of the flight, the Auto-Pilot disconnected and I saw my navigation compass display spinning wildly on it's own. After several seconds of initial troubleshooting, I looked down to see the jumpseating pilot resting his foot on "Compass Slew" toggle switch on the center pedestal. I immediately told him to removed his foot from the pedestal. I slewed the compass back to normal and everything was fine after that. Fun times.
That woman pilot on the Endeavor plane is very skilled with her communications and also bright and patient. Kennedy is perhaps the busiest airport in the world. She was able to quickly explain that they had no idea what the problem was in a way that the controller understood. If somone was ham-handed on the radio in that situation, the controller would have gotten irritated, and things would go downhill fast.
I've had this happen 10 years ago on a CRJ-700 departing out of LGA runway 13 before. On the CRJ I flew we had to change the source for the directional gyro prior to takeoff from that runway because the runway sits on so much steal that it affects the magnetic variation on the navigation system on the airplane. Once you're airborne and wings level, you switch it back to the original DG source and reference it to the magnetic compass to make sure it's showing matching headings. I'm assuming this or something similar is what happened in this case as well.
Maybe it’s my imagination but over the last year we seem to be having a surge of inexcusable maintenance problems on passenger jets.
I really appreciate how despite some initial possible irritation or confusion everybody soon got on the same page and pulled together. Top marks.
Pro tip:
Never ceases to amaze me how calm and professional everybody is.
ATC went from wanting to ream them to very helpful real quick!
Very professionally done by both of the JFK controllers and both Endeavor pilots, and this from a retired United 767 captain who was based at based at JFK for 14 years. This is how pilots and controllers are supposed to work together, as a team. I already expected the professionalism from the JFK controllers, the best I have ever worked with and I was based at O'Hare for 15 years. However, I must say those ORD controllers come in a very close second best. But kudos, to the Endeavor crew too.
Both controllers were so helpful. Even after the transfer to jfk, the 2nd controller was quickly ready to do the verbal start/stop turn. Busy airspace, but they got the help they needed.
To all of you bashing the pilots. Let me just tell you one thing. The magnetic compas is a pain in the ass to work with ok. There are limitations and errors which we have to deal with, yet in such a high workload environment which these pilots were on. I find it MUCH easier to simply have a controller tell me what to do and when to turn, instead of having all my attention put into a compas which will likely not even place me on the exact heading either way.
Sometimes ATC controllers are just what you need and some are the best in the business.
Always get reminded of the Astana 'give us a heading to the sea' 😮