Train Simulator Classic: ATS Class 745 FLIRT EMU Pack | First Look
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- čas přidán 22. 04. 2024
- Heading down the Great Eastern Mainline is the Class 745. These have been running Intercity & Stansted Express service since 2019.
The Stadler Class 745 FLIRT are electric multiple unit passenger trains. they are built by Stadler and form part of the FLIRT family. The 745 is built for Greater Anglia for use on their inter-city services and the Stansted Express services. After construction between 2018 and 2020 in Switzerland they entered service on 8 January 2020.
Alan Thomson Simulation and AND Games are very proud to present the Class 745 for Train Simulator Classic. These have been designed and built to be ‘study level’ additions to the simulator and offer the best immersion possible. The build process was assisted and supervised by real life train drivers who drive the units in reality and we have done everything possible to recreate them as true to life possible.
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I like your honesty when checking out locos. I don't know why I watched this video, because as this costs £40 I won't be having it. I just like watching videos I guess 😂.
At the end of the day you have to be honest, there is no point showing something and glossing over things that need fixing that are evident. At the end of the day its an enjoyable unit to drive, i understand its not for everyone with the pricing and that's totally fair.
I'm afraid as soon as I see ATS anything I just kinda lose interest, just don't trust the site or anything from it so the price isn't the main issue for me ,more lack of trustworthiness
Totally fair opinion to have mate.
It looks nice and I think it drives well too. Only the price is way too high and I won't pay for it.
Personally i agree the price is going to scare far too many people off. Especially those who were on the post anyway, they certainly will of fallen off it without a trace now.
@@TrainSim_TV We cant say the price is too high to ATS though they dont like it and cant take criticism. Surely if the price was lower, they'd sell more.
Everyone is allowed an opinion, criticism and feedback should be taken on board and not dismissed unless its been done in a non constructive manor in my opinion.
@@TrainSim_TV The guy thinks he is above criticism, and his lot get pretty hostile as well.
I can understand if people are being non constructive. I myself would probably not listen and get a bit hostile if that was the case. But if its constructive which most of the feedback i have seen is then it should be taken on board. Myself also have given constructive feedback over some things i have come across since videoing to create a scenario. The team have responded to me and are looking into these :) Just shows that they do listen.
It looks nice Tom, not wibbling, ATS very keen on beta testing and sold it to community, things like this should be picked up. Thanks for the video,!!
Pleasure as always shamus! I hope you and the family are keeping well :)
@@TrainSim_TV We are all very well thank you, hope you, Katie and the boys are very well! xx
Most TSC players don't need all those in cab screen features that has obviously pushed up development costs which is passed on to the customer. It's a no sale for me.
Personally i dont think the price tag is reflected on all the camera views. They are a standard in the stock for TS these days and many users are grateful for them.
not worth the price at all, especially considering it has very limited use in TSC currently (at least as far as realistic scenarios are concerned)
Yeah we are certainly in dire need of some Aventra stock to fill the GEML up with these units. Something Alan said on a recent stream he was looking to have created in an AI capacity at least. We will have to wait and see what transpires. But price wise, very expensive for TSC i agree, its not for everyone which i can understand. Hopefully in time it will see a sale maybe for people to pick up on
745s operated alongside class 90s 2019 - 2020 before the aventras came in 2021@@TrainSim_TV
There is at least a short window for some interesting scenarios before the aventras arrived then
The main thing that has pushed up the price in my opinion is the ridiculous subscription model of ATS. If you pay them £32 a year, you get the train for up to 50% less. But I don't want to keep subscribed so I can continue to receive updates. I want to buy the product and own it. It's pointless to get this train if you don't have the subscription, the main route you'd want to use this on, the GEML (modern version), you can't even buy separately. The JT Metropolitan line was expensive, but at least once you bought it, you owned it. Terrible greed.
Nice, I'll wait for DEMU version (with diesel generators) to use on other rurar lines.
The one im most looking forward to.
@@TrainSim_TV Good to see some modern trains for UK network.
But because i driving mostly diesel mode, I really like class 800-802 from Armstrong Powerhouse enchancement.
Now we've got Flirt (electric), but diesel it is not much different, so maybe soon?. I still waiting for 195/197 to my Northern region collection (for North Wales Coast, Hope Valley Line and Sheffield to Nottingham), these maybe come in future... or 805 Avanti and 810 EMR...
Used to travel on 745/755s all the time when living in Ipswich and the sounds are good especially at high speed, however the motors sound a little synthetic and there's a drop in pitch at around 15/20mph which i never noticed when travelling on them. If the motor sounds could have a bit more bass to them it would be pretty spot on from what I can remember.
Only seem glimpses because as soon as I saw the price it was a non starter for me. But i'd happily lose some of the features for a reduction in price I don't care if you can change the passengers temperatures for example lol. Sorry not for me the 185 is much better bang for buck. Effectively for me it would be £32 for a subscription to get a half decent route for it to run on then another £28 odd for the FLIRT which isnt the most exciting stock for me personally. Remember this was also meant to be a 745/755 package and i'm assuming they'll be charging more for the 755 on top so its a non starter for me sadly. Hopefully some routes to come next...
Personally i was expecting the price to match the 185 overall. As even that is rather on the high end of pricing compared with AP. But that's fair play, as ive said to others in comments below and above the pack wont be for everyone and the heavy price tag it has attached will of scared a big portion of this lets be honest dying community. TS player numbers are dropping which really at the end of the day you want to make a pack that appeals to the masses and the price needs to match that.
Hopefully the flirt will have a sale in time however to maybe draw in users who took a look and said no right away.
The 755 is i believed to be a separate pack in the future. Though im pretty sure as you say in the earlier days of its development was dubbed as a duo pack.
The train itself is nice however and drives lovely. But its a niche thats not for all players with the small useage route wise you will get with what is available.
Yep. High development costs being past on to the customer for features that are not needed by most TSC players. The high price means a no sale from me.
Isnt the 755 a free update?
@@Cookie2k Should be but doubtful.
I heavily doubt that it will come as a free update.
Would Love To Get This But Just Way To Expensive, A Train Should Not Cost More Then Most Standerd Routes. A Great Vid As Always
The FOV reminds me of TTB trains like in the BR 481
Rather wide angle camera, but it can be adjusted in the settings at least :)
Loving the videos. I have recently purchased the uk version of tsw4. What would you recommend as my first purchase?
Certainly would recommend Blackpool Branches if you are a fan of the BR Era late 1980s. For modern era i would say the GOBLIN Barking Riverside to Gospel Oak route :)
@@TrainSim_TV Thanks for the prompt reply. I'll keep you updated which one I choose or both.
Excellent and enjoy!
Just bought this, installed it with the ATS Launcher (Run as Administrator). No errors on installation but can't find any reference to the Class 745 in any of the TS menus . Couldn't find any reference to ATS Class 745 in the ObjectSetFilter either. Does anyone know why I can't find it anywhere (under locos,Great Eastern Mainline, GEMMA beta, Academy, scenario editor etc. ) ?
Those 'incomplete boxes' are not boxes. They are bolted on weights added after testing showed the train to be too light to be stable on UK lines and look just like that. BTW - I maintain them for a living and have since they were delivered to the UK. Things I've noticed are: the bogie numbering is correct but theres only one door open on the c/disabled car. Do a spad and see what the TPWS woman says! The test button you pressed just tests the lights and alarms in the cab. The CCTV is wrong as the 10x numbers don't have a first class, passenger tables or a bistro.
i have got use to the controls of the class 745 but i have been wondering when travel on the fast line after about a hour or so the train slows down even before you reach a station. plus are the doors meant to open all at the same time.
The train slows because you have passed a neutral section you need to decelerate then power back up again. Doors to the left are T+U right T+O
@@paulwhelan4276 okay thank you
It looks nice but £38 is a joke. I might be interested if they ever have a sale. I am not paying that for an add-on.
Totally fair and a trend which is being noticed in a lot of areas regarding this. ATS may of really misjudged the choice on pricing here to try and claw in on a higher number of sales made.
@@TrainSim_TV I honestly think they should do it for £30 as from reading the feedback from users on this and other videos. They would sell more copies of this add on. Or at least in my opinion. I would recommend the 3dzug ICE 1 train for £28 from Just Trains that is better value if German trains are of interest to you.
who would pay 38 pounds
I didn't thankfully. Not sure i would personally ever spend over £30 for a piece of rolling stock. Even £30 is a push but here we are.
@@TrainSim_TV I mean at least ap 411 is worth 30 pounds
You know the backstory of the challenges they faced to make this over a 3 year period,did u watch their stream last night where he explained the reasoning behind its expense@TrainSim_TV
I am well aware thank you just like the rest of the community.
If you don't have an ATS sub and want the route too it'll be closer to £80
How do i get it
They did a nice job but i can't and won't bring myself to pay £38 for this, that's well over priced
This is the trend the comments thread is showing too.
Not really to do with the addon or game, but I am quite surprised to see such a modern train with an analog speedometer. I wouldn't have thought that it would be worth buying trains that aren't ETCS capable anymore
Hmmmm, don't know about you but the door windows are off...
will the 755 be seperate when you buy it?
I believe it is meant to be a separate product. I do hope there is a generous discount however to owners of the 745.
@@TrainSim_TV ah right, thank you
@@TrainSim_TV It could be the ATS "Cloud Pack" moment, Meant to be part of a combined pack but held back as a separate purchase. Poor scheduling or revenue grab?
@@jagman84revenue grab def
Are these the trains that also go to great Yarmouth, or is that a different train based on the same class.
I've discovered today that this ATS Flirt is the only train I've ever used (in many years) that is NOT compatible with Cobra One's "TS Joystick interface". Nothing will get it working. I'm guessing that this therefore also means it won't work with the TS Controllers hardware. So the most "Study level" and "advanced" train, yet the only one in TSC that can only be driven using the keyboard 🙄
DAS in reality and on the FLIRT do not advise on upcoming speed changes. This is contrary to how TI portrayed it on the 385
Thank you for that info :)
@TrainSim_TV Of course, Tom. I got a giggle at your reaction to the wind sound. I added that as one of those last-minute things as I was sat down trying to figure out what was missing from the experience as you faff about between stations. Also worthy of noting, if you are running a service that runs into short platforms, you need to run the plugin to have proper ASDO communications to the train to tell it to not open doors. If you're not an announcement kinda guy, you can mute the application in windows but still get full functionality
Haha, yes its the annoying type of wind sound when a window is cracked open, captured that well lol.
Not played with a service train yet but i shall be delving into that side of this this evening and later in the week for the streams :)
Sounds aren’t the best and it’s another weird FOV like the 185. And then how much is the 755 going to be? Overall not worth the price for me.
The FOV has a couple different options just as the 185 did
You can adjust the FOV in the TS settings too to suit.
@@TrainSim_TV Still never looks quite right to me.
The 185 FOV was always one that made you feel like you was driving like a rocket. However i dont think it was the FOV at fault. It may well be the same here on the Flirt. I need to drive it some more however yet.
Excellent review Tom. Pretty well balanced. I think if the price was lower, a lot of people would be singing the praises of this unit. Apart from the few very minor things you highlighted, it looks very good, does a lot of things and it sound relatively nice. I do understand the pricing, when you consider it took 3 years for them to make it, but I wonder if it's just too much for the TS community. Everyone says they want realism, but judging by the comments, I don't think most people are prepared to pay for it. There has to be a balance and I feel they went a bit too far on the scripting here, which is clearly what pushed the price so high (along with other internal issues).
to get the actual route and train youd be paying £109 including a subscirption for the route
You don't actually need to get the newer GEML route. Thats a separate option and choice. You can use the FLIRT on the standard GEML
@@TrainSim_TV yeah but the thing that agitates me is that the OHLE is incorrect like the double post gantries are the WCML ones
Depends how much it agitates you in that case. If you want it then you will pay for it, like anything in this world. If you can see past that then stay on that. It is what it is at the end of the day.
@@randomidiot24563 i definitely see where youre coming from, i like when the ohle is correct and looks good
£38 for a train that only really used on two routes is beyond the pale. The train fine, the sounds are meh and there's a couple of noticeable issues that could easily be fixed however even if all the issues are addressed the price is still a non starter. Ive brought expensive content from 3DZUG that was around 30 euros and there content is better value for money than this heck even MSFS DLC is way better value than this. Regardless of the work that's gone into at the end of the day it's a massive ask for paying £38 for one train that realistically can only be used on two routes. ATS would have been better off lowering the price to £20/£25.
Agreed
Cheaper getting into flight sim.
Not sure about that, MSFS is not a cheap game, some planes vary in price and also are higher.
What a poxy faff just to drive a train. . Way to complicated. Just sitting where shouting at me most of the time .
Its a study level simulation. The procedures are as close to the real thing as possible here. It does say to read the manual before just jumping into this. Which is what i had to do as i was non the wiser at first.