Custom Made Speaker Rings = BETTER SOUND! HOW TO!
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- čas přidán 1. 07. 2024
- When we install a custom car audio system we often upgrade the speakers, but what if the aftermarket speakers we want to use don't just bolt into the OEM location? Then we need to use custom made speaker adapters! Even aftermarket speakers fluctuate in size so by custom making our speaker adapter mounting rings we will get a precision fit. We can also make the rings thick to space them closer to the door panel grill for better sound quality. In this video I go throw the process of making these for #CAFJetta.
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Been doing installs for over 20 yrs and I still learn from this guy
You've been installing stereos for 20 years and you learned something new in this video???
Thats awesome, glad to help.
Theirs always new things to learn everyday my guy 👍🏽
@@jimbanville might have been using bought adapter for them 20 years or anything we dont know, maybe they learned about the depth thing, who knows butbsomething learned is a good thing
Grats on 500K Mark!! You earned it, you're the best fabrication teacher I've seen on CZcams.
Wow, thanks for the compliment, appreciate that!
Yeah...he's fooled me into thinking I can do this myself! LOL
Fluent... Clear.... Simple... And to the point, is what this channel profess every time I watch.
I wish everything cut as effortless on the router as that material does ....awesome video
Congratulations mark on 500k. Great videos, your videos are very informitive , really neat work you do. Keep it up the great work bro..
Love these videos! I was just looking at your older videos in speaker adapters.
Dude I just bought a Jetta and started matting my trunk. Just found your channel and the fact you also did a Jetta is a blessing
Hey man, just discovered your videos yesterday - love them! Also, your garage is awesome! Love the setup and organization.
Discovered this channel halfway through my first installation and these videos are impressive as hell. At 01:34 you mention bolting speakers directly to the door, which is how I'd like to proceed given that I have no woodworking equipment. I'm curious to know some of the steps you would have taken if you'd gone that route.
Long story short my vehicle is a rare exception and the bracket doesn't work, so I've found myself needing to "ghetto it" like so many else on CZcams with my car. You've already earned my subscription but that would be the perfect video: "How to custom mount speakers only with stuff from your local hardware store". That's pretty much what I'm workin with aside from the tools needed for an average install. Your videos have inspired me to pull all my trim up again to jerry rig these speakers better. The mounts secure, it's the seal on an uneven surface that presents a challenge.
Keep up the great work! :)
Sure do congratulate you on 500K! That’s real good! Stay safe mates!😊👍🏻😷
I always get router envy watching this channel :)
Me too
These videos are on point man, great work on the channel!
Thanks for all your time and great information. .
This is an awesome resource…thanks for sharing! Subscribed!🎉
I love crutchfield! I only order from there even if other retailers are cheaper
Very interesting but not always feasible.
In my specific case there is plenty of room in the door for the speaker's magnet but no extra gap at all between top speaker and door's panel.
For my installation I was a bit limited but also I decided to use the stereo own amplifier (plenty of power), high efficient speakers (93db) and a under seat amplified subwoofer.
I love the setup and that proves that in the car you don't need mega watts but instead quality and enjoyment!
Nice work again 😃 and just to let you know, I could of used this video when I did my doors.🤪 Now I'll be taking out the foam rigging and do it right. Yes there's kits and other videos on this. But the VW beetle is not on the aftermarket parts list. I tried one's for the Jetta/golf.. but it was no good. Other people are using fancy tools. This is simple. 👍
Great info. Thanks for sharing.
Where do you get the acrylic for the speaker adapters? Great vids. Thanks for spreading your knowledge.
Free Tips on making custom speaker mounts:
You are not making a speaker ring (or spacer) you are making a structure to hold a driver that may weigh up to 2 pounds vertical in a door metal cutout that is subject to several vibration and shock modes.
1) Use black HDPE instead of Expanded PVC (for many reasons, mainly strength and rigidity).
2) Have the door side mount pilot on the metal round cutout in the door, this will help eliminate shear forces on the hardware used to attach it to the door, and also use 3M Polyurethane (it is a sealent and not a glue) to prevent rotation. You could use epoxy but the 3M Polyurethane will allow you to remove the mount. You can use rivnuts (Treated Steel or SS) or large serrated flange nylock nuts (18-8 SS) to attach the mount to the door.
3) Use countersink screws (Flat head Torx drive 18-8 SS) to attach the mount to the door.
4) Have the driver outer circumference (circular frame) recess (pilot) into the front side of the mount. This will help remove shear forces on the hardware holding the driver to the mount. Which gives more options for the type of fastener used to attach the driver to the mount.
5) Use Heat-Set Inserts (303 SS) for plastic (melted into the HDPE, this is one reason to use HDPE) to attach the driver to the mount. Use the largest size Insert that will match the available clearance and driver holes (often a metric sized screw).
6) All hardware should be 18-8 SS. In the rust belt salt spray seems to get everywhere eventually.
7) You can fit larger drivers by stacking the mount outward (greater diameters) if you pilot as you stack forming a sort of outward cone. You can also make the outer ring match up with the door panel if you want to use a custom grille (3D printed SLA or metal mesh) to attach the door panel to the mount. This will keep everything tight.
Sounds like a lot of good info. Care to make a video on it? Being shown, instead of just reading and then trying to duplicate it, is often a lot harder to do, than if one sees how to do it. Thanks.
Nice and wow you hit over 500,000 subscribes that was a good lesson on making speaker rings ⭕
That speaker ring template is awesome. I need to get one of those.
Mobilesolutions-usa.com has you covered 👌 Just remember it would be impossible for them to have a ring that fits every speaker in existence, so to get to the right size you can use the technique I show in the video with the eco tray.
Great video, and as always great advice.
Glad it was helpful!
Lmao I just received this headunit from crutchfield today. Thanks for the content btw I've been binging the past week while deciding what to do with my system.
Hey Mark! Love your content, very jealous of your shop setup, but always impressed by your quality of work and quality of content!
If I only have one critique, I do notice a difference in quality between your voiceovers and your "selfie" cam. Wondering if you should add some sound deadening to your cabinets and/or ceiling in order to reduce the amount of echo going on in your shop? I think that may offer some good content and improve your final product!
Great stuff, excited to see the next video!
Very clean. Question though, are you using crossovers?
Hello Mark Can you add the Link where you purchased the threaded rivot tool for drill attachment? thanks and killer video btw
Loved Crutchfield auto
Wow! JL sure is proud of the C3 series. I guess it's sticker shock from the days of accommodation pricing. Time to put on some Chapstick and give Lucio a call.
Quality products have a price 😎
nice work always nice tutorials for me
Appreciate that, thanks for watching
I bought some adaptor rings for my 1998 Passat. I'm installing a Audio System double kicker set because I don't have rear passengers in my car so the backdoors only going to get a mid kick woofer.
But i am in doubt of with of my amp's im going to run. I could chose between a Audioson SRx2S, Audioson LRx6.9 (that gives me some options on bi wirering and still have a option for adding a subwoofer) og a Hertz HP2X 🤷♂️
someone named Mark from CAF made my speaker adaptor rings. they're awesome. like someone below, I am most interested in that rivet setter. what I have is not nearly that slick. where do I find that please?
I fell like I would've made a groove like a 1/4 that size for the speaker wire to run through or just pushed it through the grommet and kept it inside the door.
do you even speaker adapter bro 😂
as always, thanks for your expertise shared!!!
Like to see you go Bigger. With a 8in Component speaker setup. And or a 6x9 Adapter for front door and rear doors.
What material is that? I’m doing a diy stereo install and I’m having a ton of trouble with my bracket. It’d be nice to have a custom one so it’s sealed perfectly.
@CarAudioFabrication they are JL C3 convertible good sounding speaker
I love your content. Can you do a 2011 chevy caprice ppv.?
Sir if possible please make a video on chevorlet spark in which you made modifications in door panels to install the speakers.
Mark congrats on your 5k! In what state r u located?
Did you have a link to the material used?
Man. When I was a young, ignorant (in the literal sense) bass head, Crutchfield was the cheap shit. Pyle, pyramid, etc… I found out 4-5 years ago that that’s FAR from the case now. And their customer support is awesome!
Hey. Need some help with an amplifier. It is a 4 channel amp that can be bridged to 2x240w, right. So if I add 2 independent speakers to another 2 free channels, how will the power be distributed? Do I lose that 240w from a sub and that will be shared to those other channels?
What is the name of the tool you use to secure those metal bases to the door?
Great video as usual but a ? If using the c3 as coax and c5 coax in rear why not use c5 coax all the way around or c3 coax in rear. I mean why use the better series in the back? Thanks
This also confuses me. The c5 tweeters are light years smoother than the c3. 🤔 Why Mark? Surely there is a reason here.
Would I be able to make one like these going from a 6x8 location to 6x9? A audio shop told me I wouldn't be able to do this
Thanks I just 👍 and subbed
Can or do you have the router bits you used for this design? I am wanting to make a bracket and would love to know where I can buy the bits and what they are called.
Nice tutorial
Glad you think so! Thanks for watching!
Watchin this till the new vid drops.
Awesome! Its live now! (I see you already commented. :) ) Watch i there: czcams.com/video/tKqelYJqmXw/video.html
where can I get some cellular pvc sheet? been looking for some at the local hardware store, no luck so far...
Can you put the link for the rivet nut tool plz and thank you
So in your professional opinion: is it possible to make an adapter to fit a 6x9 in a 6.5 slot in a door? I have 6.5s right now but I kind of want to give 6x9s a shot. So I want to know if I can make one without having to cut the door..
Wish you just sold these spacers need them for my boat to fit my new speakers
Man I’d love to work for or with you, there’s no telling how much I’ll learn and how much fun I’ll have😄
Haha maybe someday 😅
@@CarAudioFabrication we can sure hope so! With your talent and personality, I feel like it would be really easy for you to expand and grow your business if you wanted. That way maybe I can inadvertently work for you at least😁 keep up the work, love what you do and really appreciate your channel! I’ve learned sooo much from you
Could you do a video of installing speakers in the bed of a truck and in the cab. But being able to turn off the ones in the bed and leave the ones in the cab on.
And maybe will your doing that make it so the ones in the bed run off a second battery so they can play when the trucks off
Link for the rivet setter? That's a sweet piece!
Albert Bellas you can get them at Harbor Freight. I got one for $25 and it included 8 sizes of rivets / nut zerts and 10 of each size. Only issue is as of a year ago they didn't carry separate zerts/ rivets, only the kit. They do sell them separately online though.
Do you make custom speaker spacers/rings?
Why would you want all the sound coming from your feet? I'm fighting that exact problem in my 1998 Firebird. Good tips on install though.
How can i get adaptors for my 1993 bmw 740il dash speakers from factory 3 inch to 3.5 inch speakers
That looks a lot better than an epoxy and sheetrock screws
I wanted to see the door panel placed back over the speaker/adapter setup
Great episode. Just one question; Do you have to seal the hole the wires pass through to prevent air leaks around the speaker/trim ring basket? Keep up the great work.
Yes, I did with speaker gasket tape as noted in the video. :)
I'd use Silicone gel, but that's me. It would be harder to remove later but I wouldn't use the gel till the speaker install was tested and complete. The problem with the tape is it will still flex under pressure, whereas the silicon once hardened won't flex in the slightest.
Again, the tape IS a perfectly acceptable solution, I'm not arguing against its use. Just offering a different one.
That could work too, although it could be a pain if you need to return the factory state.
@@CarAudioFabrication it takes a little work but Silicon will come off cleanly. I couldn't tell since the sound treatment was already covering it, was the factory wire outside of the door panel it's entire length?
No, but inside the door cavity the wire bundle lives within a rubber tube. There is no just isolating the speaker wires unless you cut the tube.
One day I'll have a garage where I can actually do all this fabrication...until then, it's the hard way or it ain't happenin' lol...doesn't stop me, though...onward and upward!
Question, how much clearance should there be between the back of the speaker and the exterior door panel? If it’s too close will the metal interfere with the magnetic field of the speaker? I need to include that in my calculation to see how much room I actually have to work with.
Many times for a mid or small woofer like in the video the basket of the speaker is made out of steel (which is ferrous), and the permanent magnet field is local and focused on the voice coil, so near by ferrous objects close to the magnet should not make a noticeable difference in driver operation.
Nice👍🏿
With all the specialized tools you have, I'm surprised you don't have a drill press.
I knew it was going to a vw.
Didn't the ring push the speaker way out (1" closer to the door skin)? But the gap between the grill and speaker got bigger so you added foam (fast ring). What am I missing? How did that gap get bigger instead of way tighter, or even push the speaker out beyond the plane of the grille?
Stock adapter was out far too
Where do you purchase your plastics (abs/hope/expanded pvc) Mark?
Walmart sells hdp cutting boards for 89 cents . Cuts really easy and dirt cheap
The expanded PVC can be found at big box hardware stores: czcams.com/video/G9hZ1H9m7Ko/video.html&ab_channel=CarAudioFabrication Acrylics come from local plastics supplier.
I have a 2011 santa fe with the base system and separate tweeters. I was thinking about putting a pair of jvc 2 ways I have laying around in the front doors. Do you know if it would cause any problems? From what I’ve gathered the front and rear 6.5s are the same but there’s not a lot of information online
You may find that you don't get as good of sound when you only replace the speakers. A factory system typically doesn't have the power to make aftermarket speakers sound all that great, but amplify them and you will get better results.
@@CarAudioFabrication I have an aftermarket head unit and the speakers are high sensitivity low rms so the power should be a good match. I can compensate some if it’s too bright with the hu settings.
How do you feel about JL vs Focal in terms of build quality and your SQ preferences?
Both are excellent! By far some of the best.
I get it of you don't have a preference. The whole system and the setup matter as much as a given speaker brands signature sound profile.
JL are sonically more accurate in their tonal representation. They are typically unaltered. Focal are always going to be bright and crisp. Every DSP tuner can tell you that they have to attenuate the top end in a focal build.
What material is the speaker ring made from?
Expanded PVC.
What is the material your using for these rings?
Check out my other video: czcams.com/video/G9hZ1H9m7Ko/video.html&ab_channel=CarAudioFabrication
Legenda in português please.🙏
Intrigued why you opted to go for coax instead of component seeing as the factory has tweeters higher up in the door panel? Surely dragging the sound stage down is a bad idea generally speaking so curious what i'm missing.
The doors panels don't have tweeters high up or I would have gone that route. Custom fabbing sails or pillars was out of the budget on this build.
@@CarAudioFabrication weird! Must be a difference between Euro and US spec on the Jetta then. Over here we have tweeters up high.
Depends on trim level.
@@CarAudioFabrication Sounds likely. Here in the UK we are not even able to order the base models from any of the German manufacturers. Mercedes and BMW are much worse, but VW do it as well. The entry level spec for the UK is usually the mid range one for Germany and maybe the rest of the world?
Thanks for taking the time to reply. Love the work you do. You have a skill of making things look so easy but as a DIY enthusiast doing car audio for 20 years, I know what you show in a short video is sometimes very time consuming and takes a lot of care and attention to get right!
I know it's unrelated to what you're doing but I would appreciate it if you made a video about how some car audio places throw a bunch of incompatible audio parts at paying customers and giving them subpar audio systems. An example I paid $2,500 for a car audio system and it barely sounded louder than my stock system even with its amplifier and me tuning the settings. This has happened to multiple people that I know including myself.
You want Mark to whinge at some unknown store’s poor service on your behalf?
There was nothing stopping you from doing research and learning what components work
swell video
Standard speaker 5 1/4
Me I want 10” mid base and 8” midrange ....
Wouldn't it be easier to use a nut instead of a threaded rivet to attach a mounting ring with bolts?
How are you going to hold a nut on the back? If you go to service and remove the speaker how do you prevent a nut from falling. Any "solution" here would require somehow sticking the nut to the back, which is why using a threaded rivet is the correct way to do this
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You're the best! Thanks!
@@CarAudioFabrication I appreciate you saying this!! Also Thanks the time to make the great YT content ill be tuning in Feq.
Mark can I use the speaker adapters that came from Crutchfield?
Yes, but in the case of this vehicle they aren't large enough to fit the speakers I used, which is the whole point.
🤦🏽♂️they won't fit my 2018 vw jetta 😢
Do you sell those speakers rings on your website?
I just 3d print my speaker adapter rings
I don't know, why but I thought ( in the thumbnail) that the speaker was in a washing machine 😂
Don't the fast rings get stuck around the woofer? That's what I did
Its the same thing to stick them on the door panel or around the speaker. It bridges the same gap.
@@CarAudioFabrication true. Just assumed it would be more accurately lined up if stuck around the cone
Nice video but coaxial speakers are generally crap to begin with.
How can I wire up 1 subwoofer to a 2ch amp?
Bridge the channel outputs if the amp allows for it.
Thanks
great vids ,,need more watching ,,help stop all these nasty sounding systems from being on the road ...
Thanks for watching! You can help by sharing with people, much appreciated 👍
Yes👍 I can't stand the all tweeter and all bass only Guy's.
I ll 3D print something 👍
Does anyone else get have a want for more tools after watching this 😅
Hey Mark. Let me just 1st off say that their does not exist wordz 2 describe u yo! U r just 100% totally beyond belief! Plz keep sharing & teaching. Question. I currently have a 2012 Hyundai Elantra base model. And need 2 know if it'z possible 4 me 2 with custom fab of course, replace my factory oem 6.5" door wooferz with 8" wooferz? Thx. Peace.
Nobody ever shows how to fasten the plastic ring,,,,and instead of holes,, it is sloted ,,,please clarify if you see this comment,, anyone please !
TY,,,,😎👍📢🎶🎶🎶🎶😜
The only negative thing to say about this channel is that we CAN'T go to YOUR shop and have YOU install our car audio system. None of the local car audio shop nearby are as competent as you are.
I appreciate that, to be fair though the reason I can take more time to do things is because I am not up against a clock. I know many guys that own shops that are incredible at what they do, but the added time needs to be covered, and at $100+ per hour it can add up.
Could you do a video of installing speakers in the bed of a truck and in the cab. But being able to turn off the ones in the bed and leave the ones in the cab on.
And maybe will your doing that make it so the ones in the bed run off a second battery so they can play when the trucks off
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@@kellypg what