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- Estela de Carlotto has spent nearly four decades searching for her grandson, one of the 500 babies who disappeared after their mothers were taken by the military regime in Argentina in the 1970s.
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Never, ever, underestimate the power of a mothers love.
Ash- Bob and of a grandmother as well.
Breaks my heart seeing these grandmother's just wanting to know there grandbabies are so sorry for all the grandmother's I will never forget Michelle UK
the power of women*
The unbreakable bond between mother and child also links a grandmother to her grandchildren. Becoming a mother changes you as a person in ways that you can never go back to the way you were before.
Amen to that my sister🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽💞
My grandfather was abducted and tortured for seven months, my grandmother looked everywhere for him but couldn't find him. Some random day a car left him at the family's house, he never told us what happened, not even to my grandma, he died 14 years ago from cancer and his last months between his pains, delirium and agonies he remembered those times abducted and cried like a little kid, always hiding in his bedroom, he had to sleep with the TV on at full volume to not have nightmares.
I hope he found peace, only God knows what he and the rest of innocents went through.
sofía ☹️ your poor grandpop
dont worry the people who committed the crimes are being haunted everyday by demon men, women, and children
Oh how devastating, this made me cry
Fun fact: The CIA gave economic and tactical support to the Argentine, Chilean, and other Latin American dictatorships during the cold war, in what's called "el plan condor" or "the condor plan"
fact: the CIA did the bidding of governments so paranoid of communism that everything was deemed conscionable
@@lbmclean, the domino effect.
shiticantfindmyname GRACIAS
Yeah here in Brazil too, and they might be doing it again
One of the main reasons was that the Latin American countries had protectionist policies, which did NOT benefit the Usa.
This retro report series is criminally under-viewed, pardon the pun. Great editing, storytelling, and visuals as always.
I hope Retro Report is winning awards left and right, they deserve them.
Lol for what this is CZcams moron
@@dylanwicklund5129 I guess for bringing a lot of these topics unknown by most people to light.
The NY Times shouldn’t need a reward for attempting to “factually” report.... however, in today’s mainstream media climate, I suppose it is a rarity.
@@jessicachanning2447 I guess its because these topics are largely bipartisan-- unless for some reason you support an Argentinian military dictatorship for example. Still, a lot of good research goes into these.
Zachary Morritt even some of the outlets like “vice” tend to politicize all information(I’ll admit there are some reporters there that know what they are doing) they report on. It doesn’t much surprise me anymore. But these are “old” issues, so it’s a little hard to twirl too much political correctness in
To me, as an Argentine, is heartbreaking to see this, but I'll always admire the fight of Estela and this wonderful women. Unfortunately, there are still people in my country who deny this reality, or even attack the disappeared as "terrorists" and saying they "had it coming".
Yes, people still justify this attroicities.
Nunca más. Never more.
Entonces no hubo subversivos entrenados en el exterior que intentaron llegar al poder atravez de las armas? Mira vos, che.
Sounds like those people who deny concentration camps
Nunca nos vamos a olvidar hermanos. Siempre juntos.
Ni olvido ni perdón.
Horrible porque parece que varios gobiernos se olvidaron (hablo por el fallo de la corte por el 2x1 para estos genocidas)
It continues to surprise me about how much of world history is ignored in American schools. I have never heard of this until this moment and I am 27 years old. I am deeply saddened this this happened and hope that every family either gets a reunite or an answer. How incredibly awful. I can't even fathom the horror of the victims and the families of the victims.
+Katie Wahl They aren't going to teach you that because the US have supported almost each and every one of the military governments in Latin Amerca, I'm not being exaggerated when I tell you that
I was lucky enough to go a high school and a college where we learned about these things in depth. It's made it difficult for me to relate to others in general, particularly when it comes to discussions of history and politics... people have no clue how ignorant they really are. And growing anti-intellectualism has made it worse. Facts are now considered "leftist propaganda."
+Diego Gutiérrez They're not gonna teach you about it in American schools because it doesn't have an effect on America, nor-as far as the present is concerned as of yet-the rest of the world.
Katie Wahl honey, American schools ignore a lot of American history as well. Philippine-American war is nowhere to be found. Many people didn’t even know Puerto Rico is an American territory, as well as Somalia and the American Virgin Islands.
An AP US history teacher in my old school keeps pointing out that he could teach US history ignoring all minorities and the students could pass the test.
Not just American schools
These women are incredible.
I had no idea about the planes. Holy wow. That's absolutely insane, it's like something an 8-year-old playing war would think up before they understand about the permanence of death.
+Anna Dorman I didnt know that either! And dropped them while they were still alive, how horrible!
Anna Dorman they were called the flights of death.. putting their feet in a bucket and filled up with concrete while they were on drugs.. then drop them in the ocean.. extremely sad..
la noche de los lápices night is another sad history.. they make a movie about it
They actually bothered with concrete? 4 hours flight out to sea, those bodies might have washed ashore somewhere I guess.
That's how my uncle and my grandmother died. My grandmother wasn't involved in politics, she was only captured so they could torture her in front of my uncle to make him talk. She was even the widow of a navy officer, the men who tortured them were fellow officers of her late husband. Survivors who saw them in captivity told us the military had her working assisting the pregnant young women through birth labor.
I am a grandmother of a lovely little boy. My blood runs cold when I think of how horrible it would be if he was stolen from us. My sympathies go out to these women.
I´m argentinean and i´m literally crying while watching this video. The story is so powerfull. And there are so many details that I never knew, becouse in Argentina they don´t really teach you about the dictatorship, it´s like a taboo topic, and it shouldn´t be.
Agustina Enrique Toda la razón, a la gente no le gusta hablar de esto porque trae muchísimo dolor.
La gente sí habla sobre esto en sus casas, es el gobierno el que niega todo y encima beneficia a los genocidas.
yup thats why you always need to fight facism, they treat people who don't believe in their ideals or look similar to them as less human, which they then use to justify mass genocide, it happens everytime
Your country quite frankly is disgusting same as America
But how can you not know, you are living in it
I’m from Argentina, I’m 15 years old. I wasn’t even alive when this happened, but this sends shivers down my spine. We won’t let this happen again. Nunca más.
The Universe lo mismo. los tíos de mi mamá fueron exiliados, eran socialistas. mi tía abuela desapareció en mar del plata por marchar por el boleto estudiantil. tenía 18.
me da mucho miedo, porque si yo hubiese estado ahí, habría desaparecido.
nunca más.
@@iridiscencia5390 Éso es lo que siempre me pongo a pensar cuando se habla de la dictadura y de todos los pibes que marchaban y exigían sus derechos. A cuuántos de nosotros nos agarrarían. Y justamente por éso hay que dejar de joder con el facho de Macri, la gente ya no tiene memoria.
Lo mismo, tengo 21, yo sé que si hubiera estado ahi me hubieran agarrado. Mi mama y mi papa, ahora entre los 60 y 70, safaron de casualidad.
@the universe Im proud to hear you say that at such a young age...you are smart we need more kids like.
I'm from DC and Isabel Mignone was actually my substitute teacher! I had gotten recommended this video and remembered her sisters name and I was gonna tell the story here but that's absolutely crazy. I remember her telling our Spanish class about her sister, about how she was sedated and dropped in the sea, and afterwards I went up to her and asked more about her sister and she wrote down her name for me. Looking back now I feel so bad for Ms. Mignone cause the class was so disrespectful and wouldn't listen. I hope she's still doing well 💕
I remember hearing something like 30,000 disappeared, but I didnt know the dictatorship had only ruled 7 years!
This was our last dictatorship and the worst, we had others before
It was our Holocaust
What an amazing woman that Grandmother is!
I've been to Argentina twice, but 2018 was my first time to the march outside the Rose Palace.
If any of you have watched this and what to know how it feels to be there, I want to give you this:
The park is beautiful and there was a bunch of teenagers drinking and smoking.
When the march starts, a gazebo is set up and a nursing home bus arrives with the oldest grandmothers and a group of allies numbering about 20.
As it begins, these teens are cleared out but do not argue and some stay and watch in solidarity.
The air becomes dense as they match in a wide circle and there is never police intervention, as it has the feeling of 'this event will only continue as long as these woman are alive'.
The grief is like the feeling you get when you choke on air, it is palpable and it makes many break down.
The photos are old and fading.
As an argentinian I can tell you that the dictatorship it's like a huge scar that heals very slowly and it's always there, visible and always present as a reminder.
I've been present at those marches a couple of times, and it always feels like there is a knot in your throat, never fails to appear.
@@giuliana4682 I can only read a little Spanish, and I think my biggest regret is I lack the ability to retain languages (I have dyslexia) ... but I wish I had more time there. I went in 1998 then 2018 - It's my stepdad who is from Moron originally, but we can see the distress and hardship of his family still there. The ones that are left are very elderly but time has aged them more quickly. In Australia, they may have had another 10-20 years on their lives but now they live in humble joy for life.
I never knew how grateful I should have been for my stepdad's parent's to raise my stedad up here to be my father.
Another horrible legacy from our CIA interference in the affairs of every country south of our border. The planes were the worst export Boeing ever made.
The Guatemalan coups and genocide that followed were all triggered by CIA assistance too. It's so sad to learn about Latin America's history and how much the US and the CIA has played in it.
@@ninethreefivesix THE CIA IS ITS OWN ENTITY. STOP EQUATING IT WITH THE US
@@semiramisbonaparte1627 the CIA is an element of the US government. Is your government not representative of the people?
@@thomaszinser8714 Well no, not ours. However it's still important to acknowledge what it has done to the rest of the world for the past century.
What a beautiful Lady, what a horrible thing they did to those people.
Cindy Song the CIA did it.
Aw I'm glad through everything, Estela found her own grandson.
Anja Fourie there where 30.000 people disappeared in Argentina. And this happened in all Latin America thanks to the CIA. Saying your glad at least Estela found her grandson is very disrespectful
M M Her grandson is alive
M M I don't get what you mean. She's saying she's glad Estela found her grandson after so much fighting, it doesn't imply she will stop looking for the other children. In fact, she still keeps on doing it!
This is so horrible for the innocent victims, and heartbreaking for all who lost those they loved.
she's such a strong, formidable person! in a way she reminds me of my own grandmother, still active and busy in her 90s. i'm glad she was able to find and connect with her grandson after so many years apart
Horrible and beautiful story. Let us remember so it is never repeated. Here in Brazil we also has a terrible dictatorship, albeit not as bad as in Argentina, so I send them all my best wishes for the present and future.
As a person who lived in Argentina back till 2019, I can confirm that the families are still looking for their disappeared children and grandchildren. You can still see big papers glued to the papers with a human silhouette with a word disappeared inside it
Wonderful story..
My grandfather was in the argentinian military during the dictatorship, but he was only a vet, he didn't know this was happening. But a friend of his knew. He told him to control my mom, who was a left wing supporter, because she could be in trouble if she kept speaking her mind so openly. When I think what they could have done to her had she not been lucky, I know I'll always fight for this not to happen again. Nunca más.
I usually dont like the new York times but these retro reports are quality journalism
We studied this for Spanish and I would’ve never thought an essay based on this would interest me.
What a sad yet beautiful story!! He is so nice and good looking !! I'm so happy for the Grand Mother!!!
This is the best retro report ever
I KNOW RIGHTTTTT
This story was heartbreaking and hope inspiring all at once. The depth of inhumanity and the heights of love. We are capable of heaven or hell I hope one day we all choose heaven and love. But to think this is still happening all over the world. Dictators murder just so they can sit on a throne.
I’ve met these women they are some of the kindest, strongest and most dedicated women around. Les respeto señoras
Ignacio and Estela look somewhat alike. I am glad Estela found her grandson 🙏👏👏.
i love the retro reports...
What an incredible woman! Wow.
This is so heartbreaking and so sad 💔😪
uma triste realidade que marcou a america latina por decadas... e sem duvida, uma das razoes por sermos uma regiao que, embora abastecida de inumeros recursos naturais, nao passamos de uma regiao subdesenvlvida.
Amazing.
Amazing story
I am so happy that she was finally able to find her grandson!
This video made me miss my grandma so much ;(
Real-life superheroes come in all sizes and ages. :)
Me hizo llorar este video.... :(
Wonderful ending to such a tragic event in history
i love watching this
Like what is the point of doing that to your own people? Why treat your own citizens and torture them like that? Just evil.
C.L Mckenzie the CIA did it
It wasn't to their own people, the US did it to us
True heroes.
We should do this with the native American kids who were adopted out
Kissinger was involved in the plaining of these horrors in Bolivia, Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Brasil and Paraguay.
The Mothers of the Disappeared are some of the most amazing people who have ever lived
amazing how similar they look
Wow😢
this is so sad
I know where all the missing grandchildren are hiding...they're holding back afraid to implicate their adopted family of a crime. Who would want their parents to be jailed for the chance to find their biological grandmother?
assuming they even know they are adopted
It’s highly unlikely they would ever even know. The parents wouldn’t have told them, as they weren’t great people either
I’m from argentinas and there’s a lot of cases were grandchildrens found out that they were stolen (and later adopted ) and they denounced their families and separated from them.
I agree but I do hope they come out and find there relatives so at least they have some peace.
Still feel it 🇦🇷🇦🇷🇦🇷
He's very lucky, wish I could also find my parents in Argentina and see if I have family still there too!!
We learned this in my law class called human rights and research practice. My professor was in Argentina as a human rights forensic worker and was in one of the coups and he taught us a lot of other stuff happening in the South America. It took til sophomore year of college, upper division classes in prelaw courses to learn this. He wrote a book on it to. Eric Stover. He did some great work in Argentina. The students that went to University of Buenes Aires. They did archaeology and forensics investigative work to discover the “ disappeared.” Argentine forensic anthropology team did some great work identifying bodies using skeletons and forensic work. Hard to reunite everyone because the international community is not funded well. The missing in the aftermath of war: when do the needs of victims families ne international war crimes tribunals clash by Eric stover and Rachel shigkane.
During the late 19th and early 20th century argentina was considered one of the most economically prosperous nations in the world with the best standard of living and highest PPP, but since the 30s it's been nothing but dictators, military coups and massive fall from grace.
This was also the same regime that invaded the Falklands in 1982 to distract from the political upheaval that caused its 1983 downfall
It's dangerous to compare, but Estela de Carlotto reminds me of Simon Wiesenthal. Both were driven, even into old age, to find people (some in Argentina), though when Estela finds someone, it's probably a happier occasion for the parties involved in the search. When Simon W. found Nazi criminals, I doubt he hugged very many of them. I mean, his work was rewarding, but it's somber business.
Sounds like something that could only happen with the support of the CIA.
N.W.A. The no care about no lives Bushes ran evil cia
Repulsive that's the only way I can describe it inhuman repulsive it's just hard to ascribe how angry I am and how sad I am for the mothers for the children and for the grandmothers and all of the families.
Hannah Scea the only thing we can do now is to tell the world about it. This happened in all Latin America and the CIA was responsible. But most Latin Americans countries deny this and hide it, let alone the USA. We cannot let this happen again. Nunca más
Nunca más, carajo.
It amaze me how y'all don't know at all that the US was part of this.
This Grandmother has aged magnificently. She was attractive forty years ago but is beautiful now. And her grandson looks much like her ❤️
Their determination makes me happy but at the same time I feel angry because our goverment deny this genocide in some way and that say a lot about our president and his team.
People forget that many Nazis escaped to Argentina mixed with a stronghold of companies with 'special interests' and you have atrocities like this happen.
delta1 inc you're blaming the last Argentinian dictatorship on the nazis??
Yeah they're two unrelated things buddy.
Nah, it was the US this time
I'm not blaming anyone, I'm saying ideologies like these might have been spread by people that migrated to Argentina such as the Nazis mixed with 'Special Interest' groups (be it dictators or foreign agencies) and you have these type of radical atrocities happen. I mean I'm not saying the Nazis did this, obviously not, but then again you wouldn't think people to inter others in camps for profit and then gas them or burn them alive; but yet in history it happened.
I'm talking about the passing of disgusting ideologies and experiments like some of the ones the Nazis could think of. I'm not blaming Nazis, I'm comparing the probable mixture between Nazi ideology and special interest groups that led to these radical social reforms and actions.
I get what you mean but this was about something else. Before Videla and friends' dictatorship, our president Peron became a huge reference of social politics. His impact in the young people was so strong that politics and social consciousness were present in everybody's life. Meanwhile, North America, scared of the rise of communism in Latin America, was putting dictatorships (Plan Condor) all over the continent and it was after Peron's death when they became government.
Fun fact: Peron hated communists and he was in the military.
Woah!! It’s probably just confirmation bias, but Estela and her grandson look so alike.
El bien siempre triunfa. Porque gente valiente como esta Sra. decidio buscar JUSTICIA.
Retro reports are so underrated
grandes las abuelas♥
He looks just like his abuelita
This is a tragic, heart breaking story of grandmothers searching to find their beloved grandchildren and mothers searching for their beloved children😢 My heart truly breaks for these mothers and abuelas💔 However, I admire their fierce spirit and their strong hearts, & I do wish them the best!❤️
To think that in Argentina and Chile are people who doesn't believe this has happened, its just insane.
I think that every one that is adopted should be told what their heritage and real parents are it is not fair to ether
Sad how humans can cause so much damage in such short period of time on earth.
You are forgetting to mention huge details like the “plan cóndor” against Latin America.
Which was a retaliation for the plan Socialism had for South America, which today had its 2nd wave with the Foro de San Pablo, which Chavez, Kirchner, Correa, Rousseff, Morales and Mujica were part (no surprise, most of those people, including Mujica and Rousseff were TERRORIST in the 70s and kidnapped and murdered civilians).
Thanks again, USA. Think about this each time you wonder why immigrants arrive.
Thank you
UMMM THIS IS OUR FAULT HOW??
@@semiramisbonaparte1627 the coup was made possible by support from the CIA.
Immigrants are welcome in the United States. All they have to do is follow the rules.
@@semiramisbonaparte1627 Have you ever heard of PLAN CONDÓR???? ofc you haven't, your country is not interested in teaching that.
A superbly done documentary,but it anger,s me something awful there,s no mention of the evil people who knowingly raised these poor children????? Why,why, why, is this ignored?
This is so heartbreaking, power to the Abuelas
Estela and Ignacio have the same smile! I'm glad she found him before it was too late
They will never stop, will they?
I wonder how many more people have been identified. Its been almost a decade since 2014.
Thank you, condor operation
A horrible crime
Its disapointing to see argentina go from one of the richest nations in the world with the highest GDP in the late 19th/early 20th century to then suddenly and drastically decline because of peronism to a brutal and cruel military dictatorship.
Read some history pls
Wow he looks exactly like his mom
Incredible horror, at the government's hands.
I wonder if governments would still try to pull this off in secret today? Scary🤤. I'm glad they were able to seek and find their grandchildren I hope all of them will be found and Justice will be served.
China and North Korea.
This keeps happening all around the world. Please open your eyes.
Luna Amore yes, and happening so right here in America ! Corrupt cover uppers of their crimes against us Americans tho. These evil ones messed with the wrong grandma's family. and they better hope my family is found by me ALIVE, and leave the other two I did find alone
Our government always hide all the bad things. is corrupt
What bothers me about this video is the statement that all people who have adopted have committed a crime. My parents adopted my sisters thinking they were helping babies who had no family. This is ridiculous.
they were illegally adopting children that had been taken from them parents
legally they adopted your sisters but the people who adopted these children adopted them illegally the world doesnt revolve around you
I had no idea this happened
This needs an update....were more grandchildren found??
Hi. I'm from Argentina and last month the 130th grandchild was found. It's always a wonderful thing when the news is released that someone else has recovered their identity.
Watch out America
This is for the English people who like to say: "you started the war so stop complaining". This war was in a way "created" by the government to distract people from this reality. Galtieri (i believe was the dictator by then), was losing popularity by that time and the crimes of the dictatorship were beginning to surface. He started this war, sent young adults (of no more than 18 years old) unprepared (because they weren't even soldiers) to fight against one of the world's biggest military armies. Meanwhile, the media lied to the people saying we "Were winning", people looked away from the issue of the missing people and Galtieri earned temporary stability.
i did not know this is gonna be related to dictatorship and i thought what gruesome inhumane acts were made and did happen during the time in my country when this situation also had happened before aside from the apparent symbols people use today to remember the events
I'll need to pay attention to what goes on at Antarctica Library of Congress and look at the pictures of
"Some of those taken were young pregnant women, kept alive until they gave birth, at least 500 of their babies were given to couples that were deemed sympathetic to the regime"
*shudders in Handmaid*
The writer actually said she got inspiration in this dicatorship to write the handmaids tale!
привет
Handmaid's Tale: Origin story.
This is so complicated and so messy. I really feel for the grandchildren. They discover that they were adopted, that they have grandparents, that their biological parents are dead and that the parents who raised them that they no doubt love received them from their parents' murderers for being supporters all at once. I do hope in some way they go somewhat lenient on the adoptive parents. What were they going to tell these thugs handing them a baby? No? They would be in a mass grave, too, because at that point they would know too much and would be seen as turning against the regime.
im watching this cause my professor said so
Never, not in my worse nightmares, did I think that the Argentine or the Chilean past could be Ukraine's future.
Lit
La sangre de madres es fuerte. Uno sabe y siente la concesión a los padres y abuelos.