you can't play eight lines at the same time (emotional 😢)

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  • čas přidán 27. 10. 2022
  • I wish I colored the voices differently, but alas, what you see is what you get.
    I would describe the first color as bronze. If you follow that bronze voice, you will see that it changes motifs every 4 measures. The other colors consistently follow this pattern, if you follow them individually, with the only exception being the marigold color used at the end.
    Video used:
    Marc-Andre Hamelin plays Charles-Valentin Alkan: Grande Sonate, 'Les quatre âges', Op.33, 30 ans
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Komentáře • 100

  • @Vincent_Xia
    @Vincent_Xia Před rokem +291

    This post is:
    ✔ Life changing ✔ Informative
    ✔ Inspiring ✔ Heartwarming
    ✔ Useful ✔calming ✔Enjoyable
    ✔ Other

  • @kingeye-yi6by
    @kingeye-yi6by Před rokem +56

    0:24 necessary gesture

  • @jackblackwhole
    @jackblackwhole Před rokem +44

    Saw Hamelin live a few years ago. It was a small theatre with a small group of audiences. The whole concert was a transcendent experience. One of the greatest pianist of recent times.

  • @stellacollector
    @stellacollector Před rokem +156

    ALKAN? Can we all agree that even in different video format, TheExarion introduces us some of the coolest pieces and performances ever?

    • @imdarealani
      @imdarealani Před rokem +15

      Not to take away from Exarion, but equal thanks to Hamelin. Without him, I would probably never know about composers like Alkan, Godowsky, Medtner, Feinberg, Sorabji, etc.

    • @stellacollector
      @stellacollector Před rokem

      @@imdarealani Yeah, right

    • @imdarealani
      @imdarealani Před rokem

      @@LisztAddict Cool music.

    • @dwacheopus
      @dwacheopus Před 10 měsíci

      Lol hanelin played alkan a alot

    • @dwacheopus
      @dwacheopus Před 10 měsíci

      Really sad he never recorded le preux

  • @teodorb.p.composer
    @teodorb.p.composer Před rokem +88

    Alkan is my most favourite composer and Hamelin is my most favourite pianist! Just perfect duo for me.

  • @leonardmartin6048
    @leonardmartin6048 Před 4 měsíci +6

    His technique and more importantly his musicality is just stunning. I heard him play the Concord Sonata and Ravels Gaspard de la nuit last week. Best experience ever!

  • @oliviobertolini88
    @oliviobertolini88 Před rokem +33

    This piece has to be one of the greatest compositions ever made, this sonata is God level.

  • @ZadokthePriest11
    @ZadokthePriest11 Před rokem +7

    Christ, Hamelin always taking virtuosic piano playing to another level

  • @lousassle9387
    @lousassle9387 Před rokem +12

    Alkan really did make some beautiful music. It would be a joy to hear it on a more mellow instrument like a period style piano.

  • @AnatoArchives
    @AnatoArchives Před rokem +22

    OMG 8 VOICE FUGUE VREY EMOTIONAL 😭😭😭

  • @azureNotsure
    @azureNotsure Před rokem +9

    *the brow wiping is a must

  • @j.dstumpy3566
    @j.dstumpy3566 Před rokem +1

    Loving all the hamelin content!

  • @mysterium364
    @mysterium364 Před rokem +2

    Marc-Andre Hamelin is probably my favorite pianist because he plays amazingly and he has a great 20'th century and modern repertoire.

  • @YuvalS.8026
    @YuvalS.8026 Před rokem +38

    Wow! That's extremely impressive, yet I have to be honest, I can't hear them all. Maybe I need to listen over and over but still, Hamelin is insane

    • @imdarealani
      @imdarealani Před rokem +5

      Each of the voices are colored in the score on the video. It's practically impossible to pay attention to all of the voices at once, but by looking at the score colors, you can try following a few.

    • @YuvalS.8026
      @YuvalS.8026 Před rokem +3

      @@imdarealani I've tried, I just can't seem to hear most of the inner voices. I can hear both the bass and melody just fine, and one under the melody. Yet between those I can't hear

    • @Varooooooom
      @Varooooooom Před rokem +3

      @@YuvalS.8026 MAH plays the fugue extremely quietly here, and the audio quality isn’t doing it any favors either - not to mention, Hamelin’s recording here isn’t perfect (although tbh, it’s still the best of the video recordings I was able to find, based solely on his technique). His Hyperion recording is available somewhere on CZcams, with sheet music. Outside of that, I’d say Mark Viner has a great performance of the fugue where you can hear everything with relative ease.

  • @imdarealani
    @imdarealani Před rokem +7

    Finally! The one I was hoping to see the most. (Besides Katsaris 64 2)

  • @dreamsdreams9493
    @dreamsdreams9493 Před rokem +13

    We have copious audiovisual evidence to affirm that MA Hamelin is the greatest piano virtuoso in the history of mankind. I remember chatting with him behind stage, that day he played Brahms' 2nd piano concerto with consummate ease. He is such a down-to-earth gentleman.

    • @griffin5734
      @griffin5734 Před měsícem

      You're all boring saying he or she is the best pianist in the world on absolutly all the video possible featuring any pianist. Start growing a bit honestly.

  • @JP-fp8uc
    @JP-fp8uc Před rokem +8

    Alkan literally modulated to 10 sharps, A# major/Fx minor

    • @rosiefay7283
      @rosiefay7283 Před rokem +5

      11 sharps: E# major.

    • @JP-fp8uc
      @JP-fp8uc Před rokem +2

      @@rosiefay7283 I saw Fx Cx Gx, and occasionally Dx. Chopin modulated to D# major in some pieces. I think no one beats Alkan's 11 sharps

    • @wilh3lmmusic
      @wilh3lmmusic Před rokem +3

      @@JP-fp8uc Reicha wrote a piece in B# major

    • @JP-fp8uc
      @JP-fp8uc Před rokem +1

      @@wilh3lmmusic interesting. Where can I find it?

    • @michaeledwards1172
      @michaeledwards1172 Před 4 měsíci

      @@JP-fp8ucThere's a set of fugues by Reicha on CZcams, with the score showing. He does some pretty weird things in those fugues, like a fugue subject consisting of one note being repeated a dozen or so times, a fugue in 5/8, answers to the subject at all sorts of weird intervals, including the tritone. I don't think there's a whole fugue in B# major, but one of the fugues does modulate to keys like that throughout its length, and it uses triple-sharps in one or two places.

  • @evifnoskcaj
    @evifnoskcaj Před 7 měsíci +1

    When Hamelin wipes his brow, you know shit is about to get REAL! ❤😂
    His flawless technique never ceases to amaze and astound. It's because of his incredibly relaxed and perfected technique that allow him to play anything (and improvise!) and make it look effortless.

  • @ianmoore5502
    @ianmoore5502 Před rokem +4

    Had this on my iPod NANO back when I was TEN years old haha. CZcams mp3 converter never forget

  • @mumps59
    @mumps59 Před rokem +3

    The wonders of Hamelin could go on and on...I'm just thankful I got to hear him live one time.

    • @borisaxelrod7411
      @borisaxelrod7411 Před 5 měsíci

      Я плакал, когда слушал его впервые, когда моя мечта исполнилась, он приехал Москву 😢

  • @ifmusicis
    @ifmusicis Před rokem +4

    I will never ever challenge this one😂

  • @fasanov123
    @fasanov123 Před rokem

    If anyone can do it, its MAH. Just an absolute genius

  • @collinm.4652
    @collinm.4652 Před rokem +1

    Hamelin 🤤

  • @johnchessant3012
    @johnchessant3012 Před rokem +1

    Alkan

  • @Pianistic_Jade
    @Pianistic_Jade Před rokem +2

    QUASI-ALKAN

  • @lossen1984
    @lossen1984 Před rokem +2

    Hamelin is a beast!!!

  • @musical_lolu4811
    @musical_lolu4811 Před rokem +2

    My goodness the technique! 0:24 lol😅

  • @MarincelFlavian
    @MarincelFlavian Před rokem +30

    Name of the piece?

    • @dzordzszs
      @dzordzszs Před rokem +36

      Alkan - Grand Sonata "Les Quatre Ages", Mov 2 "30 Ans" aka Quasi Faust

  • @PianoScoreVids
    @PianoScoreVids Před rokem +2

    i studied the piece up to this point. yikes

  • @CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji

    Unrelated, but I wish Katsaris recorded this work (and Alkan, in general).

    • @EntelSidious_gamzeylmz
      @EntelSidious_gamzeylmz Před rokem +1

      I particularly wish he did the op 39 symphony

    • @Whaijorhujishkomunyk
      @Whaijorhujishkomunyk Před 9 měsíci

      ​@@EntelSidious_gamzeylmzyeah

    • @LisztAddict
      @LisztAddict Před 5 měsíci

      In a perfect world cziffra and katsaris would record all of Alkan’s music

    • @therealransu
      @therealransu Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@LisztAddict Cziffra improvising Alkan is wild

    • @LisztAddict
      @LisztAddict Před 5 měsíci

      @@therealransu yes 😍😍😍😍

  • @ronl7131
    @ronl7131 Před rokem +1

    MAH…..SuperDuper Artistry

  • @astian_sebus
    @astian_sebus Před rokem +6

    Imagine playing organ, having two feets to play two lines. 8 voices are way easier (if you have the coordination). Imagine your name being Bach and being able to improvise these 8 lines independentely.

  • @composerjalen
    @composerjalen Před rokem +1

    Hammy

  • @4candles
    @4candles Před 5 měsíci +1

    Hamelin is one of the greatest pianists of the modern era - I love many of his recordings and interpretations, but to me his Alkan is often too fast. From the recordings I've heard, my personal favourites are those by Mark Viner and Ronald Smith.

  • @ChrisBreemer
    @ChrisBreemer Před 5 měsíci

    Raymond Lewenthal, in his pioneering Alkan album, claimed that to play this fugue you have to be two octopi and a squid. He counted NINE parts in total, which I have never checked as this section is an absolute nightmare and you are lucky to get out alive. Of course Hamelin is the man for the job - if he had more fingers he could probably play even more simultaneous voices and still let all of them sing. I don't care for the way he bashes through the surrounding sections here though.

  • @Markin0721
    @Markin0721 Před rokem +1

    알캉 30대 푸가는 전설이다...

  • @LisztAddict
    @LisztAddict Před rokem

    Emotional LMAO

  • @bloba6969
    @bloba6969 Před rokem +2

    My favorite part is when I read, written on the sheet, "It's Alkanin' time". As soon as I read the gracious warning, or dare I say the surprising spoiler, I was filled to the brim with overwhelming joy and ecstasy. What followed was one of the most memorable moments in my entire life.

  • @lighting7508
    @lighting7508 Před rokem +5

    It’s super cool intellectually but in reality it’s too much to listen to at once 😅

    • @TheExarion
      @TheExarion  Před rokem +14

      I think that’s kinda the point of it. So this piece is the 2nd movement in Alkan’s Sonata, entitled “Les Quatre Ages” (or “The Four Ages”). There are four movements, corresponding to a man’s experience during his 20’s, 30’s, 40’s, and 50’s. (Fun fact: This sonata was dedicated to Alkan’s father who passed away 8 years after the score’s creation.)
      This movement corresponds to a man’s 30’s, and is easily (imo) the movement with the most to say, which makes me believe that Alkan thought that one’s 30’s is where they encounter the most existential crises and has to break away from the temptations of the devil (hence why the nickname he gave this movement is “Quasi Faust”; according to Wikipedia, “Faust is the protagonist of a classic German legend based on the historical Johann Georg Faust… [who was] highly successful yet dissatisfied with his life, which leads him to make a pact with the Devil at a crossroads, exchanging his soul for unlimited knowledge and worldly pleasures.”)
      I find this fugue to be something of a meditation on sins/past experiences - which can be an overwhelming experience for anyone who’s earnest about it - before true enlightenment is achieved. Notice at 1:35, Alkan ascribes “Le Seigneur” (“The Lord”) to the low bass notes after this meditation is over. Very intentional. Not just that, but the topmost line of chords in the treble clef at 1:35 imitate the subject of the fugue. The other chords in the treble imitate the bass voice introduced at 0:58. And the topmost chords in the bass clef at 1:35 imitate the voice introduced at 0:40. So, imo, there’s a suggestion that the experiences that received reflection during the fugue are being shown in a powerful and much clearer light once this man aligns himself with God (I’m not a religious person btw, I’m just talking in context of the musical writing).
      So is this fugue overwhelming? Absolutely, but not without artistic purpose! :)

    • @lighting7508
      @lighting7508 Před rokem +6

      @@TheExarion oh that’s super cool! 😯 thanks for taking the time to explain 🙏

  • @Chrisdvc26
    @Chrisdvc26 Před rokem

    I love how the composer's name isn't mentioned in the description at all

    • @TheExarion
      @TheExarion  Před rokem +1

      Oh shoot, thank you for bringing that to my attention! Fixed now.

    • @Chrisdvc26
      @Chrisdvc26 Před rokem +1

      @@TheExarion Sorry, I didn't mean to be a dick haha

  • @carlosguaymas6507
    @carlosguaymas6507 Před rokem +1

    Se decía de Alkan que tenía manos de una extensión asombrosa. Mostraba sus manos orgullosamente y decía "cuero, mira como se estira" y que tenía tanta fuerza en los dedos que no necesitaba levantar los brazos mientras que Lizst debía trabajar desde los suyos para lograr efectos orquestales. También que Rubinstein (Anton) empezó a estudiar la obra de Alkan y la dejó porque según dijo "se basaba en una extensión anormal de la mano"

  • @Whaijorhujishkomunyk
    @Whaijorhujishkomunyk Před rokem +2

    If you count the repeated it's 11 voices

  • @adrianhenkel3223
    @adrianhenkel3223 Před rokem +1

    I didn’t count 8 lines bro. Only if the definition of line means simultaneous notes sounding 😅

    • @GUILLOM
      @GUILLOM Před rokem +4

      At 1:25 there are clearly 8 voices

    • @TheExarion
      @TheExarion  Před rokem +3

      “Line” in this case loosely means “new musical motif being introduced in the piece”. If you follow the color-coded sheet music I made, then you’ll hopefully see what I mean when I talk about lines (and you can even count the colors). Outside of that, I really don’t know how to make it simpler to understand.

    • @ejb7969
      @ejb7969 Před rokem

      @@TheExarion You could rewrite it on 8 staves ...

    • @TheExarion
      @TheExarion  Před rokem

      nah. at that point I would just want to hear a string octet play it.

    • @adrianopiano5551
      @adrianopiano5551 Před rokem

      @@TheExarion Do you count the thirds as one or two lines, now I counted 7 😅🤯

  • @Eliascmd
    @Eliascmd Před rokem +2

    I have to say, there’s no purpose nor joy in trying to perfect such piece 🎃

    • @GUILLOM
      @GUILLOM Před rokem +10

      ok

    • @ejb7969
      @ejb7969 Před rokem +7

      No, you really don't have to say that. There's no purpose nor joy in your saying such thing.

  • @arielorthmann4061
    @arielorthmann4061 Před rokem

    I'm still not sure if the reason Alkan is so rarely played is because there's so much waste in his compositions or because they're too hard.

    • @TheExarion
      @TheExarion  Před rokem +2

      Alkan has many pieces rich in music out there (e.g. Op.15, Op.76, many works in Op.35 and 39, and his most musical set imo, Op.63). Much of it is forebodingly difficult (probably unintentionally so; I doubt Alkan wrote anything solely for the sake of difficulty - except for his more academic stuff, like the etudes for feet alone), but many of his works are quite accessible too. Not just that, but many of his works are also incredibly artistic - including the one I posted in this video. He has two pieces about wind (Op.15 No.2 and Op.39 No.1), one about the railroad (Op.27, Le chemin de fer), this sonata about a man in his 20's, 30's, 40's, and 50's (Op.33, Les Quatre de Ages), a nocturne about a cricket (Op.60bis), etc. etc. Say what you will about his musicality, but the man was abundant with ideas - especially ideas on how to translate poetic concepts into piano music.
      As far as "waste" goes, I can assure you that the segment I highlighted in this video is nothing of that sort. From another comment I left:
      This piece is the 2nd movement in Alkan’s Sonata, entitled “Les Quatre Ages” (or “The Four Ages”). There are four movements, corresponding to a man’s experience during his 20’s, 30’s, 40’s, and 50’s. (Fun fact: This sonata was dedicated to Alkan’s father who passed away 8 years after the score’s creation.)
      This movement corresponds to a man’s 30’s, and is easily (imo) the movement with the most to say, which makes me believe that Alkan thought that one’s 30’s is where they encounter the most existential crises and has to break away from the temptations of the devil (hence why the nickname he gave this movement is “Quasi Faust”; according to Wikipedia, “Faust is the protagonist of a classic German legend based on the historical Johann Georg Faust… [who was] highly successful yet dissatisfied with his life, which leads him to make a pact with the Devil at a crossroads, exchanging his soul for unlimited knowledge and worldly pleasures.”
      I find this fugue to be something of a meditation on sins/past experiences - which can be an overwhelming experience for anyone who’s earnest about it - before true enlightenment is achieved. Notice at 1:35, Alkan ascribes “Le Seigneur” (“The Lord”) to the low bass notes after this meditation is over. Very intentional. Not just that, but the topmost line of chords in the treble clef at 1:35 imitate the subject of the fugue. The other chords in the treble imitate the bass voice introduced at 0:58. And the topmost chords in the bass clef at 1:35 imitate the voice introduced at 0:40. So, imo, there’s a suggestion that the experiences that received reflection during the fugue are being shown in a powerful and much clearer light once this man aligns himself with God (I’m not a religious person btw, I’m just talking in context of the musical writing).
      So is this fugue overwhelming? Absolutely, but I would be hard-pressed to call it a waste of any sort.

    • @arielorthmann4061
      @arielorthmann4061 Před rokem +1

      @@TheExarion I know Alkan's works very well, he's a wonderful composer whom I like a lot. I didn't say the passage in the video was a waste, the sonata Les Quatres Ages is amazing, however it's hard to deny a lot of Alkan's compositions aren't at that level (the prime exemple being his Allegro Barbaro). It's not big of a problem though, a lot of composers have a big or small part of waste in their catalogue (Mozart or Tchaikovsky for example) yet they are still top rank composers

    • @TheExarion
      @TheExarion  Před rokem

      @@arielorthmann4061 Ahhh, I see I see. Yeah, then I would say that, generally speaking, the difficulty (or perceived difficulty) of many of his works is what prevents him from being more popular in modern times.
      EDIT: I am also reminded of a remark I've heard several times over the years: "The musicality of Alkan's music is not worth the difficulty." An overall subjective statement of course.

  • @jazzeffectgroup8372
    @jazzeffectgroup8372 Před rokem

    oh this hurts my ears. Sounds too erratic. There are pianists who dont show off and make truly beautiful music unlike this one. At least this person could have checked out what the results would be before commiting such blatant atrocity on stage!! .. .. .. sorry,just had to speak for all the sad,lonely oppressed trolls who have too much time on their hands. This work, interpretation and expression is pure bliss. I have to press play every time it finishes..thanks!

  • @bartwatts1921
    @bartwatts1921 Před rokem

    There are not 8 lines there are 8 voices on two lines.

    • @TheExarion
      @TheExarion  Před rokem +2

      oops my definition of lines for the purpose of this video is different than yours
      edit: also what you call “lines”, I call “staves”

    • @AsrielKujo
      @AsrielKujo Před rokem +9

      actually no, you're incorrect, there are ten lines, five on each stave.

    • @imdarealani
      @imdarealani Před rokem +1

      @@AsrielKujo Lmao.