Why I Burned the Vaush Bridge - Debate w/ Xanderhal
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- Date streamed: 9/14/2020
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Vaush
08:36 - Clip on Twitter
17:36 - Vaush's Responsibility
24:54 - Relationship with Vaush
30:09 - Online Leftists Communities
35:18 - Vaush's Community
52:38 - Vaush's Website
54:19 - "Nuclear" Against Lefties
57:26 - Vaush's Community's Opinion
01:09:34 - Xanderhal on Rioters
01:19:49 - Talk is Cheap
01:23:31 - Burning Leftist Bridges
01:29:47 - RadicalReviewer
01:39:20 - Online Politics
01:49:03 - Conclusion
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It’s very brave of Destiny to show his solidarity for small business owners who lost their businesses to rioting, by torching his own business
WAYTOODANK
nate mugambi sports riots aren’t this big or last this long though
He’ll be fine
@@therussiantrollnetwork7464 he lost his partnership because of the things he said
@@n8m102 that destroy this many buildings? Look at M Tracy channel for large number of cities devastated.
Minneapolis will take decades to recover.
No comparison.
He sounds like he’s trying to keep his divorcing parents together.
21yrs old... Probably thinks he can?
His actual parents are divorced
Lmao that's pethetic
@@estradiolvalerate8925 😭😭😭😭 i don't wanna laugh
I am also guilty and I don’t care. Vaush and up until the last few months Destiny were the most competent political streamers, I’m not letting this go 🥺✨
Some of the best parts of this stream is when xanderthal injects his small talk into the conversation to try to calm Destiny down like he's some sort of therapist and Destiny is obviously like wtf is he doing but goes along with it anyway.
Think this entire discussion was more destiny venting his frustration.
Not surprising your man would go full deescalation
@gotsda aha or you know.. xanderhal is put on edge by the (albeit understandable) unending aggression throughout the talk. I think it's warranted to awkwardly make small talk to try and gauge how genuinely upset the party is at you.
@gotsda nah he just did a bad job of trying to calm things down
@gotsda Why are you so triggered? Can't you be more rational?
@@Greyz174 Oh, really? Then, what would you have done in his stead? It's easy to judge from the outside, especially if you are incable of putting yourself in the shoes of the person you are critiquing. That's how you end up with baseless claims such as yours.
*destiny and xanderhal having heated discussion*
xanderhal: "Nice, my girlfriend just got me McDonald"
Great socialist hope everyone.
“Whoa, chicken nuggies! Thanks Momrade!”
He's okay, but anyone calling chicken nuggets "nuggies" is cringe.
@@sudafedup nuggies
@@oloneyzzz5812 *shivers*
The writers for this season have really gone all out on the Darkstiny arc, damn.
Haha destiny life like anime
The unoriginality of this comment boggles the mind.
@@mypartyisprivate8693 and your input added so much to the conversation :/
I cant wait to see the next season. Rumour has it it's going to a whole new level
@@vicariouschism86 You're being sarcastic but it really did, though.
I’ve watched hours of streams from destiny and I still don’t understand factorio fully
These tutorials are pretty weird to be fair
haha same
I can’t be the only one who has almost never noticed what Destiny was doing in the games while he was talking politics 😂
@@Sprite_525 I don't even know what games he plays tbh
@TheEsotericZebra the best and worst part is automating the production of one part, to then try and use it as a mat to automate the production of another part, and driving your need for fully efficient supply lines crazy.
Watching Xanderhal be verbally torn to shreds by his surrogate father is just beautiful.
Lol
Very tragic. It’s like when Tony finally killed his protégé Christopher.
@@galleryofroguesYa know..Quasimodo predicted dis..
I like Xander but he always strikes me as a little kid putting on his dad's suit, going to his dad's work, and using big words to pass off as his dad.
Yeah, he is too tryhard and performative at times.
Jeffrey Canzani thats uncharitable, he’s just young.
He's cool.
@Jeff this comment becomes more and more true as the day goes on.
Xander has always struck me as an amorphous talking point
only a few more bridges to go and steven will have his own private island!
😂😂
😮😮😮😮😮
lmao
XD
There's plenty of room here on centrist isle for people that still have some common sense. 🤷♂️
Very cool gameplay Destiny however the instructions weren't really clear regarding Factorio I wish you explained the hard part a bit better but your gameplay was really instructive despite the strange conversation in the back that was a bit too loud for me. Thanks.
Same here, that's why I mute the gameplay videos and use my own music
10 people found this review helpful.
What is the game he’s playing called
@@elliotbou8731 Factorio
Worst tutorial ever.
I think Destiny genuinely needs some time off from streaming to relax and destress. It feels like he's locked into that "the whole world's against me" mentality, and no matter how much he says he doesn't care, it's clear it does have an effect on him.
Because 9 times out of 10 when somebody says they don't care, they do, in fact, care.
@@themonroe654hd6 i don't care.
@@silasg3650 Nice meme.
Destiny is unironically turning into Sargon haha
I mean, when LARPing online pseudo-socialists bring the stupidest argument I have seen from lefties in my life, it becomes quite clear why he is the way he is. Most people would have committed suicide when they were in his position.
Watching Xanderhal talk to Destiny about Vaush is like watching a distraught kid hopelessly try to reunite his divorced parents.
Sad but true 😔
Dad and adopted son are fighting, I’m in tears...
Xanderhal is his estranged grandson
I can see why the original parents gave him up
Yep. I've been there.
Linguini xanderhal is the kid that got too attached to to the mall santa and is being creepy about it
What's the age difference vaush and destiny?
Destiny says he doesn't care but honestly he just seems hurt
Chris Cryer It seemed that way with the Hasan stuff I feel like. They got along really well originally. Sad that had to happen. I don’t really watch Hasan or Destiny’s stream but I’ve watched a lot of their content and can appreciate both of them.
h'es kind of sort of lost a significant revenue stream
Dirk Dingle What did Vaughn do?
@Dirk Dingle How does Vaush proves that?
@@aquidillion how about having no balls to stand up to his roommate and girlfriend who treat his "friend", the guy who support him so much and build him, to have him lose his partnership?
Xanderhal is doing the toxic "Come back to our family, even if you don't fundamentally agree with anything your family says or does, they're family" thing and I hate it. Well-meaning people do this a lot and it's shitty. I haven't really picked a side, but nothing Xanderhal says here makes sense.
I totally disagree. Huge Destiny fan, he is my favorite political commentator of all time, but this is pretty simple - he is responsible for the crap that he says. He doesn't seem like he really wants to take responsibility for it.
@@johnnysack3673 take responsibility for what?
I disagree SO much on SO many things with Destiny but man... Credit where credit is due. This guy is consistent and is willing to die on a hill at great cost to himself. I respect this man A LOT. The left is just fucking insane.
Yea I mean the other guy believes that anyone on the right is straight up nazi
@@Hello-ig1px na he’s probably just saying it because it’s true
@@Hello-ig1px destiny is consistent. you dont have to chase destiny to see what he believes. insane lefties like vaush are reactionary.
Yea, you guys are pretty nuts.
@@bobzombie2710shut up conservative
Destiny, a Haiku
_Gazed into the void_
_All his bridges set ablaze_
_Online Sisyphus_
*"Destiny, The Lone Void Watcher"*
Vaush simped for Hyena
Destiny thought he was cool
Oof, ow, un-partnered
@@kessler2797
Hyena has 3 syllables. Or am I hearing it wrong.
furyberserk High Ee Nuh
furyberserk you’re right but apparently there’s disagreement
Xan is like that kid trying to stop his parents from divourcing
@@user-gc1wj8tt2p when did he admit that?
@@user-gc1wj8tt2p what
@@user-gc1wj8tt2p man, you think if he did you'd show a timestamp to a video, tweet or any kind of evidence.
czcams.com/video/ou07VLqDYHM/video.html
39:50 "This isn't about you" has the same energy as "the divorce is not your fault, son"
"The guy let me down and I no longer want to be his friend".
"Here's why you're wrong".
I think it's a dumb idea to debate destiny on his criteria for friendship. kinda pointless.
yeah cause there's no objective correct answer so it's like debating fucking philosophy
Dave I mean expecting a friend to break up with their girlfriend just because she made one comment you didn’t like is objective insane no matter how you look at it.
@@ivanivanovichrasputin3098 yeah because his gf just "said something you dont like" rather than literally trying to make you banned or smth
Christian Sianipar She literally made a passing comment that was the most reasonable comment anyone would make after watching him say that he wishes right wing terrorists would just shoot protesters who beat up those poor buildings. He literally said property is more important than human lives. If a friend wanted me to break up with my girlfriend because she asked how he’s not banned for saying something like that, I’d end that friendship right there. That is sociopathic behavior.
Ivan Ivanovich Rasputin Yes, this is why he clearly states he is adhd and probably expects to much from people.
This sucks but destiny will be fine. I've never watched his Twitch stuff I've been here on CZcams watching him for the past 3 years. There are more people here on CZcams anyway
Amen brudah haahaha CZcams lurkers unite
Won't he get banned for not censoring himself though? It will ruin debates. Replies would be fine though.
But it’s easier to receive money per subscribers on twitch than it is on youtube though, right? I don’t use twitch neither
@@Faranhype
Spot on, also more money too.
On CZcams he'll be aiming for super chats for cash
@Trinmigular shrobatorli he already has/had a job.
why is he talking about his "character arc" like hes an NPC?
It's a meme from Destiny's community. Typically once he gets into a big conversation about a heated topic it turns into multiple debates as they drill deeper into the subject matter or he continues to defend his position from multiple people. So people jokingly refer to these periods as arcs or seasons.
@@kmatt2335 pretty sure it originated from iceposiden community
Its a meme dude don;t think to much about it.
It's a meme, basically the political spectrum of the galaxy 2 is the most important thing to do in the world of the world but always acts like a fishhook and centrist basically being nazis in the polls and the underworld of the world.
Dale Ritter I think your looking to much into it
Saying "Vaushes community likes you, especially after that debate" is no different than me sitting here saying "Sargons, Tim Pools, and Styxs' community likes Destiny because he's against the rioters."
There's a difference between liking something they've said, and liking _them._
@Jeffrey Canzani i listen to all of these people but vaush just seems like an angry kid. Not like a 7 year old, but a 15 year old with a lot of anger who isnt sure how or where to direct that anger
I'm a sargon fan and sometimes listen to Tim, never much watched destiny. I just considered him to be a stereotypical left wing progressive. I just got introduced into him with the rittenhouse situation, and while I disagree with him on a lot of political areas. I will defend his right to say it.
I like Destiny and I came entirely from Vaush’s community.
These kinds of character arcs are allways the really sad ones
Yes but that is why I love them so.
Nah this is the best content
Vaush was always cringeworthy
Stoked Vaush is a parasite.
@Dr Zoidberg Every single debate between all of these people, regardless of what beliefs they may or may not hold, is built around disagreement, not consensus building. Disagreement is far better for views
I hate how both vaush and destiny are done with each other their convos were pretty damn entertaining
@Joseph unCringe
They fucking were though. Same thing with Hasan its so entertaining to watch him and destiny talk its just sad they dont talk anymore.
Agreed, doesn't seem like the kind of thing that's just going to blow over eventually either
If you notice, Destiny already said he “might actually talk to Vaush again someday,” after saying he’d never talk to him the day before. It’s terrible all around. The only move is to let Destiny freak out the way lots of us would freak out if we lost our child’s education fund in a single day, frame it how you wish. I hold out faith that they’ll talk again and that it’ll eventually even out, though not likely the same as it was in the past.
no
The majority of Vaush's community absolutely hate Destiny. I watch him more than Destiny and some of the stuff I see in the chat is wild.
I mean, to be fair, is Destiny not worthy of a little derision? He's egotistical, nasty, and quick to anger to an almost comedic degree.
@@deoxyribomorph99 Yep.
This whole presentation from Xanderhal was fucking pathetic. Steven is a disgusting egofreak that clearly feels small. This isn't about anything other than Steven feeling slighted because people had the audacity to think and believe his take to be revealing of his true ignorant nature.
He thinks he's an expert on every subject and called Ben Burgis and Micheal Brooks dumb by extension of insulting their contributions to the conversation he had with them. Extremely shallow to such a nauseatingly embarrassing extent.
@@deoxyribomorph99 he's an egotistical man-child that is enamoured with sniffing his own farts. He's a holier-than-thou prick.
Woah shocker a lefty community hates a guy who consistently shits on them. Like if you spend your stream constantly shitting on lefties, are lefties NOT supposed to shit talk you? Is that how the internet works now???
Klopdike he shits on everyone though. Pretty sure those same lefties were on his side when he agreed with them, but the second you criticize these people/don’t agree with them, you’re automatically the enemy
I think an interesting thing to add is that Vaush is highly responsible for the way his community negatively acts towards Destiny, though perhaps not intentionally. If anyone has followed Vaush for the past few months, Vaush will sometimes describe Destiny as falling towards the right. He'll say things like "If you compare what Destiny has said 2 years ago compared to what he says today, you'll see a stark difference" implying that Destiny is becoming more of a conservative.
What's probably happening is that Destiny was soft to his leftist audience for a long time and Destiny made a conscious decision to go against his lefty fanbase rather than actually shift rightward. The narrative that "Destiny is falling towards the right" probably has a strong influence on Vaush's community's opinion on Destiny, especially when his takes are perceived to be that way (even if they aren't). So, whenever Destiny is clipped out of context or whenever he's perceived to be shifting towards the right, there's often a visceral reaction from these communities. I don't suspect these are collectively inspired from hatred itself, but rather a mixture of concern, disappointment, community divide, and yes, hate is in there too. I think this narrative is powerful in influencing how these people (including a lot of people in Destiny's community) often respond to Destiny's takes whereas when Vaush does something similar, it's often accepted as nothing more than a display of bad optics like when everybody used to spam the NEAT emote. There was no underlying narrative there to sort of poison the well.
So yeah, Vaush is a pretty big culprit in how his community negatively reacts to Destiny a lot of the times, despite it not being intentional. I just think this is an important caveat to consider when we're dealing with why Destiny is seemingly treated differently than Vaush for similar blunders.
It might be worthwhile for Destiny to address this narrative if he hasn't already. I'm not mega-proactive in all the shit that goes on but I can still pick up on the sort of overarching ideas that influence people's tweets and all that jazz.
This ignores the fact that destiny has a long history of burning bridges and getting himself u to trouble by speaking before thinking. Even way back during his SC2 days he kept getting fired for his behaviour. It’s basically a pattern of behaviour our at this point and I think it is ridiculous to try and blame Vaush or anyone else at this point.
@@hermithouse Vaush and Destiny have both gotten flak for some of their previous behaviour. I'm not touching on how Twitch, CZcams etc have treated either content creators. I'm looking at the difference in how both communities perceive Destiny and Vaush, and why I think this narrative, regardless of whether or not it's actually true, probably influences people's perception of them. Vaush gives similarly hot takes and is also similarly clipped out of context (for instance, the Marvel movie joke) yet we don't see the same degree of backlash within Vaush's community.
I disagree. For one, Desiny does act differently these days, the calm, methodical debates which made me really like him are very rare now.
Vaush was also very charitable towards Destiny lot of the time, the occasional jabs what you referred in your comment definitely weren’t harsh enough to push people to dislike him especially if you knew the context of their relationship.
@@wisetrollman I don't even think those were intentionally meant to be jabs. I'm pretty certain Vaush is strong and genuine in his belief that Destiny is moving rightward politically. I think the existing narrative has a strong influence in how Destiny/Vaush's fans react to him. It's the underlying idea that Destiny is becoming reactionary/conservative and any indication of that would resort in greater backlash compared to any hot take that Vaush gives.
@@Suprcow96 1. Vaush constantly says almost verbatim after every conversation "i may not agree with destiny, but he is very important to the left". and he has almost never insinuated that he was moving towards the right. im pretty sure he literally said otherwise when it was brought up in his chat. Vaush simps for destiny more times than not.
2. EVERY, okay most of the interaction that destiny has had with vaushs fanbase has been very hostile. Destiny routinely comes on to vaushes chat whith people who have built a parasocial relationship with vaush and belittle his intelligence. in an earlier stream vaush said he was going to cease talking to destiny because he was so patronizing. Destiny never had a good foundation with any fan of vaush that wasnt already a fan of destiny. It doesnt matter what vaush says, it doesnt matter what destiny says, the hatred for destiny by vaush's newer fanbase is largely on destiny for only making a bad impression. how the fuck else are they supposed to see him but in a negative light?
Destiny's patience when trying to get an answer of "What do you do when right now people are burning down peoples businesses? Do the owners let it happen? Or take up arms to defend their livelihoods?" is fucking unparalleled. And what's even more maddening is the guy obviously knows the answer to this, but he's afraid to answer it, so he deflects to this and that irrelevant talking point to try and escape.
Ths thing is, he's not afraid to answer it, it's just that he's socially aware and knows his position is extremely unpalatable to anyone with a brain and so he tries to run from it.
@@justliving920 One thing leads to another. If he wasn't afraid of giving the unpalatable answer, he would just give it. But he's afraid of what it would do to his image giving it, so he doesn't.
@@justliving920 “he’s not afraid of answering it, he’s just afraid of answering it” lol
Xanderhal: Mom, dad, please stop fighting.
as a Xanderhal fan, this is actually kinda true
Someone should toss them a knife. Domestic violence is hella entertaining.
@@wisemage0 Sorry, i dont get that reference, elaborate please.
@@Imperial_Squid My expectations were set too high, ok.
@@Dhruvbala bro, you're a fan of a copy of a copy. How are you able to tolerate that without dying of cringe?
man, i remained a fan of you even during the peak of the leftie drama, and i know maybe i'm the minority in Vaush and Xanderhal's audience, but even when your opinions get me heated, i would never report you for some shit like this. granted, i've had days where i wish soda would spill on your keyboard, but otherwise i always admired you.
even when i get really frustrated watching you, i still keep coming back, because i know that you typically give reliable and well thought takes most of the time. liberal or not, you genuinely do more good than not, and i'm deeply sorry this de-partnership happened and i hope there is some chance you can appeal it.
i'm sorry, Steven, i wish you the best.
@@deeky1239 Did his comments really broke Twitch TOS? I'm being sincere I don't know much about Twitch's TOS. If he did break the TOS, why is he getting upset that people are reporting it?
@@WhoBlah21 And then you remember that 1. Social media platforms dont give you the reason why they banned you 2. will ban people based on out of context snippets and 3. care more about optics than their own TOS.
And to answer your question: Because he got banned from twitch without any good reason because people reported him to bring down his likelihood.
"Hey, I'll rewatch this in the background." *Destiny asks about engines and i look at the screen remembering the factorio arc and realizing how long its been*
Destiny is completely right on this one. Even if he went "nuclear" it's totally justified, what happened to him was totally fucked up.
Remember burning bridges is a metaphor, burning businesses is arson
Cringe
Godu Video cringe
Based
This is the plot synopsis of this sad arc
And killing arsonists is perfectly justificable.
*Implies Destiny is Racist*
"I'm sorry for my phraseology."
Destiny: How old are you?
Xan: 21
Destiny: ah, alright, I forgive all of this
Me, a fellow 21yr old: That genuinely made me laugh
When I was 21 I was dumb af. But I'm 43 and I know people my own age who are still dumb af.
people under the age of 25 shouldn't be making political vids or voting.
@@jordydrop I’d be ok with that, as long as they raise the enlistment age to 25 too. If you don’t want 18-24 year olds to vote, which is the most basic civil right we have, they shouldn’t be allowed to die in a war either
@@gallowglassblood just change your sex then you won’t have to fight and die.
@@smokydave hey don't forget, you're still dumb as fuck too.
We all are man.
I’m hung up on how destiny keeps talking about how vaush shouldn’t let people do this to a FRIEND. I have never perceived what goes on between vaush and destiny as friendship.
Me neither, but they might have more interactions that aren't public.
Yeah it's a pretty strange dynamic there
Destiny took it pretty personally
You missed out on a lot then as Vaush used to go by Irishladdie and used to be on Destiny's stream quite often.
Well then I guess breaking off the 'friendship' was the correct decision.
I found your channel through Vaush's, so I'd be an example of someone who is his fan and likes your content. I may be the extreme minority though.
I'm the other way around but I feel you
I found Vaush through Xanderhal, and had known Destiny for years, but I watch him less than the other two. I don't know why he's so mad about Vaush fans not praising him all the time when the only real reason to bring him up is when he does something dumb. Of course I'm going to be upset with him because I respect him and expect better of him.
Wish I could check your Twitter or Reddit :D It's very likely that you yourself partook in the smear campaign
JJack you realize your doing the exact same thing destiny is right? Of course you do that’s why your doing it
Plus his criticsm of Xander using the height of their tag team is bad proof, but then goes to VaushV sub reddit during this height of current hate towards Destiny as proof.
Wait. Saying people defending their business and/or city against rioters by any means if they won't leave with warnings is controversial? That's fucked
I think what destiny said in that clip was a bit different
Out of all the debates I've watched, this is the first time I've ever heard Destiny directly say "Fuck you!" to the other person.
i’m not sure why xanderhal got involved in this, he basically was acting as vaush’s lawyer without having a strong defense of anything.
Because Destiny won't talk to Vaush so he can't defend himself, Destiny wouldn't even watch his video.
@@CloppingIsMyThing I watched that video, there's nothing worth watching. In fact I wish I'd get that time of my life back.
I watched that video it was so good that all of our history books have to be thrown out now because everything else has been relegated to a footnote
@@CloppingIsMyThing Vaush's video was fucking worthless fodder for people who already agree with him. Destiny was 100% right to not bother watching that filth.
Danny Gelbart TRUE this was bad on both sides. xan was being overly passive cause he likes destiny, destiny was just having a temper tantrum, and chat was being absolute dipshits
"I might be a sociopath"
This is the most self-aware I've seen from Destiny in ages.
@@synchronium24 onion peru versace wheel
@@synchronium24 objective empathy... What?
@@synchronium24 wasn't aware of that but that makes sense. Oddly enough that makes me more sympathetic towards him, since it is unreasonable on my part to expect empathy and understanding on his part if he's clinically incapable of that.
@@synchronium24 what the hell does he even mean by "objective" empathy? Is that like cognitive empathy? Affective?
If he cant experience affective empathy he would be a sociopath. Im not convinced thats the case even if he thinks so.
Doesn't he say that stuff a lot?
Im surprised Destiny had the patience to let this conversation go on so long.
He seems to have a soft-spot for Xan
He proved his point; him being a fan of destiny checked the context of the situation, something vaush’s community either didn’t do or ignored because they’re deluded and bigoted
WE'RE LOOOOOOOOPING
you spin me right round baby
Why not speedrun logistics instead of building a setup with 13 blues using belts?
Amen mate someone making the real comments
Maybe his objective is blues from belts.
finally asking the real questions
Why is this dude arguing so hard for Destiny to reconfirm his friendship with Vaush???
If you see some of his videos, you can see that Vaush and Destiny played a great part in leading him out of the alt-right rabbit hole, as well as in building his audience
@@sub-harmonik green 19 year old here, glad to know interpersonal relationships are for naive children.
Because we just want everyone to be happy
Because Xanderhal is a discord/reddit brainwashed leftist zombie who is projecting his need to have gay parents onto Destiny and Vaush, who he wants to get back together. He idolizes a cuck and a confirmed discord groomer.
I'm with Destiny on this one. It's not like some random person posted that clip of his rant (out of context). It was literally Vaush's girlfriend and roommate. Yeah, I'd burn that bridge too. I feel bad for him. :/
EDIT: Also, as a left leaning person myself, I am beyond sick and tired of how toxic and utterly stupid the online Left is. They're no better than the idiot asshole conservatives on the Internet and this toxicity needs to be addressed. The idea that it's a "vocal minority" is such bullshit. This was the same excuse used during Gamergate. I didn't buy it then, I don't buy it now.
True. Everytime i talk to someone and they tell me they do no real life activism or studying etc etc i just get confused and wonder how the fuck they are able to have any opinion at all.
It’s so retarded, literally the same infighting that happens between paleoconservatives and fascists in the dissident right.
@@zarlei6048 Word
@@zarlei6048 Well gee whizz, its almost like this whole left right thing is bullshit and its really just idiots playing sides because it makes them feel good.
Whoda thunk it?
False equivalencies
Man I feel like I was looping for the enteriety of this debate
Heart been broke so many times Iiiiiiiii don't know what to believe
mama said it's my fault. it's my fault I wear my heart on my sleeee eeeve
Think it's best I put my heart on ice, heart on ice, it's gettin the best of me
While in the cell with Lil Hakeem after I slapped him
I don't know how you get down with them clowns but I'm a soldier
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I don’t understand this why is he being begged by somebody for his friendship with a whole different person?
because vaush cant be on twitch even as a guest
This was just a stream of a failed attempt to do damage control by xanderhal.
Failed, because his arguments and logic both suck.
Cody Smith 🤓👆🤓👆🤓👆
@@codysmith3856 It was hard to watch. Bad argument after bad argument. It was like watching a lunatic surgeon sow up a wound just to stab it open again.
this guys speech is 95% preamble
"I think you will agree with this"... spoiler alert, he didn't, hahaha
i liked it when destiny snapped at him "MAN the fuck up and make a choice where you stand on this issue, regarding your rights of protecting your property from rioters" Destiny was tired of preambles and general non committing to a stance
@@Zgembo121 it's the very character of Xanderhal, honestly. The more I look at the guy, the more I learn he doesn't know what he's doing and adopts political labels just because without actually embodying and knowing the definitions. The guy doesn't know himself and his advocacy, period
So all of this started when Destiny forgot to add ".... in Minecarft" to his comment about looting and/or protesting?
I see what you did there
"in a video game"
WEKKY
Idk if “comment about looting/protesting”
Is really an honest characterization of Destiny saying he straight-up endorses the murder of rioters who burn property..
Seems like you’re being a tad bit disingenuous.
@Dirk Dingle Advocating for violence is wrong. He could advocate for defense of property without "blessing" what are mostly terroristic acts. Having a gun to defend your business is a whole world away from getting in your car and mowing people down. Stop equating those two things.
I'm not even against Destiny here but his shock at the repercussions is absurd. He's smarter than that, he knows he crossed a line. Regardless, it's a business that labeled him disposable based on comments he made. I'm sorry but that's capitalism.
Worst part is I don't even think he meant it. Which is why I hate people bringing up other people's stupid takes too. Most of them don't even mean the stupid shit they say. Problem is Destiny cornered himself into a "always serious, angry" discussion persona when speaking on politics. He couldn't even have the awareness to try and spin that as joke or back off cause he's too immature
@@anthonycarrey5195 "having a gun to defend your own property is a whole world of difference from getting on your car and mowing down people"
I think we're watching two diferent movies buddy, because the one i watched, Kyle was running away from his aggresors and had to defend himself from physical attacks, holy shit.
“vaushs community doesn’t hate you” he says right after destiny pointed out multiple examples on vaushs subreddit, twitter and from his own gf and roommate.
this is straight up gaslighting
Vaush and Destiny share a lot of fans...
my dad literally lives at his small business, if his shop would be burned down, our whole family would be fucked , its not like we have a chain of small businesses , we have
ONE . in our city they decided they wanted to build a soccer stadium , so they took our property , we literally lost our house because we had to find another place to set up . now we are renters. imagine it being burned to the ground , loosing everything , all of cars , tools and parts. we'd be homeless,
I'm not even with Destiny on this one and yet Xan managed to make him look so sympathetic while roasting himself and his whole friendgroup... ugh what a shitshow... why does everyone die on the dumbest hills these days?
It's a great hill to die on
Yeah, honestly. It’s like there’s something extra. I’m gonna say it’s the serious dogpile epidemic and an income-destroying trend. Anyone who gets dog piled enough or their funds ripped away will freak out and seek a scapegoat. Destiny said yesterday that he adapted to dog piling but the defunding he got super hurt by because he’s powerless against corporate legal departments. It sucks all around. I hold out faith that they’ll evolve past this extreme stuff about retaliating hardcore and permanently. I genuinely cannot believe that Destiny will believe forever that Vaush and his community are THIS bad. Destiny already said “maybe we WILL talk again in the future someday” in the first 15 minutes of this segment. The day before he said he’d never talk to him. So I think there’s just something else, maybe trauma of losing money suddenly + dog piling.
@@Sprite_525 Destiny has no one to blame but himself. Destroying property equals death? His morality is all screwed up.
@@exiledfrommyself sounds about white.
@@exiledfrommyself sounds about white.
1:11:14 there was so much build up to it. It was kind of beautiful
I think that's the first time I've heard destiny say "fuck you"
THANK YOU SO MUCH LOL i was about to skim through this whole video just to find that clip
@@chisank that’s literally why I’m here rn too! 🤣 this saved a lot of time lmao thx
It is beautiful
Thank you Steven, very cool!
That’s gay
I bust out laughing so hard at this, this is some "accidentally left wing" stuff
9999999999999999998f
omg dude
@@TKUA11 I concur
Destiny absolutely birthed Vaush and Vaush could have gone to bat for destiny, but are we going to pretend that the sole REASON that Destiny got de-partnered? My dude you broke TOS in an agregious way, calling for acts of violence to like 10k viewers. The fact that you weren't banned shows how chill Twitch was about this situation.
When Vaush sends his people, he doesn't send his best
the best characterization I can think of for vaush is.... "a former CNN intern makes a CZcams channel"
basically vaush is FakeTube
@@campsitez2355 I think people like you following Destiny now is the biggest indictment of this whole lefty arc.
@@campsitez2355 not very creative, are you?
A T so fucking true. Destiny’s audience is jam packed with reactionaries now it’s insane
@@wisetrollman yup
I for one believe this is Destiny's chance to go undercover and come back as a *Gnome V-tuber* just whispering sweet nothings into our ears all day long...
His ultimate form...
:,)
Gnome .... CHOMPSKI!
Holy shit I actually called it...
I feel for the kid. From his perspective this is metaphorically like watching your parents go through an angry divorce.
Ignore, just personal timestamps.
1:10:48
1:16:52
Vaush bad x3
vaush bad, vaush, bad, vaush bad
@@brooklynhatch9705 noted
Vaush is cringe
This but unironically
TOSS A COIN TO YOUR STREAMER, VIEWERS OF
P L E N T Y
This guy is definitely 21
Lol
Why is Xanderhal debating anyone? That dude is like a kid that watch the news for the first time and now believe they understood the world.
@@cheesys8706 what debate was this? I want to watch it now
@@cheesys8706 Thank you for the quick reply! Definitely watching this
I'm still not sure how people unlawfully protecting businesses from unlawful rioters burning shit down is seen as the protectors are the bad guy... Desperate times cause Desperate measures to occur.
If im a known felon and can't legally own or use a firearm.
and someone break into my house with the intention to burn it down.
And I blow their fucking soul out their fucking body... NO ONE SHOULD BE MAD AT ME. The judge who pass the sentence on me for having the gun shouldn't feel i was unjustified in my actions.
People separate "lawfully correct" from "morally correct".
Hell yeah, man. This is why 2A is important; Exercise your rights and protect yourself.
Destiny expected Vaush to break up with his gf for saying “reporting might be a good idea” 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah. It's a pretty bonkers notion. Especially given that Destiny has said multiple times the he'll own every position he's ever taken, except this clip that he was ousted for.
It's not like it was taken out of context, he advocated for violence/vigilantes to go murder people and got banned for it. Twitch didn't ban him for any sort of racism, which is what Destiny is saying people read into it.
He got the boot for a really bad take, and can't really blame anyone but himself. No one made him say the words.
SyntheticBrilliance spot on. Not loving this destiny. When can we go back to prime 2017-2018 destiny? He is seeming to take no responsibility in acknowledging at the very least the clip was bad optics on his part...it was everyone’s fault except his.
It's weird that she felt comfortable saying that in the first place. I guess she knew Vaush wouldn't be upset.
Rio Stover people don’t put thag much thought into every word they say
@@n8m102 No, I don't mean she consciously thought about it. It didn't occur to her because Vaush probably never pushed back on her saying shit like that.
Anger makes people stupid.
Unfortunately so does love.
THIS. Vaush couldnt see how much his gf hated destiny. he probably did talk to her about not hating him so much but have you ever seen a dude that's cucked by his Gf try to convince her of anything? I'm guessing thats the relationship he has with her and so he was never going to be able to stop her going in hard against destiny like that.
vaushtiny
@@fakeparson8193 It's so weird to call vaush a cuck to his girlfriend when his relationship dynamic is basically the same as Destiny's
He doesn’t mean it in a literal sense dude. It’s used to describe how little of a spine Vaush has to not only allow his girlfriend target and attempt to deplatform his friend, but to go so far as to use his platform to do so.
Either that, or he genuinely just doesn’t give a shit about what happens/happened to destiny. I would consider neither of those people a good friend.
This really feels exactly like an argument I had with a friend once lmao. I was the xander in this situation lol it was purely an attempt at damage control
vaushies realizing the world isn't their echochamber
All three of my worlds have collided
*Exploded
whats going on with the replies to this lmao
TootyBonFruity aye you good fam
It's like a Powerman5000 song up in here!
destiny definitely demanding way more from vaush than he should. vaush is literally a destiny simp, but that's not enough for daddy destiny
It’s literally a meme in vaushs community about how he’s overly charitable towards destiny
If he was such a simp you would think he would think the person he is dating wouldn’t go out of her way to try to cancel destiny
bridogg154 Because he’s a selfish, emotionally immature dipshit who doesn’t stand by any of the values he espouses.
Yeah, if it was Vaush or Hasan who had broken TOS, and Melina said something about reporting it, no way in hell Destiny would've taken responsability for that. He would probably mock them and say they deserved it for being idiots.
@bridogg154 i like destiny, he's just arguing from emotion here.
A business owner has the right to defend his business. If someone is coming to burn it down I will side with the owner for defending his property. You don't want a bullet flying at you? Then don't destroy people's shit.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
What. lmao.
@@purts2 pretty self explanatory.
Is that what you're pretending happened?
@@purts2 Not talking about the specifics of Rittenhouse. Talking about rioters destroying businesses.
I agree with that as a general statment.
Xan is so dishonest it hurts
1:11:36
Xander: “don’t they have insurance?”
*Destiny Leans Back*
Ultra Instinct begins
God I just died in my chair
Justa Coder lol
Word!
it sickens me to think people have contracts with companies who will pay every single dollar lost. even banks wont do that say you buy a lock deposit box and buy insurance on you can have 40 million in there and still only get half back at times if stole or say a fire hit the bank.
Also the fact that insurance can also say the rates which they pay out on different thing like on purpose incidence like arson weather like floods or accidental like electrical wiring failure. these fucking people saying insurance as an all perfect reasoning to destroy a business also must this the business owner and building owner are always the same fucking people too.
@@giantmess4335 yeah an insurance company will look ANYTHING to.not pay out on your claim.
I can mostly see Destiny's point but it seems like he doesn't even know how fucking unhinged he came off every time he interacted with Vaush on stream. Before I started looking into his content I used to think he was completely crazy and I never understood why Vaush kept defending him. It's no surprise Vaush couldn't convince every single person surrounding him.
Vaush was in perfect position to defend Destiny but chose not to. I think that’s the crux of it.
Vaush's opinions on the Kyle stuff was completely unhinged
@@austingoyne3039 it's not his job to defend him all the time, even though he does
@@n8m102 keep telling yourself that. go into his community right now and compare the amount of people hating(yes, hating, not disliking his clip) him and the people not doing so(does not even need to be liking) and come back here
@@98danielray You did see my comment right? Vaush always defended Destiny but there's only so much he can do when Destiny tries his best to make the left hate him.
I'm not a fan of Destiny but if your GF doesn't have the common courtesy to not be malicious towards one of your friends she doesn't respect you.
I'm an hour in. Personally I think it just comes down to: Destiny is polarizing. Some of Vaushs fans hate him, others like him. There's anecdotes in favor of both sides here. I do agree that Vermon was uncool with everything BTW.
hi whats up hunter, i didn’t expect you here
A surprise to be sure...
Hunter, weren't you a fascist earlier? What's going on, buddy?
Your clearly ignorant just go on vaush reddit its overwhelmingly against him.
I’m new to both channels and I think they’re both intelligent and have interesting opinions but are both hotheaded in a way I’ve never seen Hunter be
Vowsh
Tru
Vowsh bad
derp rant DJPepo
Vetch
Voxsh
I’m not a Xanderhal fan and this conversation went terribly for him but his spirit sounded so crushed at the end of this that I genuinely kinda feel bad for him.
Xanderhal deserved it! He's literally lefty junk food gone rotten!
@@ishizukahikaru643 Xanderhal is not a lefty. He’s just a 13 year old trapped in a 15 year olds body.
@@ishizukahikaru643 it’s just miss communication
Imagine if we're living in the authoritarian state government (either right or left). These kind of debate, argument, and opinion didn't exist in the first place. We're all already dead before we did anything.
Xanderhal comes off so bad in this. You can absolutely tell he had his position and no matter what evidence Destiny brought up he would agree with V.
So does Destiny, though.
I love how Xanderhal does the exact same uh uh uh as Vaush.
Like father, like adopted son.
@@blackedmirror5073 its a commie dogwhistle to racism then
Xanderhal truly is the Irate Gamer of the political commentary community.
@@blackedmirror5073 you mean "na ge"? Which means "that"?
@@jeremylim2421 more or less, "neige" which roughly means "that one", often said when the word or phrase you're looking for isn't quite clear to you just yet - just like "um" in English. So in China you often hear folks saying "neige neige neige" - sometimes to the confusion and/or dismay of black English-speakers
Looking forward to youtube streams
@Joseph ?
@@subhasishadhikary1296 He's negging you.
I want destiny to host fear factor or something
Joseph cringe
most para-social cringe conversation. Xanderhal literally sounds like a 13 year old here. He’s 21 years old here?!?!? Jesus Christ is this what 21 year old act and sound like now these days?!?!? What a dweeb.
cringest conversation I ever had the displeasure of listing to.
Xanderhal gives me major pick me vibes
5:58 I'm in 2023 and hearing Xan ask this is like predictive irony lol
Edit: late December 2023
I’d love to hear dr k and destiny talk about this
@Mitch Lang maybe he burns bridges so we dont have to. Pepesad
that would be super interesitng
truuue
@Mitch Lang kek
idk Dr. K kind of just has to go with whatever information is given to him by the person he's talking to. The problem seems to be a discrepancy about truth, so I don't know if that would be productive. It might just dig destiny into a deeper hole.
My brain hurts... this is like the end of Socrates. This is like... "legal logic" "yes they shared the post with the caption that made you look bad, but you said people do things and others react, they only shared it and others reacted. They didnt set out to do this, but people reacted as they did"
I partially agree, but a lot of the people spreading it were also applying a particular narrative to it beyond just the actual meaning of it.
It's likely that Twitch would have departnered him though.
Naive af
Its almost like both can be wrong, and both can be mad at eachother for what the other did. That clip of destiny is bad, he shouldn't have said that. Vaush's community (HIS ROOMATE AND GF INCLUDED) should not have spread a clip, told eachother to report him, and attempt to get him in trouble with twitch. For some reason you have to take one side or the other on this issue which is fucking stupid.
What???
@DSP Historical Society Yea, probably should've added to my original comment but what Vaush's community did is far worse than Destiny saying something irresponsible.
What an interesting time to get into destiny
1:04:01 "no, i know its true, cos when i was on twitter i couldnt excape it for a week"
YES THIS IS WHAT WE CALL AN ECHO CHAMBER
Why yes, I planted those seeds... BUT I DIDN'T EXPECT THEM TO GROW!!! 😮
You're referring to Destiny's shit takes coming back to bite him in the ass, right?
I think this comment isn't getting enough love.
@@chunkyogurt9611 When you can't understand what someone means but says it's a shit take /cringe
@@handsomebear. Damn dude, I've been called CRINGE. Don't think I can ever recover. Want to explain exactly what you think I'm misunderstanding?
@@handsomebear. Its still fair though. Vaush is something that destiny has created, the wider online left community has been something that destiny has had a decent hand in nurturing.
Vaush got his start as irishladdie trying to deplatform destiny, and after a lot of nurturing, that little irish laddie grew up strong enough to use destinys words to whip him with.
Oh well.
Hindsight is 20-20. People in Destiny's community normally roast him when he has a bad take, but at this point it just feels like he's lashing out because he is understandably pissed.
_imagine_
Twitch: You are getting departnered in a month.
Destiny: Okey we're playing LoL till the end, boys!
The fans: Can't you just perma ban him?
As someone from Vaush’s community, and of course this entirely anecdotal, I like Destiny. I subscribed to him THROUGH Vaush. I have my differences with him and his opinions. But I would imagine quite a few of the non-vocal majority would feel somewhat similar. The clip was bad, and the optics looked bad, but I would happily admit that there is nuance with what you were arguing. The clipping was totally dishonest.
Fuck man, writers got my eyes tearing up. I love watching both xanderhal and destiny and it makes me mad to see them fight considering it was only a few months ago that I saw the xanderhal and destiny chat a few arcs ago.
It’s like being in the internet spotlight makes ego so big; that people can’t get along
2yrs later still playing factorio
Why does xan care so much about their relationship omg. Hes like a fanboy
This is what's wrong with the left. They can't stand up on their own. Pathetic tbh
Oh look its michael from the RFC chat
@@tharushasarange I think you mean a handful of almost exclusively American youtubers, it's not 'the left'. Please don't believe that online political discussion is actual real politics.
It's because Xan was a fan of both of them
Extreme parasocial relation.