Were the Springboks lucky to win Rugby World Cup 2023? | BOKS OFFICE
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- As Boks Office makes its return for the first time since South Africa's triumphant victory in France, host Hanyani Shimange is joined Rugby World Cup 2023 Champion Deon Fourie and Springbok legends Schalk Burger and Jean de Villiers. The team discuss the Bok's route to winning their fourth Webb Ellis Cup and ask if they were lucky to win each knockout game by just one point.
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The title of this video “were the Springboks lucky” when they had the hardest road to and including the final is LAUGHABLE!
Definitely lucky. That's not even in dispute. Lucky that rugby is the only sport in history where someone getting sent off is virtually guaranteed in every game.
Laughable exactly!
The most uphill road to winning the World Cup, and perhaps the only tier 1 nation that fields 100% home-bred players, where NZ and Australia purchase players from the Pacific islands.
Very very lucky
@@henryshen5445 I can't believe you would comment with such ignorance. You are extremely uneducated.
So proud of Deon, they way he stepped up in the finals, immaculate !
What a great discussion. Even as a New Zealander these greats talking about their experiences in the big games and how they saw the flow, and influences, excellent stuff. I do disagree with the conclusion at the end though which concluded that the Boks weren't lucky to win. If you analyze the vast majority of the Big World Cup games, there's usually an element of luck, or bad luck involved, but that's the nature of the game. In the last final, there were so many elements that could have gone either way, and the bounce of the ball, luck, if you will, went the Boks way this time. Luck usually has a part to play in victories, however, in this case whatever went the Boks way, good on you guys, worthy winners. Can't wait to see you back in NZ.😁
very true there was luck. betewwn top four teams there is nothing in it they are all good on their day ABS can beat the BOKS on any day and vice versa, between ireland France ABS and boks there is not much difference they are very evenly matched, I have no doubt Under RAZOR the ABS will turn it up and other teams will have to catch up again
The ball that should've bounced for Savea but bounced for Willemse, I consider that lucky.
The ABs missing 2 winning kicks with world's best kickers on the field, so lucky.
But we've still worked for it and we deserve it a 100%.
A team needs to have skill and mindset in order to take advantage of luck when it presents itself.
As much as the Boks were lucky, they also had their fair share of being unlucky. I mention the following:
1. Being in the pool of death.
2. Having to play all of the other top 6 teams.
3. Having to play the hosts (also in 2019) in a knock-out game and in the very stadium where France had not lost a game for ages.
4. Only being able to bring Pollard in during the pool stages.
5. Marx being injured.
6. Lukhanyo Am being injured.
7. Bongi being injured early in the final.
As Gary Player said: The more you practice, the luckier you get.
Kudos to World Rugby for putting another episode of Boks Office on. The most enjoyable and thoughtful show about rugby I've ever watched.
That saying really applied to the Boks. The harder you work, the luckier you get. Only it's actually meant differently. The Boks really did their homework and practiced their asses off. Rassie applied statistical analysis to coach the team and prepare them. We had some luck, yes, but we deserve the trophy.
Well said !
Deon Fourie hats off to you boet you played like a beast. Great player👏👏
Oh, man. We were booed in the semis and the final? I ddnt see that on TV but now the RWC 2023 winner says it, the Web Ellis is that much sweeter. Go Bokke.
It was very loud on the TV. They wouldn't stop booing😂
You were booed because you did everything except play rugby and the crowd saw that the officials favoured your team. That is why rugby is on a downward slide compared to other sports which are far more exciting than modern rugby.
@@lyellclare9365 What a whinge😂😂😂
It's like in the UFC when you see people just holding their opponent against the cage or on the ground, while never trying to finish the fight, instead content to win an ugly fight via points.
@@JaemanEdwards the grapes must be bitter, you've been moaning on all comments 🤣
We were playing against many other factors against us. The boo-ing never goes well with us but we pulled it through nail by nail from the quarter finals for 3 games with 1 point. History was made and wish my ol grandfather springbok was here to see it! Long live the springboks!
French supporters are the worst...no respect for the game...no wonder they lost and that terrible weather uurgh..just watched the fra vs SA game again my word ...savages
@ 2:22 and following - About '07 - absolutely true. It was amazing to be a Bok supporter in Paris in that week and we felt it everywhere from the attitude of waiters in restaurants, the way we were received and treated in shops and hotels and just the random general public warmth towards the Bok identity. It was phenomenal in the way the French loved us just because they didn't want England to win. Never forget the cries of "Down wiz Rosbeef" 🤣🤣. Honestly (and understandably), Parisians are generally not very patient or engaging with tourists unless one speaks French but that week was different 👊
Oh wow sounds like an experience of a lifetime one u will remember 4 a very long time. 🇿🇦 🏆🏆🏆🏆 *B2B & here's 2 2027* 🏆
@@pebblesb7892 Thanks, indeed it was! The highlight (besides the win) was me in my Mandela mask being interviewed live on CNN and predicting the result in my best Madiba impression - too funny 🤣. Roll on 2027 !
@@redhowell7856 CNN 👏 blessed indeed! Us back home a lot of us were praying 🙏 hands in air 🙌 on the head praying 4 the mercy of God to locate us🇿🇦 & give us this victory.. whoah ! I don't want to go thru that roller coster again, ever !
Tjooo this guy when he pull out of the mall from that line out, the pace and how hit the ticklers of England and fall short from getting a try was the most moment I felf the coming back and I was standing in my lounge screaming come onnnnnnnn Deon you guys don't how it feels even today when I watch that again 👏👏
As an Avowed "SPRINGBOK" supporter, I have to admit that as a mere bystander watching the final on Television here in Spain, my heart was in my mouth in the final minutes. The result could so easily have gone either way. Fortunately, for South Africa and legions of fans across the globe,
Jordi Barret MISSED, scoring those crucial penalty points in the closing minutes of this epic match. That to me was Luck for "The Springboks", and no amount of bleating by "ALL Black", fans about the referee and the "TMO's", can alter the fact of the "missed" kick, which cemented the Heroic
"SPRINGBOKS", FOURTH WIN of THERUGBY WORLD CUP...! " GO BOKKE..." !!
As a Welshman I love the boks, they had been slowly getting it together over the last couple of years, no suprise they won it again, pissed me off because the blacks are my favourite, I was actually in prison at the time of the final, missed the second half, seen the result on the news next morning
This is awesome. Love the stories from all these Springbok legends. Where is the full thing though? I need to see the entire video please
Each of their wins in the knockout stage, taken alone, could easily be characterized as lucky.
In each match, a lot of stuff went their way.
Yet, when you look at it in entirety, they made it thru the group of death which had two of the top five teams in the world aside from themselves, and beat three of the top six teams in the world aside from themselves in the knockout stages. So, they played all five of the other top six teams in the world and won four of those matches and even in the fifth against top ranked Ireland, they didn't use their best kicker and lost on kicks.
The point is, that's not luck. And, if it is, you make your own luck with that type of performance.
In fact, instead of lucky, you would have to say that this was one of the best performances of any team in any sport in any world cup. Match after match, they played the best and figured out a way to beat them all. That's extremely impressive and it's impossible to justify saying that you were lucky when consistently beating your top five rivals.
Well said!
Good points. Luck goes both ways usually. You win some you lose some. SA might have had some good luck at times but also had bad luck at times. You could also have mentioned the bad luck of losing the services of Marx, Am and de Jager. Also losing Bongi early in the final. Also some ref decisions may have gone SA's way but some did not such as the allowed forward pass try by NZ and the disallowed try by SA because of advantage not being played, etc. So SA were not particularly lucky though they had some luck at times.
Games at the top level don’t get won without a little bit of luck!
Definitely lucky. Everyone knows that. Lucky that in rugby, unlike any other sport in history, someone being sent off is now virtually guaranteed in every game.
@@JaemanEdwards the best teams create their own luck
Deon is so right about the poms kicking game. That's all they do! And in the wet it could have been dangerous, but you guys just kept going at them. Lovely.
Add in tackling, and that's all the Springboks do as well.
@@JaemanEdwards Oh come off it. You really need a reality check.
@@stevedavidson666 You're right. And mauling. But anything intricate like creating tries ? Forget about it.
@@JaemanEdwards 2019 boks, yes, but now they make some moves and will only grow in that department.
@@vahorgan Hopefully. That's what I wanna see from them.
That training camp in Corsica really paid off: just like Napoleon we came, we saw, we conquered France. And just like Napoleon we did it twice!
Yeah... Now is time to refill those finances though, with all this money going out to referees...
@@Pierre2000ish Maybe if NZ did not pay all their money in the Ireland game they could have had something for the final
... You are a loser... Pierre
Aretha Franklin sang:"There's nothing going on but the rent" So if you see the ugly me with a gorgeous model, I'm not a lucky guy. I can pay her rent and provide financial stability.
Springboks put themselves in a position for luck to play a role. Wales were lucky to win against Fiji; did they win the Cup? No.
@@Pierre2000ish Don’t worry about our finances. Our coffers are full after raiding your treasuries. Now we just have to figure out what to do with all these barrels filled with French tears.
Luck?……………..which half wit wrote this title?
RASSIE and the springboks just figured out that you win the tough games by getting …one point more than the other team…….
I’m going to mow the lawn…………
The most influential figure in soccer, Dutch great Johan Cruijff, once said: if you score one more than the opposition you win the game.
Bokke applied that to Rugby and took it literally😅
So fun to chat with friends after such a great world cup. So cheers guys. What it's all about at the end of the day.
No luck pure class love it that NZ still cannot except they not world best anymore 😂
Well said...
You always need some luck. Every world champion in Rugby. history had a bit of luck and close games. But the Bokke truly deserved it. They had a great game plan every game and fought like lions.
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Just post it on youtube, stop being obuse.
If it's free, why not just post it here?
No thanks
I'd rather watch paint dry. The Springboks are definitely not a boks office attraction.
@JaemanEdwards so keep it to yourself and move on little girl
1. Interesting that Brannas has a glass of water in front of him... steek hy die glas brannas weg? ;-) I agre with him - the QF was the most intense and impressive. When we won that my friends and I all believed the Bokke would beat anyone. the world doesnt realise how it backfires to make the Bokke "public enemy", it just stokes the fire. Please continue doing it
I really enjoyed this show throughout the world.
Give it up! No luck… pure talent and strategy… moving on💪🏽🇿🇦💪🏻
Pure talent scores tries.
Tries at the 2023 RWC
Springboks 27
All Blacks 49
@@JaemanEdwards Difference is we actually had proper opposition. New Zealand played just three games against opposition in the top five and lost two of them. Flat track bullies who choke when it gets serious.
@@DavyBrando Almost double the tries. Says a lot.
@@JaemanEdwards Double the tries because you played double the amount of minnows, Cro-Magnon. You also had double the losses, but who’s counting?
@@DavyBrando Double the class. Double the style. Double the skill. Double the talent.
5 of the World's Top 6 were beaten by us on the run to the RWC Final. History. Period.
Where is the full interview?
You can watch the full episode for free on RugbyPassTV: rugbypass.tv/video/556205
Deon Fourie and Kwagga made a moerse impact when they csme on.
Absolutely. Deon performed extremely well in a position hea not used to under massive pressure. Without him the boks would have been screwed
Deon looks really young when he's around these guys
Boys are back!!
This should have been an hour long
To win a World Cup you need a good team, good depth in the squad, a good coaching group, key players be relatively injury free, you need vital 50/50 calls go your way, you need the bounce of the ball in critical moments, you need your goal kicker to be on song, and finally you dó need some luck.
and a good referee
You mean officials that are on your side. Boring rugby won the day.
And a red card.
@lyellclare9365 you again...dude get a life
The Etzebeth try vs France - best ever individual try in WC history
The man was on fire, best in the world in his position, respect from Cymru
Rubbish
It was a thing of beauty
At the end of the day, lucky or not, they have the trophy,
They were for sure lucky. As usual. But four time RWC winners speaks for itself.
As far as I'm concerned there's no such thing as luck,U make ure own luck/destiny!
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BOKKE FOR LIFE
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Will be interesting to look at the history. Has any World Cup side ever had a harder road to the final? In a row against top sides? Winning by 1 point each time? Has there ever been a harder tougher pool?
WE BACK!
HULLE WEET NIE WAT ONS WEET NIE !!!! love for the bokke always
Ja meneer.
I Nickname them the "GRADER." The first thing they did, they took out the All Blacks Captain. Watch how they did the RUCKING. That is how they won against the English too. "RUCKING." Look at how the GRADER OPERATER do the new road with gravels before the sealing done. That is their style of scrummage.
Where can I watch or listen to the rest of this!?
You can watch the full episode for free on RugbyPassTV: rugbypass.tv/video/556205
Very lucky
Both Referees now resigned.. say it all
I'm sorry but luck has nothing to do with it. It's a tough game and you are either down or up. How can someone say we were lucky, I don't understand that reasoning, if you are better on the day you win, not because of luck. Cheslin's save on the French kick at goal was not luck, it's because he knew what he wanted to do, he committed and he succeeded because he is an excellent player, just like every player in the squad. Luck is for gamblers at the Casino, come on guys. LOVE THE BOKS AND WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THE WIN AGAIN IN 2027 😎
The Springboks definitely got lucky. Everyone knows that. Lucky that rugby is the only sport in history where someone getting sent off is virtually guaranteed in every game.
Surprising how these negative Springboks such a beautiful win. Rassie, sharpen your skills....
@@joycekweyama6383 Rassie needs to learn what a rugby pass looks like. He also needs to teach his team where the tryline is situated. The Springboks never play or win beautiful. They don't know how. Just cheap and ugly wins for the Springboks.
And 2031 have you seen the young talent coming out I know Rassie is planning ...😊
I like how they say US 🇿🇦🇿🇦
It’s PRAYERS Not Luck. Brian Hanabana & Cheslin Kolbe together with Majority Had GOD answ Prayer. Also Hard Playing to the End and Although Kicker Was Not Always good there was other Ways that put Points on Score board.Supporters are Behind Boks not Luck and Many had x 3 Games of Anxiety and should be given Springbok Medals❤
You make your luck, so prepare an live your life to make your luck, and so everyone is making their luck, so then the best luck makers who fit into the universes' plan will come out on top...no wait the universe will modify its plan to accommodate you luck...who knows how the simulation works...
The harder you work, the luckier you get.
Agree
Deon is n yster - so bly hy het n kans gekry.Gee altyd sy beste👏👏
Of course they were lucky as well. Was it the sole reason for their win. Not by a long shot.
No luck involved ! Dude
Lu ck and with the help of Barnes and his TMO.
Luck favours the brave
Definitely lucky.
And brave..
Lucky to win the final, but unlucky to have to face England in semi. So fair enough in the end /unbiased Aussie
15 All Blacks beat 15 Springboks.
14 vs 15 is not fair game of rugby.
TMO was the man of the match.
Tom Foley take a bow.
Springboks have won three world cups and one big TMO gift.
NZ captain must go back to primary school and learn how to tackle. Kickers must learn how to convert pressure kicks into points, and NZ fans must stop whining about the officials. All Blacks knew ( or should have known ) from
Scott Barretts cheap shot on Marx at Twickenham that they would get red, so Cane tried another one on Kriel ????? C'mon, in the real world, that's called incompetence..........😅
I would have to agree, Springboks were lucky
@@martjollands4200 Your captain uses his head as weapon.
Kolis charges in from 10 meters away leading with head.
This is twice dangerous as Cane’s tackle.Wait minute it is only yellow.
They were lucky, any team that's won the rugby world cup has been lucky at some point in the tournament
Before the QFs I said the winner of France/SA will win the WC. The French turned up on the day and no team ever beats them when they're on song. Springboks the first to do it.
first please reply i am a very big fan
Okay, here's your reply. Thanks for being a fan.
thank you
@@greenplasticgun
Luck was not involved. It was not luck that Rassie and Jacques were smarter than other coaches.
How many teams would take Deon Fourie to the World Cup. Most coaches would say, "Oh Fourie is 37 and he's too short"
But Rassie doesn't care about numbers. Rassie knew that Deon is an outstanding athlete who plays with heart and soul. Whenever Deon entered games, he turned things around. The same was true about Kwagga Smith
After Malcolm Marx went down, Rassie and Jacques could have pushed the panic button. But they didn't. They trusted Deon and Marco to be able to play as back up hookers. Then they brought Pollard back. None of this was luck.
Rassie needs to learn what a rugby pass looks like. He also needs to teach his team where the tryline is situated.
@@JaemanEdwardsThe Boks should have scored tries against NZ, but the All Blacks had a great defence. So please dont blame Rassie for the lack of tries. Blame the All Blacks and their fanatical defence. The ABs stopped the Irish from touching the ball down after they had crossed the try line. Then two weeks later the ABs stopped the Boks from touching the ball down. And in August at Twickenham, the ABs also stopped the Boks from touching the ball down. It must be some sort of record for one team to stop two different teams from touching the ball down during the elimination rounds at the WC.
@@leoncolwin8645 Try creation is not high on Rassie's list of priorities. This is the South African rugby doctrine. You people seem fine with try scoring being a low priority. In our country that's anti rugby.
@@JaemanEdwards Well, the Boks did score 5 tries against the ABs on August 25, 2023
@@leoncolwin8645 Like I told you. An inferior team needs a helping hand dont they ? 15 v 15 the Springboks stand no chance. They just don't really know how to create tries. Just lay and pray and hope for mistakes. This is how they beat France, another clearly superior team.
I agree that they weren’t “lucky”, but I do wish more South African fans would recognise that a successful kick by New Zealand might (and who knows though) have been a different result. On an aside I was fascinated by the sign in the window….a round sticker with BLK on a black background, is that saying something?
Yes they were. But then again, you make your own luck...
They sure were
Or the kiwis choked
I wanted the Boks to win but NZ were taking unnecessary risks kicking for touch when they should have just taken the (easy) 3 points on certain occasions, then they decide to kick from so far out due to desperation, and miss under pressure. Poor tactics from Foster.
They definitely choked while being down to 14 players for 50 minutes while keeping the Kickboks scoreless and scoring a try against them.
They beat all the top teams. AND have won 4 out of 8 world cups played in.🎉🎉🎉🎉
NZ are 3 out of 10 😢 🎉🎉🎉 SO Nooo!😂
Lucky? Did they enter a raffle to win the game or something.
Did you not hear about the ref raffle?
no luck only skill --proven 4 times ------------so far !!!!!!!!!!🤣🤣🤣
The worst champions in history. Joke champions really.
"Were the Springboks lucky to win Rugby World Cup 2023?" Yes NO! doubt about it.
Okay mr Bitter-man 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣They still remain back2back Champs 😛
@@KO..... I am of the view, the two teams were both on the same level no one was better than the other. You cannot judge the teams, the difference in the final score is only one point.
@@nedor64 It's possible that I don't get what the purpose of world championships are, but I was under the assumption that to be called the best you need to beat everyone else to the trophy. I suppose that's not what it's about then. with regards to the one point difference, I suppose the one point difference actually means a tie instead of a win meaning that neither team is better. Thanks for pointing these things out they make perfect sense now.😉
@@nedor64 are we judging the title of World Champions on feelings now, rather than who actually won? Is that how it works now? 😅🍻🍻
@@aldobonaso3481 "are we judging the title of World Champions on feelings" Not at all, but I must say the final game was not All Black rugby they disappointed me. You won the game so 👏🤝
Completely. Both them and the Kiwis should make sure Barnes & O'Keeffe never have to buy a drink for themselves after knocking out the two best teams in the QFs with their utter incompetence.
Yes Ben O'Keefe made france make 50 handeling errors, miss their kicks, let their fly half kick to touch towards their own goal line with the worst kick in rugby history. Even gave us a yellow and France couldn't do anything.
3 of them couldn't even tackle Etzebeth 10m out. But sure. They were the best...
Not to mention they couldn't deal with 3 kicks that led to tries. But yeah totally the best there ever was.
@@markdanielleanderson4323 understandably you're not that bright - but you obviously excel at spewing utterly ignorant shite at a world class level about something you're too thick to comprehend in even the smallest way. It is the saffa way at the end of the day - and the only thing you're genuinely good at it. Obviously it's not rugby - needed the ref to get you the victory.
We won France with a yellow card and got "lucky". New Zealand could have done that too against the boks with 14 men but instead they made poor decisions on the field and then blame refs. Same old same old. All losers got to find a way to blame everyone but themselves. Hard to look in the mirror I guess :)
Face facts fellas , in the final ,the ref made a bad call against Savea and the Boks scored a penalty ( the ref made a mistake and said sorry ) , but regarding not awarding the try to the All Blacks because of a knock on 4 phases earlier was not a case of the officials not knowing the rules , it was a case of them deliberately ignoring the rule to favour the Boks ,pure and simple. It is a sign of the corruption that exists with the rugby ruling body. It was a shame as it could have been an epic final , instead a team that played everything except rugby won , and rugby fans wonder why the sport is in decline and losing fans to other more exciting sports. There's your answer.
And the All Blacks got compensation for their rightfully disallowed try by getting awarded another knock on try so that evens it out.
As for your missed kicks... That was also Barnes's fault isn't it? Boks kicked all their goals without any trouble.
And one final thing that narrative about Barnes saying sorry was spun by NZ media. He said sarcastically "sorry, I did not see it that way."
Also the game was even for more than 20 min of 14 vs 14 and the All Blacks accomplished nothing as well.
Youre a sore loser that's your problem.
He never said sorry, your media are twisting facts. Go listen again, watch the full match and stop daydreaming about an apology that was never given and social media regurgarating the same nonsense. He said sorry I dont agree, did not see you come off enough and Ardie wasted time so the ref blew him off by saying your okay and then adamently signalled that he stands firm on his decision. So, please stop spreading lies. "Sorry" as in 'excuse me' by British jargon and added that he did not watch the replay. It was clear he was getting annoyed by Ardie. Please watch it again :) and this time listen carefully ❤
@@jle42 you're right, but it's gonna fall on deaf ears with this lot
L.U.C.K.Y. END OF.....
It’s so sad to see the sport dying.
Lay off the hard booze for a while
😂😂What sport are you watching...? No more drinking please.
I'm so happy to see "HisExcellency" sad🎉
hahahah in SA it's never been more alive. Go watch football
Now the suffocating influence of the NZRU and it seems the poms has been effectively removed, nothing could be further from the truth. Rugby union is growing exponentially thanks in many ways to SARU going North-South. The only thing for us to worry about is that now it seems that the English Premiership is the one dying a death (sad for Sarries but they'll be OK) the club teams are finally going to get their chance, and with the numbers they have playing it'll be quite a challenge for all the other countries, but that'll mean union will grow even more. Can't wait.
Trust world rugby to imply luck, their draw didn’t stop the boks, just cheat rather, it’s easier
It was the men themselves who asked the rhetorical question in this vid, not wr
These boys know they got lucky (as usual). But when you're so good at it, is it still luck ?
Definitely not. The Springboks exercised the technical skills and fought for that win . Stop laying these insultve degrading doubts to a great team.
You ask all these degrading doubts because this is not a European rich team. I'm not the only one who perceive you negatively. I've lost all respect for you
Of course the Springboks got lucky. Everyone even themselves know this. Lucky that in rughy, unlike any sport in history, someone getting sent off is virtually guaranteed in every game.
As an Aussie licking our wounds from this dismal world cup, I can think of no other team that played as well or with the intensity of the Boks. Luck played a little part but in general the Boks smashed everyone else in their way. Nothing but admiration for they way they played, well done Springboks.
Spot on, coming from a Welshman
So, World Rugby is gonna milk the Springbok win till 2027? No discussion, chat, conference, podcast, interview, gathering, meeting is gonna change anything. Meanwhile World Rugby is not allowing other rugby channels to use any footage of RWC 2023 in their videos . Guys that are actually trying to advance the game and making a huge contribution to rugby in general. Instead, they gather some distinguished guests to come and discuss spilt milk. How childish can you be. Ridiculous!