Lee Fang: Forced to apologise for reporting on BLM | SpectatorTV
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- Lee Fang is an independent journalist formally at the Intercept. He discusses his forced apology for how he covered the 2020 BLM protests, how and why media and journalists collude as part of the censorship industrial complex, what he discovered during the Twitter Files investigations and FBI surveillance.
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Mr. Fang's explanation that journalists used to be more connected to the working class, but are now highly educated elites, resonates with me. This tracks with what I'm seeing.
Define "educated" ...
Anderson Cooper's mother was Gloria Vanderbilt. And I can't omit nepotism: Mike Wallace's son Chris.
@@barbarakauppi9915Socially-engineered.
Highly educated and extremely biased.
They get paid millions now, and think they are celebrities, that's why.
Kudos to Lee Fang for standing up for truth in times of hysteria. Takes balls of steel to go against the angry mob
He didn't stand up for anything. When they criticized him, he immediately folded and apologized.
Difficult place to be. Kudos still to not roll up and disappear.
I’m disappointed that you felt so pressured to apologize. You had no reason to apologize. You are an awesome journalist. Don’t let anybody ever pressure you like that again.
Never apologise if you've done nothing wrong.
True. And he was under an enormous amount of pressure. He obviously was not prepared for the intense backlash that he got and the folks at the Intercept stabbed him in the back, which made matters exponentially worse. I would be really surprised if he has not learned from the entire experience, and if he is therefore less likely to apologize in the future. If anything like that ever happens again.
Agree but I don’t think we recognize the intense pressure put in these individuals. It’s easy for us to tell them to not apologize when we aren’t in that predicament
@@brianmeen2158 Absolutely
We all think we would do differently. But he saved his career to fight another day. He'll never be proud of it, but it worked out in the end because now he is able to speak more freely.
The "authority" we assign to others just because they happen to appear to be in a position over us is the real problem. The fact is no one has authority over us, and we should never treat them otherwise. This is the worst form of inequality. The notion of power that we pretend to give people, who are just another person. This is the monster we have created. Classism is the real injustice.
Thank you for giving this young man an open opportunity to set the record straight. Well done.
I have to applaud his integrity as a real journalist. He exposed the manipulation of the (so-called) news and information industry.
All about votes. Wake up ppl! No one in the government cares about you or me. It’s all a game to them.
May God bless Lee Fang in his good work and his bravery . I am appalled at the dishonesty from our nations government . Thanks Mr. Marshall for this timely interview ...
I honestly had no idea that interviewer was a former band member in Mumford & Sons. He asks great questions and converses so naturally. Truly a gifted person.
Agree! He is great at this position. I’m still just shocked that he got booted from a band just because he read a book . That is truly outrageous and disturbing
@@brianmeen2158he was literally at the coal face of the culture wars…stood his ground and came good,dunno what happened to the Mumfords though…!? Ha,ha…
yeah, he's good
@@brianmeen2158 Didn't get booted, it just became too uncomfortable to stay. When you are the subject of a hailstorm of criticism it's also unpleasant for everyone around you - he removed himself and the associated storm from the vicinity of the band.
I’m white and have wondered that same thing since about 2000: why do black murders only get black community outrage when it’s white peoples who’ve committed the murders. Especially considering how small a percentage of black murders that is. BLM wasn’t ever interested in the answer, it was just a marxist scam, we now know. But the question still remains.
Lee's explanation for the elitism in journalism is very insightful and quite frankly offers a very rational explanation of the problems of mainstream media we all hear about. People need to know and understand this! So so important and a potential catalyst for healthy change
Can we even change the current culture of journalism? We’d have to change the universities first
@@brianmeen2158 We'd have to sack every single radical activist professor and abolish any course ending in "Studies", then completely overhaul all the humanities departments. For a start.
I agree. But Fang was part of the machine, part of the problem, before they turned on him, so I don't have a lot of sympathy for what he went through. He was quite happy for it happen to conservatives before they came for him.
@brianmeen2158 No. Only changing media ownership rules could do anything. Whatever media billionaires own are merely their mouthpieces.
Journalism nowadays is populated by the second-sons and unmarried daughters of the elite. Exactly like when ye olde aristocrats didn't want to divide their fortunes up too much, so they sent their less valuable children into the monastery.
I always thought the treatment of Winston by Mumford & Sons was disgraceful, but I think we are so lucky that he's found his feet with these interviews.
I always thought his apologies were cowardly and he should have stood up for his beliefs.
@@BridgeportIPAi think he was taken completely by surprise and had an initial gut reaction. That's a natural thing that happens. With thought, he purposely stepped up into the fray. Quite brave really, being aware of what would likely follow. I have great respect for him
Lost me at the man bun
@@ledaswan5990 ‘aRE yOU biOLogiST’ ??!?!??
And his great unforgivable crime was...for publicly saying he liked a certain book
Marshall - Don't use the word CIS - Its not a word its a term to make you succumb to the Gender Identity Ideologs. He is simply a man not a Cis-Man - Please get with the programme otherwise you are condoning and supporting it. Us his Sex not this Gender stuff
I find the term "CIS" to be antagonistic, I agree with you on this point. He is a man. I am a woman. A differentiator is required is for trans people. Trans man, trans woman (which are perfectly valid things to be, if you wish to).
Agreed.
"Cis" in its true context is the same pejorative as "homo".
Agreed.
@@doggieclaude exactly. A little girl doesn't want to grow up to be a trans woman. She either wants to grow up to be a woman... or in exceptionally rare circumstances might wish to become something other than a woman. But not a trans woman.
Totally agree.
It's just more bs categorization cooked up by the gender bender fanatics, and then insult people if we reject it.
I so appreciate the gays, and trans that are not doing that.
A fascinating interview. thank you. He obviously regrets apologising, and perhaps he shouldn’t have, but what an awful position he found himself him.
Do not apologize to these people.offense is taken- not given. Do not back down to these bullies.
The implication that Andy Gno is right-wing is wrong.
Imagine----journalists who are clueless about absolutely everything people care about. Explains SO much.
Journalists aren't stupid. They're not millionaires because they're stupid. They know. They sold us out.
Fantastic. I yearn for these kinds of conversations. Mr. Fang is what journalists used to be. It's a "watch it again" interview. Nevertheless, THE hot button issue of the moment was neglected: the current hysteria over trans activism. When Biden is propped up to interview Dylan Mulvaney and rubber stamp performance art as a recognition of special "rights" for that come right out of the hide of womanhood, one can only wonder what's going on behind the scenes.
Plenty of money, and nasty "going after the children" is major. They say it and do it, and all these adults, including parents are blind as bats, thinking it's all fine and dandy.
I have no idea why so many adults are blind to the woman hating, and the "gr00ming" of the children going on right in front of their faces.
I assume you have heard of journalist Jennifer Bilek that has written about the money side.
@serpentine Why are so many adults/parents blind? Because it has become easy to convince people to do anything by appealing to their vanity of having higher moral purpose. Hitler did not convince the German people to become evil, he convinced them of their opportunity for higher moral purpose.
We are at the point where people can be convinced that not drinking paint as a health drink is paintphobic.
Rothblatt & the Pritzker’s want to know where your ‘tRaNsjOY’ went 😂
@@serpentines6356 Well youre clearly a bigot
Great episode. Keep journalism alive! It is sad when governments work against their people and use them to do their dirty work. Incite violence to start a war. To takeaway their livelihood in a way... 😢
Thank you for your honesty. It is sad what is going on and the lies being spread. Thank you for your courage.
Good interview. Please don't use the made-up word "cis".
Unless you're an organic chemist.
"cis" is actually a word. Used by geographers and archeologists, for example, in "Cis-Jordan." Heretofore, it had no sexual connotation.
@@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns exactly. Cis and trans positions lol. The sociologists hijack every subject.
going by the book, the NEWSPEAK wasn’t supposed to be replacing the OLDSPEAK until 2050
I would prefer everyone learn what phobia (and racism, hate, fascism, critical theory, etc…) means and use it correctly, rather than argue over cis and trans being solely for academic use!
Exraordinarily insightful conversation - with a very clear, lucid and principled journalist in Lee Fang.
Congratulations Winston - probably your best work to date. In the early days, I will admit, I found your technique rather hesitant - and almost apologetic. Now you seem very much to have mastered your new craft - and bring a great deal to each conversation. Well done - and keep them coming !
Corporate media makes me sick.
Thank you Winston and Lee for your integrity and critical thinking. These kind of conversations are needed more and more in these crazy times. I would love to see you both on Joe Rogan one day
Asking questions is dangerous in this era of increasing totalitarianism. Thank you for everything you did, Lee. 🥰
Superb interview, thank you both
Another fantastic interview. Great questions!
Wow, sounds like the black man who this reporter interviewed (and later looked him up) seems very insightful and aware.
Never apologise. Never surrender
"Fact Checkers" can never be a thing.
They are as factual as Pravda in Soviet times
Journalism has collapsed, as Lee Fang notes.
"Fact checkers" are just enforcers of leftist propaganda. ThoughtPolice correcting WrongThink
I don't mind fact checkers, but they must always show their methods and their limitations. And also be prepared to correct themselves when proven wrong.
Appreciate this interview, and Marshall's talent as an interviewer
Did you really seriously use that foul little moniker of Sis-male in earnest or rather I hope in jest !….
I feel for this dude. He shouldn't have apologized and he clearly struggles with his decision to do so. But, man..he was under full focused attack. At the pinnacle of woke hysteria. He wasn't just backed in a corner, he was squeezed into a tiny box of hell with the belief that his career and social life were decimated forever. He wasn't sleeping. He was riddled with anxiety. It would've been beautiful had he not apologized. Because he was 100% in the zone of proper journalism. He got the scoop of a lifetime with that one act of being in the right place at the right time and allowing the young black dude to express himself honestly.
Im glad to see he understands why he apologized. His apology was under unfathomable duress. He posted the story. Thats what matters in the end.
Lee Fang is a hero.
I hope the lesson is learned you NEVER apologize for being genuine in your actions and beliefs. If you do not feel you made a mistake then you should never ever give them what they are looking for.
Lee Fang is a hero!
Every time a child was killed by stray a bullet in Chicago my heart broke for their families. College also helped to ruin journalism.
I was incredibly disappointed in Lee at the time for bending the knee to the woke mob. I am also sympathetic to his position too. The lesson is for journalists not to work for any big media company.
Any good journalist has to become independent now. The only exception is like these tiny, very boutique outlets like Max Blumenthal's and Aaron Maté's The Grayzone.
If you take a map of the Universities in the US (or other nations that you saw BLM style riots/looting/protests) that are ideologically aligned or 'friendly' to BLM, Antifa and Leftist ideology and you can predict with a high degree of accuracy where areas of Looting will occur.
This means that there were areas with a zero percent chance, and other areas, such as areas where political districts are "purple" or swing districts where their outcomes where in doubt, and potentially would lean Republican. Those districts would be highest probability to have a BLM 'riot / looting' or 'protest'. Whereas, the ideologically aligned University, with lots of BLM and 'Biden' voter posters on lawns or other outward signs that house or business was pro-Rainbow flag or pro-BLM, there was almost no chance.
But if you want to loot some houses and businesses and get some Juicy Loot, those are in fact the businesses and private homes to loot and tear up, as those are the homes of the Have's vs the ones of the Have Not's. But those perfectly good choices were not attacked, looted, and any protests were token ones, for show, like Martha Stewart has All are Welcome signs when in fact that was completely untrue as evidenced by how they treated 50 whole illegal migrants who were spirited away within 48 hours to a military base.
Go look at the specific places the looting took place, Then look at places that are ideological strongholds and 'safe places' for that ideology and surrounding areas that are ideologically aligned but also hold a degree of wealth and you'll see a strong correlating pattern.
Based on data like that you can predict where the likelihood of riots, looting, and what type of protest it will be manifest as.
Why is that? because BLM and Antifa are NOT grassroots 'authentic' movements. They are seeded CONTROLLED OPPOSITION'. They are funded, and most importantly required protection by authorities (on various levels), and by the Establishment, that opposed Trump's leadership.
Another excellent conversation.
Lee Fang is one of the last true journalists left...
Truly sad that they didn’t back him up.
The moral of the story? Never apologise to the mob! Once you do it's all over.
Give an example of 'right wing violence'
Love Lee Fang, a journalist with integrity.
Police officers of all ranks are either loved or hated. Its been that way since BCE times. No amount of reform, revamp, criminal reforming, etc. will ever stop people viewing cops in only one of those two ways.
Thousands of people lost their jobs from the vaccine mandates, but there is also a HUGE group of people that were injured. Injuries, sickness, lost work time, disabilities, etc skyrocketed after the mandates in the workplace. The data Ed Dowd has compiled on the subject is astonishing.
the ONS are publishing the ongoing excess deaths data, but mysteriously no one seems to want to discuss it
We need many more true and honest journalists like Lee Fang.
There's a huge difference between a protest and a riot
The acts of protesting and rioting must never be conflated
A protest can turn into a riot...intentionally or unintentionally
WHAT THE HELL DID YOU APOLOGIZE FOR?????!!
The central problem and contradiction here facing all minorities and therefore us all is that some people want to constantly draw attention to what should be a small aspect of what makes them 'different', perhaps even demanding special dispensations because of it, whilst demanding that they be treated and viewed exactly the same as the majority at the exact same time.
In short, it's an impossible circle to square.
They don't seek equality, acceptance or tolerance. They demand respect, deference and obedience. If they suspect there's any resistance they respond with aggressive and unprovoked violence. If people are perceived to be part of a hostile or even indifferent group then members of this group will be attacked, robbed, beaten or killed without warning. The point is to intimidate the public into a subservient status.
Fantastic and informative interview
"....ideas that came from an extreme elite and filtered down through the media and activist class."
Brilliant observation!
Love this guy. Well said.
Explaining current journalism, one analyst said that in the past if you asked a student why they wanted to be a journalist they'd tell you they want to keep the public informed. At some point that answer became "I want to change the world."
7:28 - many if not most journalistic outlets are now activism platforms, even in my home state in Brazil the main newspaper starting in January 2023, simply took a turn into woke activism, more and more writing about supposed incidents of racism, or pandering to trans gender agenda, confusing 'gay rights' w/ 'LGBTOIA+ agenda', often w/ articles w/o an author or articles translated straight out of NY Times. I've seen many of these articles and many opinion pieces offering half truths, and/or poorly articulated and often invoking the poorly understood and purposefully confusing and misleading terms of 'equity and diversity' and not really reflective of the full picture.
Sorry to say this but apologizing to the woke mob is a big mistake because it's seen as admission of guilt. And since by CRT woke standards, Asians are 'white adjacent' it automatically puts them in the 'forever racist' camp' and since according to CRT `a la Kendi and Deangelo et. al, one can never atone for their 'sins' (one w/ 'privilege and power'), in their eyes you're forever a bigot. Just like white folks or any non 'POC'.
18:25 - correct, you didn't harm anyone and they know it....what you 'harmed' is their woke, simplistic, illogical, post modern relativistic BS based and biased narrative, and you did that by speaking the truth and relying on data and opinions they don't like because they do not conform to their party-line agenda, that's all.
21:25 /27:19- Correct again, and you can see the same issue explored in a great conversation that Peter Boghossian had w/ former woke activist Keri Smith. One of the things that 'red pilled her' was that she was always told by her woke crowd that the violence was perpetrated only by right towards the left, until she saw footage of many instances of left activists beating up Trump supporters. She realized she had been lied to by trusted friends systematically in order to preserver their narrative.
Orwell wasn't far off the mark but the more comes out the less we can trust those that wield power and influence.
This whole interview is blowing my mind. I had never heard of him or most of the things he is speaking about. What an amazing guest and amazing interview. 👏
Great interview with a great journalism
Another excellent conversation. Winston's turned out to be one of my favourite interviewers. He's a natural. As for Lee Fang, although it was good to hear his story, I have absolutely ZERO sympathy for him, or any of his ilk. He was part of the machine that knowingly tries to deceive and propagandize the public. They only speak out when the machine (inevitably) turns on THEM. We warned them, but they wouldn't listen. I have a journalism/news editorial degree from the early '90s, and I suspect we were probably the last generation to be taught to strive for objectivity in our reportage, before all the fat, unwashed, blue-haired commie activists took over. These radical left hactivists are an insult and embarrassment to a profession I once believed was vital and essential.
At Charlottesville, the cops stood down to make it easier for the opposing groups to physically clash. The then chief of police said it was better to let the two groups "fight it out" because that would make it easier to close down the event. This is in the official Heaphy Report. Perhaps oddly, Heaphy later became chief investigative counsel for the J6 Committee.
BLM =astroturfed divide and rule operation.
America mate. If you can ignore the details around the murder of your president (The Warren Report) then you can slant your violence narrative. God bless bro/sis.
Makes sense. If they shut it down early there's no prolonged issue
@@RabornTau But it's also tossing the First Amendment down the toilet.
@@drlobomalo You sound as if you don't realize that's part of the plan.
Those who resort to censorship and silencing dissent are never honest
Alaways unpalogetically expose the truth.
Who is starting the violence is more important than just saying there was violence on the right and the left.
Journalism has forgotten its moral core.
Nice, honest discussion. Thanks
Blm should apologize for doing whatever he caught on film.
They're too busy buying mansions with all that donation money.
17:09 That Driving While Black thing is such BS. I live outside of Detroit. When you cross 8 Mile into Detroit the difference is immediately notable. Many people on that side treat traffic laws, like stop lights, turn signals and having license plates, like suggestions you are free to ignore.
The true, true, this type of content keeps me sane. As a generous & actively caring person (service towards others), having the world change what is virtuous almost overnight and refuse to discuss why I should change my mind while labeling any questioning hateful, has made this world a place I don’t want to be in as much.
I have come upon this video months after it came out. It's a rare find indeed. Lee Fang is an extraordinary journalist. I saved it for more future viewing. More than anything else, I am reminded how journalism as we know it these days has become merely reciting what amounts to prewritten scripts based on predetermined dogmas. The fact that this standout journalist is not better known is surprising, almost certainly reflecting the reality that decision makers in today's journalism don't really care for anything controversial.
The word "racist" now gets thrown around with so little thought that it no longer has any meaning or punch. Being called a racist now just means someone disagrees with you and wants to stick you with the most damaging label. It's possible today to just laugh away being called a racist.
Great interview
Mind blowing interview - even when you already had your own road map of this disaster!
Good episode!
A very settling interview. Although it affirms what we thought. I'm already past that. How can we remove this authoritarian involved actions. Being used in America. The land of the free
Wow. At the end of this interview. Very eye opening but left me feeling a bit hopeless 😞
Yes a number of journalists once got jobs after quitting school or started working for newspapers after high school graduation (Peter Jennings comes to mind).
Amazing interview!!
Great interview!
I think Lee Fang is my current favorite journalist. So glad he left the Intercept. Will probably subscribe to his substack. Worth it.
What a nice a thoughfull bloke. A true journo.
Gosh..Mr.Lee is certainly one of the finest-looking guy I've ever seen😍💕
Ikr! He's a beauty
Nothing significant will ever change as long as half of the population thinks censorship is perfectly acceptable as long as it's the other political side that is been censored.
So very Sad!
The old traffic stops whine, The fact is their cars are way more often to be illegal in terms of registration and insurance, not to mention way more equipment violations.
They don't know, they don't show, or they don't care.
Every life matters My dog’s life, the birds in my garden, the bees etc
Every life matters except one certain demographic, 6 years of rioting and violence from them have proved that.
NEVER Apologize TO THE MOB , your done after you do !!!
What about the kids? The double mastectomies at 13 and bottom surgery's at 16 years old. These activists just switched their topic.
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he forgot about Rodney King
If you look under the hood there’s not much there. It’s a reputation improvement service for corporations earning billions of dollars.
ESG generates big fees for banks & consultants, but not much else.
There is not much evidence it’s improving society or any core business practices. It’s superficial.
ESG helps a company look progressive without lifting a finger. It borrows language from the far-left to mask raw capitalism and has no effect.
Companies are rated by firms like MSCI who work on behalf of Blackrock or State Street and other asset managers.
But companies self-report and exaggerate or conceal numbers all the time.
There is no evidence that companies which embrace DEI policies change any core business practices. Just because their is elite representation doesn’t mean anything. Companies are NOT going to hire or add to their board anyone who wants to dismantle capitalism and defund the police.
If they sense a segment of their buyers agree with the anti-capitalist sentiment of BLM, they will contribute, but it’s just more smoke and blue mirrors.
The ESG Movement is built around-reporting, self-regulation and completely moveable goal posts.
Wall Street and Bay Street don’t want legislators to actually change rules.
The oil majors lowering their carbon footprint by selling some reserves to private equity funds are just moving carbon emissions around, an accounting trick. These assets still get developed, just w less accountability. The ESG green rebrand appears cosmetic.
Now we have companies flooding the airwaves with messages about how Woke they are, how socially responsible they are, how they care more about shareholders than profit.
And it’s working. We haven’t seen a transformative piece of legislation in years.
ESG is an advertising mask.
Lee Fong
The examples for political violence were two instances of rightwingers showing up and being attacked by the leftwing. The rightwing did not initiate, they were taking advantage of the right to gather peaceably to protest, no different to the various climate change protests. They got permission to protest first and then walked down the street, nothing more. Are there examples of rightwing violence? Probably, but those were not good examples. If the leftwing hadn't engaged in physical assault at Charlottesville, actually if the police had been allowed to do their job and keep the two sides separate as usually happens, then things would not have got out of hand. I remember the reporting from back then and the rightwingers were blamed for the deaths of a couple of police officers who died after their helicopter crashed due to mechanical malfunction. Utter bias reporting and the authorites were just as much to blame for that young woman being killed as the driver of that vehicle.
He's talking about San Leandro, a town just south of Oakland. The people that looted the Chrysler dealership on Marina were pro's. They directed the crowd from accross the street where they were looting the strip mall. The used power tools to vreak into the key locker and stole all the Hellcat Chargers while everyone else just looted all the other cars. Within 2 days they stripped the engines and transmissions from the Hellcats as they are worth kike $20K easy.
Each week an extra button is undone😂
Rich kid journalists live the NIMBY dream.
I think they are actually empathetic to those less well off. Which is why they talk about the death ignored . R.I. P Secoriea Turner
In the late 1960s when I graduated high school there were these 4 family members, a female sister to 3 brothers 2 of which were criminally led, with one leader of gang, and the youngest member a great and clear writer so vivid in his writing and he wanted to be a newspaper writer, despite his brothers often grist for the mill as his brothers were often perpetraters of some of the crimes, but weren't caught, but the writer/brother often was in the middle knowing who committed the crime or crimes or groups in the actions, from auto theft rings to you name it, and he'd often talk about the kind of writing he wanted to do. He was never about anything but a goof story reporting and informing and he liked the fact he was once in a while late with his rent and just barely made his bills as he'd travel to places for the story anywhere across the country, and I saw him years later and he was so depressed, as he'd tell how in the Iraq war how his 'colleagues' never left the hotel.And he complained how current journalists were prima donnas and he wasn't bitter, but he was disappointed in his fellow writers.
His family is H**efn*** his name Teddy, I called him bear. He was always protective of his sister. Lee reminds me of Bear, it was always about an interest that he had come across and it spurred him on,as for his interests and they were varied and was the next article, or story.
Thanks, Lee you're a great journalist thanks for your work
Can you let Winston know that “Medallions are Us” would be a good place to shop to complete the look.
super helpful thanks
I think so too!
Never apologize to the mobs because you’re finished if u do
For the Lord's sake tie your top button Winston!
It's both crazy and infuriating to be living in a time when being an honest reporter bringing people's views to the public is considered worthy of threats of violence and job loss. Mad times we live in 😮