Zoom Q2N 4K vs Q8 vs Canon M50 - what's best for musicians?
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
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Lots of timestamps for this one!
0:00 - Intro
1:15 - unboxing
Part I - VLOGGING (no instrument)
6:36 - Q2N 4K 30 fps
6:52 - Q2N 1080p 24 fps
7:11 - 1080p 60 fps at 40% speed
7:27 - Q2N 4K 24 fps
8:12 - Q8 3M hires
10:42 - Canon EOS M50 1080p 24 fps with Rode Videomic Pro
11:54 - Canon M50 with built-in microphone
13:33 - Canon M50 with 11-22 mm lens
15:06 - Canon M50 with 50 mm lens and adapter mount
Part II - WITH INSTRUMENT
17:55 - Q2N 4K - Q8 - CANON M50 comparison
Part III - VIDEOCONFERENCING
18:54 - explanation of setup
19:18 - with MacBook Pro camera and internal mic
19:32 - with Q2N 4K
20:25 - with Q8
Part IV - WITH INSTRUMENT AND VIDEOCONFERENCING
22:43 - intro
23:40 - with MacBook internal camera and mic
23:51 - with Q2N 4K
24:31 - with Q8
25:22 - with iPhone - Hudba
This is a really great video demonstration. The best I’ve seen. I needed a real in-depth comparison for a band environment and you demonstrated everything I could have questioned. For the money I think this is a no brainer. One thing I also discovered is that if you are recording a full show, the recording file stays intact and un interrupted unlike a GoPro that splits your files into segments every 15 minutes (in the middle of songs). A plus for musicians.
That’s good to know-thanks, and thanks for the kind words! 😊
Except he's demoing the 4K video capability in a youtube video with only 1080 resolution...
Great enthusiasm and excitement for these devices. I enjoyed watching this!
Thanks!!
This is exactly what I was looking for, thank you for this video!
Thanks for the vid. It is helping me close in on what I want to get.
thanks for this video. the explanations and examples were well worth the watch
An excellent set of reviews with good honest opinions and demonstrations. Brilliant.
Thanks!
Great video! Pretty clear that Zoom's focus is the audio, but that's absolutely perfect for recording live music
Best review ever. A lot of info and comparission
This review is incredibly informative and useful for musicians who are searching for good home recording devices for their audition, house concerts etc. Thank you so much~!
Very comprehensive review. Thank you.
Love your enthusiasm. Good advice too.
Thank you for this! This was very helpful!
Thanks so much... this is a great review and so very helpful.
And spectacular mini concert with your bass!!
Great thorough video! Thanks!
Thanks for creating this man! (: appreciate it!
you bet!
Greeeaat video !!!! really good reviews
thank you for this great video, I´m looking for a camera to record percussion and timpani, and you helped me a lot to know more about the zoom cameras.
Thank you for this comparison, really helpful!!
You bet!
Amazing video! Thanks, very informative
Thanks!
Nice side-by-side comparisons. Thanks!
You bet!
I have owned the Zoom Q8 for several years and you are spot on with this review. Great features, but video is so so.
Thanks-I agree!
how is it for low light
@@rossbyron Zoom = not so good
mate, i've been watching videos and reading articles about the canon 50mm lens all day trying to get an idea of its field of view (we're in lockdown so no option to go into a store to try). you just answered my question - at about 15:30 you say "it's about six feet away" Bingo! i've been seeing all these technical reviews and comparisons with other lenses etc but they never say or show how close or far you need to be to get the results. now at last i can visualize what i'll get if i'm at the other end of the room. or if i knock a hole in the wall and stand at the other end of the next room.........
very UseFul Information!
thanks mate!
Much appreciated-thank you!
Great Review! Thx!
Excellent video!
Thanks for this review, I was going to buy the Zoom Q2N 4K but having watched your review, I have realised that it is not suitable for my purpose, saved me a tonne of time and money.
awesome review. cheers!
Thanks!
Hello, Jason (alias, Contrabass Conversations)...Happy 4th of July! What a great review of the Q2n-4k. I was very impressed with your enthusiasm for this video cam and, after watching both of your reviews, I decided to try one. That was last week and everyone was completely sold-out! I was put on a waiting list and was notified yesterday that more were in-stock...great! Mine should be here next week. As a musician, I'm creating a CZcams Channel of my own and I have a couple of technical questions for you. I'm not at all very tech-savvy when it comes to web-cam, conferencing, etc. but my 17-year-old son has helped me with recording, editing, and posting my videos. Most of what I'm doing currently is solo Jazz guitar arrangements on an iPad. The tools I've learned to use for editing consist of iMovie, Scroll Credits, and YT Studio. One question I have for you is - are these tools usable on my new Mac Book Air? I've had it for a year now and am not sure how to edit my recordings with the Q2n-4K using my Mac Book. As far as I know, I can't transfer my Zoom recordings to an iPad for editing nor, most likely, would I want to. Can you help me? Also, for straight-out recording, it seems that the Q2n-4K is totally sufficient without the use of external mics, etc. in order to give me the improved quality that I'm looking for...just recording - plain and simple. Once again, great job on your very helpful and informative reviews! Please, check-out my channel if you get the chance. Thanks, Jason!
I'm so glad it was helpful--thanks, Fred!
hi jason! i'm very grateful to have come across your video. i'm a harpist/vocalist and i'm looking to up my video recording game (i only use my little broken iphone for instagram videos here and there). i saw that someone mentioned your wife being a harpist and i wonder what she uses to record herself! i find it so hard to capture the warmth and beauty of the harp. thanks once again for this great video! warm wishes from snowy montréal xx
I learned a lot here. Great video!!🥁🙏
Thanks!
I recently bought a 4k webcam and your video just confirmed that I need to start saving up and get an interchangeable lens camera. Thank you very much for your review.
You bet! The Q2N does a lot, but having a proper camera with lenses will be next level for sure.
I’m late to the party, but thank you for this incredibly detailed review. You covered all the important things very well!
Thanks!
Awesome video, thank you! I own and operate a music school with well over 400 students and at the moment due to the pandemic we are completely shut down and I have many students requesting online lessons. I have been researching so many camera options and the zoom Q2N-4K seems to be the best bang for the buck, especially because of the audio quality. Unfortunately, there aren't many video reviews about this camera and all the ones I have watched were all plugged in with the USB when it came to using it as a camera for video conferencing. I researched a little more and found out that you can use the micro hdmi, and not mini hdmi by the way... that's a completely different cable, so I went ahead and ordered a bunch of these cameras anyway and I am waiting in anticipation for them to arrive. I would love to see you review this camera plugged in through the micro hdmi. THANKS!
Thanks for the info! Dang it, I ordered the wrong cable. :-) I just ordered a micro HDMI cable on Amazon, and I'll check out the results and report back!
Thanks for clarifying that this will live stream via HDMI.
@@doublebasshq Hello, did you test the micro HDMI for live streaming ? I'm interested in using the zoom Q2N-4K together with the atem mini switcher and it would be good not to have to use a USB-hdmi converter.
Thank you for your knowledge
Wow man, thank you for this! Very informative.
The best video review on... well, anything... that I've ever seen. Truly great job, Sir! :)
I have the earlier non-4K version of the Q2N. I really like it as a basic device for getting decent audio recordings.
Flare is awful if you leave off the lens hood, but no problem with it on.
I was very disappointed with battery life at first. But I bought the (overpriced) optional battery pack which fits the camera very neatly and provides an additional 4 batteries worth of power. I also switched to high capacity (Panasonic eneloop) Ni-MH batteries (you need to change a setting on the camera menu). Battery life is now not an issue at all.
I also find that the "Jazz Club" light setting seems to work best in my house. Who knew it, I practically live in a Jazz Club - very happy with that concept ;)
I'll try that 'jazz light' setting--thanks for the tip! I've been working on getting the video settings dialed in. I just left it on auto for this video, but I'm shooting a bunch of bass stuff today, so I'll try jazz club and see what it looks like.
Good tip for the battery pack also! I'll look into that for sure. It would be great to be able to set it up and not worry about draining the power.
What is the battery life of thus camera? I am planning to record an hour set at a time. TIA
@@elyamzon I'm not sure if this question is for me or Jason. I haven't tried to see how long my camera lasts for. It was a very short time with the standard batteries. Much better with the battery pack and Panasonic Batteries. I only tend to use it for recording my practice sessions. - so lots of short bursts. I don't know if it will last an hour. You have the option to plug in external (5V USB) power if that is an option.
I would also advise getting the lens hood as lens flare without it is awful.
@@verynearlyaboutsailing8114 thank you for your response. I am glad the USB power is an option. My band usually plays 3 1-hr sets.
Nice reviews. The advantage of the M50 of course is that you can touch the screen on the inside/outside and backlit scenarios and adjust things not he fly so easily, especially with the 22mm f2 lens. you should try it and there are sooooooo many audio options that it will knock your socks off. it's my "jump to" cam for certain. Relative to lenses, I tell everyone get the lowest number f-stop you can afford because you can always through on an ND filter to stop the lens down but don't go with f3.5 or f4 which is a famous for Canon to keep costs down. The f2 22mm is great for wide angle and works awesome in low light.
Agreed!
I think the best solution is to use good camera with good optics together with zoom (H1n?, H4n PRO, H5, H6).
Nice vid, thanks!
Glad you liked it!
Tnx for this !
You bet!
Nice review, but to be honest I thought the image and sound quality was terrible on both Zoom products. I glad I watched your review....thank you!
well done very helpful
Thanks!
Hi was wondering how long this thing records on a full charge and how long does it take to charge from 0 to 100% ive had 3 bad luck instances with go pro either that or they just truelly are a poor product, the go pro turns on by itself so when i get ready to use it thinking its battery is 100 than i will see its on maybe 2%, never sees to stop, i thought it was just me forgetting to turn it off all the time but its truelly a piece of junk, i was hoping to buy this zoom qn 4 k to record guitar playing, just hope this wont be my 4th electronic product that has terible flaws, i dont need all kinds of picky stuff, just a good battery that records long than 50 mins like my gopro here 8 and take 120 mins to charge and sometimes up to 3 hrs at times, has a mind of its own.
Is it possible to hook my mixing board to the Q4n-2k? And can I go live to Facebook or CZcams directly from the camera? Thanks
How is it for online violin lessons? Can anybody answer it? Thank you.
I love your bass!!! 🥰
Thanks!
Contrabass Conversations i’m waiting on my camera from Best Buy, also are you offering any online Bass lessons? 🙋🏽♀️
Wld you happen to know how do I upload videos from my Q2N-4K to my Chromebook? I am able to put it on the Chrome, but after that it is as if it isn't even there when I try to upload. Do you have any suggestions as to how I should go about it. Thanks
Okay Jason when I buy the ZOOM Q2n I'll watch your video.
What tripod do you recommend me for my Q2n4k?
I was looking for a decent 4K backup camera and I am gratefull for your review, Now I know i do not want to get the Zoom 4K. Specially for videos (with instrument ) it seems that the quality is dull and has nothing to do with crisp colors i get on my Lumix GH5. As for the canon M50, for vlogging and youtubing you should try the sigma 16mm / F1.4 lens. Its the best results I ever got for the M50.
Luc
Zoom struck gold with their original H1 microphone technology - which they seem to base these elaborate models on. I love the 3 H1's own. I just ordered a H2N version for the 360 pattern. Their cameras have disappointed me. I use my Zoom H1 with my inexpensive Canon camcorder and my premium smartphone camera. Lots of bang for the buck that way.
Any one knows does the Q2n-4k support 512GB or even 1TB micro sd card ? Thank you very much !
Hi😊 looking for a good device to record myself at home playing keyboards and singing, Zoom was what I was thinking of, be okay to use it for this? Will also want to use it onstage with my band when we get back to gigging after Covid😢
I adore the 2QN4k for my channel, but the using AA batteries is the dumbest decision. Especially with the life they actually last!
This is a really informative review, by the way can I know the camera you used for this video. Its an extraordinary both audio and video
Sure! It was all done with the Canon M50 unless indicated otherwise. Good and affordable camera!
Great information, thank you for doing all this legwork for the rest of us!! I'm curious if you've tried about the same equipment with your wife playing the harp and if you had any opinions on one recorder working better for one instrument than the other.
Not yet, but I should! Will try to do it soon.
@@doublebasshq i'm also interested in knowing how the cameras worked with the harp!
@@mariehamiltonmusic They worked ok! The M50 is the best overall, but if the light is bright, the Zoom cameras do a decent job as well. 😀
@@doublebasshq thank you so much :) take care !
Which of these comes with a wireless remote? I don’t want to record the whole gig/practice session but I don’t want to run backwards and forwards.
I have a question regarding using the USB port as a power supply for Zoom Q2n 4K, when I plug in my camera directly to a power source with USB cable and power adapter my 2a batteries are still dying. The battery icon disappears from the screen which means that cable is working, but my batteries are still gone, and I tried with 3 different pairs. After 2h they are gone. What could be the problem?
Dude just remove the batteries and use the power source via usb
You are very skilled double bass player. Impressive
Thank you very much!
Dude, I thought the Canon microphone on its own didn't sound too bad at all! Great video sir.
Yeah, I’ve been impressed by the camera body mic!
Perfect timing. Was thinking about buying the zoom. 2 minutes into the video now...
Awesome! I think it's a great piece of gear for the price. I have a soft spot in my heart for Zoom products, and I've used the H2 and H6 to record thousands of hours of audio. It's great to see that they've got a reasonably priced camera that gets good video as well as audio!
Does q2n4k have line input so I can connect mixer out to its line in
why does the image look so much better on the q8 than the Q2n if the q2n is allegedly 4k? Also the sound seems much better on the q8?
Hello, Jason! I wanted to give an update on what I've discovered with my new Zoom Q2n-4K. I've been doing some test videos with the help of my son. He's still not convinced that we're recording in 4k, especially when he compares it to what he's done on his iPhone. Well, I've been studying the "Owner's Manual" download and discovered something very important. They claim that recording in 4k needs to be done with a micro-SD card minimum UHS-Speed Class 3 (U3) and minimum Video Speed Class 10. Also, I learned that regular micro-SD cards will record in 4GB increments (?) but, if you use a micro-SD SDXC card, operation is continuous. I have a SanDisk 64GB Extreme Pro MicroSDXC UHS-1 Speed Class 3 / Video Speed Class 30 on order. I'll begin testing with it as soon as it arrives and, hopefully, we'll get some great 4k videos from my new Q2n-4k...'hope this helps.
The 4GB segments is a limitation of the filesystem used on the SD card, so it's worth keeping in mind that you can face the same problems with an SDXC card if you do not format it as exFAT (though in saying that, you can still easily put the individual clips together in any video editing software)
When you were recording and new files where started at the 4gb limit, did you find it missing frames of video or moments of audio? The device I'm looking to replace has a good UHS 1 card but consistently looses 6-20 frames each time it makes a new file, sadly it's not exFAT compatible.
Why didn`t you test it first and tell us the results first? Stop comparing and start shooting. You are not helping your son learn about making a video. I have friends who end up taking their equipment apart before they get anything done. Try this: Shut up and shoot. It doesn't cost anything but an hour or two. End of story.
Oh, learn to speak clearly without ums and ahs. Close your mouth at the end of the sentence, OK? Get going.
Hey brother , I just subscribe to your channel, I’m bass player too but electric. I’m new to the video recording you convinced me to get the Zoom Q2n, my question you you is I want to connect my bass into the camera, what’s the best way to get the best quality audio? I will be playing with MP3 like cover songs.. you are awesome! Thank you for all the explanations 🙏
Good question! There is an external 1/8 inch input on the device, so maybe a 1/4 to 1/8 adapter? I'm not sure if you need a preamp or can jack in directly to the Q2N, though. Has anyone else tried to do this? Let us know!
Contrabass Conversations hi thank you so much , that’s what I though. Well, I’m 2 days things change lol 😂 my birthday is next week so my best friend got me a Zoom Q 8, I know I know lol I heard what you said the video quality is not so great but the audio Out is awesome.. so I don’t need to look perfect clear but ok more audio.. Yes , I will go Bass to my preamp to my Apogee to the camera, I hope that will work well.. but my Zoom will be here in 2 weeks , I will let you know! Thank you so much for your videos 🙏 take care ..
So which is the best for upright bass audio?
Does the canon m50 have sound distortion to bass ?? Or can it capture bass well?
Has anyone here tried the Shure MV88+ and know how it compares with Zoom Q2N and Q8 in terms of the sound quality?
I’m renting the zoom qn4k, awesome sound and video, but it drives me crazy that there is not a remote control start and stop recording feature. So when recording a solo performance it also records the user running to and from the camera to hit record and end record. So then the user needs to import it into the iMovie movie and trim those unwanted bits out from the start and end of our musical performance. Also, there is no option to use an ac adapter for power, since you burn thru new batteries in the blink of an eye
Hi there, great review. Does any of those cameras have a reverb or echo effect for the built in mics or do you know any camera that has those effects? Thanks in advance
New subscriber too
good video... i think it is a good audio quality..but the video quality is not the same level...isn't good. (zoom q2n)
Good work. Not a lot of info on ZOOM cameras, they're kinda off to the left for most... I still think Q8 would have been a killer cam if the video quality was on par with audio - as opposed to good mics on a dash cam it is now. IMO ZOOM missed out on perfect niche for themselves, which they can still exploit - there are A LOT good small video cameras out there, most with poor audio. The answer to that is not device with excellent audio and poor video :) Maybe Q8 mark II will be the answer.
Thank you.
Yeah, Zoom is so close! They just need to tweak a few things and they’d be a clear #1. Audio is pretty much always awesome for them-it’s that tricky video + audio frontier that’s not quite there yet.
Really hard to compare when camera angles are different for every camera.
Great review! I use similar gear.
Q2N still doesn't impress me picture wise.
I started on the Q8 when it came out for music and simple presentations. The lens sucks unless you've got really good natural light. Still, it's a great tool for field recording.
Now I use the M50 with a Sigma 16mm f1.4 lense with Rode Wireless Go, or the inbuilt mic for close spoken content
I'm in the same boat! I find myself using the Q2N for a webcam for bass lessons, but that's about it. I really only use the Q8 for long-form podcast stuff. I cringe at the video quality, but if I'm outdoors talking to people then I can deal with it. :-)
After recording from both/either of these, How do you up load your content on Facebook, CZcams etc?
CZcams Studio and Meta Business Suite!
On Zoom H1 the date/time erases after the batteries die... and the battery dies like crazy
But does it have clean HDMI?
Be extremely careful that this camera does not tip over when attached to a tri pod, the housing that holds the tripod is not strong. That's exactly what happened to mine, 5 month old camera , now useless. Very disappointed that Zoom would not make this right and cover this under warranty.
How long can the Canon M50 shoot before the sensor gets too hot? We'd like to start getting A/V of our gigs and practices and maybe playing an acoustic song in the park, but I know camcorders can shoot for hours on end or until the battery dies or card gets full. The footage on the M50 is leaps and bounds beyond the Zoom ones, and the audio is ok, but how does the audio hold up to a loud rock band? The audio of the Q8 is much fuller than the other two, and its video looks OK under decent light. Thanks for your reviews!
There’s a 30 minute time limit per video for the M50, but I’ve never run into an overheating issue. I’d recommend an external mic or using a Q8 and mixing the audio and video in post. The M50 is a good option!
@@doublebasshq Thanks for the response! The M50 looks amazing, but some of our sets are more than an hour long, so it wouldn't make sense for that purpose. Maybe a camcorder or the Q8 would be good. I also have a ZoomR16 audio recorder, and the gigs I've recorded with that sound great, but that would be a lot to setup cameras and an audio recorder and plug in all my guitar gear in the 10 minute changeover. The Q8 makes the most sense for a simple setup. I can set my phone on a tripod as a B-Cam or maybe get a little action camera so I can switch up angles in post production. But yes, audio matters more than video.
The Canon eos m50 for the win have you tried the new zoom q8n-4k?
I have a QN2, do you think for interviews I should just buy a professional video Rode mic that I can plug on my Android Phone? I have a Samsung A32. The video seems better than the QN2. Also, I was trying to upload a 13min video on youtube from the QN2 and it would take ages...do you know why?
Yeah, I’d go with your phone video plus the Rode. Not sure about the CZcams upload issue-that shouldn’t be a problem, so maybe there was a bandwidth issue or something like that.
is it posible to record Audio alone just to save storage capacity > thank you
Yup--you can do that also!
Is this good for concerts
Q2n 4k or q8 ? :/
I'm a vocal Coach and I'm looking for something to record lesson with my students. That little bad boy looks like just the ticket!
The q2n 4k isn't bad and I know its not designed for anything like a dslr but the q2n lacks zooming (pardon the pun) features. For an action cam, I'd rather get the GoPro. As a q2n owner, I'm not hating, just saying.
Fun fact I have the m50 with a shotgun mic and it doesn't sound well recording church. I'm gonna use the zoom for off-camera audio. I won the zoom
Yeah, the shotgun on the M50 doesn’t seem to be that great for music. I try to use the Zoom as well and swap in that audio when I’m editing.
Contrabass Conversations I think the M50 pre amps just aren’t up to par. For most other things it’s fine though
Is zoom q8 powered (without using the battery) while it is connected via usb to the pc?
You can power with the computer when you're plugged in via USB.
can you record more than 30 minutos of video with the canon? :0
I don't think so--that's a big downside!
The Cannon steals the show. Thumbs up.
can the Q2n4k fit most tripods ?
yes
I'm a musician and I just bought a Panasonic HC-VXF1 Camcorder for recording my gigs, those Zoom toys just dont have the video quality I want and I need a video camera that can run for 3 hours recording the entire gig without stopping or going warm.
I've had the same experience. I moved over to a Sony a7iv, which is much more versatile (and also more expensive!).
Hello, did you solve the latency problem with the Q2N?
Yeah, it has been working fine these days. Maybe I just ended to update something, but no significant latency issues for me these days.
@@doublebasshq thank you for the reply! Love your channel btw. Just got myself the Zoom to use as a webcam and I’m getting a Canon M50 to record videos with.
@@keithpennington6141 Nice! The M50 is a great camera for the money IMO. Enjoy both that and the Zoom! 😀
A power bank for the Q2n is the best option for long recordings.
my battery still dies?!
@@goddamnzordan do you mean the device turns off?
@@rossfromsa yes!
RosFromSA can you help maybe??
@@rossfromsa ?
Q8 👍
just curious do you play jazz bass also
A little, but it's not my main thing 😃
looks like the webcam glass is dirty ...
Bom
😂✌🏾 Love your energy...thank you 🙂
😊 thank you!