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Denon DJ SC LIVE 2 and SC LIVE 4: a New Direction? | Beatsource Tech
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- čas přidán 2. 11. 2022
- Denon DJ's new SC LIVE 2 and SC LIVE 4 are the company's latest standalone, all-in-one devices. With new streaming options and built-in speakers, Denon seems to be taking the brand in a different direction compared to the older PRIME series hardware. On this episode of "Beatsource Tech," Mojaxx puts the SC LIVE 4 under the microscope and tries to work out who it's aimed at.
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AN IMPORTANT UPDATE FROM MOJAXX: Today, the day after the launch, Denon DJ have announced ‘corrected’ pricing for both units.
SC LIVE 2: $1099
SC LIVE 4: $1299
So keep that in mind when you watch the video. At those prices I’d say they are MUCH more competitive with the rest of Denon DJ’s products, and I’m much happier to recommend the 4 (as that’s the only one I’ve used).
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IMPORTANT UPDATE: Today, the day after the launch, Denon DJ have announced ‘corrected’ pricing for both units.
SC LIVE 2: $1099
SC LIVE 4: $1299
So keep that in mind when you watch the video. At those prices I’d say they are MUCH more competitive with the rest of Denon DJ’s products, and I’m much happier to recommend the 4 (as that’s the only one I’ve used).
That’s a definite win for those keeping it 💯
@@djstuc Sorry, no. Unless a product is only sold in a different currency, it’s gonna be U.S dollar pricing.
Most of our viewers are in the U.S, and the majority of people in other places know roughly what a dollar equates to in their own currency.
And I don’t want to spend half my videos reeling off prices in multiple currencies!
Here for EU/GER: Yesterday 1600€. Today 1300€. Using google is not that hard, people :)
And btw @Mojaxx, I fully agree with you! With these prices, these units are HIGHLY competitive!
@@djstuc £949 and £1129 in the UK 🇬🇧
That is a better price. But the flaws you picked, would still make it a no go for me. I do love Denon products though. BTW, That mix you did at my friends Smoove on TNCE, was class. Big Respect. I did a guest appearance on there and planning to do another.
I thought I was subscribed already? Subscribed.
The opening lines were savage but you hit the nail on the head! Great progress with the weight loss too.
After watching the whole Review, your conclusion is SPOT ON! What are they thinking? Yes, they aren't "Prime" devices but they needed to be the successors to the
Prime 4.
what a review!!! thank you for keeping it 10000
Thanks for the update MoJaxx. Always a fantastically balanced review. I have a prime 4 and a prime go as a result of your reviews and Cleveland Terrys. Mostly yours because of the effort you and denon went into to dive deeply on features and collaborative feedback. You are an authentic marketing tool for this brand and its a pleasure to see you rocking it with well produced, authentic content. Keep on rockin.
You nailed it: "This is not the finest hour for the InMusic marketing team"!
Now this is the review i was waiting for.
You hit the nail on the head with this review.
I also feel that inflation has alot to do with it and I do believe that Demon's new flagship will be astronomically priced.
Thank you for a great honest review.
Thanks for the honest review!
Great video as always, your honesty and candor are to be admired. Like Cleveland Terry said, you can trust Mojaxx!!
The price drop is very interesting, possible reaction to the reviews, industry pressure etc?
Fantastic overview with some great points as always Mojaxx. I fully agree with your point as to where does it fit in. When I read about it first and saw the price I was thinking why wouldn't you just hang on and go Prime 4 which is a beast of a controller. If this was priced around the €1000 euro mark it would make sense exactly as you said and it would put a lot of pressure on Pioneer in that price range of products.
I love my Prime 4, from the moment I first got it out of the box and set it up right to now, 2 years later, the thing still amazes me how good it is, and with a prime Go for back up, perfect for everywhere I dj, Bar, Club & Twitch... I have for the last 2 years use the Prime 4 exclusively standalone but am tempted to use it with Serato for STEMS. I was kinda hoping Denon was going to release the SC Live Line up with Hardware support for STEMs / Serato like the New Rane appears to have, considering INMusic own both brands, that could have been just what the SC4 needed to make me consider buying one...
The Prime 4 (if available) goes for 2499€ in Europe. The SC Live 4 is priced at 1598€. I'd say that's more than enough of a difference to justify the SC Live 4's price. As to who the unit is for: I'd say it's aimed at a very broad range of home users. Lots of great features, and a more "industry standard" approach to the fx section - which many will prefer. The speakers are the only decision I don't get. But the unit is kind of a steal for what it does. Also, try to find a 4ch standalone, or a competing 2ch standalone that you can purchase right now. Availability is key in these times!
1200€ by now… absolute steal
I’m a pioneer user but have been converted to Denon. I’ve realised that pioneer seem to have remained dominant because DJs like familiarity and the innovation of the prime series is a huge change.
Seems like Denon are reigning it in and are aiming for an approach like an updated XDJ unit than a Denon unit, which could bridge the gap between pioneer users and Denon gear.
To me though, it seems a bit rough around the edges, it misses the polish that both pioneer and prime units have. Great that there’s a 4 channel standalone at a decent price, but I do think they’ve missed the mark with this a bit
Don't really get the hate in the comments here. These controllers will do the job , have 100mm pitch faders and are what I'd recommend to any serious beginner dj. There are already far too many controllers without 100mm pitch faders. They are built to a budget, if you want better then get the Prime 4. 12v dc is actually handy for portability too. I'm actually considering the sc live 2 just for backup/portable decks.
Far more than just "serious" beginner DJs. I do the job for 10+ years now and got a Live 4 to have an portable, yet powerful setup with integrated speakers and 12V powerbank compatibility. The LEDs in my Anubis DJ mask also benefit from SoundSwitch. Killer device.
@@Skaratakhow do you feel about the poor crossfader on sc live 4? There’s a lot of travel before you actually hear the music and this is a big problem for people that like to cut and scratch.
Myself included. I think I could get used to it but I’ve just heard so many bad things about this device and it’s off putting
1 can’t connect turntables
2 travel on crossfader
3 scratchy is apparently bad on this device
4 jog wheel feels bad to lots
5 plastic cheap build
6 Too high price for what it is
7 people report of sound bleed. Say you playing song on deck 1 and are getting a song ready to mix in deck 2, even though the crossfader is all the way over to the left, you can hear the other song slightly and 1 guy said this happened after 1 month and 25 hours. I guess around 1 hour per day. This really worries me.
Amazon did say I can buy and return if unhappy but I’d feel a certain way about opening an item that’s £1000 using and sending back because I don’t like the quality.
I know I shouldn’t feel this way but I’d feel bad to send back because it can’t get sold as brand new or they clean and resell and someone is unhappy because there’s a fingerprint and they can tell it’s been used. 😂
Thank you for being real.....stay true
Denon tried to make a fancier FLX-6, said if we splash a screen and some speakers it's now TWICE as good and thus we can charge TWICE as much. 😆 Mojaxx nailed it... Where does this fit? At least we saw where the FLX-6 fit. It was for bedroom/streaming DJs who might be better than a DDJ-400 but when you have a product like the Prime 4 and THEN you have the Prime Go and you have the Numark... It's like bruh, why you making this? Seems like you're just wasting chips in the midst of a shortage! 🤦♂️
Good honest review.....
Nice video! Looks like a Mixstream Pro upgrade 🤔
Love the review alot
this feels painful somehow. How come there is so little cost reduction considering the amount of cut features.
It just feels off, especially with the speakers.
Denon really had people on their side when they started the prime range and this just feels like a step back
Great video and review Mojaxx! You pose a great question about the Denon SC Live series of controllers ; what target market is this for? IMO as DJs have transformed from the pandemic there is a new hybrid niche of performance DJs from bedroom and direct to venue. Is the series to get you from starting out to a festival or club? Is there a niche market of such? Only time will tell. But I can tell you there’s a lot of DJs online more than out at venues. Just my 2 cents.
The USP is the speakers. This is a genuine “all in one, use out of the box” DJ controller without the need for monitors to start with !!
Thanks Man. Your right it is the worst kept secret
I got a prime go. And I love it I just wish they have better fx, anyone as tried other options for the fx . Looking at the SC4 is not a bad deal
We need a PrimeGo 2 - with vertical knobs and bigger adjustable screen!!!
I definitely agree with you that these should have been around $1099 and $699 respectively to just really eat away at pioneers midrange market share. I have sc 5000s and a prime go. Can't see any compelling reason to get new hardware at this point however I would subscribe to a plan to keep getting new features on my existing stuff long term if that became a thing.
We have now very fair prices. And 699 would be ridiculous btw.
Denon also shows that the LC6000 are usable with the SC Live 4
I’m so curious what market signals led to these devices. There may be a bigger $1600 non-pro market than we think 🤔
for real
Mojaxx, your judgment is on point. I was thinking the same thing about Denon Dj new dj units. Question is, do Denon Dj/InMusic knows what the dj industry needs or is they out of touch?
Out of touch
Very well put, this is a bit pricy for its value!
I swear, the first company to make a standalone controller with a built in Sampler is gonna make a killing! That's the one feature I've been waiting for on these things!
Pioneer make a sampler..
Any controller that has cue points is sampler… just load in your cuts and make cue points.. done.
@@synthclub At this point, I'm ready for a dedicated standalone sampler that can be triggered solely by a function on the unit. If the point is to replace the laptop, that's the one thing Engine or Pioneer needs to take me off of Serato
Well you're in luck with update 3.0 lol
I’ll stick to my prime go. Thankyou very much. Good honest review there mate no beating round the bush. Tells it like it is. Shit.
Having to turn off the unit completely is such a let down. It's probably big enough to not even want to buy this. I have an MC7000 atm & I was looking for some other buttons that I usually use, like Track Pitch, that's a nifty trick while playing, Also the Pads aren't that great? I'm not really sure if this is a great option. Thanks for always uploading in depth & serious reviews. (Goes to search Prime 4 Review in Dj City)
Some really odd choices by InMusic, it's a shame that Prime Go and 2 never got support in SDJ Pro and we still don't have a nice, beefy 2 channel option.
fully agreed, always missed the Sweep EFX and SDJ support on the Prime 2.
Still hoping for some Serato support for the Go in some way
Everybody hating on it, but the modified layout alone adapting to closer cdj mixer setup is a selling feature. Remember how ddj 400 sold so much just for this reason.
For mobile gigs would people go for a sc2 or prime go? Currently using a ddj800 with a laptop and would like a 2nd option, cheers :)
I am keeping my prime four until they come with a prime four with motorized platters. Then I may consider it, but it's got to do the same thing it does now and then some.👍🏾
what if the denon prime 4 still on sale were the last ones? if they soon presented a new prime 4 (mk2) and that it costs more than the previous one?
I saw Denon's trailer for the SC Live 4. It does work as a standalone mixer if you plug in a pair of LC6000s. I think Denon's intention was to replace the Prime 2 with the SC Live 4. The SC Live 2 is more like a full sized Prime Go.
That doesn’t make it a standalone mixer, that just makes it a standalone device with extra control surfaces added. Cool that it can do that, though, yes.
Sc live 2 or numark pro go? Sc live 2 with engine 3.3 has 23 fx...but the other things may be the same, it weights 2 kg more but in quality and speakers sounds are better?
I will add a external battery to the sc live 2 to have a full portable like numark pro go.
Thanks.
Hi, I have got a new SC2. What I am struggling with the Engine DJ after it has converted from Virtual DJ is that I cannot get my search results for all of my tunes. I am embarrassed as I am sure it is so easy, but I cannot get my head around it. Any comments will be welcomed. Michael
I think you missed one point: for anyone that’s just getting in to DJing or thinking about it,the $2000 they save on the cost of computer is huge. I myself haven’t updated to new hardware because I can not do both: new laptop and new controller. This might just be the way for me.
Speaking as a prime user, you really still need a laptop to get the most out of the hardware. The laptop software is much simpler to add beatgrids and key info and to build playlists. You can do this on the hardware but it's definitely a clunky option over the prime laptop software. The same can be said for the top tier pioneer hardware
@@digitalbob agreed, BUT the type of laptop/computer needed to prep tunes is not the same as a laptop used to run the actual DJ software/hardware.
@@gilboogie true. Definitely don't need to spend a fortune on the laptop. I'm not dumpling on the prime gear, just thought it's worth considering before deciding to purchase them. I love my prime go, just add a couple of minirigs/sub and its the ultimate portable setup.
Prime 4 was about to challenge all brands to step up their controller game in 2019, but then COVID hit. If you look at Pioneer they released those new entry level controllers after the CDJ-3000s. I think this is just another plus one in that category for a market that is still reeling.
wait you can’t switch between laptop and usb stick seemlessly? i might have to send my unit back.
It's possible that the Live 4 would have been priced around $1,100 before the supply chain challenges and perhaps even now a slightly higher price would be expected but not $300 less than the Prime 4.
I don't know what the current prices of the Prime 4 are in the US and UK, but in eurozone they're going between 2.3k and 2.4k€, if they're in stock. Because most stores don't even have them in stock and didn't update their prices.
It is somewhat disappointing with the areas you highlighted Mojax, as the limited responses from the pads is a deal breaker for me, I use the sc6000s love the pads bought a mixstream pro for my son, and the pads are far less responsive he wouldn't know the difference (and yes the mixstream is a far cheaper device so the quality was not expected to be the same) i was hoping the sc4 would have had simmiler pads to the sc6000, I may have missed it but can you connect the lc6000s to the sc4? If not that is another deal breaker for me. Not fussed about Amazon music service but does seem odd in terms of how it currently functions.
I do prefer the layout of the sc live 4 to the prime 4 mainly due to it being a simmilar layout to the x1850 mixer. i hope the new prime 4 replacement has the same layout as the sc live 4 but just with the additional connections the prime 4 has. I think Denon was like we need to put some new stuff out there and this was the best they could do for the moment. I was tempted to get one but at present based on your review I may just hold of to see if the pad response can be improved and if the lc600s can be used with it.
Mojaxx looks like he lost some weight..👌
Denon should make a 4 channel Serato controller with large jog wheels like the SC6000. I don’t know why they’re sticking with standalone, people still like Serato and they have no controller competing against Pioneer (1000srt) & Rane (rane one)
Fantastic, objective review. This one's a hard pass for me...
Yeah, it seems Denon didn't learn anything from the SC5K pricing fiasco. The L4 should have been $1,299 and the L2 should have been $$999!! Then we could forgive all the shortcomings these have compared to the P2 and P4. Who wants to bet me that the retail price eventually ends up in that ballpark?!?
nice one, as you said the cost, to much for what you get,
nope. check again.
I'm sticking with the Prime Go, the ethernet is a lifesaver, but PLEASE get it to play with Serato
How do you Change from vertical to horizontal waveforms?
Press shift and view.
Personally I reckon the live 4 is the replacement for the Prime 2, but then, where does the live 2 come in?
So can you trigger sample sounds on the pads???
@Aberen 2.0 then..I’m out *Shark Tank voice
So at £990 is this good ent for a bedroom so that can’t play music too loud?
I think the USP was the fact u can dj whilst wireless streaming which to the best of my knowledge can’t be done on the prime 4
ofc you can do it on the P4 as well, google isn't your friend it seems
They needed to correct their software 1st before coming out with this!!
1. Day mode! ☀️
2. Playlist search 🔦
So much missing on the software side!
day mode is a must i agree with you, cannot see anything on the screen when ive used my prime go outside, and playlist search is also a must too, my other request (which did not need to be one) is Denon changed it so you cannot turn your history into a playlist on the device you need to import it in the desktop software, why did you this for Denon?
@@alexzanderking1556 I know! They need to work on software not hardware!!!
Hey Mojaxx, out of topick but are the sc5000 still a current production model ?
No they're not. Replaced by the SC6000
Spot on as usual Mojaxx. In reality these are Mixstream Pro upgrades, so it would make more sense if they were under the Numark brand due to the build quality, and priced at $1100 & $900. Definitely overpriced for software only control, offering nothing more than 2 additional channels and a streaming service that no one asked for, compared to the mixstream pro... oh & "bigger" speakers!...really?
Ah man I dunno what do to, want to switch to digital from vinyl.
Don’t have or want a computer.
Wish it was just a tiny bit better so could be sold
Same
Remove the speakers and put the USB ports on the top of the device and you got a competitive product. This is a miss from denon. Could of competeted with the pioneer ddj rx3.
As a prime 4 user yeah I don't get this one. plus Prime 4 is sublime. They just needed to get something out.
Meh, I really like the mixer's FX section got right, like it's really a bottleneck for a lot of DJs who're used play on my Prime 2, but the rest of the device looks like a toy from the lower shelves.
I'm still waiting for an upgraded Prime 4 or something similar with good connectivity and compatibility.
Heck i would even switch to Pioneer if they would implement features like Ableton Link to their mixers and or standalone devices. (I'm a big fan of using custom loops and drum fills from ableton and utilizing the Ableton Push 2 on stage)
The question I have is who exactly are these targeted towards? Most of these features (sans Amazon Music) are already available on the $600 Numark Mixstream Pro and that’s barely a year old. Not trying to sound like a hater as I own a Prime system but Denon dropped the ball.
Prime 4 for life ❤
Hi brother. Im an hobbiest dj, only play in summer. In a small club for 500 persons. I can get prime 4 for more 200€ than sc live 4. But in generall do u think im gonna need to waste more 200€? I mean they do all the same. I sold my xdj rx1and im about buying denon because stream services. Hope u can help me..
Is the prime 2 compatible with serato dj pro yet ?
Nope...
One more thing: Denon didn't plan this right. Will they get bedroom DJs to buy these products: I'm sure they would. Will they be happy with their purchase? Time will tell.
i wish i was using standalone, looks like the less wires you have the more fun you have, you know?
So for 1250 euro I can get a reasonably species standalone 4 channel controller running engine OS... seems like a no brainer if these are things you are interested in as the Prime 4+ is 1300 euro more.
How's the pitch fader increments?
Is this real
1) Beware of those bots, do not interact with them, scammers
2) Pitch increments are 0.01% at 4% range (there are also other ranges ofc)
price of the SC Live 4 dropped to 50% of the Prime4. But the Prime4 is nowadays obviously way overpriced but i expect DJ Gear in general to go down in price within next 12-18 month.
Hi would you recommend the live 4 or xdj rr
Live 4 is much better than the RR. The RR is a toy. If you really want Pioneer, get a RX2 from ebay at least.
@@BlueHawk80 what about the rx3 would that be better than the sc live 4
@@Lizzybirds40 yes and no. Both are different. Overall the Denon has far more power and features while costing less. Some people prefer the RX3 because of that "club standard" thing. But I doubt most ever play in a club at all, so it's rather nonsense for me. What I like about the RX3 is the big screen and mixer layout/effects. But that's mostly it.
@@BlueHawk80 in what aspect do you mean more power? Yes I also like the look of the rx3 big screen layout and some of its features like the mic talk over and the 8 pads and the special affects.
Thanks for the review Mojaxx. I really don't know what Denon was thinking when they released these 2 toys. I said that because they are far from pro DJ gear. In addition, they discontinued the Prime 2. Why? When Pioneer discontinued the RX2 and kept the RR, I was floored. No one is buying the XDJ RR!! Nobody!!! I know they are trying to add a new market but not this way. If I was looking for Denon gear, I would have thought of the Prime 2, Prime GO or the Numark Mixstream Pro. I was looking for a standalone but now, I will just wait, save and get the DDJ 1000. I have the DDJ 800 and it run circles around both SC Live 2 and 4.
XDJ RR is the best seller gear in China in the past six months 😂
The prices are £949 for the live 2 and £1129 for the 4, so are they a home run now Moe???
Much more like it, yes. $1299 for the SC LIVE 4 is a far more reasonable price for what you’re getting.
Appreciate the fast response, thanks 🙏
It's $1299 in the US
That's basically what he wrote in the pinned comment.
Hmmm
If it was priced at £1000 & had a Numark badge on, maybe it would make more sense.
The build quality isn't good enough. Those pads will be punched off their flimsy plastic mounts within 6 months.
I agree this product is so awkward it's aimed at beginners at a premium price. Pros won't buy it and beginners won't either for $300 more i would purchase a new prime 4
and why the prime 2 has been discontinued ?
way more connectivity options than this SC serie and also more than the prime go.
i think that the prime 2 would have been the first choice for many DJs ... it had its price tag well positioned and it was way better than other brand's products !
"Way more connectivity" sorry what?
Please compare the Prime 2 and SC Live 4 again! Similar size, similar price, similar connectivity. You lose the HDD bay and hardware Mic EQ, otherwise the Live 4 has more features.
Actually i was comparing sc live 2 vs prime 2 (and ther's no match at all). But if you compare it with the live 4 you loose 1 mic in (and mic eEQs), cue on aux in, 1 usb port, 1 ethernet port. Just with a quick view.
That said i am a novice, i come from a sc-s4dj Stanton and i'm thinking of an upgrade to my dj geear (actually i am a pro guitarist).
I was wondering what to choose between prime go and prime 2 and ... i just choose the the prime 2 ... and it's discontinued. Do you think it would be, because of that, a bad choice? Or could work fine? Could upgrade with next engine firmware still?
I also own a Akai force and tought to link the two for more dj options ... but without ethernet it would be maybe less stable as connection (in a closed environement full of cell phones i'm scared that wifi connection could fall as it happens with my behringer xr18 mixer .. :-/
Only reason I didn't get prime 2 was no Serato...now I'm probably going to get a prime go just to play around with...which means I now have to get virtual dj ugh
Get the SC4 for 1300 bucks, same size as the Prime2, but 4 channels, SweepFX, speakers AND Serato. Boom.
@@BlueHawk80 actually the sc live 2 seems the same as the numark mixtream ... but with more and better fx (and louder speakers). All the rest is the same.
I don't care about serato ... i am buying an all-in-one ;-)
This piece of gear will pull Denon back and that is a shame
Luckily your nonsense comment is entirely irrelevant for the other users and Denon.
Denon is starting to look like Numark with the only difference that Denon gets Serato pro instead of Serato lite…
2000€ in germany. Ufff
If they have not put speakers they could have put better touch pads.
That makes zero sense.
Oh wait! It could be a cash grab from a sponsored product from Amazon. Underperforming to say "welp" but adding to the budget for RnD and not having to be saddled with Amazon forever.
I spent just 750€ on 2 super OEM SYNQ Turntables, 70€ (reloop ortofon cartridges and pair of serato timecode vinyls) and 50€ on a 5yr dvs app licence for Dj Player pro....(i already had a pioneer mixer and headphones)....controllers nowadays are the worst investment...too expensive...too few features...
cool, bro.
Let’s be honest…this is competing against the Pioneer xdj RX3. And this SCL4 completely wins over any pioneer user.
A side note though, I don’t think the Prime series would stick around much longer.
All they had to do is put speakers on the Prime 2, and Prime 4. 🤣🤣🤣
That is so expensive for a amateur piece of kit. Denon going the wrong way here
Is expensive 1300$?
@@garnet6665the day it came out i was $1699 after the bad reception they dropped the price to $1300 i made this comment the day it came out. With that being said and after testing one i still think that for that $1300 is still too expensive for such a bad piece of kit. Its made of plastic pads click, buttons move around, jog wheels feel terrible. Id say if you're looking for a Denon player , get your self a used/new prime 4 or prime go for the price you get so much more quality.
Denon dropped the ball on these new controllers and will suffer as a result. They went cheap on the parts. Maybe because of parts availability but if that were the case, don't release something new until it's good and you can build it.
*yawns*, sure buddy.
I'll stick to pioneer
There is a video surfing the web, that I shouldn’t trust these reviews. Just sayin’ lol
I’ll get him one day 😂
Sorry but built-in speakers
😆 🤣 😂
This seems like a shit box tbh, pads that don't respond,no easy way to replace the crossfader- literally hardware lumped together from all the cheap controllers at inmusic....
Own sc5000m's- and love them- but this seems like a bit of a reach.
DDJ1000 still is the king
DDJ1000 can't even do standalone, Pioneer sheep. Baaah, baaah.
In the words of Sir Alan Lord Sugar…what a load of tut. 😢
Why are they charging so much for this, only two buttons no display on the jogs, the mixer looks minimal nothing special, no standalone mixer. Come on Denon DJ, be better than composition
wtf are you talking about? 1300 is a steal, there are more than "only two buttons", the mixer is much cleaner now, there is an Aux in which is perfectly fine for the intended target group. Just get a P4 and stfu.
Putting built in speakers on dj controller looks so amateur. Such a turn off
what a piece of junk.......Thanks you for saving my life..."DJ saved My Life"