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- High Drama. High Action. All that and more as we break down the Toronto Maple Leafs vs the New York Islanders game which saw John Tavares score his 1000th point. All that and more on today's NHL hockey video!
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Of course, it is impressive to get 1000 points. But I was more than impressed by John's dad reaction. That was really a piece. Wish him to see anpther mile point in son's career.
lol wont be a cup
@@cindybates68 leaf haters are the funniest people in the world. Imagine focusing that much on a team you don't like hahaha
As an isles fan seeing his dad’s reaction was nice to see cause it’s not every day you see your son collect his 1000th point but the isles won in ot!!
@@keithm3241 i live in ontario , i know who the worst fan base is in the nhl.....yep u guessed it leaf fans
@@cindybates68 just because it's the largest and therefore has the largest obnoxious minority doesn't make it the worst.
Even though they lost in OT, JT getting his 1000th point against the isles made the night kinda fun
+1
The JT way is completing a personal goal and then watching your team lose
That 1,000th point belongs in an Islander building. Its only fitting that he got it there. Couldnt have ended better, 1000th point in Islander building, Islander wins. Im a happy Isles fan🎉
@@joeysmiff1746 see your an isles fan i can respect even though i wished the leafs had won
is it? fking loser of a team. WHO CARES
As an Islanders fan, I totally understood him going to the Maple Leafs when given the chance. If I was given a chance to play for the Islanders, I’d have left any other team I was playing for!
He could have agreed to be traded to the Leafs. The thinking is that he didn't want his precious Leafs to give up assets and so stayed and shoved it up the Isles organization and fanbase's ass.
Some Islander fan you are
Yep, I was out of the loop…. Probably because I was busy serving America in the US Army, with more important things on my mind than following hockey.
@@anticensorshipsociety1063 the thing is no NHL team is gonna give up alot to get a player on a 1yr deal..
bro he was offered to be traded to them and he said he didn’t want to be traded because he was gonna resign with the Isles and then he didn’t resign and instead took less money from the Leafs
Tavares is likely the most borderline HoF player in the league. As he stands now, it’s close. If he captains the Leafs to the cup, he goes from borderline to first ballot.
Tavares in Giroux territory. Great players wasted on bad teams. If they'd been on a half decent team for half their careers, they'd be locks. Giroux stayed even longer, though his first few years were on a decent squad. Post-Pronger injuries are when G's years dumped.
Tavares has 100 more goals in less games played than Giroux. That's a wide margin.@@girhen
@@craigharrison5406 Theres a reason you pick goals rather than points for your clearly biased take lol, G still on top
No that's Pavelski
100%
And the islanders went on playoff runs after he left.
Tavares would be more of a HOF lock if Jamie Benn hadn’t randomly scored 4 points in the very last game of the 2014-15 season to just barely snag the Art Ross from him that year. It’s crazy to think how a good game by Benn indirectly has such a massive impact on the way JT is perceived.
1000 points without a 90+ point season is crazy
more consistent than crazy but yeah
Joe Pavelski also has more than 1000 points and his best season was 81 points.
@@alexwinter3272I’ll take Pavelski.
I honestly expected a loss in that game for the Leafs. All I really cared about was Johnny getting his 1000th on the island. And he did. What a night for him!
I think John Tavares is a borderline case for the Hall of Fame. There were 19 forwards inducted in the last 10 years, which likely means you have to argue Tavares is one of the 20 best forwards of his generation for him to get in (his generation being about 2004 to 2014 draft classes).
I can think of nine forwards immediately who almost certainly get in before him: Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Toews, Kane, Stamkos, Kucherov, Draisaitl, and MacKinnon. I think most people would say that Kopitar and Backstrom go in before Tavares. There's 11. I think it's an interesting conversation between Tavares and Landeskog, Hall, Giroux, Kessel, Benn, Marchand, Ryan O'Reilly, and Tarasenko. There's 19. I might be forgetting a few names.
Just outside the 2004 line is also Getzlaf, Perry, and Bergeron, all of whom get in before him I think. Pavelski is interesting in that group too, though I think most people pick Tavares. There's 23.
I think there's definitely a chance he gets in, but it's not a slam dunk.
Most of the players you listed, should not be in the hall of fame...
@heisenberg999 that's kinda his point...
well said wow
and good point too
"I can think of nine forwards immediately who almost certainly get in before him: Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Toews, Kane, Stamkos, Kucherov, Draisaitl, and MacKinnon."
Connor McDavid doesn't get in... why?
@@aralornwolf3140 "(his generation being about 2004 to 2014 draft classes)." McDavid was not within the scope of his generational discussion bud.
He is for exactly that term, that quality every coach is looking for in their players and their team and that is to be rewarded and revered, a quality i don't see that many players past and present that embody it as well as he does : Consistency !
I don’t think he’s a lock for the hall of fame, definetly needs to win more at the NHL level, but something in his future could better his chances
I think even if he doesn't win he'll retire with probably at least 1,200 points? Maybe more? And he scored a bunch of those in an era with low scoring or as a 2nd liner on the Leafs? Going to he hard to argue to keep him out
He'll prolly get in, but it'll take awhile if he doesn't win a Cup at least once.
He's only 33 and still averaging a point per game every year consistently. He will probably get 1300+ points by the time he rretires.@@Spilia4
Yeah, if brings Toronto a cup,
Is there anyone with 1,000pts that's not in the Hall of Fame? I don't know for sure, but I'm saying no!
I hate watching my team lose, period. But watching Tavares achieve this career milestone against his old team in their own barn, with their fans booing his every stride on the ice and his father watching from the fathers’ suite was so poetic and beautiful. Proud of my captain, and that moment really does make for good consolation in another brutal loss for my Maple Leafs. *CONGRATS JOHNNY, MY CAPTAIN!!!*
Yup pretty much sums up his career of only focusing on personal gain and glory and never being able to lead a team properly.
@@mcdonaldsbro__2 what "team" did the isles give him?
@@cludecat7072 a pretty shitty one and Toronto isn’t doing much better lmao
@@mcdonaldsbro__2Bad take, Trash fanbase, Cry more, Enjoy watching that one back for the rest of time. I know i will 🙌
Bro, as a Sens fan, I been dying for my team to play well for the last 7 years
As soon as Alfredsson got inducted into the Hall of Fame it opened the door for a bunch of very good players to be inducted.
the whole "booing whenever he touched the puck" is something similar to what I saw a couple weeks ago. I was at an Abbotsford Canucks game, and they were playing the Laval Rocket. There was a defenseman on their team with the last name "Trudeau". Whenever he touched the puck, pretty much the whole crown booed.
that was hilarious, poor guy but it was good fun for fellow Canadians
Justin Trudeau ruined his own last name for every Trudeau out there.
I'd hope he saw the humor in it once it clicked, but that's a pretty tough name atm.
Good one
He's in the Hall of Very Good
It's Hockey, that means the Hall of fame. Good player that most guys like gets in. Above average player on great team gets in, Great player with a short career gets in. Great player that guys don't like? Nope.
tavares gets his 1000th point in the middle of a loss. Story of his career.
It's not that Tavares signed with Toronto as a UFA, it's that he specifically asked NOT to be traded and repeatedly said he didn't want to be traded. The guy knew he was gonna sign with the Leafs.
I've always wondered about that logic. If I'm going to a new team and intend to spend a long time there, I'd want that team to be as good as they can be. Giving up significant assets to get me there likely hurts the future strength of the team. The fans of the old team have every right to be pissed but if you look at it as a business rather than a personal one his method makes a lot of sense. Of course it hasn't worked out for him, and a part of his decision included that $11M contract which hurt the business, but he was likely going to ask for a similar deal whether he was traded or went there as a UFA.
@@jonmendelson1104 also there was lou being signed a month before free agency. that alone could have made him want to run.
@@jonmendelson1104No one said it didn’t make sense.😂 He is a dirty lying snake of a human being. Scumbags do scummy things because it’s effective. 😂
Amazing deduction their Einstein.
@@jonmendelson1104that’s fair, I wouldn’t want my new team to have to sell the farm for me either, but to not expect to get booed and complain about it is wild lmao
that really doen't make sense. Didn't the Isles offer him the same (Or better?) money?@@cludecat7072
Wonder if pajama boy enjoyed the saucer pass from the "kid who won the calder" to Horvat for the game winner. PJ Boy would have had a cup by now if he stayed considering they went to game 7 of the conference finals without him.
Now say it without crying
You must save so much money never having to buy salt. Ever.
Keep booing him cuz it's working...
Even as an Islanders fan I think that's a lot XD
Love to hear it f*ck JT
“Steady Tavares” - point a game player his entire career. -with no sign of production slowdown yet.
He may just have enough gas to hit the 1250-1300 point mark for his career.
That would put him in the Hall of Fame without question.
Tavares father celebration... That's what it's all about.
I was at the game I was gonna cry after they gave up tying goal but we clutched in ot
did you cry every time he touched the puck like the other islander scum bag fans?
Tavares should be in the hall of fame imo. He has a strong argument when comparing to the Sedins who just recently were inducted.
John Tavares (1000 pts in 1054 gp)
Henrick Sedin (1070 pts in 1330 gp)
Daniel Sedin (1041 pts in 1306 gp)
However the ballots are going to get crowded in the coming years and might make his entry more difficult than expected.
He hasn't made it past the second round in his entire career lol...
He should be in the hall of infamy
@@phlexcrew What does playoff success has to do with the HoF?
This is like Shaq screaming about rings
I almost went to that game last night… kicking myself I didn’t. I’m not even an isles fan but who doesn’t love drama.
JT is a 100% lock on HOF. He's already the 98th highest point scoring player in the entire history of the league... and (barring serious injury) by the time he retires will likely have around 1200 points which would put him right around the top 50 all time career point totals. How can anyone even question the fact that he's one of the most consistent players in the history of the league... his stats prove it.
Mans hasn't won Jack shit tho. It's the hall of fame not the hall of very good.
I think he will be seen as an all time great in consistency. You know what you'll get from him every year. I dont however think hes close to the HOF. He needs a major individual award and a cup at this point
I’m an Isles fan and I thinks he’s a potential Hall of famer. Guy lit it up here and doing very well in Toronto. He needs a cup to get in. My opinion
The leafs need a cup in general
consistency is the most underrated quality of any player.
At $11 M, I think he is overrated. You can say he is the captain and all, but what has he led them to?
@@garrytemchuk7408 he is overpaid but thats on the Leafs. Not his fault.
Bertuzzi's nickname should be Buzz. He looks like a bee out there flyin around and not f*ckin off
He is so incredibly consistent. He manages the puck so well on his shifts good things end up happening.
And yet, the Leafs still can't buy a playoff series win for love or money. And when they did last year, they immediately crashed and burned in the 2nd round.
@@dawntraveler42 remember that boston was also beaten by that team as was carolina.
@@dawntraveler42 if you’re blaming JT for the Leafs playoff failures then you don’t know much about hockey. Or you’re just another islander fan still crying your eyes out over JT. Leafs’ playoff failures are due mostly to Kyle Dubas’s (good riddance) inability to build a good D, get some grit, and acquire a “money”goaltender. JT did his part in the playoffs - his stats bear that out. On the other hand, three seasons ago you Islanders would’ve won the cup if you still had Johnny Toronto.
Imagine if Tavares stayed with the islanders and beat Tampa back to back in the conference finals ….
Still would have had to beat Montreal,who had just pulled off UPSETS- plural- against first Toronto,then Vegas. Just because Tampa won in 5 doesn't mean the Islanders get the Cup just for beating Tampa
Pretty sure they beat that Habs team.... Sorry man...@@henrymanzano2201
Hof for that many points
Want to see this matchup in the playoffs
Tavares should have about 1200 points by the end of his career and, yeah, that definitely should get a guy in.
Yes, hall of fame for sure
Tavares is a slam dunk member of the Hall of Very Good, tho a Cup would probably make him an HoF
I always forget hockey starts up…until some random video is oddly recommended…😂
By NHL Standards he is a HOF player. If I could start the Hall over again I'd have much higher standards. Consistency and points are obviously important but so is winning or exceling far beyond your peers. A Couple of MVPs or a Stanley cup . Hopefully the Leafs can get him that cup.....??
if he wins cup he hof but if don’t happen he ain’t in there
Hockey is a team game and a player has very limited control over the roster around him. Why is team success such a big selling point of the hall of fame? If Jumbo Joe had won the cup with Florida in 2022 where he played 1 game in the playoff run would that make him a better case for the HHoF? (Weird example because I'm pretty sure he's a lock for first ballot without it).
How about a guy like Steve Brulé. He has his name on the cup despite the fact that played 13 minutes in a 4-2 loss during game 3 of the Eastern Conference Final in 2000 where he put up 1 hit, 0 shots, and a 28.6% faceoff percentage (14 faceoffs taken) for New Jersey. Aside from that he played 2 games in the 02-03 season with the Avs where he had a combined total of 18:13 of ice time and put up 0 points and 2 shots on goal (one of those games was a loss, the other a tie). How much did he contribute to their cup run considering they lost his only game that year.
The guy is an elite player, playing a role for the team. Love it or hate it, he’s loyal to Toronto. Imagine every Canadian player doing the same? God bless the greenback.
He was signed to win a cup, not one playoff round.
Totally agree he failed at what he was brought in to do. Islanders had more playoff success than Toronto had after JT left. Is he a great player absolutely. It could go either way but he's always been an entertaining player to watch and for that I'll say give him the HOF@@archstanton2719
I'd be loyal to whoever is paying me $11M a year as well, he's a great player but that contract hurts us.
@@archstanton2719 he was signed to be Mr. Consistent which he's been since we've signed him. Played less minutes but produced the exact same numbers as an Islander.
Leafs losing wasn't due to Tavares quit being delusional.
i can't fault the guy. The Isles never assembled a solid team around him and he endured a largely miserable time with little to show for it. He gets a shot to play for his childhood team? I can't faulta guy for doing that. AS for HOF? He's a compiler and that is valid so for me he's 50/50, if he goes on to win a Cup then that would put him voer the edge for me.
Pretty sure it’s more how he left than the fact that he left. If I remember correctly, he asked them not to trade him at the deadline because he intended to re-sign, only to go elsewhere for free
Buddy had Kyle Okposo on his top line for over a decade, can you blame him?
@@logand3957 and do you think that management had nothing to do with it?
@@cludecat7072dude he asked them not to trade him and asked not to discuss an extension during the season lol. What was management supposed to do? Also didn’t the isles have some rly good runs after he left? Like had those runs as the leafs choked yearly? If he had stayed they probably would’ve won a cup. Back to back years going to game seven in the ecf. But sure, ur right.
A cup, with the leafs hahaha. Yeah, they def won’t choke again.
John Tavares - Hall of Very Good
"I can't win here, I'll go to a team where others can win for me". Well surprise, surprise.
Good question. I say no now, but he is so borderline, and he still plays at a high level, with no sign of a slowdown, that I think he will probably get in eventually, as long as his health permits it.
Kinda fair for the islanders fans to constantly boo him. He left the club when he was Captain…ah well. Isles closer to a cup than the Leafs anyway 😊
HoF entry for sure using my own algorithm.
I sure hope you are going over the sharks recent resurrection
As a leaf fan gotta say hall of famer for sure
Of course you would.....😁
Oh the irony of him getting his 1000th point in Long Island while getting relentlessly booed. Priceless.
Bertuzzi and domi 🤙🏼 that’s my maple leafs future team
The Leafs need to hurry up and get a defenceman. Every goal against, they have 3 forwards scrambled in front of the net where the defenceman should be. Putting Klingberg on LTIR has certainly helped but it's not enough. Thank goodness their elite offence is outscoring their problems and they're picking up points.
They got rid of Justin Holl, he was at fault for everything. They are fine now remember? [sarcasm]
Tbh it was a lot more entertaining game than I thought it would be
I was watching the game on the Islanders feed. The one guy was a real homer and got pretty butt-hurt when they celebrated the 1,000th point. The other guy was classy and told him they had permission and to stop calling for a penalty.
It was a classless move by Toronto. Take your bench-clearing celebration to your own house. There is no reason that Toronto should have gotten away with that. And no reason for fans to celebrate Tavares' milestone, especially when it tied the game with 6 seconds left.
@@dawntraveler42 There were lots of Islanders fans cheering for him and their players were giving stick taps. It was not classless. You sound like a whiner.
@@dawntraveler42 sounds like more than one guy was butt-hurt!
Of course he should be in the Hall of Fame. How many other NHL’ers have had his level of consistency and have over 1,000 points. That’s something to be recognized for. You shouldn’t have to win the cup to be in the Hall.
Hes the 98th player with 1k points. That's it. For a first overall in 2009 to go 15 years almost with not a single NHL trophy AND no cup? He won't make it into the HOF. What's he famous for? Nothing. He's a great guy and a solid player but that's not HOF material
I mean he has one of the highest clutch point tallies amongst active players (tying and winning points in last dying minute of the the game) but I don’t know if the hall looks at that stuff
Games played. Apparently all x players and hall really care about. How many games did he play ? But points are important
would he wear his maple leaf pajamas to the hall of fame induction?
tavares needs a cup to make the hall of fame
I've never understood the level of hatred the isles fanbase shows to him. He's far from the first person to leave the team that drafted him, or the last. Hell, the very next year Joe Pavelski left the Sharks to sign with Dallas, and received a long standing ovation his first game back in San Jose. The situations aren't identical, but they aren't that different either; yet the reactions of the two fanbases are polar opposites.
he def is buddy stop trying to make it any other way consistency means a lot in these days and age and he has been one of the best players.
i think hes a hall of famer, but he's also not an all timer. Hes gotta do more, and his career has to last a bit longer to be for sure, but I think he makes the cut
Tavares is probably a hall of famer, but it probably wont be until well after he's retired
theres still time for him to win a cup, i think thats the major thing holding him out
that or an art ross, selke, or rocket richard
we'll just have to see
I think he needs more playoff results. Remember how hard it was for Alfredsson to get in with a Cup Finals appearance and an Olympic Gold? Yeah JT needs to at least make conference Finals to make it in within 10 years of his retirement... Granted he's a Leaf so... First ballot wooohoooo
I think JT has to be in the hall of fame
In the Hall of “Very Good” for sure. But not the the hall of fame
Imagine going on a date with an Isles fan and never calling them back...
If all it took was points to get you in the HHOF then maybe he would get in. Maybe. But he has won nothing and has never elevated either of his teams to anything more than mediocracy. The fact that he scored his 1000th point and then minutes later skated off with the rest of his team as a loser, sums up Taveras perfectly.
Perfectly said.....
mike gartner comes to mind when i look at tavares numbers and gartner is in the hall, so maybe theres room for tavares
I think he's a hall of fame player. If he want s a Stanley cup, he has to be on a different team though. Because Leafs are not winning a cup with their core.
I'm not bragging but I absolutely called it.
Until Jeremy Roenick is a HOFr, nobody else should be.
It was so fucking sick watch the leafs lose that game. Good riddance to a team that cleared the bench for a common milestone
Hall of good.
Can you please talk about calgarys massive flop against the Avalanche tonight, maybe the tanev hit as well?
Hasn’t donee anything to warrant HOF consideration. Toronto flames out every postseason.😊
They flame out but it's not just him..... I mean, Phil Kessel says it all....Oh, he will never win was what I think I heard from the Toronto Faithful......3 cups later......
Eck my thoughts are if Travers can win a cup with the Leafs he will be in the H.H.O.F. Put that on your calendar.
I'm not gonna say he's a no brainer for the Hall of Fame but I would say that if Patrick Marleau gets in, I don't see why Tavares shouldn't (considering he keeps this pace until he retires). 1000 points is pretty great and of course he didn't win a whole lot or anything but I think consistency should still be a factor if you manage to keep it for a decade and a half.
No fricking way is he a HOFer 😂😂😂😂😂
@@WorldisNutsThat's a solid point. He's well on track for another point per game season, which will put him at about 1050. Which is also remarkable for his age. On your assumption that he regresses to an average of 50 pts per season for 4 more seasons, that's 1250 pts which just squeaks him into the top 50.
He's got more points than hall of famers in less games who also haven't won a cup, how is he not?
The next 5 years will define tohn tavares. He is on thw cusp of HOF status. Hasnt earned it yet in my eyes.
not a word about the oilers 7 game winning streak since you posted "its so over"......... why not?
Whether he's a hall of famer or not is still up for debate. If he does shit, he won't be. If he's mid, he likely still won't be, but if the rest of his career is great, I'm sure he'll be in the hall of fame. Winning a cup would certainly help. The picture of him hoisting the cup would be plastered all over Canada for decades. Edit: Centuries.
The first captain of the Maple Leafs to win the cup in the post Original Six era? He'll be in Toronto grade-school hockey books for centuries. 😄
Steve Dangle posted when the leafs were down 3-1 and said it would be really funny if Tavares got his 1000th point to tie the game, and they lost
I called it.
His best comparison are the Sedins probably. But he doesn't have the individual hardware they have, hasn't been part of presidents tropy winning teams, and hasn't even gotten close to the finals. If he wants to make the hall, he's gotta at least get some individual awards.
Getting into HoF without a cup and personal hardware is hard, so no. We'll talk if he manages to captain Leafs to the cup (and maybe end the Canadian cup drought)
Definitely a hall of famer, and it's said he's a blue flamer 😂😂😂❤❤❤
As far as the Hall of Fame goes, I go back-and-forth. Sometimes I think that these guys who are on the bubble should be in the Hall of Fame, but then I also think that letting too many players in downgrades the accomplishment.
You can judge a Hall of Fame by the best player they don't let in. Who's that? Fleury, Roenick? They are both out because the media hates them. Maybe Keith Tchuck? Beyond that, a bunch of journeyman Goalies who couldn't win when it matters. Baseball is really the only worthwhile HOF.
Hi Eck
I think tavares certainly is a strong possibility for the Hall. Idk about first ballot but certainly is a strong candidate for a call like maybe in his second year of eligibility. I mean the guy averages 30 ish goals a year, has been a point per game player almost his entire career, has an olympic gold medal, world cup gold medal, back to back IIHF gold medals and multiple all star games. Ofc he was a finalist for the hart trophy twice both in 2013 and 2015 too and was the runner up for the art ross in 2015 and was top 3 in goals scored twice in 2013 and 2019. Islander fans are one of the worst fan bases out there given how obnoxious and soft they are. Like its been 5 1/2 years and they are STILL booing this guy. It was tough to see JT leave NY for so long yes but at the same time I can understand that the Leafs were the team he rooted for growing up and was trynna chase his real dream and play for his hometown. People need to realize that not everything can stay the same. I mean JT prolly thought he wanted to stay but then at the last minute thought it was time to head home.
I think it'd be hard for him to get into the Hall without at least one Cup. Also, don't understand the hate Tavares gets on the Island. Like, I got it for a while, but at some point people just got to move on.
The NY Ranger fans still do their "Potvin Sucks" chant at games some 30 years after he retired. Tavares is going to get booed every time he touches the puck against the Islanders, and rightfully so.
If Johnathan Towes is a top 100 of all time, but Malkin isn't... No reason for Tavares not to be in the HOF.
If he stayed on Long Island then I say yes guaranteed cause he probably would’ve won something. If he had stayed while the team developed and the Isles went to back to back ECF I think he might’ve been able to push them over the edge to possibly beat Tampa and maybe even win the Cup those years. Now that he’s getting older and the fact Toronto hasn’t done much of anything and the potentially for Matthews to leave it seems that his Cup window might be closing.
It should be noted the isles improved significantly after Tavares left for nothing and his arrival in Toronto had no impact on their place in the standings. He gets his numbers but at this point that’s all that can be said about him
@@carbb5760 I 100% agree that was my exact line of thinking
@@carbb5760 Left for nothing? If he stayed the Isles wouldn't have won anything either. If you had the chance to go to your boyhood team, the place where you grew up tell me you wouldn't go there. You're a liar if you say no. He turned down about 4 million bucks a year to come back home. Dallas had offered him 15mil. So you can stick your comment where the sun doesn't shine. What a prat.
We'll see in 5 years, right now, we have like 30 players who deserves it more than him.
Name them.
Leafs love moral victories 😂
You have no morals....troll man
0:40 What do you mean by that? 🤨
He's a Hall of Famer right now and he's only 32. Only 98 players have ever reached 1000 points. Now consider that he's a work horse, is always working on his game, and is Mr. Consistency, who knows what he brings his total too.
that's because he gets to rest all summer
@@lesliechow6866 that's the point, he never rests.
Isles fan here. I think he's a borderline hall of famer, and I think he should get over the line. I just hope to never see his name in the rafters at UBS.
Let's get out the violins for you.
@@delby66 I think it's a pretty reasonable take.
No danger in that happening,with 91 being retired for Butch Goring. Now, I have to ask,is there a reason why 16 isn't retired for Pat LaFontaine?
He's a hall of famer if he wins a cup with the leafs
Yeah, let's try getting past the 2nd round of the playoffs first which he and the Leafs have never done.
Lol, he'd be eligible for sainthood if that happens
Spezza should go in the Hall before JT
Anyone that says he's not HOF material is either an idiot or a hater. There have been over 7,000 players all time that have played in the NHL, and only 98 have scored 1,000 points. That is a minuscule percentage of players to hit that milestone. Daniel and Henrik Sedin won 0 Cups, and both scored over 1,000 points and are in.....that's the guideline for me.
Not a lock for HoF yet, but close. Win a cup and play well on that run likely he is.
Me: it's the hall of fame, not the hall of very good.
HOF: iiiiiiit's Guy Carbenneau!
Me: The "Hall of Who You Know"?
HOF: *abides, nodding and winking*
5 Stanley cup appearances, 3 wins, 3 selke trophy wins. Not a huge goal scorer, but that was never his role. Ask the guys he had to play against every shift, Gretzky, Lemieux, yzerman, etc etc.
@@pavlovshouse77 Well then make room for Pat Maroon!
@@hydrakiosk oooh
@@pavlovshouse77 in all honesty though, i respect your opinion. To me, Guy was a fortunate player. Like ultimate born under a good sign, windfall profits fortunate. Because every team had a Guy at that time, and they all played against Gretz, Mario, etc.. Guy, bottom line, wasn't an all time great defensive player, like Patrice Bergeron or Bobby Clarke. And they should be the templates for the kind of defensive forwards who belong in the HOF.
@@hydrakiosk think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. You do make valid points, but you lost me a Bobby Clark, but that’s another argument for a different time. After Bob Ganiey defined what it was to be a defensive forward, Guy took the job and made it his own and set the bar for those who came after. Not glamorous or even all that exciting, but essential if you want to win. Bergeron is a perfect example
I think JT has to he in the HoF of traitors
he could be in the hhof I can see it going either way. but a cup would secure it
He's got something mising for HoF. Still got time to get that something. As bad as it may sound, he need to be a dominant leader in his team. Not in the shadow of others.
John Tavares couldn't lead a trip to the f#@king washroom.