@@onelittlewanderer5342 good job , I do same process but manually, just for more performance, please try to fix the brackets & the window's engine under the mean spoiler, maybe better looking..
this is the difference of marketing and playing to youtube's algorithm. Bet his views would explode if he made the thumbnails youtube friendly with crazy facial expressions in the foreground, posted on a peak viewer schedule, etc
looks great however there is a better way of making the DRS mechanism. rather than attaching the motor on the supports and ruining the airflow, you can make each support a two part piece and then having a pulley system inside and a mini latch inside the wing, then a motor attached to the chassis. use a strong string to attach the latch to the motor. I can make a CAD model and send you what i mean if you want
cool stuff. here's an idea for your car with the wing. tie it into sensors on the suspension, and also steering angle, and brake sensors. When you are going straight, reduce the downforce for better top end, then when you enter a corner, or brake hard, the wing generates more down force, or as an air brake. might shave some time off each lap.
This kinda stuff is on the edge of dangerous though, you need to have stable aero before you brake or turn. It would be much safer to have it tied to GPS, so you could have the wing set and stable before you need it. And then you can have GPS set your diff, brake balance, roll bars, and all your maps corner by corner(all the stuff that's illegal in F1).
Killing it you guys. What great content. But I’d have to agree with what another commenter said. Both of you are great but you need to up your safety gear. methyl ethyl ketone peroxide hardener for your fiber glass is no joke. My uncle developed mental issues after being an auto body guy for years. He would get the sensation of falling down and endless hole. Respirators suck but slowly harming yourself sucks worse. He had to retire due to his health problems. The wing looks amazing though.
@One Little Wanderer absolutely! Plus respirators are pretty cheap. 3m make some at a good price point. Those red checks, light headedness and feeling of blah after breathing resin vapors is your body saying wear a mask. For sanding N95 is just fine. Love watching you guys do your thing just can’t be messing around with those chemicals. That chlorinated brake cleaner is pretty nasty stuff to.
Really nice man! Really nice crew! Karen, Seb and Eva! I'd suggest for finish, getting your self a compressor and a spray gun (I recommend Devilbiis). Reason I suggest this, is if you clear coat your carbon parts they'll look really glossy with way, way less work, also clear coating your machined aluminium parts will keep 'em looking really fresh, shiny and be easy to clean - A compressor will also allow to use air shop tools REAL POWER!
Ello, I’m designing my own electric open wheel, single seater and hopefully when I get the money I can actually make it, your videos are so inspiring! Keep it up
I saw your racing video when the hot coolant leak caused the carbon fiber epoxy to soften. There are room temperature laminating epoxies with higher Tg's available. I used West Systems 105 when I first started working with composites, but with a Tg of just 116 F (it's for boats), I moved to Adtech 820, which goes up to 180 F. However, you'll need to cure above 85 F to use the higher Tg resin. Anyway, excellent work!
Looking good! That's a sweet design. The talent and experience is really coming along. There is a relatively new process that will solve the issues that come up with the AMG 6.2-6.3 buckets, cams, and phaser lock pins. It's called WPC treatment. It's essentially shot peening with ultra hard ceramic micro beads. Increases durability a minimum of 3x with a hardened compact grain structure on the surface of your parts. Mike at IQ Motorsports has a couple videos on it. They use it for all their builds, even the cylinders. The bonus is that it cuts friction by 80-90%. That's 40hp on a C63 with no additional changes.
you guys need to start wearing some real safety gear. safety glasses, actual respirators when sanding, long sleeve shirts when welding! jesus the quality of the work you guys are doing is amazing but you are filming yourself, be a good example
Not gunna lie... Would love to see that DRS attached to the wheel speed sensor and adjusts based on the speed. Plus add in a brake toggle to close it after x amount of brake pressure or something. That would just be dope and I'd ask the price of one!
Nice wing! What should be an optimal strategy for the DRS? Maybe a position control, based on speed, brake, steering and accels? That would be a fun algorithm to program!
That’s what I was going to say to U2 are a great couple very positive always smiling giving a lot of information thanks so so much for positivity and your video
Great work you guys. Solid ideas Karen. You are a good team player. I like the wing design. I am curious about the vacuum bag you were using. Can you share more?
@@johndeerman2105 I'm not sure what brand or type of vacuum bagging material it is, but we had to make the closed portion ourselves. We just used a large folded sheet, placed double sided tape around the edges, laid on the white fabric, closed it up, and turned on the vacuum to suck out the air! It's a good technique but the downside is you have to leave the vacuum on for a long time. We haven't figured out out to seal it shut without letting air out yet.
I have an idea on how to make supports lighter without disturbing airflow. Just mill out a pocket with a lip and possibly some webbing left, then glue in a piece of plastic (or other material) cut to size. Optionally sandwitch or wrap the whole part. Also You should try flow and morph toolpaths out, escpecially on parts with smooth, curved profile.
Nice detailed Video, though quite complicated with the mould, Have a look at ECO-LAP 's video, just gives a different process with the same basic structure
Preheat those aluminum brackets to around 170 f before welding and it will go a lot better, also don't weld with a dirty tungsten, make sure you have a nice clean balled tungsten.
Just out of curiosity: for future versions, would it be possible to remote-mount the motor so it doesn't get in the way of the airflow? I imagine just that one obstruction alone makes a significant difference in the drag created by the wing.
WTF? Dude! I used to follow your build of that Mercedes powertrain-based car you engineered years ago- I even bought a T-shirt from you. I kinda lost track of you, then I see this video in my feed- it looked interesting. I begin watching, hear & recognize your voice! Wow! You must've changed channels or name? Is this lady your Partner on the channel? GF? Wife? You got a minivan now?
dude started a company called xf motorsports about a year ago, hence the change to the channel name. the girl is karen, she was his first employee, and she does the day-to-day cnc and carbon fiber fabrication to support their sales of various parts for high-performance/racing cars (e.g., the wing here, oil pump gears, transmission adapters, etc.). another dude shown briefly in the video is named sebastian (he was the one doing the aluminum welding), and he's the second employee, and he's a very good welder, and metal fabricator, and a good general mechanic (no where near sridar's (i think that's his name...) level, lol but who tf is???).
Nice wing project. Consider rounding over every visible piece. If you look at a F1 car, you'll never or hardly ever see a hard edge or 90 degree edge. Every corner is nicely rounded over which help slightly with drag, aesthetics and handling.
I cant believe how skilled both of you are. Incredible engineering, and really cool you have a Karen to contribute more than just handing you tools haha
i am guessing karen's a recent engineering grad...she appears to already have known the basics of cnc manufacturing, but the carbon fiber work, mold-making, etc. it appears she learned at xf motorsports, and shridar (i think that's his name?) taught himself...EVERYTHING, i think. karen's obviously smart, and careful, and nimble, so she's gonna be good at _anything._ that was indeed a dope editing touch with the music, good call. i never even noticed, but i can tell dude's filming and editing skills are getting almost as good as his automative engineering skills, and that's saying something. lol, your name is so refreshingly honest! xD
Do you use prepreg carbon or are you using vacuum infusion? Also, i only know it only from our car which not made for high speed, cant you just use carbon ribbons as core material for the wing? Or wouldnt it hold up on these high downforces? Nice work the wing looks really good.
Did you consider making the top wing adjustment using rods and a cantilever (like in the ASL suspension) and putting the motor to the base of the wing support? Would it improve the aerodynamics?
only question i have is that isnt the weight distribution a bit challenging bcuz of the motor? i mean shouldnt we add a weight to the left of the spoiler so the weight on both sides get the same?
Wow amazing work! How does the DRS motor work when there's 100s of kgs of downforce going on? You must have designed the path everything moves along very carefully.
@@onelittlewanderer5342 lol, "hot" means "extremely attractive!" ;) I just meant you are a beautiful girl, but when you are fabricating parts you are even *more* beautiful. =)
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really cool to see Karen taking part in many processes
Thankyou for all the love!!!
Yes. Shes a cutiepie, smart and not afraid to stand on a carbon fiber wing! Good job 🙂👍
@@onelittlewanderer5342 good job , I do same process but manually, just for more performance, please try to fix the brackets & the window's engine under the mean spoiler, maybe better looking..
This channel is so underrated. You deserve a million subs.
I know right? The difficulty level of all the projects is HUGE but the team just get on with it! Love this channel
this is the difference of marketing and playing to youtube's algorithm. Bet his views would explode if he made the thumbnails youtube friendly with crazy facial expressions in the foreground, posted on a peak viewer schedule, etc
looks great however there is a better way of making the DRS mechanism. rather than attaching the motor on the supports and ruining the airflow, you can make each support a two part piece and then having a pulley system inside and a mini latch inside the wing, then a motor attached to the chassis. use a strong string to attach the latch to the motor. I can make a CAD model and send you what i mean if you want
Very cool....care to share what motors you’re using for the DRS function?
nice to see ur no longer a one man show haha
cool stuff. here's an idea for your car with the wing. tie it into sensors on the suspension, and also steering angle, and brake sensors. When you are going straight, reduce the downforce for better top end, then when you enter a corner, or brake hard, the wing generates more down force, or as an air brake. might shave some time off each lap.
This kinda stuff is on the edge of dangerous though, you need to have stable aero before you brake or turn.
It would be much safer to have it tied to GPS, so you could have the wing set and stable before you need it.
And then you can have GPS set your diff, brake balance, roll bars, and all your maps corner by corner(all the stuff that's illegal in F1).
Every thing about this channel is crazy
Great work, looks amazing, especially the end plates
Man what a team. XF Motorsports is goign places. Looking forward to the next video.
Killing it you guys. What great content. But I’d have to agree with what another commenter said. Both of you are great but you need to up your safety gear. methyl ethyl ketone peroxide hardener for your fiber glass is no joke. My uncle developed mental issues after being an auto body guy for years. He would get the sensation of falling down and endless hole. Respirators suck but slowly harming yourself sucks worse. He had to retire due to his health problems. The wing looks amazing though.
Thankyou for the advice.
@One Little Wanderer absolutely! Plus respirators are pretty cheap. 3m make some at a good price point. Those red checks, light headedness and feeling of blah after breathing resin vapors is your body saying wear a mask. For sanding N95 is just fine. Love watching you guys do your thing just can’t be messing around with those chemicals. That chlorinated brake cleaner is pretty nasty stuff to.
i always dreamed about having active aero. my old 3000gt vr4 had that and some other stuff.
You guys are killing it! Awesome and brilliant stuff!
The amount of different stuff, you are doing is just amazing! Such a wide range of knowledge!
They' re sooo cute together😍😍😍
😐
Pathetic 😂
Haha we're not, but we shall take it as a compliment that everyone thinks so!!!
That’s amazing! I’m surprised there aren’t more drs style wings in the market. I would love to put one on a 718
Damn those endplates turned out AMAZING
This channel and this company are gunna go big places.
Really nice man! Really nice crew! Karen, Seb and Eva! I'd suggest for finish, getting your self a compressor and a spray gun (I recommend Devilbiis). Reason I suggest this, is if you clear coat your carbon parts they'll look really glossy with way, way less work, also clear coating your machined aluminium parts will keep 'em looking really fresh, shiny and be easy to clean - A compressor will also allow to use air shop tools REAL POWER!
Thanks!
Your team is amazing! And the wing too!
Beautiful work!!
Worth every penny!!
Keep the videos coming, enjoying every single one!
Ello, I’m designing my own electric open wheel, single seater and hopefully when I get the money I can actually make it, your videos are so inspiring! Keep it up
Just keeps getting better!
Well done! Team work makes dream work!
I saw your racing video when the hot coolant leak caused the carbon fiber epoxy to soften. There are room temperature laminating epoxies with higher Tg's available. I used West Systems 105 when I first started working with composites, but with a Tg of just 116 F (it's for boats), I moved to Adtech 820, which goes up to 180 F. However, you'll need to cure above 85 F to use the higher Tg resin.
Anyway, excellent work!
What a perfect crew 😤
Looking good! That's a sweet design. The talent and experience is really coming along. There is a relatively new process that will solve the issues that come up with the AMG 6.2-6.3 buckets, cams, and phaser lock pins.
It's called WPC treatment. It's essentially shot peening with ultra hard ceramic micro beads. Increases durability a minimum of 3x with a hardened compact grain structure on the surface of your parts. Mike at IQ Motorsports has a couple videos on it. They use it for all their builds, even the cylinders. The bonus is that it cuts friction by 80-90%. That's 40hp on a C63 with no additional changes.
wow! this is tuning on a whole other level!
First, and I want to stress this, I am blown away by your work. I’ve gotten so many great ideas from you. Second, does Karen have a sister?
You are blind pall
Sorry, she's taken!
@@onelittlewanderer5342 Story of my life.
Hahah its actually her sister
@@onelittlewanderer5342 Story of my life, kid.
thanks for sharing the process, very cool to see from start to finish, even any issues you faced.
13:05-13:15 haha love it😎👍🏼
thank you for this awesome project
you guys need to start wearing some real safety gear.
safety glasses, actual respirators when sanding, long sleeve shirts when welding! jesus
the quality of the work you guys are doing is amazing but you are filming yourself, be a good example
I second this!
Especially they are not doing this just once so "it's ok". They are doing this quite some time and will be many more.
Thanks for caring everyone! We will definitely do better!
New subscriber earned! Looking forward to your product line up growing.
Man your channel is so underrated. You really got great content. Keep them comming
More F1 replica content! 😁
ASAP.
Great video 👍 Having a rough finish on the lower panel may be a good thing breakaway of air, similar to shark skin!
Great video as usual. Karen is awesome. Great team
:)
Not gunna lie... Would love to see that DRS attached to the wheel speed sensor and adjusts based on the speed. Plus add in a brake toggle to close it after x amount of brake pressure or something. That would just be dope and I'd ask the price of one!
Nice wing! What should be an optimal strategy for the DRS? Maybe a position control, based on speed, brake, steering and accels? That would be a fun algorithm to program!
That’s what I was going to say to U2 are a great couple very positive always smiling giving a lot of information thanks so so much for positivity and your video
Glad you enjoy the content!
That EVO will need a front aero package to keep it glued to the track, to balance out the new rear wing.
Right on, looks good. What kind of motor are using for the DRS actuation?
Karen alone should have sent your subscriptions to an easy 1m 👍
Merci :)
pro tip, use PUR foam for molds, e.g. Ebalta or Necuron
Savage job! Thanks for sharing
Severely underrated 🎉
I would love this on my S2000 very nice work 👍🏾
You should have a plc controller that uses inputs from a g meter and a brake position sensor
Love the innovation!
7:40 how was the carbon laid up? How can the carbon fiber have a nice finish out of the bag without a surface sheet (FSAE icelanders technique)?
Great work you guys. Solid ideas Karen. You are a good team player. I like the wing design. I am curious about the vacuum bag you were using. Can you share more?
What about it? :)
@@onelittlewanderer5342 it looks like a very adaptable design. How does it work and where did you get it? ✌🙋🏻♂️
@@johndeerman2105 I'm not sure what brand or type of vacuum bagging material it is, but we had to make the closed portion ourselves. We just used a large folded sheet, placed double sided tape around the edges, laid on the white fabric, closed it up, and turned on the vacuum to suck out the air! It's a good technique but the downside is you have to leave the vacuum on for a long time. We haven't figured out out to seal it shut without letting air out yet.
I have an idea on how to make supports lighter without disturbing airflow. Just mill out a pocket with a lip and possibly some webbing left, then glue in a piece of plastic (or other material) cut to size. Optionally sandwitch or wrap the whole part.
Also You should try flow and morph toolpaths out, escpecially on parts with smooth, curved profile.
This video was absolutely insane! Keep up the good work 👍
You should run like a bicycle brake cable to pull and push so you cam hide the motor lower in the car.
Karen is so cute, and smart. She's a keeper.
....
Merci :)
@@onelittlewanderer5342😊👍
Nice detailed Video, though quite complicated with the mould, Have a look at ECO-LAP 's video, just gives a different process with the same basic structure
Preheat those aluminum brackets to around 170 f before welding and it will go a lot better, also don't weld with a dirty tungsten, make sure you have a nice clean balled tungsten.
I finally found a video of someone doing this
Just out of curiosity: for future versions, would it be possible to remote-mount the motor so it doesn't get in the way of the airflow? I imagine just that one obstruction alone makes a significant difference in the drag created by the wing.
Sooo impressive...inspriational - keep up the great work
I looooooved your video, keep it coming guys
Cool wing! 👍
Great video and very impressive work!
The karen we all car guys love to have
Hahah thanks. Appreciate it.
wow this is super cool, what kind of motor/actuator is that?
WTF? Dude!
I used to follow your build of that Mercedes powertrain-based car
you engineered years ago- I even bought a T-shirt from you.
I kinda lost track of you, then I see this video in my feed-
it looked interesting. I begin watching, hear & recognize your voice!
Wow! You must've changed channels or name?
Is this lady your Partner on the channel? GF? Wife? You got a minivan now?
dude started a company called xf motorsports about a year ago, hence the change to the channel name. the girl is karen, she was his first employee, and she does the day-to-day cnc and carbon fiber fabrication to support their sales of various parts for high-performance/racing cars (e.g., the wing here, oil pump gears, transmission adapters, etc.). another dude shown briefly in the video is named sebastian (he was the one doing the aluminum welding), and he's the second employee, and he's a very good welder, and metal fabricator, and a good general mechanic (no where near sridar's (i think that's his name...) level, lol but who tf is???).
Nice wing project. Consider rounding over every visible piece. If you look at a F1 car, you'll never or hardly ever see a hard edge or 90 degree edge. Every corner is nicely rounded over which help slightly with drag, aesthetics and handling.
Lovely craftsmanship. Did you use CFD to tune the aero design?
Awesome!
with the canadian accents of all the ppl in your videos, i'd have never guessed you're based in ontario haha
You could have hot wire cut the foam core much easier, like a model glider wing.
I cant believe how skilled both of you are. Incredible engineering, and really cool you have a Karen to contribute more than just handing you tools haha
is karen an engineer too or did she learn this stuff herself? Also 12:39 I see that nice little touch with the music
i am guessing karen's a recent engineering grad...she appears to already have known the basics of cnc manufacturing, but the carbon fiber work, mold-making, etc. it appears she learned at xf motorsports, and shridar (i think that's his name?) taught himself...EVERYTHING, i think. karen's obviously smart, and careful, and nimble, so she's gonna be good at _anything._ that was indeed a dope editing touch with the music, good call. i never even noticed, but i can tell dude's filming and editing skills are getting almost as good as his automative engineering skills, and that's saying something.
lol, your name is so refreshingly honest! xD
@@douglasharley2440 You're right for the most part. And I'm actually not an Engineer. I'm an aspiring UX Designer :)
@@onelittlewanderer5342 aha! so you must be the person responsible for the dope xf motorsports website, huh? :)
@@douglasharley2440 He started it up himself, but I've tweaked a few things haha.
@@onelittlewanderer5342 the user experience is tight af! ;)
that's something I've always wanted for my c6z corvette 🥰
Great video guys. What profile and slot gap did you end up using?
Make one for the f1 project!
Do you use prepreg carbon or are you using vacuum infusion? Also, i only know it only from our car which not made for high speed, cant you just use carbon ribbons as core material for the wing?
Or wouldnt it hold up on these high downforces?
Nice work the wing looks really good.
Did you consider making the top wing adjustment using rods and a cantilever (like in the ASL suspension) and putting the motor to the base of the wing support? Would it improve the aerodynamics?
What motor is it? Great work!
Absolutely awesome product. Now i need a car worthy of it
I'd like to get some specifics to build this for a superkart~
only question i have is that isnt the weight distribution a bit challenging bcuz of the motor? i mean shouldnt we add a weight to the left of the spoiler so the weight on both sides get the same?
Nice work. What software did you use to draw the the wing, Autocad are inventor?
Are you gonna use the E55 ASL as a testbed for these things?
Wow amazing work! How does the DRS motor work when there's 100s of kgs of downforce going on? You must have designed the path everything moves along very carefully.
what will be the cost to get one for a Toyota brz 2017
I want to hear more from Karen! She is obviously an engineer like you. What a great team!
I'm actually not an engineer. I'm flattered that everyone thinks so. I'm an aspiring UX Designer :)
@@onelittlewanderer5342 well ok. You are a UX designer.... I still love watching you make parts! You also have a beautiful smile!
Did you do anything to minimalise galvanic corrosion between the aluminum and the carbon?
I wish this guy can fix my Mercedes is so good working with Mercedes very Impressed
the wing is not on the website... when will it be back?
Dear XF Motorsports!
Could you tell me the material of the wing mold?
E55 manual swap, can't wait
Great work, what’s happening with the e55 amg manual? You giving up on it?
Any way you guys can build one to fit a tesla model 3?
The ONLY karen you want around your car
*karen!
I don't know what that means but I'll take it as a compliment
@@onelittlewanderer5342 lol, "hot" means "extremely attractive!" ;) I just meant you are a beautiful girl, but when you are fabricating parts you are even *more* beautiful. =)
How did you make the actuator work?
any updates for a full kit?
Can you share any details on the motor and how you’re controlling it?
Looks like a lot of fun