The rise of IZ*ONE: How the last Produce group impacted K-pop
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- The rise of IZ*ONE started two and a half years ago when they debuted.
The 12 ladies would shatter records and from 2018 to early 2021 would be the second most popular group after TWICE. The group would shatter records for sales in the first week and have albums and Eps that would go platinum and double platinum.
IZ*ONE proved that collaboration between K-pop idols and J-pop AKB48 Group idols could not only work but would be wildly popular. The group would have a huge fanbase, called WIZ*ONEs, in Korea, Japan, and outside of Asia.
Unfortunately, the girls would be dragged into the Mnet voting manipulation, as it was shown the show’s producers rigged the show. This included IZ*ONE’s final lineup. Despite this controversy in the background, IZ*ONE not only succeeded but thrived.
When it was announced the group would disband after their two-and-a-half-year contract, fans raised about $3 million USD to save them. More radical fans tried to demand that the group to stay together at the CJ E&M offices. However, the group would follow through and disband in April 2021.
When IZ*ONE disbanded, it marked the end of the Produce era. Created from the incredibly popular music reality show, Produce 48, the group was instantly popular from their debut.
But rather than dwell on the negative news surrounding the group, let’s break down how the last Produce group became a huge hit in Korea. IZ*ONE impacted K-pop that only a few female groups could match.
Let’s watch The Rise of IZ*ONE unfold and see their story.
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⏱TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro
1:45 The creation of IZ*ONE
3:15 The impact of the 2 and a half year contract
5:05 Instant success from the start
8:10 How IZ*ONE captured fans’ hearts
9:01 Fans raise $3 million with the Parallel Universe Project
10:01 Fans’ pleas to save the group
11:21 IZ*ONE disbands
12:14 The Produce voting scandal
15:58 The morality with the vote-rigging
16:53 IZ*ONE’s impact and thoughts
17:01 The labels wanted their idols back
19:24 Perhaps some wanted to move on
20:21 Gives a better impression of J-pop
22:15 Brings more casual fans to K-pop
23:35 The Produce series lives on outside Korea
24:42 Now over to you
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*No one can change the fact, IZ*ONE is the most successful girl group from PRODUCE SURVIVAL SHOW*
@@fun_cool_sex "successful girl group"
get it?
As a Once / Orbit, stanning IZ*ONE was extremely easy.
I’m a Once and a Wiz*One and i wanna stan loona BUT THERES SO MANY MEMBERS
@@nickb324 but loona has 12 members just like iz*one 😂 you managed it once, I'm sure you could manage it again HAHAHA
@@nickb324 bro i stan izone,treasure and nct at the same time...i know you can handle it😂😂
@@keno6448 yoww me too though
same.. after IZ*ONE.. LOONA is now my ULTIMATE GROUP
I have been a wiz*one since day 1 and these girls have a very special place in my heart. Not only are they musically talented in terms of singing, dancing, and rapping [ ;) ], but their personalities of being humble, kind, and humorous [crackheads] not only to each other but everyone they interacted with really made me fall in love with them which is why they will always be my ultimate Kpop group. Even people in the industry always complimented the girls when working with them. In other words, the vibes all 12 members give off even when together makes them so strong and personable. Plus, all of their title tracks and even B-sides are bops, no doubt.
Also, the fandom of wiz*ones are truly unique, unlike any other fandom I've been a part of since becoming a Kpop fan in 2013. The unity we showed through trending daily hashtags on Twitter after the entire scandal in late 2019, to the creation of our own paper company for the Parallel Universe Project, raising over 3 million dollars with JUST Korean wiz*one's money in about three months, while still trending daily hashtags on Twitter today. This fandom is seriously the best and one-of-a-kind.
No matter what the outcome is regarding PUP, wiz*ones will always support the girls in the future. Also, it was confirmed from the members' agencies that many do want to continue IZ*ONE activities fyi. :)
I am not a wizone but what made me admire these girls are their determination. They have insane Synchronization and such humble girls.
IZone have that SNSD vibes. They are one of the "what if" in kpop
I was an AKB48 fan but got into kpop thanks to produce48 and izone. produce48 aired free in japan so many young japanese watched the show and became a fan of izone. izone came on one of the most famous japanese variety shows such as shabekuri 007 and fukaii hanashi and catched alot of public attention.
But I wan't to point out that JO1, the group made from produce 101 japan is very successful and they sell better than all of the kpop groups that debuted in 2020. JO1is one of the best profit makers for cjenm now.
That's true that JO1 is very successful. I wish I added that in the video, as Produce 101 Japan was as popular from an international standpoint. But in Japan, the show and JO1 are doing incredibly well, as you said.
As for IZ*ONE coming from the Shabekuri 007 and Fukaii Hanashi, good catches. They came from some popular variety shows and I can see why the group is hugely popular in Japan as well.
Samee
Their the first girl group make me want to watch their reality show..i love watching their eating trip show..no matter what i will support their own career.. im not busy body with other idols..or hate other idols ...why non wiz*one always attack them....
same.
IZ One, at its height, was the premier Kpop girl group, perhaps the second only to Blackpink. Its sales record was also the second, only behind Blackpink. It sold 1.3 million physical copies in 2020, which was unheard of in Kpop girl group history until Blackpink broke the record by selling 1.5 million copies. Some indicators pointed out that IZ One was the bigger girl group than Twice or Red Velvet. Well, it is hard to say. It is certainly debatable. But IZ One certainly has achieved a lot in a very short span. One thing clear is that it has one of the strongest hardcore fans in Kpop.
Agreed. From 2018 until IZ*ONE's disbandment in 2021, you could say the top three female groups in Korea was Twice, IZ*ONE, and Blackpink. While like you say, it's debatable IZ*ONE could have been better than Twice (or Red Velvet), I think Twice's longevity, consistency, and public perception in Korea would still put them on top imo.
@@Popsori I agree. IZ One was fantastic between 2018 to 2021 but, Twice was already Kpop superstar prior to 2018. Twice had incredible 2016 and 2017. It's highest achievement came not from SK, but from Japan, where Twice had sold-out concerts at stadium venues! Not even Blackpink could have done this. That is why Twice is #1 girl group in Korea and Japan while Blackpink is the #1 globally. Twice also has more hits and awards during this period than any girl group overall. I think the battle between IZ One and Red Velvet is closer one. While IZ One is beloved in Korea and Japan, RV has longevity, consistency and public perception that it is the "Biggest group" from the most powerful agency in SM.
Definitely, Twice was incredibly dominant in 2016 and 2017. It was great to see Twice's dominance firsthand living in Seoul, as everyone would talk about Twice and play their songs.
Would also agree that Blackpink is #1 globally for female K-pop groups. I think Western countries like the Blackpink, girl-crush, confident style more.
With IZ*ONE and Red Velvet, that battle is a lot closer. Overall, like you said, I would put RV ahead of IZ*ONE, since they have that longevity, consistency, and public recognition that they're SM's biggest female group.
Actually ONE. THE STORY concert was never meant to be a final concert. They (CJ) just dropped out of sudden D-3 before Concert that it would be their final one, which was weird because that meant there were gonna be a 1 month break after the concert. Even the concert quote wasn't like the other Produce's group final concert, since the other directly tells a farewell while IZ*ONE didn't have, which reflect there's something going weird in the middle of contract extension meeting. Two of members' songs performed at the concert was also never digitally released till now and a magazine interview told us that the members are actually still preparing for the KR/JP ver. respectively of their unreleased concert songs and many more songs for the groups, and CJ - SOTR actually didn't let them to release them even after their disbandment despite them having 1 month break after the concert till the contract termination. That's why KWIZ were enraged that doing all they can to keep all the 12 members and IZ*ONE name for future activity. Since the 12 of them have a real chemistry and friendship with each other, that they still personally express that they miss each other even after their disbandment. They also still keeps communicating and meeting with each other as much as they can. It's only due the agencies greed and contract that forced them to separate. Plus do you know how hard it's to build and nurture a new group's fame if they ended up to redebut? Have you ever count how many new groups have debuted from IZ*ONE era till now? It's even more depressing to see the fact that most Produce members' group doesn't have much popularity at hands, even some of them ended up disbanding or unactive making them experience multiple farewells. Most the ex Produce groups' members have millions of followers while the non-Produce members of the group grew unnoticed. Not to mention most agencies only see their trainees or idols as simply a money maker. I just really question those agencies stan that completely blinded by the fact that they are the fans of their idols not their companies.
For sure and I should have worded it better in the video that One: The story was not planned to originally be a final concert. I think IZ*ONE was surprised and/or confused about a possible contract extension.
I can't blame WIZ*ONEs for being mad, as the disbandment was not handled in the best way. But at the same time, the contract was set for two and a half years originally and they met that timeline, so it's a tough situation. I can see this from the labels' standpoint of wanting their idols back to debut in their own company's groups.
As for most Produce members' groups not having much popularity, that's true. The Produce groups were all from a very well branded TV show, so it's the equivalent of debuting from "The Big 3" or Hybe. The Produce brand is the very reason why IZ*ONE was so popular and why each member has millions of followers today. Debuting from that brand meant instant success and an already-built in fanbase of millions of Produce fans from the first two seasons.
While you bring a strong point that fans follow idols, not companies, it's those same companies that do business and make profit. It takes both idol and company to make profit in the end.
These words should've been heard by these agencies.
Was never a huge IZ*ONE fan when they were around, but I always thought groups like them and Twice were really important for uniting Korea and Japan, it's a shame we're going to lose that now. Having a group with both Korean and Japanese members is a great way to balance out the market.
These new "all-Japanese K-Pop groups" such as JO1 and NiziU don't seem like a good thing to me. Their immense success has me worried that Korean agencies will invest more in these Japanese groups, as that's where the money is, and thus neglect from promoting their Korean groups in Japan.
I agree with you that groups like TWICE and IZ*ONE are important for uniting Korea and Japan. Pop culture has a way of soothing rivalries and past history a bit better.
As for JO1 and NiziU, I think it's what you say: making more money in Japan. The big problem with Korean groups promoting in Japan is there's a huge barrier. You probably know this, but Japanese fans don't like Korean groups if they just "promote and run," or basically, just go to the country to make money and leave.
Japanese fans respect K-pop groups that learn the language and culture and stay awhile. It's a big reason why 2PM, KARA, and Tohoshinki (TVXQ) were so popular in Japan. With JO1 and NiziU, even if they have some K-pop influences, they're still Japanese and know the country's language and culture, which means they'll be a lot more accepted in Japan.
@@Popsori Yeah, completely agree.
Guys there is possibility of them to come back please support the parallel universe project this is a fan funding project korean wiz*one already raised over 3 billion won to let them redbut there is also article about cj enm discussing over their redbut or relaunch so please show your support 🙂🙂🙂🙂🤗
thank you for this 😭 wizone really love them because izone treat them like a friend would. they are just so different from the other groups. we love to seeing them just being chaotic and making a mess like a normal people do. gosh i miss them 😭
izone simply encapsulated exactly what it means to be a kpop idol - they have millions of international fans, yet this didn't get to their heads to the point where they abandoned the true essence of kpop. too often do we see groups from the big 3 companies become westernised due to their growing global success, but not izone. they are true to korean pop which is so rare to see nowadays.
aww this makes me miss them even more.. no group made me stan harder except iz*one.. i really miss them so much..
i felt grateful to know iz*one since the beginning and stan them till today and will support 12 girls in their future activities
This video need update, or second part, all members are thriving right now, in group or solo.
For sure! The former IZ*ONE members are doing great. If my Patreon supporters or CZcams subs request it enough, I'm down to do another post-IZ*ONE follow up.
Thank you for this video! My heart saddens whenever i hear about their disbandment and the pain still lingers, especially how traumatizing One the story was…but nevertheless, you explained their journey well and may we see all 12 of them together once more ❤️
Thank you for watching! I'm honored you watched the video and for your comment. It is sad what happened to IZ*ONE and "what could have been." I'm thinking the 12 ladies will do well post-IZ*ONE.
THANK YOU FOR THIS🥺💛
Thank you for watching this video! I'm really humbled.
I’m like 90% sure this was the original plan for IZ*ONE:
Color*Iz to debut in late 2018
Heart*Iz to comeback in first half of 2019
Eyes On Me concert tour in mid to late 2019
Bloom*Iz in late 2019
EYES TRILOGY COMPLETE
Oneiric Diary concert (probably not a tour) in early 2020
Oneiric Theatre concert in early to mid 2020
One-Reeler: Act Four in mid to late 2020
One, The Story in late 2020
UNKNOWN SECOND FULL ALBUM to complete ONE Trilogy in March 2021
Final concert in April 2021 (possibly Forever as One concert?)
Came here after the release of i’ve HAVE WHAT WE WANT. Still can’t believe that this ONLY GG can keep up with THE BIG 3 QUEEN’S FROM THE BIG 3 COMPANY and making the KPOP scene more anticipating, Came to an end it’s such a bummer we couldn’t save them. We miss the LOUD and MESSY vlive that’s always been deleted by vlive, We miss their songs and songs they composed for their fans and Importantly we MISS Iz*one, Iz*one is the reason we wiz*one are still fighting but we must accept the fact that they will take separate ways all we have to do is support them in their future endeavors💕. 2 members(Yujin, Wonyoung) will debut under starship, 2-3 Members ( Kkura, Chaewon, if minju accept hybe offer) will debut under Hybe and 3 members(Yuri, eunbi, yena(2022) will going solo, 1 members(hyewon) doing vlogs. We will miss them in one stage together but im still finger crossed for possible relaunch call me weird but thats how i love iz*one
Definitely, it's sad that IZ*ONE disbanded, especially since they kept up with the other two biggest girl groups: Twice and Blackpink.
I think each member will do well individually and maybe they can reunite. It will be tough to reunite though, since there's lots of K-pop labels to negotiate with to get everyone back.
But unexpected things have happened in K-pop before, so never say never with an IZ*ONE reunion!
Starship is the only reason why the relaunch failed huhu. But we can’t blame starship though because starship and mnet had a sus back then mnet kept on sabotaging starship’s artist, There’s also a reason why starship kept rejecting the relaunch they already set a GG when Yujin and wonyoung finish their activity with iz*one. But only if starship just gave wiz*one a chance just for only 2-3 years extension is it too much to ask? Even yujin and wonyoung wants to relaunch with iz*one should they consider the decision of their artist right? Because iz*one got cut to short to met their fans due to covid situation.
I hope we will see them in one stage again😭 iz*one is the biggest loss in kpop and iz*one gonna leave a mark in history that produce group can keep up with the JUGGERNAUT GG LIKE TWICE AND BP
@@Popsori 8:33 What does boomer mean ? Please ?
@@1HUFFMAN It means either an older person that's out-of-touch with current trends and stuck in their outdated ways (think a lot of 40+ year old people). Or it means a person that thinks old-school (even a younger 20 year-old person).
@@Popsori TYVM sir for the reply. I did search it. That was the answer I came up with. I looked at comments/replies on other vids that showed this same clip and several mentioned it perhaps was referring to an enhanced body part of Eunbi's. Feel free to delete this comment after you read it. Peace to you and your family. Be safe my friend.
I am extremely happy about that vote rigging thing coz if it wasn't for that, the most synchronized group IZONE wouldn't be there.. besides, the original Izone (without vote rigging) doesn't really fit on the IZONE's concept fr..
The Current IZONE members were just perfectly put together...
Izone have their own aura
Thank you for this video! Iz*one is my favourite group and I miss them so much 😭 They are legends going down in history.
I miss them so much. They deserve much more😭
Thanks for this video. Iz*one is my first Kpop group that really pulled me In. I listened to Kpop before them but with colors and la vie en rose that’s what I feel really made a a Kpop fan. Ever since then I’ve been nonstop Kpop.
Thanks for the video, as wiz*one I love it.
No problem Dmitry! Thank you for watching the video, as I'm always humbled.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO😭💖 IT MAKES ME MISS IZ*ONE MORE😔💕
Hybe is now forming a new gg with izone's members
Sakura
Minju
Chaewon
And Yunjin from PD48
Thank you so much, i’ve been waiting for u to talk about their immense impact!
No problem! Thanks for watching; really appreciate it 😀
thank you for your content i love it, i hope everyone will know IZ*ONE because they are so precious 💗
more IZ*ONE contents please! ^^
To be honest that video is better than i expected and i also just discivered you so its a good first impression
This video was really informative, thanks for making this video Jason!
i felt that when fan's please to save the group. at least we tried
I miss them being together, hope for the best to them, thank's for this video, thank's to all of you who have supported our girls 🙏😊💝
You forgot the bond fans will make with members through character development during the show drama of making it into the finals ,I think that was the key for fans and members to form a love that snsd never created or any group that don't do fan service , example I followed juri to rocket punch and 2 other members from produce 48 that were with eunbi woolim label and if it was just for their first single I wouldn't have fall in love with them but when they did the CZcams videos to get to know them called "punchtime" and then I'D rocket punch 2 and izone did that with enozi that was the best fan service of a group since because it was reliable and subtitle plus the extra shows which I'm just missing the Japanese shows I can't find them entirely subt
omg infinite h's pretty as bg for intro?? 😭
anyway thank you for the iz*bubs video 💜
14:54 naurr ahn yujin tooo
Produce 101 japan season 2 is very famous internationally because of the live streaming of the episodes on CZcams itself and less restrictions and even international fans can vote someway.
Also it has trainees from many countries across the world
Can u mention where are the English subbed episodes on CZcams?? I can’t find them anywhere
Izone concept is elegant
Izone go redebut😍😍😍
This video need more views 👍
“And then we cancelled the produce series.”
Mnet:
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Just found out your channel and I'm so glad I found it! Keep on with the good work!! ;)
my tears drop when wizone and iz*one part 🥺 and on iz*one final words for wizones🤧
PLEASE BRING BACK OUR GIRLS. 🥺
you know what Jangta, every time I see your video I always see your
Kuma figurine
Really good quality of video, my only opinion is if you can change background to only blank cover or something better decoretet in backgrouhnd, anyway great videos and great quality!
I agree with changing the background. I'll have to come up with a better background in future videos, since this is the only room I can shoot videos in.
And if you got any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Thanks for watching the video, as I'm always humbled people watch them!
Just got your email and made me super interested in that topic(not about this video)! I would appreciate if you considered making a video about how the knowledge of the Korean language impacts on how you see and understand Kpop in many aspects. If there’s any content to be put out regarding that, of course. Thank you!
Thanks for reading the email! Glad you enjoyed it. I'll definitely make a video in the future about how the Korean language impacts K-pop knowledge.
I liked IZ*ONE and wish they had a contract extension. Historically, the follow up groups formed following the disbandment of Produce series groups have done almost uniformly poorly in terms of subsequent sales and activities, and so it really seems to be a bad decision by all of the agencies which refused to continue. Their greed is understandable but stupid from a business perspective.
I am highly skeptical that IZ*ONE drew much attention in the Korean market to the 48 groups. Japanese Idols are a very different thing than Korean idols. The 48 groups in particular are cabaret acts who invite their audience to invest themselves in individual idol's progress within a revolving-door system where new members are constantly enter and leave the group. There is, as you point out, talent there, but it's much more about the process rather than the results (i.e. the songs and MVs). AKB48 has had an unbelievable string of hits in Japan, routinely double that of IZ*ONE's or even TWICE's sales in Japan, but a significant portion of those sales were driven by the sousenkyos (elections) which both chose members for some the singles and allowed fans to track the progress of their favorite members. Neither the cabaret form nor the election system has been tried successfully in S. Korea, AFAIK (in contrast to the handshake events that the 48 groups perfected if not initiated and are now wholly integrated in Korea).
I can see your point with IZ*ONE not drawing as much attention to the AKB48 groups. Even with IZ*ONE's popularity, the AKB48 groups are a bit too weird for K-pop fans.
With that being said, I've seen some AKB48 and HKT48 videos post-disbandment with a lot more Korean comments on CZcams. Same goes on Naver cafes talking about J-idol music a bit more, thanks to IZ*ONE. I do think having the sousenkyos (elections) implemented in K-pop would be hard to do. Some other aspects of AKB48 groups would be hard to pull off in Korea as well.
As with the follow up groups to Produce groups, you bring up a good point. Nearly all of them are not successful post-Produce groups, for some odd reason. And as for having IZ*ONE go past their two and a half year contract, I can definitely see greed seeping in. From a business perspective, I think many of the labels wanted their idols back.
Produce itself was using the sousenkyo elections as a template via the voting, the AKB system is probably more secure since you have to buy physical items compared to relatively cheap phone votes in Produce.
@@mohitoride It's a good point that the Produce series did try to exploit that idea that the power was (supposed to be) entirely in the hands of the public voters as is the case of the AKB48 sousenkyo senbatsus (singles). There was that incessant framing that "you are the producers" in the Produce series. I'm not sure "secure" is the right word, but I see what you're getting at: having people pay for a cd per vote is a surer way to know which of the performers people will be willing to shell out money for in the future.
@@Popsori It's interesting to consider what Aki-P and AKS (the former parent corporation of the 48 groups) wanted out their participation in Produce 48. I'm sure they wanted to lift the brand awareness of the 48 groups, and, in that sense, IZ*ONE was probably even more successful for them than they expected exactly as you say. But I also can't help wonder if they also wanted to establish a toe-hold in Korea itself to create a 48 group in Seoul, but those plans were frustrated at the outset by limiting the voting within the series to Koreans. It was certainly odd to name the series Produce 48 and not have 48 members from Japan which (pure speculation) I feel they would have were the voting system more equitable for the Japanese participants.
@@scttschlz Feels like a pure audience vote is never the ideal solution because mass vote via electronic or big spenders. Mnet ran the show like any other and created successful groups where there is a panel and director input, the issue is the misleading marketing.
The other side of the whole debacle is immense pressure to create a hit group. If you left the chances to the masses you often get many misses like normal talent audition shows. Kpop is still heavily controlled by agencies to make successful idols/product as opposed to an artist coming of their own.
Nobody likes when a promising/talented group just disbands because they couldn't catch on, so it does have a logic for what the PD of Produce did.
The outcome is kind of the same as the manipulation, if Produce failed to deliver a hit group it would mean the system doesn't work (audience were wrong) and kpop declining. CJ was really starting to dominate the industry and competing with the big 3.
Even though IZ*ONE has disbanded WIZ*ONE is still here and I want to say STAY STONG WIZ*ONE!
girls planet 999 is basically produce 101 season 5
I think it's more produce 48 s2
it's interesting to watch this in hindsight after post izone groups and solo acts have debuted (and gp999 being aired)
I’ve never heard of them. But I’m happy for the girls that their hard work pays out.
Iz*one is with us in the parallel universe forever♡♡♡♡
China is learning from Korea, dramas, kpop-like artists.
@黒い死神 That's a shame. But with the recent relations between China and Korea, I can see this happening.
@黒い死神 that’s not that the show was ban because it’s produce it’s because one of the most popular show Youth With You had a huge controversy and these shows in China, the fans have to spend money on their idols to make them debut so when the government got involved this whole thing is just controversial so they banned it, not because of anything related to S.Korea please get your facts correct!!
Kpop has been banned in China for 5 years. During last 5 years, there has been no kpop concerts and no airwave. This applies to BTS, Blackpink or any group.
All produce groups are legends
PD48 introduce 48gg fans to kpop and vice versa, and also made japan to have their own produce groups.
End of Produce era? I think they should make more “Produce” shows. BUT, make fan voting only “ADVISORY” (what fans like, but NOT binding). Professional judges (5/7/9/11/13/21) who are active in entertainment industry (like all of the past teachers/mentors/judges for Produce series and JYP, YG, etc) should be doing the ranking. Put priority on talent, ability, personality, appearance, etc to create a well balanced group (like IZ*ONE). Less emphasis on popularity. Having a couple million people voting on who they like (using different criteria and biases) is not the way to put together a well balanced group.
I personally really disliked the produce 101 franchise when i watched it. The voting system was just a popularity competition, which is fine, however survival shows are somewhay reality shows, and I feel there are some real talented and charismatic idols who dont get a fair start because something dumb like visuals, but also that it a reality show, they sensationalise things. For example it put kpop on higher pedalstool compared to jpop and the holier than thou attitude made me respect the show less. That's no suprise these shows do so well because ppl loooovveee a good survival show. But we lice in a society where the more good looking the more success you will have. REALITY SHOWS AND IDOL SYSTEMS CAPITLISE ON THAT which is why i dont support produce. Also, i was not surprised about the vote rigging. It was obvious.
I did enjoy some of the music I.O.1 produced, however I really couldnt supprt the other produce group's work because of my bias against produce franchise and reality tv shows.
For sure, with reality shows, it really is a popularity show. Things like visuals are going to be placed at the top or near the top of important characteristics, for better or worse. I think it comes down to Korean culture, where looks are highly valued, even moreso than most other countries.
I can understand the bias against the Produce franchise and heck, even Mnet shows. I know Mnet has new shows like Queendom and Girls Planet 999 with a new "observer" system to prevent vote-rigging. But I'm very skeptical of the observer system unless there's total transparency every show, where any viewer can see all the calculations each idol's voting total.
@@Popsori I really like these survivals shows give participants opportunity who dont have the backing of a major company but are really talented, but it hasnt worked out for them in the past. Also opportunity to already debuted idols another chance. However only very few, I feel have consistent projects and work after they do debut from their appearances, but didnt make the final cut.
I like those shows where it gives idols that didn't do well the first time have a second chance. In recent years, those "revival" music shows are popular in Korea.
But like you said, very few actually make a comeback even if they win a revival show. Brave Girls is the best example in recent years of a group getting a second chance and it wasn't from a revival show. I think these days, content creators and fans' videos going viral provide a much better shot of an artist becoming popular again than revival shows.
But with that being said, I can't knock revival shows, since their intent of giving second chances is a good goal.
Just a little correction: Hitomi is from AKB48 Team 8, not from HKT48 (Like Sakura and Nako) I've seen people asking why Hitomi isn't part of HKT48 activities... so to avoid confusion she's from Team 8.
Also, that they were able to perform in a Japanese show without a debut and with a Korea song was a first too. And that's thanks to Jline and Akimoto producer. (SNSD and Kara and all other kpop groups first debuted with a single/song in Japanese and then performed in any music show unlike IZONE)
Thanks for the correction! I think I got mixed up while doing research and watching AKB48 sister group videos.
@@Popsori it's okay, I just wanted to help because as an AKB48 fan I know new fans have some troubles with everything. Don't worry, just wanted to let everyone know cuz as I said, I've seen many people asking about Hitomi in HKT. Other than that it was a great video ☺
Lee Ga Eun and Han Chowon's image are not meant for the image of IZ*ONE
i love these mini documentaries on kpop, and ur one of the best.. i checked out akb48 stuff.. still sucked, and produce exposed the level difference in skill between japanese idols vs korean.. so it didn't really make them more appealing to me...i wish my Fromis 9 will find this success.. they seem to have everything going for them.. yet they aren't big :(
That makes sense. AKB48 isn't for everyone, even after seeing Produce48 and IZ*ONE.
As for Fromis_9, they do have an incredible banger with "We Go." That song was trending in Korea on Instagram and Tik Tok from Baek Ji-heon's school dancing to it. It's one of my favorite summer songs so far in 2021.
@@Popsori hell yeah We go is fantastic, i only brought them up cause i believe they are the same company as CJEM? so with iz*one disbanding hopefully they can put more effort on them
Ahhh gotcha! It would be cool to see more effort put towards Fromis_9, as they're a fun group.
I don't think it was expanded upon in this video but a big part of AKB that I dont think people outside of Japan (or where their sister groups are located) can experience is the "idols you can meet" factor. It's the attainability of the idols and jpop is meant to be more down to earth. AKB48/sister groups hosts concerts/performances almost DAILY (each team rotates, taking turns), and after every concert, you can have a meet and greet with the idols. It's a whole bigger investment to Stan them (like money, time, etc...)
Also there is more emphasis on skills beyond being an idol (ie entertainer/comedian). It's not just about dancing and singing. Depending on each region they have different themes (if AKB is the original/base model), ie SKE (focus on power/dance/darker concept), NMB (focus on comedy/skits/entertainers), HKT (focus on youth/cute/models), etc... They are trained fundamentally in different things, you can't expect idols who spend half their time prepping comedy specials like NMB to be the best at dancing or singing.
if izone didnt get banned,ive and le serafim wouldnt exist
It would but without iz*one members
how about Girls Planet 999?? new survival show by mnet that, rumour has it, just use app vote & not using text vote...
Will you need money to vote on girls planet?
They are talent...
They have lots of self produce song that never release
Even their last songs "lesson" and "parallel universe" never shown on surface
This is the most disappointment move towards CJ
And yet, CJ ENM and Mnet continue to do business and make money today. A few people sacrificed for the public while the real culprits are free to continue their corruption. There seems to be a pattern in how power works in South Korea and how the Korean public seems to be complicit in this type of theatre. Or is it just me?
I think you're right. As you correctly guessed, there's a lot of corruption in the South Korean music industry. As long as you make money, know the right people (aka connections), and don't do anything "too bad" against the public, many of the real culprits stay in power.
I feel bad for some of the contestants that didn't make IZ*ONE but should have. Getting screwed over for a chance to be in IZ*ONE is career changing. But at the same time, it's not any of the final IZ*ONE member's faults.
I agree that the real culprits should be held accountable. But I don't have a solution, unfortunately.
Imiss IZ*ONE😭
Jason, sorry if you have seen this already. But did you see the article on Pledis ceo who got caught putting his wife’s name down on 8 of IZ*ONE’s songs, to receive royalties that she made no contribution to. When this was made public knowledge, he backed down and removed her name from the song credits and gave back all the royalties. So this does unfortunately happen in South Korea as well. Thanks.
Hi Derek, yeah, I actually heard of this before but didn't know much about it. After you mentioned it, I looked it up and yeah, that's really shady what happened :(
I'm glad they gave back the royalties as it's just wrong. Thanks for this story.
You can't bundle the funding and the disbandedment together, this gave the impression that the funding was in vain and they disbanded. Which is wrong since PUP is still on going.
Hmmm, I wouldn't say the funding was in vain, as getting over $3 million USD in funding is very impressive. I'm sure the producers and labels took notice of the incredible support.
The video is saying that despite raising so much money, unfortunately, it wasn't enough, as the group still disbanded. Although money is a huge factor, there's more than that whether a K-pop group sticks around or not.
@@Popsori that is what I'm having a problem with. The purpose of PUP is to relaunch IZONE, not to extent its contract. So they aware that IZONE will disband at the end of April, that was why the 1st deadline of the project ended in June. Therefore, when you said the group disbanded despite the funding was completely wrong.
The funding was never about to keep IZONE from disbanding on April 29th, but to relaunch the entire group of IZONE after they disbanded. So it didn't make sense for you say despite the funding, IZONE still disbanded.
@@KhoaNguyen-qx8kx I see what you mean.
I think with the video saying the group disbanded despite the funding, again I wasn't meaning that the funding was in vain at all.
I think since the funding was to relaunch the group, as much as $3 million USD is, that actually wouldn't be the deciding factor in the long run.
Having worked in the industry, I know having a 12 member group, plus their staff and managers (let's say 40 people, which is still too small), the donated money to relaunch would be actually a bit too little. Don't get me wrong, having an extra $3 million is great, but it's not the biggest factor.
It comes down more to if the labels are all in, whether the group could be profitable long-term, and whether the members agree to rejoining.
0:20 Ok lets be honest the final 12 that was revealed of IZ*ONE was not open with wide arms, the fans of the show (Produce48) were not happy with the placements and nor did they completely believe it... criticizing it and saying it was visual group with no talent
For sure. The placements when it was first announced had criticism. Yet, once IZ*ONE became popular, nearly all fans supported the choices.
On a related note, I'm a bit mixed on IZ*ONE's placements. There were some contestants that were screwed over because MNet rigged the votes, so IZ*ONE could have had 3-4 different members.
Yet, that's no fault of the current IZ*ONE members that didn't know about the vote manipulation. So I'm happy for the current members and their immense success, yet think the screwed over members should sue MNet for dishonesty.
certainly no fault against them, I only heard about them during La Vie en Rose era and became obsessed and only became aware of the criticisms after watching the show, they are all talented and I enjoy the ups and down of being WIZ*One but to blindly say that there was all positive reception like this video said was a reach, literally 4-5 trainees that made it in was sus and the trainee who seem to have a guaranteed spot by the public reception just placed in the weirdest spot… example Chayeon being placed 12th was not believable… and just seemed like drama for TV.
@@lylepatrick4922 For sure, I do think I could have reworded the video saying there was a lot of criticism at the start.
It truly is a shame that the final end results and weird rankings were pumped up for drama and more exposure.
I always pronounced the fandom name like how the members said it, "Weez-One"
Popsori is a wizone?👀
I'm not, but I do respect what they've done for K-pop.
I hope produce 101 will be back, they just need to use some outsource votes counting company. The promotion the girls are getting even before debut is insane. Too bad the produce curse is here and not many girls will succeed after iz one.
IZ ONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!! 💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
I wasn’t an iz*one stan, but I thought the fandom name was pronounced like “wise one”. My bad!
Haha no worries! I just went with the Korean pronunciation and crossed my fingers :)
vote riggings spend all 4 seasons of produce series?
Yeah. Originally, the Mnet producers said it was just two seasons -- Produce 48 and Produce x 101. Later, they admitted it was all four seasons.
@@Popsori oh damn . all i know id season 3&4 and why kpop fan from knet and inet only talk about produce 48 produce x101 izone and X1 when it comes to rigged manipulation on produce series . i think most of kpop fans / produce series fan didn't know it
@@yujinnie4884 Ahhh I see. Yeah, I saw that it was all 4 seasons 2 years ago in Korean articles. Here's three sources:
[Korean]
news.sbs.co.kr/news/endPage.do?news_id=N1005548909&plink=COPYPASTE&cooper=SBSNEWSEND
[English]
www.soompi.com/article/1349602wpp/police-to-investigate-all-4-seasons-of-produce-101-for-signs-of-vote-manipulation
[English]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnet_vote_manipulation_investigation
In this Wiki above, this is the quote:
"Ahn later admitted to manipulating the rankings to all four seasons of the Produce 101 series."
Actually all 4 produce seasons and Idol School were rigged.
@@yujinnie4884 no they talk about the last two season because IOI and WannaOne were already disbanded. Also, the amount of rigging in the last two seasons were clearly more seriois
JPop never requires height and weight. That is the deal and also every "oshi" fandoms are massive. Secretly massive. Merch in Japan is TOO EXPENSIVEEEEE. But JPop MVs for girls are too 1980s style. Tooooooooo lousy. But JPOP BOY BANDS ARE TOO REFRESHING than JPop girlbands. Just my opinion as a JPop fan please no offense. Advance apology for those who will be hurt.
Girls Planet 999 is just another produce series you guys....
And now we have PD season 5
My updated list for #GirlsPlanet999
Huang Xingqiao
Shen Xiaoting
Su Ruiqi
Choi Yujin
Kang Yeseo
Jeong Jiyoon
K. Yurina
E. Hikaru
S. Mashiro
potential to get in
Chen Hsinwei
N. Shana
Yoon Jia
Izone never disbanded! Get your fact check
Ahhh yes, a WIZ*ONE that's in denial and butt hurt. You make all the awesome WIZ*ONEs look bad.
So if IZ*ONE hasn't disbanded, despite an official statement from the labels saying they did, what do you call the group's status then?
They did disband so get YOUR facts check !
I don't understand why both IZ*ONE fans and Kpop fans in general refer to the produce scandal as something bad and unfortunate. People were robbed, many artists' careers were ruined. It's a good thing that (some of) the people responsible for that got some kind of punishment.
IZ*ONE had a few good songs and some great members, but everything was a mess since the beginning. From their company deciding to ignore a member's potential and popularity just because of her nationality, to fans thinking they own the group members and trying to manage their lives and career, being extremely hateful against the Jpop industry or anything that comes from Japan... sadly, now I only remember IZ*ONE now as the conflictive group from the past that thank God no longer exists.
Produce48 was a great idea, but everything was executed poorly since day 1 of filming until the debuted group disbanded. I'm so glad it's finally over.
I see what you mean as using the words "bad" and "unfortunate." What I meant is that it's unfortunate IZ*ONE had to go through the whole voting scandal in the background while on Produce 48 and later as IZ*ONE.
I do agree that setting up the group was messy. Like you said, Produce48 was a great idea. But I don't think that those troubles should be blamed on IZ*ONE.
I'm just hoping that IZ*ONE gives a better impression of J-pop, while the ladies continuing to do well post-IZ*ONE.
Oddly enough I think the companies w/the people arrested/punished should have been sued by the "aggrieved parties/individuals" Cause in my mind money is what is most important to these companies. The fact that a couple of people went to jail/prison for a while ( ithink I heard that said during the vid) has almost no delirious effect for the "guilty" company and the overall corrupt system. I don't know the particulars of the case I assume the employers of the "guilty producers" were not fined in any significant amount if at all.
I agree that the trainees themselves should have sued the companies. Hit those companies where it hurts the most for them: money. I do know that the guilty parties got hit with a fine anywhere from $10k to $40k USD. Many of the producers were sent to jail for a year and a half to two years.
Personally, I think when they get out of jail, they should be banned for working on any show that relies on voting for at least 5 years.
@@Popsori Thanks for the info. If those fines are for indivdual guilty people that's an OK amount. If their employers paid that should be at ~X10. Who got the $?. I think the ban should be longer and for any position of management/production etc... Btw Good post!
I as wiz*one i know that scandal case..but seeing them happy as izone .. i just follow their dream ..even their disband or re unite again i will always support because your non wiz* one never know...im just simple human..im not to obsess with kpop but i love music ,art and team mate effort..seeing this make me sad i dont know..i dont have any kpop album poster..n more because i love their music ..bts,izone ,bp ,hyuna n more they make me want to keep move forward..seeing the east light disband make my heart break..but i happy their healthy now..and got their justice ..sorry..im broken now..my eng so broken..i love japan pop too..the rampage..🤣😅😭😭😭😭🤣🤣❤️👩🦰🤒