Why Dan Marino Never Won a Super Bowl
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- Explore the journey of Dan Marino, delving into how one of the NFL's most talented quarterbacks never clinched a Super Bowl victory.
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Because it's a team sport and football games are not QB vs QB.
In my opinion we should judge quarterbacks in part by how many successful offenses they led, and Marino led several
@fortynights1513 Dan Marino is criminally overrated if people are putting him in the 🐐 conversation. He's not in it and doesn't deserve to be. He's a top 10 QB of all time but that's where it ends.
If only Marino could have gotten a player like Reggie White or Deion, or even a guy like Charles Haley. Those Dolphin defenses were really horrible back in the 80s and 90s
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Miami had no running game to speak of during much of Marino’s tenure and the softest defense east of Denver throughout, hence no ring.
True. But I have this question. Although I realize Don Shula was a great coach and all why does he get a pass on this “why didn’t Marino win a Super Bowl” conversation? It was glaringly clear EARLY in the Marino-Miami era what their weaknesses were. Why didn’t Shula do anything about it?
My only theory of an answer is Shula’s clout and reputation was so entrenched as a great coach in the 70s that no one ever said hey wait a minute can we talk about Shula’s responsibility in all this?
@@averydaymond1560 But Coach Shula had no idea how bad Marino would play in his 3 championship games after that 1st one---the '84 Conf. Champ. game where he was very good. In those next 3 (all losses) he had 4 TD's but 6 INT's and 2 fumbles, an avg. Passer Rating of 59, and he led his offense to an avg. of only 12 p.p.g.
How can a team win championships when their QB is playing like that ?? They can't and the Dolphins didn't.
You are gonna blow up soon. Great content and thumbnails man, keep it up!
Dan Marino is an all-time top three quarterback. If Miami had a defense, they would have won multiple Super Bowls.
Garbage! Marino was fun to watch, and like Dan Fouts and some others, he put up some great stats; however, he simply was not as good as Joe Montana. He had Shula and Johnson as his coaches, but he still didn't get back to the Super Bowl. That is on Marino. I like the time that he lost his final playoff game. One member of the opposing team said, "Marino has used the exact same audibles for ten years now, and we knew exactly what play he was going to run because he never bothered to change them up. I guess it never occurred to Dan that we had all memorized his audibles".
So football is not a team sport? It's all on the QB, I guess he has to play defense too.
Because his entire career Miami had
💩 defense
💩 running game
ALL of the focus, ALL of the pressure was on Marino to go....
25/30 5-TD 0-INT 400+ yds and win the game 38-35 week after week, year after year.
If Miami would’ve built a well rounded TEAM around Marino (like Denver finally did for Elway 🏆🏆) then would’ve got at least one 🏆.
Denver waited a long time to do that. Elway was about to retire and they finally built a good team. Having TD didn't hurt either.
In other words; the Dolphins front office, which includes Shula.
@@johnbradbury8610bingo. Host an exhibition of Dan Marino’s skills every week, and don’t worry about the score.
The defense was very good in 83, and still solid in 84, but by 85 it would decline more substantially, and wouldn’t improve until Marino was out of his prime.
Stop making excuses for this man, he’d choke in the post season, it’s obvious by his playoff record and stats. You mean to tell me he went to the playoffs 10x and it was always the defense and running game that lost it for them? You should rewatch the games
When they didn’t capitalize in 1985 in AFC championship game against the Patriots, that was really the beginning of the end even though his career was just getting started. They didn’t run the ball enough, and they couldn’t stop air on defense.
Reminds me of the Rams 2000 team. Only team in NFL history to both score 500 points and give up 500 points on defense. At least you knew it was going to be an exciting game even if they played a horrible team.
By Marino’s third season the Killer B’s were older and injured in some cases, and they didn’t do a good job of replacing them.
And Marino never really was paired with a rushing threat.
@@fortynights1513 You have to wonder how things would have been different had David Overstreet not been killed in a car accident…
@@michaelholman517minKCHe might’ve been better than who they had at running back for most of Marino’s prime.
But we’ll never know.
Five reasons. Marv Levy Jim Kelly Thurman Thomas Bruce Smith Cornelius Bennett. Perhaps Andre Reed Steve Tasker Darryl Talley Don Beebe and James Lofton had a hand
Joe Montana.
Easiest answer all week: The Buffalo Bills. Marino's SB ring is eternally enshrined in the gravel of the parking lots of our stadium at Orchard Park.
yet he has the same number of Rings as Jim Kelly.
@@johnharris6655 No, not even close to being true. Kelly played good enough to help his team win 4 Conf. Championship Rings while Marino only played good enough 1 time. I know you were talking S.B.'s but even then Kelly played his team into position to win that 1st S.B. while Marino never got anywhere close to that.
@@johnharris6655He does.
And as such, the Dolphins would have faced the same teams that beat the Bills.
It’s all Ray Finkles fault!
His best chances were in 84 and 85. Dan Marino never had a running game as say John Elway did when he finally got a great back in Terrell Davis. With TD, the Broncos do not get 2 rings. For Marino the running back issue reared it's ugly head in the 49er Super Bowl. The 49er defense played a dime defense and dared Miami to run the ball and the 49er defensive line just kept getting into the back field. The defensive issue also played a big role. Montana just picked on rookie linebacker Jay Brophy with those short passes to Roger Craig and the linebackers just couldn't stop Montana from scrambling for first downs. That 21 2nd quarter was essentially the game. Then in 85, that was their best year to go back and play the Bears. Instead the New England Patriots who hadn't won in the Orange Bowl in years FINALLY got their win. The Pats just ran all over the Dolphin defense and they couldn't do anything to stop it.
Good stuff. This channel is gonna be good. Dont limit yourself to NFL. NHL would be good too.
The worst part was the way Marino came into the league in '83. He was drafted by a S.B. team, had a No.1 Defense for Least Points Allowed, his backs had 2,150 yds. rushing, he had the best coach in the league at that time, and as it turns out he was in the start of his prime which went thru '86. No other rookie QB ever started with all of those plusses.
Marino had 7 teams with a Top 10 Defense when you look at either Least Pts. Allowed or Yds. Given Up, and his backs had over 2,500 yds. rushing and receiving 10 times.
So what was Marino's problem---the way he played in a majority of his playoff games. PFR did a study that showed that Dan gave his team a NEGATIVE VALUE in 10 playoff games and a Value in the single digits in 2 others. They have Marino's overall Value at a terrible NEGATIVE 156
Other Values--Favre 302, Warner 422, Staubach 461, Aikman 527, Young 580, Elway 767, Bradshaw 903, and Montana 1,292. Again, Marino was Negative 156. This study was stopped in '06 or '07 when Chase Stuart left PFR so no totals for Brady, Manning, Brees, etc., etc.
The worst part for Marino---3 of those Negative Value games were championship games--2 Conf. and 1 S.B. Here are his stats from those 3 losses--he had 4 TD's but 6 INT's and 2 fumbles, an avg. Passer Rating of 59, and he led his offense to an avg. of only 12 p.p.g. How can a team win championships when their QB is playing like that ??
I grew up in that period where the NFC dominated the league! Buffalo bils had a great team! They went to 4 straight SB. With no wins! Dan never had a good runningback, and his defense was awful
Dan Marino had a top 10 scoring Defense 5 times during his career.
Marino had 6 years in his prime where his defense was bottom 3 and dead last in run defense. He never had a defense worth a damn
Today he would throw for 6k and 60 touchdowns
Winning teams need balance ot atleast as close as possible, even the likes of Brady and Montana needed balanced rosters so that the game was never solely on them everytime. If you knew the only threat was the QB you can shut that down in a heartbeat.
They had no running game. Case I point. The dolphins were beating the colts 28-3 at halftime.. in the 2nd half Marion threw almost every play. Every time there was an incomplete pass clock stops. They had a lot of three and outs in 2nd half… colts suddenly went on long time consuming drives… colts won 31-28
Don Shula went above his time. No running game and not great defense swelled his fate
Perhaps the greatest display of Marino's talent was his upset of the 85 Bears. It was a matchup which pitted his quick release against the vaunted pressure of the Bears 46 Defense.
Though Marino would get the better of them that night, the Bears would repay him with interest in each ensuing matchup ever thereafter, where Ditka ran the ball and removed Marino from the equation by time of possession dominance.
Ditka would employ the same tactic against Barry Sanders to great effect, once keeping Barry on the bench for 46 minutes of the 60 minute game.
The Dolphins won against the Bears in 1991 at Chicago in OT 16-13. In the snow. So they didn't beat the Dolphins and Dan EVERY time. Js
Marino put up modern day stats in a time when defensive backs were allowed to bump the receivers all the way down the field, defensive backs were allowed to clobber the receivers after they caught the ball, defensive linemen were allowed to clobber the QB. He was slow as molasses but lead the league in fewest sacks every year due to his pocket presence and quick release on his throws. Best pocket passer in NFL history in my opinion.
The 5 yard rule change for DBs being able to shove WRs came into effect for the 1978 season.
@@alanchristie368 Yeah but it wasn't enforced until the early 90's.
Look at all the great teams he would have had to beat during his career. He might have been more talented than any other qb but that's not enough to win super bowls. You need balance. If the other teams are more talented overall, they're going to beat you. Even now, a guy like Patrick Mahomes is struggling with inferior talent on his roster. He's arguably the most talented qb playing now but he has below average talent at wide receiver and his team isn't as good. They can't even catch the ball.
If Dan Marino would have had 1/3 of the team that a lot of these other Super Bowl winning quarterbacks had he probably would have walked away with 4 Super Bowls just like Montana and Bradshaw that's probably why the universe never gave him a defense or Run game or a top-notch receiver remind me of when they say the universe Believes In Balance
Switch him out for Aikman and let Dallas take moss he would've had 9😅
Look at Brady, Montana, and Bradshaw...even Aikman... (the guys with the most rings) All had great defenses. Marino had one.
If Marino would have checked his Ego at the door, and stopped throwing the ball long enough for the running game to develop, the defense wouldn’t have been on the field nearly as much. Those 3 and outs wear a defense down quick.
Turns out Marino's achilles was his achilles heel
I think it starts at the top. Robbie family owns a stadium in sunny Florida, guaranteed to host a SB every 5 or so years whether the Dolphins are good or not.
Also, they bought into the hype. They didn’t want the Dolphins getting the lead and then running the ball and killing the clock. No one wanted to see Marino hand off. The owners wanted the fans to watch every week to see if Dan would break records. It was a business, no commitment to winning. Sign receivers, backs who can catch out of the backfield, TE’s that can get downfield, and fudge the rest.
Finally, Don Shula was NOT a great coach. People forget he coached the team that was the most heavily favored team to play a SB, and lost. SB record of 2-4. Not a great winning pct. either.
Shula got to enamored with Marino and forgot football is a team support
How many Fans , know this Dolphins rushed for 2k yards every year in 1970s, Dolphins did not rush for 2k yards in 1980 , 1981 over 2k yards , 1982 - 9 games , 1983 over 2k yards THEY NEVER RUSHED FOR 2K YARDS AGAIN, Except Marino rookie year , Sums up his career Predictability . Pro Football Reference .
Don Shula's greatest failure: Not winning a Super Bowl with Dan Marino!
Funny that Jim Plunkett has more Rings than Marino. Which is why Super Bowl rings should not be used for HOF consideration. But Plunkett should be in the HOF.
The first guy who spoke was nuts. Dan Marino was unbelievable at throwing the ball. Unfortunately he forgot you have teammates. You know running backs. Guys who run the ball and then when you fake to said running back people believe it. I loved watching him play but he just forgot its a team game.
5,084 yds 48 TD’s and constant 4,000 yard seasons, game winning drives, and comebacks against hard hitting 80’s. If A.I. were to have a contest of QB’s with the highest rate of critical success based on every regular season and playoff game, this great example of competitiveness would be on top of the hill with Mahomes in second place. Okay maybe Mahomes in first place. But everyone else distant. One for my homie…RIP.
RIP? He's still alive.
Yes he is. It was RIP to his career since the channel making the video deals with autopsy. I hope he lives to be 5,084.48 years old
@@agustinhernandez1363 Oh. Got it.
holy smokes, did Marino, in this video, complete the pass when he popped his achilles ? I remember when i was a kid, seeing the report. But I was not watching the game. I was a golf caddy. But now i saw the tape. It appears to pop, he takes a step, and completes a 10 yard pass ? That should be a highlight, because I always saw the post replay, not the actual completion. Did I see that right ? Anotha' highlight ! pass it on !
Marino is the greatest QB the NFL has ever seen. Unfortunately dolphins were a dumpster fire and Dan carried them his entire career
He was so hot
Maybe the Dolphins couldn't bring any talented players because they didn't have the money to pay them. Marino was getting most of the extra cash.
But this was before salary cap limits when like the niners did the dolphins could have spent moolah on getting the dolphins a better D or Marino asking for lower pay so that top notch receivers and other offensive players could have been part of that hopeful but never was dolphins dynasty. Tom Brady on the other hand lowered his salary so that receivers like Welker and moss and Gronk could be part of the dynasty
The more things change, the more they stay the same. Bills still owning the Dolphins and the AFC East
Blame Shula for never finding a running back or run game. Plus, Shula couldn’t build a championship defense. Miami stayed with shula and shula stayed too long.
He would have if the stupid Raiders drafted him, with their defense and Marcus Allen and Bo Jackson in the back field.
his teams defense was weak and he had no running game. he is 1 player of 22 players. 11 on offense and 11 on defense. Marino didnt fail he didnt have the team. put him on the Niners he wins more than Montana. Montana would agree.
The Bill's did it the most, but the Patriots did it first. The Patriots beat them the following year in the AFC Championship Game.
Never had a great RB behind him and Dolphins defense got less talented thru the 80s & early 90s
A...the NFL is rigged any way...
B...Miami had mediocre defenses when Marino played...
C...That was Don Shula's fault to just let Marino throw and throw - no running game...
Never got the respect of his teammates, nor personally liked him much either. That last game 62 to 3 or something, screams it.
Interceptions in Playoff Games and a Girlie Tendency to whine like a spoiled prima donna between plays made Marino a failure in Post Season Games and prevented Marino & his teammates from becoming Super Bowl Champions.
They never had a great defense
BECAUSE HE TOOK ALL THE MONEY, NOTHING LEFT FOR OTHER TALENT, MANAGMENTS PROBLEM
marino was the best pure passer ever. not the best QB ever though. not even close.
Dan Marino was the worst “great” quarterback in the biggest moments. He relied too much on his arm strength and tried to thread the needle too often.
He choked in imprortant moments
... BS
Dan Marino never won a super bowl because he played during the time that the NFC won every single Super Bowl from 1985 to 1998. The NFC was superior to the AFC. For 13 years no AFC won the super bowl. If he had been drafted to the NFC he'd have as many Super Bowl wins as Montana.
That’s 💯 false. He only got there once so to blame it on NFC dominance is laughable
@@jp12696 bug off.
They didn't have a running game. Period. Now, you need the defense as well as a passing game too. But, you really need a running game too. There were talks about 2 years or so before Marino retired, of getting Barry Sanders. That could have given him his Super Bowl. It never happened and the rest is history. Yea, a running game was always missing. Shame. 🫠