Ottomans Are The BEST Multiplayer Civ! | BBG Civ Spotlight
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- čas přidán 19. 02. 2024
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Ottomans are great, but getting the 1st golden is a real struggle in a lot of games. If you don't get barbs I think buying a 3rd scout is worthwhile.
Yeah, it can be pretty rough. I was prepared to make a galley on the lake I settled if need be for the +2 era score you get for your first boat, but it ended up not being necessary here.
"Ottoman did no do anything to the City State of Yerevan, but they deserve it anyway" wolf head emoji, -- sent from Apartment in Berlin
Hersons Turkish audience going bananas over this vid
Is it a miracle an Ottoman video from Herson
What an insane ending
you still wasnt top 3 of the game and decided to make a video, made respect ;))
The main problem for ffa ottomans is that ur SUCH a nice guy that u like never want a war with any of ur neighbours cause all of ur power is coming from trading with neighbours. So if u are outstanding too much, they can just declare war on u and this will slow u down by a ton. Also this version of suleiman has little to no early or lategame bonuses to war so all he can do is sit in place and pray to get enomorous tech lead
Honestly, the Grand Bazaar is good enough to carry the Ottoman civilization through the late-game. The extra food and production the extra trade route capacity grants is super relevant for producing units, and the extra gold is especially potent for certain late-game units which you can't prebuild, such as Bombers and Giant Death Robots. Whereas other civs will take several turns after getting the prerequisite technologies before they can get these units in bulk, the Ottoman civ just generates so much extra gold that you can save up for a few turns and buy the units in bulk the moment you unlock them.
Also, the extra strategic resources granted by the Grand Bazaar can be very relevant in the end-game. In particular, the extra aluminum and uranium are huge, as these resources can be extremely hard to come by sometimes. I had a game once where I was fighting for 2nd place with another civ who was tied with me in techs. As I was playing Suleiman and had 2.5k gold per turn, I simply saved up gold for five turns leading into the Robotics technology and then bought 5 whole Giant Death Robots outright. Even though my opponent unlocked the tech on the same turn as me, they simply got overwhelmed and beaten back. The extra uranium provided by Grand Bazaars also meant that I never ended faced the "insufficient Uranium resource" combat penalty on the GDRs, even as I continued buying more of them each turn.
In a way, the Ottoman civilization is the late-game powerhouse that a lot of people imagine Germany to be, capable of overwhelming people with sheer productivity and gold.
@@HersonCiv I feel like this is just a bit too overpowered in CPL community where people tend to easily give up on victory if someones freesim is hyper tempo or if the winning guy is their closest neighbour. I often see the situation where people go like "Uh, guys, hes doing too well, lets just eat the weakest of us together and be grateful with our 2(e.t.c) place" instead of shaking hands to stop the king of the hill. In this situation ottomans seem good cause in earlygame everyone wants to be fed with traderoutes and in the midgame ur already not behind from ur mates. I want to say that civ has a huge period of progression between horsemen rush and GDR push where only having strategic resourses and some amount of extra gold wont solve a problem. But thats just my oppinion ofcourse
this was so much fun to watch I also want to get into civ6 multiplayer ı expect it to be more enjoyable than solo
You are great at explaining stuff. Exactly the content i need as a new player. Do you have vids on basic things like openers etc.?
Yes, you can find them on my channel. I have a playlist with guides for Civ 6 Multiplayer with the Better Balanced Game mod, which you can find here: czcams.com/play/PLUmau0-sP9xFMKZz6eMH15mrf3h-fhFCQ.html
The editing and audio quality aren't as good in the older videos as they are in my new ones (sorry), but my oldest videos cover the fundamentals, so they're a good starting point. The video on Magnus and Commercial hubs covers the "default" opening most civs use, and is the opening I used in this video.
Big thanks!@@HersonCiv
You played amaaazing
All these ffa games are crazy entertaining
Music is so good
Hi, Im huge fan of your content, but im wondering about something... I know that u are playing on BBG, but me with my friends dont really need that mode, most of us are playing "4fun", but what civ (and possibly tactic if u might) is the best without the bbg? (pls dont say hammurabi) ty in adv (not domination if possible)
Other than Hammurabi, I'd say that it's probably either Gaul or Maya. These civs have insanely strong simming bonuses which are complimented by powerful defensive combat bonuses. It's extremely hard to disrupt either of them, and it's hard to keep up with them.
Other than those two civs, it'd have to be any civ which can abuse the overpowered Work Ethic religious belief, which is much stronger in vanilla than in BBG. In BBG, it adds production to shrines and temples equal to their inherent faith generation. In unmodded Gathering Storm, it adds production to a holy site equivalent to its adjacency bonus (this benefits from the card which doubles holy site adjacency). Russia w/ Dance of the Aurora pantheon, Brazil with Sacred Path, Khmer with River Goddess, etc. can all seek to put down massive holy sites and get an enormous amount of free production from the belief. You can then translate all of the extra faith into civilian units using the Monumentality golden age dedication. In BBG, monumentality discounts faith/gold purchases of civilian units by 10%, but in the base game, it's 30%. Also, Pen, Brush & Voice is much weaker in the base game, making civs which can take advantage of monumentality even stronger in relative terms.
do you still upload full vods? I'm keen to watch the whole thing
I'll be uploading this one roughly 24 hours from now.
What would you reccon would be the most reliable Secret Society, as the owls would disable the bazar
I'm not very familiar with Secret Societies, to be honest. The settings played with in CPL (which is the multiplayer community I play in) doesn't enable secret societies, as they tend to be too unbalanced and game-warping for serious competition.
Probably sanguine. But I like to go void singers so I can faith buy land units, while not having to build many campuses as science and culture go up based on your faith output.
Finally, an Ottoman video
TURKIYE MENTIONED AUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Hey, since the grand bazaar is a unique bank, I would not want to go for owls of Minerva for my secrete society correct?
That's correct, yes. Although, multiplayer lobbies like the ones I play in always have the extra game modes like Secret Societies disabled.
@@HersonCiv perfect, thanks for the strategy, giving me the tools to take down my #1 civ rival hahaha
That great musician ban was so random. Did they do it because they thought you would win the game easily with great musicians?
first time being attacked by 2 people when going for cv? (midnight)
Can you also make a video on Cyrus?
It's on my to-do list!
Herson, why do you play Kanuni as usual? I mean Magnus and etc (after watching your latest stream)? Isn't it better to focus on gaining junissaries as fast as you can by building mostly campuses and building ~20 rebuilds? And why no oligarchy? Even with switching to republic after building house in gp?
And by the way, another Ottoman was in this game and his stats were even a little better without any conquerors, that's quite interesting.
Magnus + commercial hub spam is still the best way to open the game on Kanuni in free-for-all games. Going for a ton of campuses first in your early cities to get to Jannisaries quicker and going for Oligarchic Legacy for +4 is a popular strategy in 4v4, where you can rely on your teammates to trade you all of the gold and niter you'll need for unit upgrades and it's all worth it so long as you can kill someone on the enemy team. However, in free-for-all games, you'll simply scale way worse in the long-run with an "oligarchy legacy + campuses first" opener than a "republican legacy + commercial hubs first" opener. Furthermore, while Jannisaries are extremely cheap to upgrade units to compared to regular Musketmen, they're still not free - if you open campuses and rush for them ASAP in FFA, you will struggle to afford the upgrade costs, both in terms of gold and niter.
Here's a perfect example of how a campus opener + Jannisary rush works in a 4v4 setting, where it belongs: czcams.com/video/3w6X6rHI56k/video.html
You'll notice that he's on negative 30 gold per turn on turn 47. It's completely nonviable in FFA, you need teammates to bankroll the strategy.
@@HersonCiv well, I mean mixed opening like 2 campuses, 2 commercial hubs, camp and then campuses for ex. OK, I understand your idea, thanks.
But why don't take just oligarchy legacy card for the push? There's no problem with amenities due to unique building
@@Mr_Vikingr Germany was a relatively weak player and he missed his first golden age, so I didn't feel as though Oligarchic Legacy would be necessary to make the push succeed (and I was right).
Also, more amenities are never a bad thing when you're conquering another civ. I was on 17 cities by turn 76 in that game - it comes as no surprise that, even with republican legacy, I was still not reaching +5 amenities in every city (I was in the process of setting up zoos & aquariums to fix this when the game got scrapped).
The +1 housing in every city from republican legacy is also notably valuable. It's not as good as the +1 amenity component, but it shouldn't be overlooked.
@@HersonCiv so the conclusion is just to forget about the oligarchy in FFA? In teamers, I suppose, it is more useful?
@@Mr_Vikingr In general, yes. However, in the rare cases where the map is extremely water-heavy, such as Tilted Axis, I'd recommend going Oligarchic legacy even in FFA. Naval melee units benefit from it as well, and unlike land melee units, they're actually relevant for the entire game.
Lesson learned: pick kanuni next time and make hungary relive the battle of mohacs
this civ likes university of sankore. more science and gold per trader and 1 more trader
hey, can you cover korea in bbg ?
I'll add it to the list of civs to cover in the future!
Can you make chadgragupta highlight
I plan on doing so as soon as I can get a good game on the civ. The problem is that players can vote to ban a civ before the start of a game, and then players are assigned drafts which allow them to select from only a small number of civs. This means it can take a while to get my hands on a specific civ. I'll make a Chandragupta spotlight the first chance I get, though!
How did you get so much culture on civ without any bonus to it except % while in golden?
Monuments, several theater squares/great writers, Moksha +2
How was he 44/33 trade routes at one point?
I lost trade route capacity when Hungary attacked and conquered the Chinese cities I was in control of. However, even if your trade route capacity is reduced below the number of active trade routes you have, the trade routes don't get automatically cancelled.
why not feudal card t46 ?
If you're referring to the builder that pops out of Ankara on turn 47 having only 3 build charges, it's because I took the serfdom card out since I'd already finished making a builder in every city. You're correct that this was a mistake - I just forgot that I'd be getting a builder from ancestral hall's effect.
What about Hungary? Is it in a to do list? =)
Yeah, for sure. Hungary's definitely one of the most interesting war civs in the game, and is actually one of my most played civs overall in CPL. I simply haven't gotten many opportunities to play it since I started streaming a few months ago, so I don't have good enough footage to make a spotlight on them.
I've actually won some games on Hungary recently, such as the one featured in my video "The new meta taking over Civ 6 multiplayer", but I didn't get an opportunity to show off the power of a levy push in that game. If I do make a Hungary spotlight, it'd have to be based around a game where I make the most of their bonuses towards levying. Ideally in FFA, you push with levied muskets and black armies initially, rush for the military science technology, and then upgrade into Huszárs and levied Line Infantry to finish off your target.
@@HersonCiv dude, I respect you so much, really, you are the best on CZcams, I've waited and searched so much for anyone making such videos about BBG. Thank you!
Maybe you can write several hints / advices for Hungary? I mean the difference between traditional opening and Hungary.
I usually fight only when I get huszars, in your opinion it's too late?
@@Mr_Vikingr Sure, I can give some general Hungary advice.
First off, you generally just run a standard Magnus + Commercial Hub opener. You gain 50% extra production towards districts and buildings built across a river from the city center, so you gain a ton of extra tempo from the extra prod towards your commercial hubs and markets. You also want to make sure your government plaza is across a river from the city center, as gov plaza buildings are expensive. It'll let you finish your ancestral hall/audience chamber faster, and will let you rush out your Foreign Ministry cheaply later on.
Generally, my preferred strategy on Hungary in terms of war is to first rush for Monarchy so I can get the Foreign Ministry building for cheaper levies and +4 combat strength on levied units. Then, I project out a great general that can buff renaissance era units and push with some levied musketmen. They have +3 from Hungary bonus, +4 from foreign ministry, and +5 from a great general, and between the extra 1 movement Hungary gets on levies and the 1 movement granted by the general, they'll have 4 movement points. This allows them to steamroll unprepared players pretty quickly.
Even if the target rapidly prepares a defense, you can still probably blitz down 2-3 cities with just muskets. Then, you upgrade to Line Infantry and add in some Huszars to finish them off. The Musketman push earlier should've softened up their stats enough that they won't have any industrial era units of their own to help defend, so it should be easy.
One of the best things about Hungary is that you can push pretty much anyone on the map if they're near a city state you can levy, and the levies and upgrades are so cheap that it requires minimal investment. Even if none of your neighbors are weak, if you see someone who is struggling on the complete opposite side of the map and can reach them with a city state levy, you can go for them. If two players have been irrel warring since turn 30 and have fallen behind, no matter where they are on the map, Hungary can probably reach them with a levy to clean them up w/ Muskets or Line Infantry.
@@HersonCiv by the way, is it needed to take oligarchy legacy and then switch to republic?
@ingr I usually don't, to be honest. Republican Legacy is too good of a card to pass up, and the +4 combat strength from oligarchic legacy is rarely the difference between a push failing or succeeding.
I would say that Oligarchic Legacy is probably better in Teamers than in Free-for-all, as in teamers you're likely to be using levies to grief the enemy team repeatedly over the course of the game, instead of just using them for a single strong mid-game push. Players are also more likely to be prepared for you in teamers, so the margins of victory are often much tighter.
FFA is just teamers with extra steps :P
Note: chinese names, and words in general, dont have a "nuance" to them, and are read 1 syllable at a time in pinyin. wu zetian is pronounced "woo-zeh tien". This also goes for Yongle not being pronounced similarly to "young girl" but instead "yong(as in egg foo yong) le'(as in rizzler, but without the ending r sound)"
Thanks for the heads up! Honestly, the hardest part of being a content creator for Civ 6 is figuring out all of the pronunciations.
entire world ganging up on turks when they are at their peak?
I dunno man looks realistic to me
how on earth are you 4th? who cares about score, you were one turn from culture :(