She said that ancient aliens is discredited indigenous people but the whole time she discredits the stores that they told themselves. The indigenous people said in their own words that gods came from the sky but she can discredit then while accusing others of doing the same thing she is doing herself. Smh
Oral traditions change overtime and may even vary understanding of meaning from different generations related to their sicio-cultural needs at the time. It was not meant to be taken literally or even historically accurate in that sense.. This is a common thing in the ancient world at a time when people are trying to explain the existence of many things most of which we now understand.
It maybe the ancient civilizations just could not explain other humans that were a bit more advanced and how that ... ambiguously advanced civilization communicated. There does not really need to be help from outside of human experience to explain human devotion to causes that built monumental structures, we still build monuments all over. We have changed as time has passed, we probably will continue changing along our species exponential curve, hopefully.
The pyramids are a LOT heavier, and more complex than the colosseum. We can (and have) built "colosseum's". We cannot reproduce the great pyramid. NEVER saw or considered racism a factor in this.
we can produce the pyramids today, we literally have built a huge stadium size hotel in space called the space station and by the end of this decade will have an outpost on the moon, we have 800 metre tall skyscrapers and huge network of undersea cables that bring the world together, what makes you think that we won't be able to build a pyramid? we can, we don't because it's useless to build a massive edged cone in a desert
@@macroeconomia1987 you should be when these ancient aliens shows insinuate that mayans and Aztecs weren't intelligent enough to build tenochtitlan or chichen itza, but they never question romans building amazing structures, implying that central Americans aren't intelligent enough to build marvellous structures, but white europeans are
Maybe if Archaeologists weren't covering up so many finds that don't align with their current beliefs, people would have more faith in what they say, instead of creating this void being filled by aliens and whatnot.
This, this "Conspiracy theories" are born mainly because often "experts" and officials aren't honest enough or blatantly lie People just try to make something out of the things they know and this can result in wacky theories
Can you give us an example of hidden finds? Because experts have made wrong conclusions, yes, but just because they don't blindly believe random theories that don't entirely make sense doesn't mean they hide finds.
I’m amazed, that you would have the arrogance to call something absurd. I work in medical science, and I’m constantly surprised by what the body is doing; “absurd” recalls the catalog of 19th-century prejudices that we still are trying to dig out from under. I’m not saying aliens visited the earth, but you certainly can’t demonstrate that they didn’t.
So well said. Have been waiting for someone to say it. The fact of the matter is, nobody knows for sure! That’s it. To push one narrative as if fact isn’t right. Not on either side of the argument. To admit that we do not know is much more honest and leaves the door open to continue learning and shaping the verifiable history. Can’t believe they gave her a ted talk to just dismiss so many things while simultaneously offering ZERO evidence as to why these things should be dismissed. That’s not science, or fact, that’s opinion.
It is kind of ironic that many people (in the comments) question what the archeologist is saying in this video (and that is ok). However many of this people accept without any other evidence the fantastic claims of alien pseudo explanations. It is good to question historians and archeologists , but it is even better to question the sensasionalists claims of pseudo archeologists.
It's ok, but things like baalbek aren't simply possible with modest technology, and still isn't with current tech It is a multidisciplinar problem which points to the alien hypothesis
@@AlphaLeonidas because old people being intelligent and using that intelligence to create technology to build giant temples is somehow much less likely than aliens from different planets visited built temples and then left, get a grip man
So not many here are saying "aliens" but a lot are say the evidence does not support the claim that older civilizations we're the ones responsible for the larger stone architecture we see. Gobleki Tepe for instance give 100% evidence of an ancient man with unknown and amazing building techniques. Let's find the truth not go with the random guess because there's no immediate answer.
@@AlphaLeonidas Or advance Civilization that’s originated from Earth. Ex…. Water species from the ocean. It don’t have to be Alien. This planet millions of years old. Most likely ancient advance civilization from earth.
Without going into the pseudo-archoleogy labeling depiction. What if, an advance civilization existed on earth prior to our era (no need to be an alien civilization or from Atlantis) and a recent civilization borrowed the existing infrastructures attempting making it in its own image. Considering the complexity of some artifacts and infrastructures, this is a serious theory made by geologist, architect and engineers....not pseudo's... I just see conflincting interests arising from this, that could explain some quick labelling behavior from some archeologist....not all. Acknowledging this could be a starting point for a more intelligent prone conversation. In my opinion, we have to take in consideration the advancement of recent serious scientific findings ...and reassess our history if need be (one way or the other), but objectively.
And so there is raise a question : Who is this actual advance civilization???who is actually these people?how come this advance is happen only to these people??😁😀 Maybe Some will related the answer to religion or science, like they are actually sent by god or alien , or theyre actually embodiment of god / alien. I dunno.😁😁😁
Um theres no evidence so when there's no observational proof of said pre existing civilization archeologists will call it psuedo because the main thing about archeology is that u can literally find evidence of civilization. But there's no evidence of this so it is labeled correctly as pseudohistory psuedo science and psuedo archeology
I agree with her on some of the points. But assumptions made about the inca building PRECISION WORKS on puma punku, sacsayhuaman, machu pichu..etc and the ancient Egyptians building PRECISION engineering structures on the Great pyramid... doesn't make sense. Archeologists should clarify on those PRECISION Engineering subjects. Is there an ANCIENT part of our past we don't know about?? Because there is a big discrepancy between what the Incas and Egyptians are supposed to have built without PRECISION ENGINEERING and what MODERN ENGINEERING amazes and teaches us on how those PRECISION structures were built.
This lady is a wackadoodle. She claims "pseudo-archaeologists" make unfounded claims, yet mainstream archaeologists have made unfounded claims forever.
no, no it doesnt. It doesnt contain stones that couldnt be moved thousands of years ago either, no archeological site does. Not the pyramids, not stonhenge, no easter island, none. Because we dont build things with big stones any more, doesnt mean we couldnt if we wanted to. =
@@ericsaur9791 the pyramids weren’t built in a day, it took hundreds of years. Cleopatra lives closer to today than when the pyramids were finished. It’s not as though they just picked them up and placed them on top of each other.
Well if archaeologists can give me something better than copper chisels making granite smooth as glass... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ And also, hasn’t most of human history been carved from racism, and xenophobia? Come on now...
Something better lol? Why is so hard for you to understand that non-european build great thing without aliens? I think your eurocentric Worldview is keeping you the truth... Thats sad.
@@Exxperiment626 No, sorry if you misunderstood my comment. I'm not saying it IS aliens, I'm just saying I'm not going to automatically believe theories contemporary archaeologists say. We JUST found yet another partial skeleton in China (dragon man(sp)) and it IMMEDIATELY changes how we view our human family tree. I'm not saying it's aliens at all, I'm just saying because we don't have an exact reason doesn't mean "science's" reason is fact. Things are constantly changing. What's good about ancient alien theorists, is that it opens up peoples minds to other ideas. It gets people to think outside of the box. Everything we know and think is fact today, will NO LONGER be accurate in the future.
Everything is racism, I got lost after she mentioned racism. Obviously history is written by the winners, that’s why you should consult every single source from both sides in order to figure out what happened and even then you still might get it wrong.
@MichaelJackson the Egyptian civilization is by far the most important before the Roman Empire, it’s legacy impacted and shaped the Middle East, Northern Africa and even Asia. It’s very well documented, the Mayan civilization didn’t have this kind of impact due to it’s geographic location.
Sergio I am guessing you are from spain, let's say the church in Barcelona is being built by aliens because modern Spaniards are not intelligent at all, go ahead tell me that's not racism
Anything that challenges current dogma is called "pseudo" Especially in archeology Hittites were considered a fantasy of the bible, Troy and Micenean civ too Now it is the turn of the younger drias and civilization before 4000 bc
It’s like seeing a desd man with broken bones and calling it a car crash with no evidence of any car parts. No evidence of impact during the time. Pole shift, crust displacement is a possibility but no asteroid impact evidence, zero
I love her example for snake oil pseudoscience archeology is from establishment made "history channel" collection of crazies making wild claims on TV to discredit everyone else working on the matter.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any means, but, feel that she's misrepresenting the argument that many ancient alien enthusiasts make. Their assertion is that there lacks evidence that ancient humans had the technology and tools required to cut granite and stone with modern-day precision, acquire materials over long distances without modern day vehicles and build things that to scale are better observed in the air. They marry this line of thinking with specific written stories/accounts from ancient civilizations that speak of ancient "gods" visiting the earth and providing technology. The "fathers" of the ancient alien phenomenon were Sumerians who recorded such accounts. Archaeologists who disagree should continue to disprove such theories with evidence, but, not accuse people of xenophobia and racism unless such behavior or mindset is demonstrated. I've not personally heard an ancient alien theorist say that ancient non-white civilizations weren't capable. I've heard them question HOW they went about creating their architecture without evidence of the technology needed to make it happen. Ancient alien theorists aren't typically discussing white civilizations or comparing non-white civilizations to those that were white. Pre-dynastic middle easterners weren't white Romans. And she doesn't really get to define what constitutes "real" or "pseudo" archaeology in blanket label terms anyway. Disagreeing with something doesn't mean that it's necessarily false or harmful. I think it's an important part of the human experience to continue to question the truth that we're fed, especially when evidence of the past can yield different interpretations.
Good points. I watch the Ancient Aliens show religiously and they question every single religion and structure ever made regardless of ethnicity. The truth is there are many structures lacking data for how they were built ( see my post) and she just failed to present good data to back up her points which could be a good discussion if presented correctly with the right evidence.
No is no evidence or explanation on how they built the pyramids but the Roman coliseum construction process is understood ancient lost technology is not understood
This TED talk seems out of context for what may be an interesting topic. Ms. Kurnick brings up quite a few different broad topics such as, altering history to suit the political needs of the time, ancient alien theory, and xenophobia to just name a few, all of which jammed in to one quick talk. If her goal was to try and inform people the dangers of questioning scientific opinions, well she failed. At one point she is trying to explain why its xenophobic to question how the pyramids were built vs not questioning how The Colosseum was built by the romans. This is a very poor example because we DON'T have good evidence on how the Egyptians built The Pyramids. We don't know how they did it, why they did it and when they did it. This doesn't mean they didn't, but the current answers to those questions don't fit the model for the rest of their culture. All other Egyptian structures and monuments are documented and have their language covering every inch, The Pyramids do not. The Romans on the other hand have left complete records answering the how's whys and when's to building The colosseum. It isn't wrong to question historical discoveries lacking concrete facts. Kurnick even gives us a reason as to why we SHOULD question history because the "truth" is always being altered.
it's not just the Egyptians pyramids though, ancient aliens tv show also says aztec and mayan pyramids were built by aliens or they helped, and we do have evidence of Aztecs building pyramids without aliens help which does harm the credit that long lost civilizations get
Believing what a professor or member of the current academic system tells you is NO DIFFERENT from believing what eric von daniken or anyone tells you. Why cant people understand this.
Can she tell us what the great pyramid was actually built for?? Has she ever done tje math and counted what it would’ve taken to have actually completed the great pryamid in just 20,25 even 30 years? That would mean the Egyptians would needed to have at one block out in place every 5 mins 24 hrs a day!!
Wait, racism? Huh? I've heard a lot of alien conspiracies about stone hedge. Doesn't it has to do with from how long ago the archaeological find is and if there's information in drawing or books etc.
My conclusion is that she has never seen an episode of ancient aliens. Her religieus ignorance is beyond all boundaries. In fact her conclusion is that her shortsighted opinion is the truth while AA is just a theory searching for answers. Shame on you miss. You should be better prepared next time.
You'll have to watch. Alot of outdated ideas. No discernible knowledge of ancient megalithic structures or construction methodology.@@johncaulfield8935
@@waitwhat3547 that is not by any means evident, they didn't so much as leave any hint of how they carved out stones that weigh thousands of tonnes with impeccable precision.
@@trekkiejunk you're simply stating the obvious and completely missing the point. She has not properly looked into any of the things she is referring to as pseudo science for her to make reasonable claims about their lack of evidence
It went from talking about pseudoscience and pseudoarchaeology to politics. If she was planning on talking about other stuff it should be titled as such
@@bmoredru316 wow cheers for realising a lecture is agenda driven. Ofcourse it's going to be agenda driven when the point she is trying to make is how when white people build stuff, then the designers are intelligent like michael Angelo, but when brown people build stuff it must be aliens implying the racism
Sarah Kurnick, I will bring over a horde of logic and reason listening individuals. I appreciate you and your efforts to give the proper respects and honors my ancestors deserve, I will do my best to return the favor.
Dr. Kurnick is on point about some of what she has said, such as the idea that what we say about the past is a reflection of what we say in the present, and that racism likely figures into at least some of the Ancient Astronaut Theories that have been promoted over the years. It is absolutely crucial that peoples be able to tell their own stories, interpret their own pasts, and not rely on outside narratives to frame their ancestry--particularly when this is done by colonial or European interests which often disposses BIPOC from their own heritage. However, Dr. Kurnick did not clearly define or distinguish pseudo archaeology from legitimate science, nor did she acknowledge legitimate work being done in the present by scholars such as Dr. Sixkiller Clarke to investigate the very same peoples (e.g., the Maya) who she studies and claims of present and past contact with non-human entities. Lastly, I am not clear if she is dismissing Atlantis as a historical fact or is dismissing the idea that Atlanteans developed hieroglyphic text. If it is the former, she is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Plato was not being allegorical, metaphorical, or purely poetic when he wrote of Atlantis: it was written about as historical fact. For anyone to state otherwise is disingenuous. Overall, I would like to see/ hear more nuance in these discussions and for forums like TED to provide more room for healthy scientific debate about seemingly controversial topics.
@@shhsbdjdidjjennenennsmsms Thank you! It is of course difficult to offer a detailed discussion of any subject during these TED talks, but my impression is that TED doesn't leave much room for educating people about topics which go against mainstream scientific narratives.
@@dsbmitchell well stated. It just comes down to ppl being disingenuous like u said and wanting to be right out of pride refusing to answer question or look at things outside of the narrative.
@@flaco5471 Thanks for that comment. I am a researcher myself and also have a doctorate within the social sciences (in psychology, specifically), and find that science as a whole can be a rather hard nut to crack. What I mean is that the scientific establishment often proceeds in steps rather than in leaps and bounds (the latter being what Thomas Kuhn referred to as paradigm shifts). Paradigm shifts do occur, but they often come at great cost to individual researchers who dare to ask questions or look at evidence that goes beyond what has officially come before it in mainstream scientific practice and theory.
@@dsbmitchell I just don’t understand why science is so unscientific lol at looking and taking steps to other directions. How many times in history have ppl been mocked by the community later to be found correct. Just open the door, check it out and if there’s plausible evidence investigate and if not shut the door. I myself believe Jesus Christ (and I understand “Christians” have been horrible, the Vatican is just horrible too with cover ups with immense private library) so it’s funny cause you’d expect me to be anti science but I’m anti lies and deception and that’s all I see the world is including the dogmatic scientism that’s not looking for answers in every aspect.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So far, almost everything can be explained by our ancestors physical and mental ingenuity. Show me evidence of unequivocal alien interference and I'd love to see what comes from that, it shouldn't be ignored. But so far, there hasn't been anything as far as I know...
@@Marescio There's no evidence for either one of them, ancient aliens or 'The old egyptians did it'. We simply don't know but I feel ancient aliens have more merits due to the clear use of unknown high power machinery needed to make many of these artifacts, things we can't even make or reproduce with our modern equipment. The egyptians didn't have these either.
No, it’s not. The theory is a combination of ignoring real evidence and looking at areas we don’t fully understand and saying “had to be aliens”. It’s literally just a recreation of religious belief used to explain things like eclipses.
What makes what they say right I never understood that . If you don’t know the particulars of a ancient artifact and you come up with your explanation how are you different from someone who interprets the same artifact differently
It is a claim with ground to it, how many European successes have been attributed to alien intervention. Sure European elites and religious figures have claimed divine intervention in the past but warfare and purging your faiths rival denomination is a pretty well known human act.
Ancient Egypt, Sumerians, India, China, etc...were thousands ahead of Europe so most academia cannot teach the extraordinary works. Most white people cannot accept that brown people were thousands years were ahead of Europe, therefore Aliens did it. I have heard this nonsense since I was a teenager.
Modern humans have existed for over 200,000 years. Some would say longer.. We are arrogant to assume that we have any idea of what has happened on this planet. Our guidelines for archeology are fallible at best. If it is a system developed by man it can't be totally absolute.
Scientist agree with you, but there just isn’t any evidence that aliens built any ancient structures - just a bunch of regular Africans doing their thing.
Why is the alien and ancient pyramid theory so unbelievable though? She never actually disputed it, kinda just assumed it was. I’d like her talk much more if she actually delved into the exact reasons why these theories are wrong.
Because just the idea of aliens being here is ridiculous for many people There is the need of babysteps for people to accept the idea, even if reasonable in the right circumstances
The reason that she didn't delve into why it was unbelievable is because it is not her responsibility to do so. The onus is on those who want to establish an unconventional theory of aliens and Atlantis. Before you entertain any fantastic ideas such as aliens and Atlantis, you need to have a reason to discount the more mundane scenarios. You need to plausibly explain why humans could not have built the pyramids. And you need to do better than "Those ancient humans were just too primitive to have the ability to...".
@@zemxxi2765 lol what? 1. She is an archeologist, it's her job 2. There is literature criticizing the shaking basis of current dogma (ex: attritionless ramps lmao) And there is enough reasoning for the green man or ancient advanced civilzation 3. Civilzation before 4.000 bc is a given since Gobekli Tepe, Karan Tepe exist So the existence of an "Atlantis" is not outlandish, not like the aliens Things like baalbek thriliton and the logistic of the serapeum are extremly difficult or outright not doable today, i really doubt they had the means in the past Poligonal walls are another matter to talk about And then you have a greek and indian professors talking about advanced technology in ancient "myths" And let's not touch the ufo and clipeology argument Pretending to not see or refusing to see things is not really a good approach Hittites were thought to be an invented population from the bible, Troy was a fairytail
@@AlphaLeonidas Sorry, you're doing exactly what they always do. " I doubt that they had the means in the past..." argument. Its exactly what Von Daineken kept doing as his logical fallacy crutch: "How could these primitive people have possibly...Are we to believe that these savages could build this when we need machines for the same thing? They dont even have the wheel. So, how could they possibly....". That is when you start exploring how they might have done it the hard way. With manpower alone. What are some ways other than wheels to move heavy loads? The Medieval castles and bridges were not built by Aliens. And the Europeans who did build them knew nothing of algebra, calculus, or any of the other maths disciplines that modern engineers rely on. Is it too much to believe that Mesoamericans, Egyptians, and Africans could possibly have had similar building skills? Or possibly superior since it was Middle Easterners who invented the number system that we use along with algebra. Just try doing complex math with Roman numbers.
Why do you think ancient Americans couldn't build great structures using the tools they had? Almost all evidence we have shows they had complex lives including democracy, tax systems, hierarchy, class systems and so much more. They were so advanced.
@@ferb743 But does it matter if they were given the technical skills by someone ? We all learn from someone and it seems very strange that every continent have pyramids by chance.. I am not excluding that europeans also were given the same lectures ! She seams like someone who would hide whatever doesn't fit her political views.. History just is and people who are okay with hiding or destroying anything should not work with it... In my country the government are melting archeological findings because "racism".. History just is what it is and politics should never have anything to do with it
she is right though, when you take away credit from ancient civilizations that aren't white for their marvellous structures being built by aliens you are implying that they aren't intelligent enough to build these structures which is infact racism
Is a little boring. Plus, it doesn't explain the instances in which the fake archeologists say that is proof of alien visitations. E.g. We know all about Lord Pakal (the supposed Maya astronaut), why didn't she translated the tombstone written in ancient Maya or explained who is depicted there? After all, she is a Mayan expert.
She hates aliens we get it, unfortunately there’s tons of cultures that depict aliens thousands of years ago . Whom had no contact with each other….. soo how would they all draw the same similar pictures and writings????
Maybe it was there from of entertainment. The only thing I dont understand is the ufos in ancient are and cave carvings it's crazy how the ancients drew or painted, the same things we see today.
Also how do we know they didn't contact each other, west africans and Vikings traveled by boat to the Americas before Columbus did, and the geography of our planet was much different back then, than it is today, possibly making is easier to travel to certain lands than it is today.
I've only studied under "Traditional Anthropologists" so to hear you sling labels like pseudo-archaeology to describe people with theories you don't agree with is alarmingly not objective. Then the racism labels really alarmed me. The show Ancient Aliens discusses alien influence on all races and creeds. Just looking at their list of titles they have several that discuss Nordic gods and Christian too. There's an episode about Cowboys and Aliens as well as many other ridiculous titles. I can't say I agree with any of it but I'm not going to count any of it out over your objections. You should try starting out on a more even and accepting tone. Acknowledge some obvious holes in our science and mention a few of the more unexplained mysteries before you move on to this "We've got it all figured out. No need to ponder outside the lines" attitude. It's yuck and it makes science seem yuck. Don't be yuck. Objectivity is rule NUMBER ONE. And how you see a tree in that is beyond me. Spaceship or not, there is no stylized tree on that lid. There are no leaf designs (common in Mayan, stylized, tree imagery). You did get the sky band correct. You should have seen it before they locked it down. Get a high resolution image of that lid and you'll see there is no tree.
How come we mainly see white European historians and archaeologists talking about the effects of pseudoscience and not from the people whose cultures are being impacted by it?
Problem is archeologists don't do enough to explain origins. I have never even heard them say I don't know where we came from. It's like they're not even trying. If all the answers are coming from psuedoarcheology then guess who's gonna have the most followers? people wanna know things!!
Not everything in the world can be easily explained. There will always be certain caveats that will prevent a complete understanding of our study. That is why it is important that we stay as grounded as possible with the facts we are given. There’s nothing wrong with not entirely knowing something.
Then who is god....??? Most of ancient culture says about god....can you prove it....ancient Egyptian,Mayan,Hindus,.......they all have gods...can you prove it....??.....maybe gods are real...but they are not humans right??? "Ancient astronauts theory"
Aliens building a stone henge is quite a popular theory so I dont understand her point as that's an english structure. Feels like she's picking and choosing whatever supports her point.
True that aliens have been tied to Stonehenge by some, but the vast majority of sites/places that the Ancient Aliens theorists seem to focus on are/were inhabited by people of color. In fact, I think Stonehenge may literally be the only exception to that rule. And the majority of the proponents of these theories seem to be white men (at least those that are in the public eye the most).
Seems like people taking the Greatest Accomplishment and realizing they had help. Any European culture can build a Roman Colliseum but Pyramids is a Different Subject
Great talk by Sarah Kurnick ! informative and thought provoking, Really enjoyed hearing assistant Professor Kurnick talking about our shared human past. What if the records we have of advancements in human ability and knowledge are ... not fully complete now? We had "lost" the buildings of the Great Lighthouse of Alexandria un Egypt. It has been found and researched where it currently under water in today's Alexandria Harbour. There could also be more done with what we do know of the exceptionally ancient sites at places like Gobekly Tepi in Turkey and the ancient layers of Jericho, or Aleppo in Syria ( now mostly destroyed ). There can be the case that the transfer of information of civilization to another had some other more ... intense or "mystical" property to our ancestors we do not currently understand. We are constantly "decoding" the past, who knows what we will discover or gain a deeper understanding of from research in these fields of study? ☺
To be honest, ancient alien or ancient lost civilisation with technology beyond our understanding… is not that absurd… those who believe in that theory is not downplaying our ancestors, but uplifting them… to think that ancestors are just people using simple tools to create all this wonders are downplaying their capabilities
Your explanation makes no sense. Humans doing it without assistance, is more amazing than if aliens helped. If you fixed your car without help from a mechanic, I would be more impressed than if you took it to a mechanic who showed you what to do.
There will be controvery as long as academic archaeologists continue to insist that copper chisels and dolorite pounding balls built the megalithic structures we find in Egypt, South America, China and India. The refusal to deny all evidence that dynastic Egyptians and others inherited the massive stone structures we find today, and like the Romans, built on top of megalithic foundations built by a precedent cuture using techniques that are now lost leads to fancy. So ridiculous is it to suggest that copper drag saws and copper chisels built the polygonal 100-ton blocks that fit on 8 or more facets so tightly to their neighbouring blocks that paper cannot be inseted between them, that to some, an alien invasion is more probable. To stop people latching on to Ancient Alien theories, academic archaeologists need to come up with more credible explantions about how the megalithic structures were hewn, dressed, moved and placed where we find them.
Show me one Egyptian text, instructional manual or set of hieroglyphs that provide a description of how the pyramids were built and I’ll buy you a house.
Knowing things can actually be an incredible burden. That’s my takeaway from conspiracy theorists. Discomforting, mundane, complex, cold, deterministic, etc.. Elements that often exist within factual historical retrospectives on ourselves and the world around us. That all represents a sizable load to carry for the typical mind. Especially when unburdening ourselves from whatever truth actually presents itself means that the “truth” can be imagined as whichever account we find most suiting to us individually. It is no wonder we often collectively settle on outlandish and fantastical stories, all sort of noting our minute existence in the Universe, yet all somehow bestowing some kind of importance or “specialness” upon us as well. It’s always ever optimistic that we are indeed chosen.. By god, by visiting Aliens, by the designers of the Matrix, etc… Knowing things can be an incredible burden. Whereas imagining things is the gift that keeps on giving to a limited and anxious mind. Mulder said it best. He “wants to believe”.
The reason we don’t question how the Greeks built temples and Roman’s built the colosseum is because they left written plans and everything else lined up. The pyramids though?? Nobody actually knows how they managed that. Archeologists don’t have a real explanation. And the pyramids were built thousands of years before those other things. Also the structures by the Roman’s and Greeks aren’t especially impressive. The biggest pyramid was 32 stories tall!
No it isn’t. The show’s intent is to convince people that aliens helped our civilization along, and that all the governments and scientists of the world have been covering it up.
I’m here from today’s episode of TTD on Spotify...I wanted to keep listening but her voice sounds like she’s on the edge of crying. Maybe next time with a different narrator?
Well either we had help building everyrhing or we used to be super advanced then got wiped out and had to restart. Its 1 or the other that's for sure, to much evidence to be anything else. How did we soften and mold stone if we wernt more advanced and that's just small scale stuff, and we cant even do it today there is no way to soften or mold stone or cut and fold it like clay yet we did in the past.
She is a very depressed women. Anyone who reads an original Torah can match the multi figured headed angels descending from the skies in rings of fire with the Egyptian Gods. I mean. It doesn't take a genius to understand that a majority of cultures historically claimed to receive help from the skies.
But she's right. Westerns would rather believe that aliens helped out in the acient world, then to accept that fact that non-europeans have created something, Westerns still cant understand till this day. Look Up the word: eurocentric and understand where its all coming from.
@@Exxperiment626 it's not that the problem The problem is that things like baalbek, the pyramid core structure and the serapeum aren't really possible with modest technology We can't even replicate them today! Yes there is some sort of eurocentrism, but ancient aliens isn't about this
i think people should be able to talk about what they belive in and dont and weather its real or not doesnt matter, because your not hurting anyone i say grow up and open your mind more because definately are not the only ones and to make a globe think this is so god dam cruel
Acheology is little more than guess work at best . And some of the most narrow minded people are academics ..They are as closed minded as any religious zealot .
Terrific lecture. BUT!! How did 400 and 800 ton worked stone blocks get lifted 20' high in Baalbek and who was going to move 2 stones of 1000 and 1200 tons in the same area? Do I understand prof. Kurnick to say that her Maya neighbour managed to drag that 7 ton carving across the road to show it to her? Or was it a smaller copy? After all the original is still supposed to be in Palenque!
@@waitwhat3547 a ramp? On both sides of every upright pillar? After all, have a ramp on one side only, and you would pull the upright down as fast as you could pull the other block up. And of course half the ramp with it! DID IT TAKE YOU ALL OF 5 MONTHS TO DREAM UP THAT FANTASY?
There was a time where Quantum Physics was pseudo science.
Lol there was a time science itself was heresy
@@Itsamugsgam3 Yes but there was no pseudo science without science itself. Off course we all know about religion before.
Hittites, miceneans and troy were fantasy too
I remember when Troy was a fake place.
She said that ancient aliens is discredited indigenous people but the whole time she discredits the stores that they told themselves. The indigenous people said in their own words that gods came from the sky but she can discredit then while accusing others of doing the same thing she is doing herself. Smh
Oral traditions change overtime and may even vary understanding of meaning from different generations related to their sicio-cultural needs at the time. It was not meant to be taken literally or even historically accurate in that sense.. This is a common thing in the ancient world at a time when people are trying to explain the existence of many things most of which we now understand.
It maybe the ancient civilizations just could not explain other humans that were a bit more advanced and how that ... ambiguously advanced civilization communicated. There does not really need to be help from outside of human experience to explain human devotion to causes that built monumental structures, we still build monuments all over. We have changed as time has passed, we probably will continue changing along our species exponential curve, hopefully.
That's right
Are you mad karen
The pyramids are a LOT heavier, and more complex than the colosseum.
We can (and have) built "colosseum's". We cannot reproduce the great pyramid.
NEVER saw or considered racism a factor in this.
I wonder if we could replicate the serapeum
I seriously doubt it lol
eactly.well said
we can produce the pyramids today, we literally have built a huge stadium size hotel in space called the space station and by the end of this decade will have an outpost on the moon, we have 800 metre tall skyscrapers and huge network of undersea cables that bring the world together, what makes you think that we won't be able to build a pyramid?
we can, we don't because it's useless to build a massive edged cone in a desert
It was a good start and then it drifted in a strange direction.
That's exactly what I thought 😅💩
When did it drift?
No it didn’t. The whole talk was about how marginalized groups are often thought of as “third world” people without any history of exceptionalism.
Wow I am mexican i didnt even imagined that i am supposed to be offended by these documentaries
@@macroeconomia1987 you should be when these ancient aliens shows insinuate that mayans and Aztecs weren't intelligent enough to build tenochtitlan or chichen itza, but they never question romans building amazing structures, implying that central Americans aren't intelligent enough to build marvellous structures, but white europeans are
Maybe if Archaeologists weren't covering up so many finds that don't align with their current beliefs, people would have more faith in what they say, instead of creating this void being filled by aliens and whatnot.
This, this
"Conspiracy theories" are born mainly because often "experts" and officials aren't honest enough or blatantly lie
People just try to make something out of the things they know and this can result in wacky theories
@@AlphaLeonidas agree 100%
Did y’all even watch this???
@@moth1ne yes
Can you give us an example of hidden finds? Because experts have made wrong conclusions, yes, but just because they don't blindly believe random theories that don't entirely make sense doesn't mean they hide finds.
A small voice in a crazy world. Thank you for sounding the alarm. Some are even listening, and a few are acting.
I’m amazed, that you would have the arrogance to call something absurd. I work in medical science, and I’m constantly surprised by what the body is doing; “absurd” recalls the catalog of 19th-century prejudices that we still are trying to dig out from under. I’m not saying aliens visited the earth, but you certainly can’t demonstrate that they didn’t.
So well said. Have been waiting for someone to say it. The fact of the matter is, nobody knows for sure! That’s it. To push one narrative as if fact isn’t right. Not on either side of the argument. To admit that we do not know is much more honest and leaves the door open to continue learning and shaping the verifiable history. Can’t believe they gave her a ted talk to just dismiss so many things while simultaneously offering ZERO evidence as to why these things should be dismissed. That’s not science, or fact, that’s opinion.
Actually a lot of Greeks and Roman's got their ideas and education from Egyptian Civilizations. Therefore even they needed help.
Doesn’t mean aliens helped them out
@@johncaulfield8935 okay look aliens are just excuses they can't accept the fact that POC would create something so great
@@johncaulfield8935 the west would be nothing with the east the difference is that the west are so narcissistic about it and saying aliens built it
@@esthertodd6562 That’s what I’m saying
@@esthertodd6562 I agree
It is kind of ironic that many people (in the comments) question what the archeologist is saying in this video (and that is ok). However many of this people accept without any other evidence the fantastic claims of alien pseudo explanations. It is good to question historians and archeologists , but it is even better to question the sensasionalists claims of pseudo archeologists.
It's ok, but things like baalbek aren't simply possible with modest technology, and still isn't with current tech
It is a multidisciplinar problem which points to the alien hypothesis
@@AlphaLeonidas because old people being intelligent and using that intelligence to create technology to build giant temples is somehow much less likely than aliens from different planets visited built temples and then left, get a grip man
So not many here are saying "aliens" but a lot are say the evidence does not support the claim that older civilizations we're the ones responsible for the larger stone architecture we see. Gobleki Tepe for instance give 100% evidence of an ancient man with unknown and amazing building techniques. Let's find the truth not go with the random guess because there's no immediate answer.
@@AlphaLeonidas Or advance Civilization that’s originated from Earth. Ex…. Water species from the ocean. It don’t have to be Alien. This planet millions of years old. Most likely ancient advance civilization from earth.
Father Crespi Collection is solid evidence
Rather than making this a political debate you could try to prove your point with actual evidence.
Without going into the pseudo-archoleogy labeling depiction. What if, an advance civilization existed on earth prior to our era (no need to be an alien civilization or from Atlantis) and a recent civilization borrowed the existing infrastructures attempting making it in its own image. Considering the complexity of some artifacts and infrastructures, this is a serious theory made by geologist, architect and engineers....not pseudo's... I just see conflincting interests arising from this, that could explain some quick labelling behavior from some archeologist....not all. Acknowledging this could be a starting point for a more intelligent prone conversation. In my opinion, we have to take in consideration the advancement of recent serious scientific findings
...and reassess our history if need be (one way or the other), but objectively.
And so there is raise a question : Who is this actual advance civilization???who is actually these people?how come this advance is happen only to these people??😁😀
Maybe Some will related the answer to religion or science, like they are actually sent by god or alien , or theyre actually embodiment of god / alien. I dunno.😁😁😁
Break away civilizations.
Um theres no evidence so when there's no observational proof of said pre existing civilization archeologists will call it psuedo because the main thing about archeology is that u can literally find evidence of civilization. But there's no evidence of this so it is labeled correctly as pseudohistory psuedo science and psuedo archeology
@@wolfshield2499 All the God's of an in lower creation are "Aliens" (Extraterrestrials).
I prefer to a acknowledge my ancestors legacy in this world.
I agree with her on some of the points. But assumptions made about the inca building PRECISION WORKS on puma punku, sacsayhuaman, machu pichu..etc and the ancient Egyptians building PRECISION engineering structures on the Great pyramid... doesn't make sense. Archeologists should clarify on those PRECISION Engineering subjects. Is there an ANCIENT part of our past we don't know about?? Because there is a big discrepancy between what the Incas and Egyptians are supposed to have built without PRECISION ENGINEERING and what MODERN ENGINEERING amazes and teaches us on how those PRECISION structures were built.
This lady is a wackadoodle. She claims "pseudo-archaeologists" make unfounded claims, yet mainstream archaeologists have made unfounded claims forever.
Baalbek and the serapeum too, those aren't even replicable today
The state of "higher" education. Sad.
Does the Colosseum contain stones weighing more than what we are able to move today? That's why.
no, no it doesnt. It doesnt contain stones that couldnt be moved thousands of years ago either, no archeological site does. Not the pyramids, not stonhenge, no easter island, none. Because we dont build things with big stones any more, doesnt mean we couldnt if we wanted to.
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@@vancouverguy2533thanks. I hear you. I disagree though. When I learn more I'll respond again.
@@ericsaur9791 the pyramids weren’t built in a day, it took hundreds of years. Cleopatra lives closer to today than when the pyramids were finished. It’s not as though they just picked them up and placed them on top of each other.
@@lilhollow1543 scientists agree that it was done in twenty years. Explain.
not to mention the colosseum is falling apart. maybe they should've got some aliens to help
She literally made not one point. So incomplete and leaves you going in 100 different ditections.
Pseudo archeology is equivalent to conspiracy theories.
And some of them are true... : /
Soo mostly true mixed with some misinformation ?
@@SvensktTroll misinformation and suppressed information from gov
Well if archaeologists can give me something better than copper chisels making granite smooth as glass... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
And also, hasn’t most of human history been carved from racism, and xenophobia? Come on now...
To your comment: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and 🤪🤪🤪. Total Non sequitur.
Something better lol?
Why is so hard for you to understand that non-european build great thing without aliens?
I think your eurocentric Worldview is keeping you the truth... Thats sad.
@@Exxperiment626 No, sorry if you misunderstood my comment. I'm not saying it IS aliens, I'm just saying I'm not going to automatically believe theories contemporary archaeologists say.
We JUST found yet another partial skeleton in China (dragon man(sp)) and it IMMEDIATELY changes how we view our human family tree.
I'm not saying it's aliens at all, I'm just saying because we don't have an exact reason doesn't mean "science's" reason is fact.
Things are constantly changing.
What's good about ancient alien theorists, is that it opens up peoples minds to other ideas. It gets people to think outside of the box.
Everything we know and think is fact today, will NO LONGER be accurate in the future.
Get a grip lady 🙄
Everything is racism, I got lost after she mentioned racism. Obviously history is written by the winners, that’s why you should consult every single source from both sides in order to figure out what happened and even then you still might get it wrong.
@MichaelJackson the Egyptian civilization is by far the most important before the Roman Empire, it’s legacy impacted and shaped the Middle East, Northern Africa and even Asia. It’s very well documented, the Mayan civilization didn’t have this kind of impact due to it’s geographic location.
@@sergiomiranda1497 Not influencing the Eastern Hemisphere doesn't discount the fact the Mayans influenced there Western Hemisphere.
@MichaelJackson I look in comment sections all over the internet, you might be the stupidest person I've ever seen type.
Sergio I am guessing you are from spain, let's say the church in Barcelona is being built by aliens because modern Spaniards are not intelligent at all, go ahead tell me that's not racism
the younger dryas cosmic impact theory really needs to stop being called pseudo
Anything that challenges current dogma is called "pseudo"
Especially in archeology
Hittites were considered a fantasy of the bible, Troy and Micenean civ too
Now it is the turn of the younger drias and civilization before 4000 bc
@@AlphaLeonidas Agreed!
It’s like seeing a desd man with broken bones and calling it a car crash with no evidence of any car parts. No evidence of impact during the time. Pole shift, crust displacement is a possibility but no asteroid impact evidence, zero
I love her example for snake oil pseudoscience archeology is from establishment made "history channel" collection of crazies making wild claims on TV to discredit everyone else working on the matter.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any means, but, feel that she's misrepresenting the argument that many ancient alien enthusiasts make. Their assertion is that there lacks evidence that ancient humans had the technology and tools required to cut granite and stone with modern-day precision, acquire materials over long distances without modern day vehicles and build things that to scale are better observed in the air. They marry this line of thinking with specific written stories/accounts from ancient civilizations that speak of ancient "gods" visiting the earth and providing technology. The "fathers" of the ancient alien phenomenon were Sumerians who recorded such accounts. Archaeologists who disagree should continue to disprove such theories with evidence, but, not accuse people of xenophobia and racism unless such behavior or mindset is demonstrated. I've not personally heard an ancient alien theorist say that ancient non-white civilizations weren't capable. I've heard them question HOW they went about creating their architecture without evidence of the technology needed to make it happen. Ancient alien theorists aren't typically discussing white civilizations or comparing non-white civilizations to those that were white. Pre-dynastic middle easterners weren't white Romans. And she doesn't really get to define what constitutes "real" or "pseudo" archaeology in blanket label terms anyway. Disagreeing with something doesn't mean that it's necessarily false or harmful. I think it's an important part of the human experience to continue to question the truth that we're fed, especially when evidence of the past can yield different interpretations.
Absolutely ✋
Good points. I watch the Ancient Aliens show religiously and they question every single religion and structure ever made regardless of ethnicity. The truth is there are many structures lacking data for how they were built ( see my post) and she just failed to present good data to back up her points which could be a good discussion if presented correctly with the right evidence.
@@Sean-ho3wd I concur.
Any assertion that "ancient aliens" built these structures is insane & not worth real archeologist time.
No is no evidence or explanation on how they built the pyramids but the Roman coliseum construction process is understood ancient lost technology is not understood
This TED talk seems out of context for what may be an interesting topic. Ms. Kurnick brings up quite a few different broad topics such as, altering history to suit the political needs of the time, ancient alien theory, and xenophobia to just name a few, all of which jammed in to one quick talk. If her goal was to try and inform people the dangers of questioning scientific opinions, well she failed. At one point she is trying to explain why its xenophobic to question how the pyramids were built vs not questioning how The Colosseum was built by the romans. This is a very poor example because we DON'T have good evidence on how the Egyptians built The Pyramids. We don't know how they did it, why they did it and when they did it. This doesn't mean they didn't, but the current answers to those questions don't fit the model for the rest of their culture. All other Egyptian structures and monuments are documented and have their language covering every inch, The Pyramids do not. The Romans on the other hand have left complete records answering the how's whys and when's to building The colosseum. It isn't wrong to question historical discoveries lacking concrete facts. Kurnick even gives us a reason as to why we SHOULD question history because the "truth" is always being altered.
it's not just the Egyptians pyramids though, ancient aliens tv show also says aztec and mayan pyramids were built by aliens or they helped, and we do have evidence of Aztecs building pyramids without aliens help which does harm the credit that long lost civilizations get
Believing what a professor or member of the current academic system tells you is NO DIFFERENT from believing what eric von daniken or anyone tells you. Why cant people understand this.
Can she tell us what the great pyramid was actually built for?? Has she ever done tje math and counted what it would’ve taken to have actually completed the great pryamid in just 20,25 even 30 years? That would mean the Egyptians would needed to have at one block out in place every 5 mins 24 hrs a day!!
They were built to entomb the pharoahs
Wait, racism? Huh? I've heard a lot of alien conspiracies about stone hedge. Doesn't it has to do with from how long ago the archaeological find is and if there's information in drawing or books etc.
Yes, also common sense
Things like balbeek trilithon and the serapeum aren't possible with modest technology
Also poligonal walls
Celts and irish were considered subhuman not long ago
You’d rather believe aliens did it vs the ingenuity of humans?
@@TheZachary86 did you watch the video? It was a comment about that
My conclusion is that she has never seen an episode of ancient aliens. Her religieus ignorance is beyond all boundaries. In fact her conclusion is that her shortsighted opinion is the truth while AA is just a theory searching for answers. Shame on you miss. You should be better prepared next time.
Because she's an academic shill.
Your "conclusion" = fact. Her "conclusion" = "shortsighted opinion"... Hmmm... that's interesting.
@@KrazyVideoChick Exactly what's funny about the post. Lol.
Said nothing
BEFORE YOU WATCH: This is incredibly pointless..
How so?
You'll have to watch. Alot of outdated ideas. No discernible knowledge of ancient megalithic structures or construction methodology.@@johncaulfield8935
You cannot label anything that doesn't agree with mainstream academia as 'pseudo'. At least not honestly.
unless it is, like people assuming aliens built aliens when it's quiet evident that Egyptians built it
@@waitwhat3547 that is not by any means evident, they didn't so much as leave any hint of how they carved out stones that weigh thousands of tonnes with impeccable precision.
You CAN label it pseudo if there is no evidence to support it. By definition, that’s what pseudoscience is.
@@trekkiejunk you're simply stating the obvious and completely missing the point. She has not properly looked into any of the things she is referring to as pseudo science for her to make reasonable claims about their lack of evidence
It went from talking about pseudoscience and pseudoarchaeology to politics. If she was planning on talking about other stuff it should be titled as such
Because it is all intertwined. History was written by the political leaders of the day not the losers or the forgotten.
Exactly !! This ended up being Agenda Driven
@@bmoredru316 wow cheers for realising a lecture is agenda driven. Ofcourse it's going to be agenda driven when the point she is trying to make is how when white people build stuff, then the designers are intelligent like michael Angelo, but when brown people build stuff it must be aliens implying the racism
@@waitwhat3547 How many N.O.I. Marathons have you Ran ?? Find somebody else to try and impress.
Sarah Kurnick, I will bring over a horde of logic and reason listening individuals. I appreciate you and your efforts to give the proper respects and honors my ancestors deserve, I will do my best to return the favor.
@Trade Bum Simmons ya lol, idk what Enrique is talking about
Hey she should just be a narrator voice shell always have work.
Great voice
Someone show her the footage..
What footage?
Dr. Kurnick is on point about some of what she has said, such as the idea that what we say about the past is a reflection of what we say in the present, and that racism likely figures into at least some of the Ancient Astronaut Theories that have been promoted over the years. It is absolutely crucial that peoples be able to tell their own stories, interpret their own pasts, and not rely on outside narratives to frame their ancestry--particularly when this is done by colonial or European interests which often disposses BIPOC from their own heritage.
However, Dr. Kurnick did not clearly define or distinguish pseudo archaeology from legitimate science, nor did she acknowledge legitimate work being done in the present by scholars such as Dr. Sixkiller Clarke to investigate the very same peoples (e.g., the Maya) who she studies and claims of present and past contact with non-human entities.
Lastly, I am not clear if she is dismissing Atlantis as a historical fact or is dismissing the idea that Atlanteans developed hieroglyphic text. If it is the former, she is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Plato was not being allegorical, metaphorical, or purely poetic when he wrote of Atlantis: it was written about as historical fact. For anyone to state otherwise is disingenuous.
Overall, I would like to see/ hear more nuance in these discussions and for forums like TED to provide more room for healthy scientific debate about seemingly controversial topics.
Love it
@@shhsbdjdidjjennenennsmsms Thank you! It is of course difficult to offer a detailed discussion of any subject during these TED talks, but my impression is that TED doesn't leave much room for educating people about topics which go against mainstream scientific narratives.
@@dsbmitchell well stated. It just comes down to ppl being disingenuous like u said and wanting to be right out of pride refusing to answer question or look at things outside of the narrative.
@@flaco5471 Thanks for that comment. I am a researcher myself and also have a doctorate within the social sciences (in psychology, specifically), and find that science as a whole can be a rather hard nut to crack. What I mean is that the scientific establishment often proceeds in steps rather than in leaps and bounds (the latter being what Thomas Kuhn referred to as paradigm shifts). Paradigm shifts do occur, but they often come at great cost to individual researchers who dare to ask questions or look at evidence that goes beyond what has officially come before it in mainstream scientific practice and theory.
@@dsbmitchell I just don’t understand why science is so unscientific lol at looking and taking steps to other directions. How many times in history have ppl been mocked by the community later to be found correct. Just open the door, check it out and if there’s plausible evidence investigate and if not shut the door. I myself believe Jesus Christ (and I understand “Christians” have been horrible, the Vatican is just horrible too with cover ups with immense private library) so it’s funny cause you’d expect me to be anti science but I’m anti lies and deception and that’s all I see the world is including the dogmatic scientism that’s not looking for answers in every aspect.
I think it's pseudo science to just shake off ancient aliens just because it's tabu to talk about aliens..
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So far, almost everything can be explained by our ancestors physical and mental ingenuity. Show me evidence of unequivocal alien interference and I'd love to see what comes from that, it shouldn't be ignored. But so far, there hasn't been anything as far as I know...
Truth
@@Marescio There's no evidence for either one of them, ancient aliens or 'The old egyptians did it'. We simply don't know but I feel ancient aliens have more merits due to the clear use of unknown high power machinery needed to make many of these artifacts, things we can't even make or reproduce with our modern equipment. The egyptians didn't have these either.
@@Marescio the trilithon is an extraordinary evidence in itself
If that thing isn't doable today, how could in the past?
No, it’s not. The theory is a combination of ignoring real evidence and looking at areas we don’t fully understand and saying “had to be aliens”. It’s literally just a recreation of religious belief used to explain things like eclipses.
She’s literally a archaeologist.
She’s literally a archaeologist.
She is literally - an Assistant Professor of *Anthropology* •
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@@clavicusvile7132 a*
CZcams must delete this video
What makes what they say right I never understood that . If you don’t know the particulars of a ancient artifact and you come up with your explanation how are you different from someone who interprets the same artifact differently
She lost me at racisim
Get some help lady
My thoughts exactly.. Had to stop watching half way in
It is a claim with ground to it, how many European successes have been attributed to alien intervention. Sure European elites and religious figures have claimed divine intervention in the past but warfare and purging your faiths rival denomination is a pretty well known human act.
@@meteorstorm415 Notice how he not going to answer you? He knows you have a point.
Ancient Egypt, Sumerians, India, China, etc...were thousands ahead of Europe so most academia cannot teach the extraordinary works. Most white people cannot accept that brown people were thousands years were ahead of Europe, therefore Aliens did it. I have heard this nonsense since I was a teenager.
@@Exxperiment626 exactly lol.
Modern humans have existed for over 200,000 years. Some would say longer.. We are arrogant to assume that we have any idea of what has happened on this planet. Our guidelines for archeology are fallible at best. If it is a system developed by man it can't be totally absolute.
Scientist agree with you, but there just isn’t any evidence that aliens built any ancient structures - just a bunch of regular Africans doing their thing.
Are you an archeologist?
Hmm the title asks a great question we should be posing to the mainstream.
I don't think indigenous people feel discriminated, they feel descendants from the Gods.
There are quite many tribes who refer to the "star people" as their ancestors if i remember correctly
@@AlphaLeonidas They weren’t talking about aliens. Just celestial objects being anthropomorphized. You don’t think ancient people had imagination?
@@johncaulfield8935 nice meme
@@AlphaLeonidas I wasn’t making a meme
Why is the alien and ancient pyramid theory so unbelievable though? She never actually disputed it, kinda just assumed it was. I’d like her talk much more if she actually delved into the exact reasons why these theories are wrong.
Because just the idea of aliens being here is ridiculous for many people
There is the need of babysteps for people to accept the idea, even if reasonable in the right circumstances
@@AlphaLeonidas Not true at all.
The reason that she didn't delve into why it was unbelievable is because it is not her responsibility to do so. The onus is on those who want to establish an unconventional theory of aliens and Atlantis. Before you entertain any fantastic ideas such as aliens and Atlantis, you need to have a reason to discount the more mundane scenarios. You need to plausibly explain why humans could not have built the pyramids. And you need to do better than "Those ancient humans were just too primitive to have the ability to...".
@@zemxxi2765 lol what?
1. She is an archeologist, it's her job
2. There is literature criticizing the shaking basis of current dogma (ex: attritionless ramps lmao)
And there is enough reasoning for the green man or ancient advanced civilzation
3. Civilzation before 4.000 bc is a given since Gobekli Tepe, Karan Tepe exist
So the existence of an "Atlantis" is not outlandish, not like the aliens
Things like baalbek thriliton and the logistic of the serapeum are extremly difficult or outright not doable today, i really doubt they had the means in the past
Poligonal walls are another matter to talk about
And then you have a greek and indian professors talking about advanced technology in ancient "myths"
And let's not touch the ufo and clipeology argument
Pretending to not see or refusing to see things is not really a good approach
Hittites were thought to be an invented population from the bible, Troy was a fairytail
@@AlphaLeonidas Sorry, you're doing exactly what they always do. " I doubt that they had the means in the past..." argument. Its exactly what Von Daineken kept doing as his logical fallacy crutch: "How could these primitive people have possibly...Are we to believe that these savages could build this when we need machines for the same thing? They dont even have the wheel. So, how could they possibly....". That is when you start exploring how they might have done it the hard way. With manpower alone. What are some ways other than wheels to move heavy loads? The Medieval castles and bridges were not built by Aliens. And the Europeans who did build them knew nothing of algebra, calculus, or any of the other maths disciplines that modern engineers rely on. Is it too much to believe that Mesoamericans, Egyptians, and Africans could possibly have had similar building skills? Or possibly superior since it was Middle Easterners who invented the number system that we use along with algebra. Just try doing complex math with Roman numbers.
You can see by likes that people don’t agree with her. She should study 📚 engendering
she sounds like a person that needs its safe space to shield her from others differing opinions
Why is she talking as if she knows what happened back then? Like I understand what she is getting at, but she could be a 100% wrong herself.
Nope, you are the one surely unsure.
Why do you think ancient Americans couldn't build great structures using the tools they had? Almost all evidence we have shows they had complex lives including democracy, tax systems, hierarchy, class systems and so much more. They were so advanced.
@@ferb743 But does it matter if they were given the technical skills by someone ? We all learn from someone and it seems very strange that every continent have pyramids by chance.. I am not excluding that europeans also were given the same lectures ! She seams like someone who would hide whatever doesn't fit her political views.. History just is and people who are okay with hiding or destroying anything should not work with it... In my country the government are melting archeological findings because "racism".. History just is what it is and politics should never have anything to do with it
“Ancient Americans”?!???
@@jesserunkle sorry. Indians
Woah this needs to be known by most of people
The moment everything goes into racism.. im out :)
hahaha
she is right though, when you take away credit from ancient civilizations that aren't white for their marvellous structures being built by aliens you are implying that they aren't intelligent enough to build these structures which is infact racism
Is a little boring. Plus, it doesn't explain the instances in which the fake archeologists say that is proof of alien visitations. E.g. We know all about Lord Pakal (the supposed Maya astronaut), why didn't she translated the tombstone written in ancient Maya or explained who is depicted there? After all, she is a Mayan expert.
Who's going to tell her.
Tell her that she is brainwashed by lies and professionalism ?
Cope
Offensive? Oh c'mon you can't be serious! We have enough historical precedence for coverups to know when someone's trying to pull our chain.
She hates aliens we get it, unfortunately there’s tons of cultures that depict aliens thousands of years ago . Whom had no contact with each other….. soo how would they all draw the same similar pictures and writings????
Maybe it was there from of entertainment. The only thing I dont understand is the ufos in ancient are and cave carvings it's crazy how the ancients drew or painted, the same things we see today.
Also how do we know they didn't contact each other, west africans and Vikings traveled by boat to the Americas before Columbus did, and the geography of our planet was much different back then, than it is today, possibly making is easier to travel to certain lands than it is today.
@@hyson727 there is some evidence that the ancient world was more cosmopolitan than we think
I've only studied under "Traditional Anthropologists" so to hear you sling labels like pseudo-archaeology to describe people with theories you don't agree with is alarmingly not objective. Then the racism labels really alarmed me. The show Ancient Aliens discusses alien influence on all races and creeds. Just looking at their list of titles they have several that discuss Nordic gods and Christian too. There's an episode about Cowboys and Aliens as well as many other ridiculous titles. I can't say I agree with any of it but I'm not going to count any of it out over your objections. You should try starting out on a more even and accepting tone. Acknowledge some obvious holes in our science and mention a few of the more unexplained mysteries before you move on to this "We've got it all figured out. No need to ponder outside the lines" attitude. It's yuck and it makes science seem yuck. Don't be yuck. Objectivity is rule NUMBER ONE. And how you see a tree in that is beyond me. Spaceship or not, there is no stylized tree on that lid. There are no leaf designs (common in Mayan, stylized, tree imagery). You did get the sky band correct. You should have seen it before they locked it down. Get a high resolution image of that lid and you'll see there is no tree.
Can’t even watch this
How come we mainly see white European historians and archaeologists talking about the effects of pseudoscience and not from the people whose cultures are being impacted by it?
2:40 Because those things aren't nearly as impressive as the pyramids.
colloseum is literally an ancient stadium how is that not impressive?
come on Miss Kurnick. Seriously...those who chose to look further and questioning the old school mainstream teachings have nothing to do with
She should broaden her mind and open her eyes. She's the type to believe anything people tell her she's probably a Democrat too.
If she did then she would already be an ancient astronaut theorist
Problem is archeologists don't do enough to explain origins. I have never even heard them say I don't know where we came from. It's like they're not even trying. If all the answers are coming from psuedoarcheology then guess who's gonna have the most followers? people wanna know things!!
You sound like you would enjoy the work of Zecharia Sitchin and Lloyd Pye.
they try to but during the period of research ancient aliens swoop in and make you seem like archaeologists don't
Not everything in the world can be easily explained. There will always be certain caveats that will prevent a complete understanding of our study. That is why it is important that we stay as grounded as possible with the facts we are given. There’s nothing wrong with not entirely knowing something.
I'm just saying it seems like you can't watch any thing even a interesting documentary with out race being brought up
Then who is god....??? Most of ancient culture says about god....can you prove it....ancient Egyptian,Mayan,Hindus,.......they all have gods...can you prove it....??.....maybe gods are real...but they are not humans right??? "Ancient astronauts theory"
Aliens building a stone henge is quite a popular theory so I dont understand her point as that's an english structure. Feels like she's picking and choosing whatever supports her point.
Yes! Jesus walked on water, its legit
True that aliens have been tied to Stonehenge by some, but the vast majority of sites/places that the Ancient Aliens theorists seem to focus on are/were inhabited by people of color. In fact, I think Stonehenge may literally be the only exception to that rule.
And the majority of the proponents of these theories seem to be white men (at least those that are in the public eye the most).
because Stonehenge was built by celts/irish who also weren't first class citizens a short time ago and were looked down on
Seems like people taking the Greatest Accomplishment and realizing they had help. Any European culture can build a Roman Colliseum but Pyramids is a Different Subject
There's way more evidence to support it than not. She needs to do her homework.
Great talk by Sarah Kurnick ! informative and thought provoking, Really enjoyed hearing assistant Professor Kurnick talking about our shared human past. What if the records we have of advancements in human ability and knowledge are ... not fully complete now? We had "lost" the buildings of the Great Lighthouse of Alexandria un Egypt. It has been found and researched where it currently under water in today's Alexandria Harbour. There could also be more done with what we do know of the exceptionally ancient sites at places like Gobekly Tepi in Turkey and the ancient layers of Jericho, or Aleppo in Syria ( now mostly destroyed ). There can be the case that the transfer of information of civilization to another had some other more ... intense or "mystical" property to our ancestors we do not currently understand. We are constantly "decoding" the past, who knows what we will discover or gain a deeper understanding of from research in these fields of study?
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This is easily the worst Ted Talk I’ve ever heard.
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The truth hurts your eurocentric worldview I see 😅
Aw poor thing can't accept the fact that the west would be nothing with the east.. truth hurts
There are technologies that we don’t have today that our ancestors had back then. Some technologies were lost along the war.
Might have been interesting if not for the overt focus on isms.
To be honest, ancient alien or ancient lost civilisation with technology beyond our understanding… is not that absurd… those who believe in that theory is not downplaying our ancestors, but uplifting them… to think that ancestors are just people using simple tools to create all this wonders are downplaying their capabilities
Your explanation makes no sense. Humans doing it without assistance, is more amazing than if aliens helped. If you fixed your car without help from a mechanic, I would be more impressed than if you took it to a mechanic who showed you what to do.
Are you on crack?
This is ignorance.
to you because you lack critical thinking skills no offense
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There will be controvery as long as academic archaeologists continue to insist that copper chisels and dolorite pounding balls built the megalithic structures we find in Egypt, South America, China and India. The refusal to deny all evidence that dynastic Egyptians and others inherited the massive stone structures we find today, and like the Romans, built on top of megalithic foundations built by a precedent cuture using techniques that are now lost leads to fancy.
So ridiculous is it to suggest that copper drag saws and copper chisels built the polygonal 100-ton blocks that fit on 8 or more facets so tightly to their neighbouring blocks that paper cannot be inseted between them, that to some, an alien invasion is more probable.
To stop people latching on to Ancient Alien theories, academic archaeologists need to come up with more credible explantions about how the megalithic structures were hewn, dressed, moved and placed where we find them.
Show me one Egyptian text, instructional manual or set of hieroglyphs that provide a description of how the pyramids were built and I’ll buy you a house.
These buildings took decades, and the organisation didn't need a "secret document". It was basic maths passed down.
Right or wrong ? Wher do the spaceship come from ?
Knowing things can actually be an incredible burden. That’s my takeaway from conspiracy theorists. Discomforting, mundane, complex, cold, deterministic, etc.. Elements that often exist within factual historical retrospectives on ourselves and the world around us. That all represents a sizable load to carry for the typical mind. Especially when unburdening ourselves from whatever truth actually presents itself means that the “truth” can be imagined as whichever account we find most suiting to us individually. It is no wonder we often collectively settle on outlandish and fantastical stories, all sort of noting our minute existence in the Universe, yet all somehow bestowing some kind of importance or “specialness” upon us as well. It’s always ever optimistic that we are indeed chosen.. By god, by visiting Aliens, by the designers of the Matrix, etc…
Knowing things can be an incredible burden. Whereas imagining things is the gift that keeps on giving to a limited and anxious mind.
Mulder said it best. He “wants to believe”.
She said no ancient aliens theorist ever talked about Rome or Europe. That is just a lie. There are plenty of episodes on Rome and Europe
Ancient aliens is easily debunked.
Now that the ufos videos are out there she's going to have to rewrite her speech...
Not exactly. She’s not saying aliens don’t exist. She’s just saying there’s absolutely no evidence that they built any of the structures on earth.
So it was racism.
The reason we don’t question how the Greeks built temples and Roman’s built the colosseum is because they left written plans and everything else lined up. The pyramids though?? Nobody actually knows how they managed that. Archeologists don’t have a real explanation. And the pyramids were built thousands of years before those other things. Also the structures by the Roman’s and Greeks aren’t especially impressive. The biggest pyramid was 32 stories tall!
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Just watch ancient aliens debunked. You will no longer think that show is worthwhile.
But it is possible that they exist?
Ancient aliens show is just a what if show!
No it isn’t. The show’s intent is to convince people that aliens helped our civilization along, and that all the governments and scientists of the world have been covering it up.
I’m here from today’s episode of TTD on Spotify...I wanted to keep listening but her voice sounds like she’s on the edge of crying. Maybe next time with a different narrator?
We love You. Even You dont belive what You are talking.
Well either we had help building everyrhing or we used to be super advanced then got wiped out and had to restart. Its 1 or the other that's for sure, to much evidence to be anything else. How did we soften and mold stone if we wernt more advanced and that's just small scale stuff, and we cant even do it today there is no way to soften or mold stone or cut and fold it like clay yet we did in the past.
Through trial and error. Ancient humans were much smarter than you realize.
I dont disagree but her argument is weak if she has to use racism to prove her point....
She is a very depressed women. Anyone who reads an original Torah can match the multi figured headed angels descending from the skies in rings of fire with the Egyptian Gods. I mean. It doesn't take a genius to understand that a majority of cultures historically claimed to receive help from the skies.
But she's right.
Westerns would rather believe that aliens helped out in the acient world, then to accept that fact that non-europeans have created something, Westerns still cant understand till this day. Look Up the word: eurocentric and understand where its all coming from.
@@Exxperiment626 it's not that the problem
The problem is that things like baalbek, the pyramid core structure and the serapeum aren't really possible with modest technology
We can't even replicate them today!
Yes there is some sort of eurocentrism, but ancient aliens isn't about this
What about South America sites that have bigger stones that we couldn't lift with today's Crain's?
gosh is this borring
She explains satisfactorily how archaeology describes how humans were able to create the wonders of Puma Punko / Puma Punku / Pumapunku?
It is said in legend if you say puma punka more than 3 times aliens appear
i think people should be able to talk about what they belive in and dont and weather its real or not doesnt matter, because your not hurting anyone i say grow up and open your mind more because definately are not the only ones and to make a globe think this is so god dam cruel
Acheology is little more than guess work at best . And some of the most narrow minded people are academics ..They are as closed minded as any religious zealot .
I feel like it’s more of a documentation issue than a race issue, but still interesting.
why would documentation be available? lol
Terrific lecture. BUT!! How did 400 and 800 ton worked stone blocks get lifted 20' high in Baalbek and who was going to move 2 stones of 1000 and 1200 tons in the same area? Do I understand prof. Kurnick to say that her Maya neighbour managed to drag that 7 ton carving across the road to show it to her? Or was it a smaller copy? After all the original is still supposed to be in Palenque!
they probably used this incredible mindbending technology called a ramp and a bunch of logs with thousands of people pulling it
@@waitwhat3547 a ramp? On both sides of every upright pillar? After all, have a ramp on one side only, and you would pull the upright down as fast as you could pull the other block up. And of course half the ramp with it! DID IT TAKE YOU ALL OF 5 MONTHS TO DREAM UP THAT FANTASY?
I'm a desendant of the ancient alien tribe of sarcasm I have come to mock the history channel
She makes so many good points.