HOW TO: Build an aquarium sump - fluidized moving bed filter
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In today's video, i show an example on how to build a basic moving bed sump for your aquarium, while discussing the pros and cons.
How to build an emerged sump: goo.gl/TpOgjy
How to build a submerged sump: goo.gl/JDmsMr
How to build a fluidized sump: goo.gl/AByVwb
This is cool, I have a tip: you should take a big handful of filter media and lightly boil it with some clothing dye or food coloring to stain the pieces red or black or whatever. It helps when designing a system if you cannot only see the motion, but can track individual pieces to see that they are moving throughout the system and not just circulating in one small area like a funnel. The goal isn’t just to get everything spinning like a wheel but to have it going from the outside to the inside and the walls to the center and the bottom to the top without creating too many blow flowing spots.
I've decided to get back into this hobby with a bang, planning to buy a used 150 gallon off craigslist. Your channel has helped me figure out how to do what I want, how to deal with any tank flaws, and how to do all the pretty things I want to do. Just wanted to say it's nice to see someone so knowledgeable and passionate about something pushing the limits of his hobby. You're one hoopy frood, friend.
Actually i'm coming from the pond industry in which i have some experience in, and i just gotten into aquariums and i'm loving your videos so thanks a lot! one thing i wanted to point out is that you missed the one biggest pro for a fluidized filter (or a MBBR - Moving Bed Bio Reactor, which is how we call it in the pond industry) - the fact that because the media is constantly being moved from the bottom to the top of the water, the bacteria will always opt to take the oxygen from the air and not from the water. as the media rotates in the water its kind of like a person being drowned, and being pulled out for air every few seconds. he will hold his breath when he is under water and when he gets pulled out he will take a big breath. so what this does is giving the bacteria a lot of oxygen (about 20% in the atmosphere) and prevents it from taking it from the water, where you want to keep DO (dissolved oxygen) levels as high as possible. a lot like the trickle tower (which takes oxygen from the atmosphere and not from the water), only without the disadvantage of losing head-power from the pump regarding you having to raise water in height.
Nice explanation. I like your addition
Agreed
nice
bacterias dont think and dont chose betweeen options they survive and will take the oxigen available wherever it is and wherever they are..bacterias dont say" hey guys! you know what!? lets just wait ! Hold your breathe and when we go up we just take a good and fresh oxigen.Dont breathe this one!"..just BS ,you,"expert coming from the pond industry"..
Your electric company must send you a nice Xmas gift
Wow, your use of egg crate to mark the holes in the acylic was brilliant, thanks! I never thought of that! I guess that's just experience!
Well done Joey, I can always count on ***** to have a video on exactly what I need, when I need it. LOL. It's like you're watching my tank and saying, "hmm, what would he need next?" LOL. Great video very educational, but I think I'll wait on the rest of the series to come out before I decide which Sump I'm going to build. I'll be looking for the quietest running sump, as my tank is in my living room as a display. Thanks again Joey for such a great series.
A little trick I learned for the live well on a saltwater tropical fish collecting boat to airate the water.
We used a 12 volt bilge pump to draw the water up to the top. Halfway up was an inline charcoal canister filter. You put an elbow at the top, and for the air you put a "T" 1 inch from the elbow. Place a 6 inch riser in the "T" with a cap on it with several holes drill in it. And a 5" nipple out from the "T".
When the water reaches the riser it picks up an incredible amount of air, and looks like a cascade of air bubbles coming out of the pipe. The charcoal canister filter eliminated the ammonia in the water.
This rig was what we also used in a van to transport the fish in from the lower keys to Miami, and the fish were fine on arrival. But I wouldn't push that rig more than a couple of hrs without a water change.
Anyway, it's a great way to bring a water bubble waterfall into the tank without an airpump.
How to build an emerged sump: goo.gl/TpOgjy
How to build a submerged sump: goo.gl/JDmsMr
How to build a fluidized sump: goo.gl/AByVwb
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+The king of DIY looks like VERY liquidy porridge
+ Các vua DIY Can you tell me the name of the white stuff is not ? thanks a lot
+fo3 inven K1 Caldness
What about the application for count water exchange. Can you tell me? Thank
Is there a reason you can't cover up the fluidized filter to reduce humidity? Also thank you for your videos. My fish tank is becoming very awesome thanks to you :)
Such interesting video, i'm going to use for the first time in 19 years of fish keeping a sump filter and i want to use this type.
Wat also can be interesting is to compare on what the cost differences and technique improvements are compared in those 8 year span, deffinetely would watch that video. It would also be a interesting video series to watch "then VS now"
Greetings from The Netherlands
How did you make the air bubbler and where did u get the parts?
For 15 years I have used K1 Kaldness on my koi pond system. It is super stuff for filtration, originally used for filtration of industrial waste water. It is very efficient and saves pond owners from expensive high volume filters. I agree it is noisy because of the air but at the other hand you don't need much K1 to filter a fish tank so you also don't need much air. The volume of K1 which is shown in the video for the general used fish tanks is a big overkill as it is very efficient. I used less for 30 mature koi. In most cases 1-2 ltrs of K1 is already sufficient. If I would start with a fish tank I will choose the conventional way of filtering (with foam). The benefit of K1 comes when the tank volumes are higher than most of the at home used fish tanks because then you can keep your filter volume low by using K1.
So you mena that this K1 would be very good to be used in an system with high organic load like a central filter for high density discus fish culture...??
The amount of k1 on this is astounding, more like filtering a giant pond than just two tanks...... If I remember correctly, beneficial bacterias only thrives depending on the amount of ammonia your tank produces, no more, since theres nothing to consume anymore... I guess there's an equilibrium point wherein x amount of ammonia to x amount of beneficial bacterias, and adding more beneficial bacterias would not do anything.
I am completely lost. I have a 420 aquarium with a 90 gallon tank underneath as the sump. The portion allocated for the k1 media measures 32.5" long x 18" deep x 23" tall. I don't feel the water up to 23". I leave about a 6" to 7" space for power outrages. How much k1 should I be using?
Would a few massive powerheads have the same effect with much less noise?
Old question, yes.
You can use Wavemakers to quiet it down a bit.
@@Glasrandkantehuh, good idea. only stipulation is the cost of wavemakers compared to an airline system, as well as how many/how strong the wavemakers would have to be for a larger sump
what volume of aqua kaldnes K1 micro filter media required per 100 liters of aquarium water ?
I wish I could just go back in the video with out starting all over trying to get all the information takes for ever. great video
Joey I love your videos. But I'm stumped. In your fluidized sump video you use the rigid air bubble sticks. I can't find them anywhere. Can you point me in right direction? I'm sure it's something simple like I'm searching by the wrong name. Thanks in advance
I have the same system in a water disposal cleaning system. Moving plasticbits. You say the media cleans of old bacteria, but it also allows just the hard bacterias to stay in the filter. So the the weak ones is by by.
this sump is simply amazing, fluidized probably the best and also the most expansive.
I built a fluidized sump but all of the media wheels are stuck at the top and the movement is only down at the bottom. How do I get the entire section to move, please? thank you so much!!
Very nice! A tip, you can use Perlite. It is extreamly porous and lightweight and it flows around just like that. But its DIRT CHEAP.
I still love going back to your videos
This is your basic biofilter with a mechanical filter attached....this seems like a great option for heavy load tanks or grow out tanks.
Those air stones where did you get those and what air pump are you using
would a fluidized sump work as a filter for a swimming pool?
i’m think about similar to a natural pool?
if yes, would you elavorate for us in detail here in comment section or in a new video.
Thanks for the great video. I was wondering if the k1 would still be as effective if powerheads were used to tumble the media rather than an air pump and airstone?
You can also use wagon wheel pasta instead of K1 as a cheap alternative that doubles as a quick, nutrient-dense snack
I enjoy your vids. I don't always agree with what you do, but I always admire that you do it. And I lovethis three part series on filters. Totally awesome. Thanks for making and sharing. And I'm looking forward to more.
Wow what amazing timing I'm just in the process of building my sump for a 6x4x2 tank. Thanks for this video!
gavin fowler AWESOME dimensions! What will be going in it?
Hopefully a couple of freshwater Rays , some Geophagus Tapajo and dine congo tetra
gavin fowler Hopefully and rays do not belong in the same sentence. You should always say rays to me when i ask. hahaha
***** definatly Rays just found a couple of great breeders in the Uk. Don't suppose you have done any videos on repairing l.e.d ac adapters? Mine stopped last night! :(
In your newest tank I think u should do a saltwater setup and show us how to do it start to finish with your own diy skimmers LEDs ect keep up the good work
What about in a saltwater aquarium? Is a fluidized sump a good option? Built one that follows my refugium based on this vid. You are the man! Great vid
Really excited about this series! Hopeful I learn some things that i can put on my 500 gallon project. Keep up the great work-Jack
Another 3 part series, you love making us wait don't ya
Gabriel Carvalho I know! Its just the luck of the draw. It's what i had ready for today.
Currently I'm using a 2500lph wavemaker and a 160lph airpump to circulate my k1 chamber. It's doing the job but I only want 1 thing to be powering it. What can I use? A powerful wavemaker?
what you need is a nice lid with rubber or silicon to muffle sound and reduce vibrations. give it a shot
Joey,
It looked like you were using two different types of silicone when you were installing the baffles in the sump? Was that just because the one chamber was too small to fit the caulk gun in there or is there some other reason?
Rich's Fishes You got it! Its always a good idea to have a large tube/caulking gun on hand as well as a squeezable tube. The squeezable tubes come in handy for the tight spots, but i dont like using them as much.
Very nice filtration mate, really efficient and can hold alot of bio media 👍
What about having the air pump take air from outdoors and exhausting the humid air back outside?
Hello what air pump air stone strip do you use for your sump pump?
Thanks Joe Your are Great Men, Because i know less people who share their knowledge because less people know by sharing knowledge its increase.
Where do you buy your acrylic from? How much does it cost roughly to build say a 300 gallon acrylic aquarium? Acrylic cost that is
Hi Joey,
your Arowana got a really beautiful one, good job!
Thank your for your work with your Videos and your handbook!
Cheers
Joey you are the man dude! wish I had friends like you.
The basic layout and pros and cons. Start with them, good idea. But you forgot who should use these? I have a pond and a bog and ducks and quail.
I’d be looking into solar especially for how big your fish room is now.
Have you ever considered going for glass sand as a filter? It's really effective, and it has wonderful bio-filtration capabilities.
idk if it was before or after this comment off the top of my head (you can look into it if you're still curious) but at some point he made a video of a small fluidized filter using pool filter sand
How many gallons of K1 media do u suggest for a same design sump, made of 110 gal tank?
I setup a hang on the back fluidized moving bed filter. Thanks Joey!
Just filled it with bioballs?
@@joshuapowers5590 something like that, a glass media.
could you combine a emerged and fluidized sump
If you are intend to use it for a planted tank it is a benefit to replace air stream with water-pump to keep CO2 .
Another awesome series, different types of sumps with their pros and cons. You've answer a lot question I had on moving bed filters. Thinking of adding one to my ap system ( in the Aquaponic world bio-filter). Fired Up!!!
Slim Tim Thanks Tim. I wanted to give an honest review on this method of filtration, because at times it seams it has been blown way out of proportion in terms of popularity. With that said, i wanted to make an attempt at an unbiased video to insure everyone knows what they are getting into. To be honest, the 300gal sump i run now with it will probably be my last.
Hi Joey this video is very helpful. But now a days I am facing some problems with K1 medias. Initially all were floating and rotating, but now all are sinking and headrly move to upwards with air bubbles. Please tell what to do to solve this problem.
Hi
what is the diameter of the pipe to move kaldnes ?
thanks
Oh man, I thought that was macaroni in there at first. Thanks for the video - really helped me understand the process.
Sir, Instead of using the K1 media, can we use the MMBR media they use for large industrial waste water treatment? They are priced much cheaper compared to K1 & have more surface area too..
Holy moving bed filter. Good video joey
***** Thanks Pal.
Question... What about using a waterfall like spillway instead of using air pumps? That way you get the mixing, & air, (and maybe even more of each).
Great video. Your arowana looks amazing.
Kurt-Eric Wurzbacher Thank you!
Good video Joey. Not to take a way from the video content, but it was cool to see your Aro again. Love that fish.
Which meter you used to judge db?
Hey Joey, question,.. could a Sun-Sun canister filter be used as a fluidized moving bed type filter??? Basically removing everything inside the canister, and installing K1 in it...
Hello, what is the clean solution for the moving bed filter, and are there alternatives if this component is not available in my country
Very interesting video! Also I have to say, your arrowana is looking amazing!!
What is the benefits of k1 kaldness?
Haha. Love going back to your early stuff.
Hi Joey,
As i see 4 water inlets ("when inlets have water force") won't that be enough to rumble k1 without air pump? I know oxygenation is good for bacterial colonization won't that be attained by constant aeration of surface bcoz of water force? If I am right then I can plan for my sump.
Where did you get the plastic airtube that you glued to the tile?
The k-1 media is KING of all media!!!! Speaking from personal experience.
What do you think about using a moving sand bed filter In sump form? I'm thinking about building one as a filtration for a 40 gallon tank. More for the fun of designing and building than anything.
***** I think that it can be difficult to control the flow of water through it while containing the sand in the proper area. With that said, its not impossible but may take a few trial and errors to find the right set up for yourself.
Hello, I have it in my sump. A repetition with 25x30x40. 30ltr of water. Do you think 5ltr of kandles k1 micro is enough?
Just an FYI on DB, and how it works. The important part is the science. +3db is equal to saying "twice as loud." so if you do the math from your 40db quiet room to the 75 db filter (if i did the math right) it is 4112 times louder than the quiet room. that math should give a really good understanding to your viewers about how much louder it really is.
Brilliant series! Can't wait to see the next two.
Have you had any experience using plastic pot scrubbers as bio media? Apparently it's a widely used alternative in large pond filters. Thinking of giving it a try in my aquaponics system.
Could you fluidize k1 with a water pump stirring it with water flow
Wow. This video is old! Love it.
thank you for all the stuff you've done! Have you ever thought of doing an aquaponics system?
Ever tried to integrate a nanobubble generator to the fluidized bed filter? I am curious if this would increase the efficiency (I am basing this on the notion that aerobic bacteria needs to have a rich environment to work). Any thoughts?
Hey Joey, would you mind explaining why you need an air pump over a water pump for filtration? Seems like a water pump would have more flow for less money.
texmsmrfc Its actually the opposite. Airpumps are simply more efficient at moving the media around.
How many hours can i run for bed filter?
Does it have to be an airpump? Or is it possible with a wavemaker/circulationpump
Yep. And because water is much denser than air, it moves the media easier. By submerging the pump you completely eliminate this as a source of noise. I have a single pump in the middle of the barrel, blasting straight up, which fluidises the media nicely, in a sort of vertically stretched donut shaped vortex. You could spiral the flow around the outside as well (in a round barrel).
Then add a Venturi to the pump outlet and you get air being pulled into the water flow, improving the growth of the bacteria and oxygenating the water. The reduction in bubbling (from not using air to fluidise) cuts down the noise further.
Put a lid on it! This deals with the "humidity" issue as well, and saves water... and the noise is _further_ reduced.
Honestly, that setup is what I'd build is I wanted the most noise!
Do you know if these things are hollow inside or are they solid?
Tanks alot,
Do this moving bed filter reduce nitrate??
I heard that anaerobic bacteria remove nitrate
So how this aerobic bacteria can?
+Ali Soheily Anaerobic bacteria grows inside the K1 media over time. That is why it is hollow.
@the king of DIY - How to make the air line? Thanks fir the video.
That beautiful creature is watching you like a puppy. You have an amazing system there!
Brilliant idea joey! Thanks
Hey joey I don't know if you still look at these comments but it's worth a try. Is abs pipe safe for aquarium. I don't wanna kill my cichlids all off because of a pipe choice. Can you help me?
is that a glass aquarium ur putting the acrilic baffels in ?
Hey Joey, Im building a 55g sump for my 125g planted tetra tank and I cant decide on Emerged or submerged media. Any reason not to do both in one sump. Though submerged will give me more water volume right? I need to get it right because I cant get it out from under my stand once the tank is on top. Thanks and Mad props on the gallery. Its looking amazing
which pump do you use to aerate the k1 compartment ???
Does this make much sound.
I found some K1 online but it doesnt look like the ones you have. This one has 5 chambers in the center instead of the 4 in your video. Does this matter? Does the brand matter?
Hai TheKingofDIY I have 25x40x30 (cm) chamber with 10litre helix k1. Which air pump i have to choose? 12kpa is enough?
Just a completely naive question: In order to speed up initial cycle, has anyone thought of running string or something through the media to keep them more still, then remove the string after a couple hours or whatever a faster cycle would be?
Joey, what size pump should I use in a 40 gallon fluidised sump to drive K1 media?
thinking of adding a fresh water refugium to a submerged sump. thoughts?
Hey I wanna ask something. How much power (L/min perhaps) of your aerator pump used in this video? Thank you!
At the end you say you consider it the most efficient. What type of efficiency do you mean there? Maintenance??
nanogyth That is one reason sure, however the reason it is so efficient is due to the fact that the fluidized motion and friction/bumping of the media causes older and less effective bacteria to fall off only leaving the younger and more efficient bacteria to remain.
***** So it is self-cleaning, where as other types might have decreasingly effective bacteria as they age?
I have a 55gal main tank freshwater with an Aqeon QuietFlow 55/75 gal/hr filter.
personally i am not satisfied and i want additional filtration as my nitrate seems to be high!
i want to build a 10 gal below tank fluidized moving bed for additional / secondary filtration.
"as a rule of thumb run pump 6x main tank per hour". 55x6=330.
since i already have a filter installed can i get away with 220 gal/hr?
are there any cons if i were to get a ~580 gal/hr pump? or even higher ~840?
can i use a wavemaker to move the media instead of a air pump.
cant u make the media urself? Like getting tubing and cutting to the same size as that media. Would that work or no?