I recently carried a pallet of 20 boxes of suspended ceiling panels (1,000lbs total weight). I had to have all 4 panels open and up for the trip home. With the prop rod issue I mentioned in the video, the panels came down into the boxes during the drive and damaged one of the boxes. I really hate this cover.
@@eddiehumphrey8171 thanks for the recommendation. I will look at that and others when it’s time for a new truck or this cover totally breaks, whenever comes first. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I was seriously considering this tonneau cover. However, after watching your review, I think I’ll keep shopping. Warranty and customer service are very important to me. Thanks for the video.
Glad I could help. I really wanted to love this cover, as I truly think it’s the best looking one on the market. I was moving a lot of boxes the last 4 days and had to flip open the entire cover multiple times each day. I am just dumbfounded as to how heavy the cover has gotten and swore at it every time I opened and closed it…lol. As I mentioned, it was a night and day difference in the weight when they sent me the replacement cover. Hopefully the WeatherTech cover will work for you. I’ve been buying their other products for 20 years and they stand behind their products. Thanks for watching.
@@terryashford5755 Interesting, I bought the Armor Flex as well and had it for 4 months now and have been happy with it as well. I hope it doesn't get waterlogged.
One, I can’t believe no one is reviewing this problem, two I can’t believe that customer service told you they soak up water. Thanks I was this close to buying one. Thanks
Glad to help. Their customer service the first time around was pretty good when they replaced the cover but I guess they should have replaced everything including the side rails, especially since the replacement cover was the updated design that allowed you to now close the tailgate with the cover closed. My frustration with their customer service was with second time around trying to explain how the prop rods from the original rails no longer worked with the newer cover. They were clueless and just didn’t care. Lastly there’s no excuse for either the old design or the new design to absorb water over time and become 2-3 times heavier than when it was new. Let me know if you find a cover that you’re happy with. I’ve had my F-150 for 7 years and will probably keep it for another 7. I may need another new cover before then…lol. Thanks for watching.
Recd mine this week. Easy install on the 2023 Tundra. Excellent seals and hardware. It also retained the OEM tie down rails and sliding tie downs when closed, big bonus. Much better than my last OEM one on the Tacoma. We get lots of rain up here so we'll see what happens.
Well, i was going to call and offer a cover tmrw but your vid got me to consider the Leer now. Thank you. Poor customer svc can bite a manufacturer if their not careful.
That explains why mine seems so heavy now…I thought I just got old, I’ve had the cover for ten years. Stopped being water resistant long ago. I had noticed how hard it was to remove the entire cover years ago.
I'm torn between the Bakflip MX4 and the Bakflip F1. If I'm correct, the F1 is Composite while the MX4 is Aluminum. After watching your review and other similar ones, I wouldn't purchase the F1 (because of the water retention issue), but I may try the MX4. One of the comments here said the same as I'm feeling at the moment, which after reviewing other brands, they all have their share of issues - some more so than others. Thanks for taking the time to share your history of the product. I always appreciate knowing what people think of a product after they've had it for some period of time.
Thanks for the kind words. I always want to try and help people out whenever possible. At first I thought that maybe my first F1 cover was defective with the water/weight retention but after the customer service rep told me it was a know issue and my replacement cover did the exact same thing a year later, I knew it was just the nature of the beast with this model. I too think maybe the MX4 may be a better choice since it is aluminum and not composite. Not sure if the leaky hinges will be any better. I do have to say from a looks-wise perspective, the BAKFlips do look the best as far as being flush with the bed rails. That’s what originally drew me towards their brand. I honestly might take a good look at WeatherTechs tonneau covers for my next truck. I’ve been happy with all of their other products and their customer support is phenomenal. Glad I could help and thanks for watching.
Lol, I thought the same thing, as the weight increase in the panels doesn’t happen overnight. Then when they sent me the replacement panel, I couldn’t believe how light they are when they are new. Now it’s back to the same heavy panels again. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for taking the time to convey all this info. I have the same exact issues with this cover. What did you ended up getting after this ? What brand
I still have the same cover, as I won’t replace it until I get a new truck. The cover leaks like a sieve at the rubber hinges. I’ve looked at the WeatherTech for the next time around. However the only drawback with that one is that the panel closest to the cab does not flip up against the rear window to make the entire bed available. This is important to me, since I often have my ATV in the back and need it all wide open. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Not sure if you have already found a new cover or fixed this one yet but you may be able to loosen up the two mounting bolts in the back that hold the cover and kind of move the entire cover towards the rear enough to get those holding bars to reach. I have the MX4 and had to take it off recently to spray the outside with bedliner to protect it more (it kept scuffing up real bad when laying one panel on the next). When I reinstalled, I found it was a little too far back and the rods did not line up properly. I loosened those two retaining bolts and pulled it forward a little and they lined up and latched properly. The rear (towards the tailgate) also covered more of my tailgate and still closed and sealed with no leaks. Good luck.
Thanks for the suggestions. Right now the cover is in the right place. I can’t move it back any further, as I will then have issues with the tailgate closing and will have a gap in the front of the bed. At this point with the F-150 turning 9 years old next month, I’m just sticking with this cover. When I buy a new truck, I will have to do my research and find another brand to put on that truck. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I had the exact same problems with my cover as you had with yours, I got the same take-it-or-leave-it response, many good covers out on the market, won't buy their product anymore, good review
It's strange that they didn't send you out the mounting hardware, because you know that you would have had to replace the entire rail system just to get the new cover to work right. Thank you for this honest review.
I was quite surprised when the rep said they were only sending the replacement cover. I didn’t think anything of it, since there was nothing wrong with the original side rails/track and had already gone through the process of lining them up and routing the drain tubes. And yes, I should have tried the prop rods when I received the new cover, but who would have thought. Good customer service would have said, “Yes the rails changed and we should have sent them out too….we’ll send them now…..sorry for the inconvenience”. Thanks for commenting and watching.
Thanks for this review. I was looking at this and the retrax mx4 for my 2022 Toyota tundra double cab with the 6.7 ft bed. My major concern is will my 22 can am outlander 850 fit with the covers up. The Outlander is huge and over 7 ft long .
The one good thing about this cover is the fact that since I have the larger 6.5' bed vs the 5.5', the F1 cover is made of 4 folding sections instead of just 3 on the 5.5' bed. With all 4 panels folded open and resting against the rear window. My 2021 Honda Foreman Rubicon is 84.5" long (just over 7'). If I pull it all the way up so that the front bumper just touches the folded cover, the rear tires sit on the gap between the tailgate and the bed. Of course for that reason, the tailgate will not close, but the machine fits nicely in the bed. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for this comprehensive experience and review! I haven’t seen the water retention mentioned anywhere else online and I’m looking to waste as little payload as possible on a hard cover. I’m pretty sure the Lomax Stance cover allows you to fold it all the way up? I believe it’s available in a 6.5 foot length?
I looked and it says the Lomax is available in a 6.5’ length. I assume it’s also a 4 panel for the 6.5’ length to keep the panel size down as to not block the high mounted stop light when the panels are all open. I’m definitely curious as to why my entire cover weighs now. I constantly think about how much extra weight I’m carrying around (the cover, not me 😂) when the truck is empty 90% of the time. Thanks for commenting and thanks for watching.
@@EverydayATV there are lots of online installs and reviews out there - I can’t remember panel number or how it stores upright but I’m going with the standard Lomax because it’s quick to remove and I won’t need full bed access very often anyway. I’d be curious to know what it weighs now!
Just installed a BAKflip G2 on a '22 Frontier. I had to grind out mounting bracket slots for it to fit. It leaks at EVERY fold seam. I am certain it will not be long before the foam core is damaged by the water inside the cover. The rear corners do not cover the tail gate gaps at all so water is drawn into the rails and bed while driving - even in a light rain
Wow sorry to hear about all the issues with it brand new. With all of the fitment issues, I wonder if they possibly sent you the wrong size cover or maybe the box, etc was correct but they put the wrong cover into that box. I would definitely give their customer service a call. I didn’t have any issues until later down the line. If you do contact them, let us know what happens. Hope they get this resolved for you. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I have a 23 Frsontier and the gap between the tailgate and the bed on both sides and the bottom is ridiculous. There is NO way a cover could stop water/dust/ snow from entering. Even a standard tailgate seal would not stop. Looking to see if any type of overlap seal might be usable. As for the cover, friend with a BAK G2 has had no problem on his 22 Frontier, other than that tailgate gap as noted. Sent it back to BAK
Yikes. I’m in the market for a new cover. Almost bought this one. Thanks for the review. Never would have thought they soak up water like that. Frustrating
I saw your video so what you are saying is if the bed cover is made of ""composite material " it will hold the water and make it heavier and difficult to fold them, right??? I heard there are bed covers made of entirely of aluminum do you think it will have the same problems like composite material holding water??? Which one will be worth it to buy???
I’m not sure if every manufacturer’s covers made out of composite will hold water and get heavy, but I know BakFlip’s will. It has happened with both of my F1 covers and others have commented here that it has happened to them also. If there are covers that are all aluminum, my guess is that they would not have that problem. Even if BAKFlip made an all aluminum cover that does not have the water retention issue, I myself personally would not buy another cover from them due to their poor customer service on how they handled my replacement. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching.
Wow, well crap, I thought I was finally making a right decision on a cover. Now I am leaning on a Pace Edwards or rolling with a canister. Thanks for the warning!
A few other viewers commented on their MX4 and maybe that one is ok, since the panels are aluminum and not the composite material like the F1 that absorbs water after time. Have you taken a look at the ones that WeatherTech has? I know they are fairly new to the game but their other products have been excellent. Their customer service is great too. Let us know what you end up going with. Thanks for watching.
@@EverydayATV I research things to death. I own a 2004 Chevy Avalanche and it has the 3 panel system. I love these trucks and I use the 3 panel system all the time in various configurations, with that being said I also know it needed improvement as to the way it is taken off and put on. What I have come to figure out is you cant have everything you want. Fast forward to today I now also own a new 2022 GMC 2500 HD, like I said I research things to death. Several things to consider are do you want access from the tail gate being closed (lock on the outside) or do you want the lock on the inside (mostly rolling not hard flip) I want mine on the inside for security, anyone can come up with a power tool and open one up easy. Now to the flip up again from what I have noticed (except your F1 bak) most are the same and the only real difference is that texture finish or smooth and carpet back I don't want to scratch the top so IDK. I see where cats or animals can claw it or something. I hear the texture is hard to clean? Paragon wont work for me because of several issues, one main issue is that the whole thing has to stay open and what if you just want to protect something for a short distance from rain. This is why I am leaning on hard roll canister. The dealers says the can takes up room in the bed (true) but the flip up does also. You cant remove the back frame so you cant shove a washer to the front wall. I think for most people it come down to cost, most of the flip hard cover are around the same price give or take 100 bucks or so. I like the flip up also but saw where one was opened with someone trying to shove a tool in through the gate and cover (they did not succeed) but did damage to the gate. I also am over here by the ocean so that presents a finish issue. As for weather tec Yes I agree they look great but the seal hinge concerns me since they are new. I will let you know what I decide though. Thanks for your video and all your information.
I noticed you did not put in the drain tubes, neither front nor rear. I bought the MX4 after hearing what you said about the panels becoming water logged. But the MX4 is painted flat black (with a vulnerable paint), so they got scratched very easily. Just like you, they replaced my MX4 under warranty, and I had to send them pics of me drilling holes in the MX4. I keep my truck in a garage, so I decided to roll the dice and get the F1. They (BAK) claim that the water does not get absorbed by the panels any more. We'll see....
Thanks for the update. Glad they ended up coming through for you on the warranty. Did they send you new side rails too or only the cover? Were you able to switch to the F1 on the warranty exchange? If so, in that case I hope you got new rails just in case there is a slight difference, as was the case with mine. I do have the drain tubes installed at the end of the rails closest to the cab. On my F-150, there are two sets of rubber grommets at each corner of the front of the bed, one high and one low. My tubes are literally only 3”‘long and go into the top grommet directly under the fixed portion of the cover. My cover leaks mostly in the very middle of the cover at the rubber hinges between the panels. Interesting to hear about supposedly the water retention issue being solved. Hope that’s the case, as maybe I would go back to it for my next truck. It is one of the sleekest covers out there. As others have said, there’s not one single cover that’s perfect. Best of luck with your new one and I hope you don’t have the issue with the water retention. Keep in mind that my two F1’s didn’t start getting heavy until at least a year or two later and as they did, it was gradual. Thanks for commenting and watching.
@@EverydayATV They sent absolutely everything: Rail, screws, drain tubes, weather stripping, etc. I did not need the rails as it was a direct replacement and fit perfectly. In fact, it closes better, with a smart SNAP, where the other one had to be almost slammed closed. I will use the weather stripping to close some openings, as I have the RAM Multi-function tailgate and there are plenty of gaps.
Thanks for doing the review, especially regarding the water saturation. I have the Bakflip G2 and I think it has the same problem. All this time I thought I was losing my strength to flip the 4 panels open. All my panels have de-laminated from the substrate. It's 6 years old now so no warranty. 2011 Ram 1500 Big Horn.
You’re welcome. Sorry to hear you’re having some of the same issues. And yes, I honestly thought I was also losing my strength until they sent me the replacement. I couldn’t believe the difference. Of course, this one weighs a ton now. Thanks for the feedback and thanks for watching.
The panels are freaking heavy. I just bought a used truck and it has same style, not sure if same brand and I thought oh these are heavy to fold up. Not user friendly.
I have an F1 on my new body style silverado, 1yr in and it leaks like crazy, gaskets @ panels are separating, and i can't leave anything in the bed that isn't waterproof/ in my packout crates. I'll try my luck with warranty but I'm extremely unhappy.
Sorry to hear you’re having some of the same issues. Mine leaks like crazy at the seams. Same thing….unless I have something in a Rubbermaid, it gets wet when it rains or snows. Your cover probably has not gotten too heavy yet although it happens so gradually you don’t notice it until one day you question yourself as to if you’ve become a weakling. Lol. We were moving my daughter out of her condo today and each of my 4 panels (I have a 6.5’ cover) felt like they were each 100 pounds. By the time I had to flip all 4 panels up against the rear window, I could no longer do it by standing at the side, but rather had to go into the bed to lift them. Ridiculous!!!
The sun is going to fade anything. You can drill weep holes to let the water out. The manufacturer should have thought to do that since they know they have a problem with collecting water or they should have sealed the seams with a silicone. Pretty crappy of them to not replace the retaining bars. Gator makes the same exact product
I don’t know for sure but they sure didn’t fix it between the first two iterations that I had. My guess would be no and that it’s just the nature of the beast with the composite panels they use in this particular model.
No experience with the BAK. I had heard mention of the water logging issue. Thinking out loud, how hard would it be to vent the bottom to let it air dry? Shouldn’t have to do this what with the price of these units. Anywho I just ordered a Gator FX3 for my F150. Looks very similar to the BAK F1. Could be made in the same factory. Hopefully it does the job. Take care.
Thanks for the comments. Plenty of air does get into the bed when the cover is closed as there is a gap between the tailgate and the bed floor. Once it’s wet, it air dries out pretty quick. The issue is with the water itself seeping in when it’s raining. I’ve had cardboard boxes of stuff totally soaked through during a normal rain. It’s to the point now where if I know it will be raining, I will try and out the things in Rubbermaid’s. Not seats possible when you buy something new and are transporting it home. 😡. Hope you have better luck with the Gator. Thanks for watching.
@@EverydayATV Thanks for the reply. To clarify my thoughts on venting, I was thinking more along the lines of possibly opening bottom of the panels. Maybe drilling a few holes in the bottom panel. Would possibly allow water to drain and material between top and bottom panel to air dry. As before this should not be something a person should have to do. Might be worthwhile to try though to get rid of some of the water weight. Once again, just thinking out loud. Take care.
@@bcbsilverhawk8426 ah I understand what you mean now. Interesting idea 👍. I just can’t believe that material they use doesn’t dry on its own. My truck sits outside in the sun all day and we can go for weeks without rain in the summer. Can’t believe it never dries out and thus gets lighter. Totally agree in that this is something the end consumer should not have to do or worry about. In the end, it’s better than nothing and iI will just stick it out for however many more years I keep this truck. For my next one, I will definitely be looking at other brands.
@@bcbsilverhawk8426 Had my cover 6 years and so heavy I can hardly lift. I am going to try drilling some holes and see if that helps. Thanks for the idea
These covers cost a lot of money 8 to 9 and 1,000.00 up that why I made my own with plywood and hinges and high gloss black paint to keep the water out of the wood quad fold on a 1992 chevy silverado. I spent maybe $125.00 on everything.
That water retention issues is a real issue. I don't like adding unnecessary weight to any vehicle. Thanks for letting me know. I'll check out the rolling bed covers.
Thanks. I’m glad the MX4 has been good to you. The MX4 looks like it’s made with aluminum vs my F1 which is FRP (supposed to be lightweight…that is until it gets waterlogged…lol). Biggest issue is that the hinges between the panels (there are 4 since I have the 6.5’ bed) leak water in rain and snow. Thanks for watching.
running the mx4 as well. couldn't be happier heading into year #3. had a bakflip on my previous tundra... trouble-free for it's life... for perspective, though: I do keep my truck in the garage when not out on the road... figure the cover 'ages' as well as my truck... which does a lot better when garaged...
Seems to me a lot of these tonneau cover companies have crooks working in their customer service offices. I got myself the diamond back HD cover. Great product, but the customer service was lack luster to say the least.
Yup, I like the Diamond Back but I don't like that you loose your bed for putting an ATV or Dirt Bike in.....true maybe get a custom ramp made to load on top of the cover but that be a long ramp...LOL
@@Meekerextreme that would be wild!! I’m nervous enough just riding the ramps to get into the bed, yet alone on top of the cover. Lol. Thanks for watching.
I had one on my 11 Silverado and it got very heavy when replacing the cover due to hail damage I was assured by bak flip the f1 would not get heavy it did. I am retired and don't want to hurt my back so I will be getting the weathertech cover and put this one where it belongs in the garbage.
It’s amazing the weight difference after a few years after absorbing all that water that never goes away. I’m 9 years into this truck now and won’t replace it until my next truck. I too will probably purchase a WeatherTech next time around.
it is almost criminal that the company would release a product that soaked up water and did not use a material or coating that repelled the water especially at the cost of the cover, nor was the fact the cover would retain water overtime and get heavier disclosed before purchase.
Based on your review, I've changed my mind on BAK tonneau cover products. Their Customer Service does not seem to care about fully standing by their products. Not good in this day and age of the post Covid mentality of doing business where companies have basically done away with customer satisfaction while blaming the likes of Covid, global warming, and/or material shortages. I'd rather find a company that wants to impart customer satisfaction.
Thanks for the feedback Richard. I just didn’t want people to experience the same disappointment I’ve had with this particular model. Let us know what you end up on going with and how you like it. Thanks for watching.
Totally agree. Love the streamlined looks of it and how flat it lays across the bed. I even like their design of the BAKBox that I have on the inside. It cleverly folds when you need more bed space without having to remove it. The fit and finish is what drives me crazy along with the main issue of now weighing a ton. I would love to remove the whole thing just to be able to weigh how much weight the cover now adds. Thanks for watching.
Had no choice, as this is how BAKFlip designs them. Yes, the cover for the 5.5’ bed is 3 panels. The cover for the 6.5’ bed, which is what I have, is 4 panels. Can you imagine how heavy the panels would be if they only did 3 giant panels instead of 4 smaller ones for the 6.5’ cover? Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the suggestion but unfortunately they are permanently mounted (riveted to the side rails). Maybe they changed it with the newer version cover they sent me but they cannot be adjusted forward or back. They should have sent me the updated side rails.
If the covers are retaining water why not just drill a couple of holes in the side of the cover to let the water drain. It should just drain out the channel, the other problem, why not just moves the support mounts
Good questions. The water is saturated in the fibers of the composite material. It’s not like it’s sloshing around in there and can’t be drained out simply like water in a container. The supports are permanently attached to the rails. There’s no way to take them off to move them closer up to the cab. The rubber hinges between the four panels now also leak like a sieve. When I replace the truck in a few more years I will definitely look at other manufacturers.
It’s seems to look identical to the BAKFlip profile, which is a good thing. Looks like the panels are better made. My F-150 is 8 years old now. I’ll stick with this one if it lasts and look at the Undercover for my next truck. Thanks for the comments and for watching.
Not at this point. My truck is 8 years old and I’ll keep the current BAKFlip until I buy a new truck in the next year or two. I will then take a hard look at other offerings at that time. Thanks for watching.
I've had probably 6-7 different types of Tonneau covers since 1990 always looking for the perfect cover, it doesn't exist. That being said, the Bakflip is hands down the best all-around cover available on the market today.
I bet waxing the panels of the composite cover would help to keep them from seeping water and would keep them looking new. You should have checked the prop rods when you installed the new cover so that one is on you. Two years later and the cover now being out of warranty I can't blame the company for that. If you had checked it right away I bet BAKFlip would have taken care of you on the prop rod issue. I have had three of the MX4 covers and just ordered another MX4 cover for my new Tacoma. I have had nothing but good experiences with the MX4 covers.
If you have a 5.5’ box, it’s a 3 section. I have the 6.5’ box on my SuperCrew, hence the 4 sections. Most F-150 SuperCrews are built with the smaller 5.5’ box. What’s really strange about the BAKFlip 4 sections is that only the 1st (closest to the tailgate), 3rd and 4th sections have the lock with the pull cable. The 2nd section does not. It just can be lifted on it’s own. I thought at first I had a defective cover but BAK assured me it’s designed that way. The updated 2nd gen F1 is the same way. Thanks for watching.
i do not recommend these covers at all. I have a 2017 Honda Ridgeline that I had a Bakflip cover installed on. The weather strip between the panels deteriorated and began to tear. I contacted Bakfip to replace these strips but was told that they do not sell these strips for replacement. They said the cover was out of warranty but would sell me a new cover at a discount. No replacement strips that are crap but they will sell me a new one. Really
I hear you. When I called back and told them they should have sent me new side rails and prop rods to go with the redesigned replacement cover, they said sorry but offered me a discount on an entirely new cover. Yeah right. Thanks for watching and sharing your experience.
And your issue is after 7 years that sent you a new one and you complain about the weight and stabilizer bar. Unbelievable that they sent a new one after 7!years when it has online 5 year warranty.
BAK industries replaced my cover when I had issues with the gaps in the hinges and water leaks at the 2 year mark. Within those first two years, it got extremely heavy. The new panels were extremely light at first and like the original, got very heavy within the next year or two. Sorry I that I didn’t notice the prop rods on original rails didn’t work with the new cover until I went to use them for the first time before this video was shot. Just goes to show you that BAK should have also replaced the rails at the 2 year mark and not just the cover. Just trying to make people aware of the weight issues that happen over time and the fact that their customer service failed to fully support their product. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Mines held up good but is now out of warranty & the rubber hinges are starting to split. Bakflip says replacements hinge strips are not available & i have to buy a new cover. So your spending what $1200 on a new cover when the could sell you $30 bucks worth of rubber??? RIP OFF!
I'm not a fan of the opening system. Those wires look like anyone with a clothes hanger could easily open the panel exposing all of your precious cargo.
Totally agree with you. Can’t believe there isn’t a better way. Not to mention I think someone can get their fingers under the edge and force it up and open. The latching mechanism to the side rails does not seem that strong. I’d rather have one of the systems that uses a key lock. Thanks for commenting and watching.
BAKFlip makes a good product, some have posted in this comment section that BAKFlip has redesigned the F1 composite panels to eliminate the water retention issue. I have owned three BAKFlip MX4 covers and all three were great covers, I just ordered a new BAKFlip MX4 cover for my new Tacoma making it four MX4 covers that I will have owned now. This guy got a warranty cover but waited two years to alert BAKFlip about the prop rod issue after the cover was no longer under warranty. There are always two sides to every story, I would love to hear the other side of this story. As for the prop rods he could have drilled the rivets of the original prop rod brackets and move them forward to make the prop rods work. Instead he just makes a video and whines about it.
Try taking in your vehicle after it is out of warranty and see if they will fix it for free, I bet they tell you to go pound sand. This guy waited 2 years after he got the original cover replaced under warranty then figured out the prop rods where to short for the new cover and his warranty was now over with so the manufacture had no more responsibility with the cover. Instead of making a video whining about it he could have just drilled out the rivets hold the prop rod brackets in place and move the brackets forward enough so that the prop rods would work again. He also clearly never did any exterior maintenance to the cover like waxing it to keep the finish protected, if he had kept it waxed I bet he would not have had the water retention issue because the water would have beaded up and rolled off the cover instead of soaking into the compost fiberglass panel. If he would have alerted BAKFlip to the prop rod issue as soon as he installed the replacement cover I bet they would have taken care of him while the cover was still under warranty. Two year later I don't blame BAKFlip.
Not sure how plastic and aluminum retain water. Must be magic plastic or the gap in the panels may be holding water. Might explaine the rubber coating over plastic or polymer. I do appreciate any review, but as far as I can see, the company has gone a long way to making you happy. You're toteing a rubicon in your truck so I think you have a couple of bucks. Spend the 2 or 3 k and get something that does everything but drive your truck. It's a cover, not the ARK
According to Bak Industries, the F1 inner core of the BAKFlip is a high density EPS (polystyrene). The top outer edge is fiberglass. The only aluminum components are the side rails and the frame of each of the 4 panels. When I had the issues with the gaps in the rubber hinges with the first panel, the Bak rep explained to me that the reason my original panel was so heavy compared to the replacement is that their panels absorb water over time. They also said the new one would do the same. These were their exact words, not mine. Mind you, it takes a year or two before the panels become extremely heavy. Others have commented that they have experienced the same heaviness issues with time. Once the panels become waterlogged, it’s not like several weeks of no rain will dry them out and make them lighter again. The first cover was watertight for the first two years and then started leaking with the gaps in the rubber hinges. The replacement cover stayed watertight for the first two years and also now leaks like a sieve. I just moved our daughter into a new home and we had to put everything into plastic bags, as the entire inside of the bed was wet after a rain we had. Yes I suppose I could get a Gemtop or a 1 piece fiberglass hinges cover to in order to be watertight, but that won’t work for the tall items I often have to carry in the back of my truck. My issue with Bak is they shouldn’t advertise it as watertight if it isn’t. Yes, they somewhat stood behind their product when the first one started to come apart and leak, but when they sent me an updated cover, they should have also replaced the side rails that were also updated. I have a new version cover that doesn’t play along well with the old style side rails. And yes, I can afford any cover out there, but that doesn’t mean I want to throw my hard-earned money away on a product that doesn’t live up to its expectation, nor should anyone else have to throw their money away either. There’s plenty of alternatives out there. I personally would never buy another one of their products for my next truck.
I recently carried a pallet of 20 boxes of suspended ceiling panels (1,000lbs total weight). I had to have all 4 panels open and up for the trip home. With the prop rod issue I mentioned in the video, the panels came down into the boxes during the drive and damaged one of the boxes. I really hate this cover.
get the revolver x4s
@@eddiehumphrey8171 thanks for the recommendation. I will look at that and others when it’s time for a new truck or this cover totally breaks, whenever comes first.
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I was seriously considering this tonneau cover. However, after watching your review, I think I’ll keep shopping. Warranty and customer service are very important to me. Thanks for the video.
Glad I could help. I really wanted to love this cover, as I truly think it’s the best looking one on the market. I was moving a lot of boxes the last 4 days and had to flip open the entire cover multiple times each day. I am just dumbfounded as to how heavy the cover has gotten and swore at it every time I opened and closed it…lol. As I mentioned, it was a night and day difference in the weight when they sent me the replacement cover.
Hopefully the WeatherTech cover will work for you. I’ve been buying their other products for 20 years and they stand behind their products.
Thanks for watching.
What did you end up getting?
Great review
@@OnePointLander I went with the Undercover Armor Flex. I’ve had it for a while now and I’ve been very happy with it.
@@terryashford5755 Interesting, I bought the Armor Flex as well and had it for 4 months now and have been happy with it as well. I hope it doesn't get waterlogged.
One, I can’t believe no one is reviewing this problem, two I can’t believe that customer service told you they soak up water. Thanks I was this close to buying one. Thanks
Wow, sorry to hear about your issue. They should’ve sent you the rails. Very informative video, thank you.
Agreed. Thanks and thanks for watching 👍
Appreciate the video. Customer service is very important to me when spending this kind of money. I'll keep looking.
Glad to help. Their customer service the first time around was pretty good when they replaced the cover but I guess they should have replaced everything including the side rails, especially since the replacement cover was the updated design that allowed you to now close the tailgate with the cover closed. My frustration with their customer service was with second time around trying to explain how the prop rods from the original rails no longer worked with the newer cover. They were clueless and just didn’t care. Lastly there’s no excuse for either the old design or the new design to absorb water over time and become 2-3 times heavier than when it was new.
Let me know if you find a cover that you’re happy with. I’ve had my F-150 for 7 years and will probably keep it for another 7. I may need another new cover before then…lol.
Thanks for watching.
Recd mine this week. Easy install on the 2023 Tundra. Excellent seals and hardware. It also retained the OEM tie down rails and sliding tie downs when closed, big bonus. Much better than my last OEM one on the Tacoma. We get lots of rain up here so we'll see what happens.
Thank you for the review. I am checking out all of the brands before I buy.
Well, i was going to call and offer a cover tmrw but your vid got me to consider the Leer now. Thank you. Poor customer svc can bite a manufacturer if their not careful.
Thank you for this review. Very detailed and well explained.
Thank you for the kind words. Glad you found this helpful.
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Interesting about point of how the item holds water. thanks for video.
Glad to help. Thanks for watching.
That explains why mine seems so heavy now…I thought I just got old, I’ve had the cover for ten years. Stopped being water resistant long ago. I had noticed how hard it was to remove the entire cover years ago.
I'm torn between the Bakflip MX4 and the Bakflip F1. If I'm correct, the F1 is Composite while the MX4 is Aluminum. After watching your review and other similar ones, I wouldn't purchase the F1 (because of the water retention issue), but I may try the MX4. One of the comments here said the same as I'm feeling at the moment, which after reviewing other brands, they all have their share of issues - some more so than others. Thanks for taking the time to share your history of the product. I always appreciate knowing what people think of a product after they've had it for some period of time.
Thanks for the kind words. I always want to try and help people out whenever possible. At first I thought that maybe my first F1 cover was defective with the water/weight retention but after the customer service rep told me it was a know issue and my replacement cover did the exact same thing a year later, I knew it was just the nature of the beast with this model. I too think maybe the MX4 may be a better choice since it is aluminum and not composite. Not sure if the leaky hinges will be any better. I do have to say from a looks-wise perspective, the BAKFlips do look the best as far as being flush with the bed rails. That’s what originally drew me towards their brand. I honestly might take a good look at WeatherTechs tonneau covers for my next truck. I’ve been happy with all of their other products and their customer support is phenomenal.
Glad I could help and thanks for watching.
Amazing, I thought I was getting old and couldn't lift the darn thing anymore! Now I know why. 😄
Lol, I thought the same thing, as the weight increase in the panels doesn’t happen overnight. Then when they sent me the replacement panel, I couldn’t believe how light they are when they are new. Now it’s back to the same heavy panels again.
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Makes sense now about my old f1
Thanks for taking the time to convey all this info. I have the same exact issues with this cover. What did you ended up getting after this ? What brand
I still have the same cover, as I won’t replace it until I get a new truck. The cover leaks like a sieve at the rubber hinges.
I’ve looked at the WeatherTech for the next time around. However the only drawback with that one is that the panel closest to the cab does not flip up against the rear window to make the entire bed available. This is important to me, since I often have my ATV in the back and need it all wide open.
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I was just about to pull the trigger and buy one for my ram. After this video I’ll start researching other brands.
Since water retention is a known issue, you’d think they would try to engineer seep holes where the panels would drain into the drain rails.
Not sure if you have already found a new cover or fixed this one yet but you may be able to loosen up the two mounting bolts in the back that hold the cover and kind of move the entire cover towards the rear enough to get those holding bars to reach. I have the MX4 and had to take it off recently to spray the outside with bedliner to protect it more (it kept scuffing up real bad when laying one panel on the next). When I reinstalled, I found it was a little too far back and the rods did not line up properly. I loosened those two retaining bolts and pulled it forward a little and they lined up and latched properly. The rear (towards the tailgate) also covered more of my tailgate and still closed and sealed with no leaks. Good luck.
Thanks for the suggestions. Right now the cover is in the right place. I can’t move it back any further, as I will then have issues with the tailgate closing and will have a gap in the front of the bed. At this point with the F-150 turning 9 years old next month, I’m just sticking with this cover. When I buy a new truck, I will have to do my research and find another brand to put on that truck.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
I had the exact same problems with my cover as you had with yours, I got the same take-it-or-leave-it response, many good covers out on the market, won't buy their product anymore, good review
Thanks for the comments Jason and sorry you had the same issues/experiences.
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It's strange that they didn't send you out the mounting hardware, because you know that you would have had to replace the entire rail system just to get the new cover to work right. Thank you for this honest review.
I was quite surprised when the rep said they were only sending the replacement cover. I didn’t think anything of it, since there was nothing wrong with the original side rails/track and had already gone through the process of lining them up and routing the drain tubes. And yes, I should have tried the prop rods when I received the new cover, but who would have thought. Good customer service would have said, “Yes the rails changed and we should have sent them out too….we’ll send them now…..sorry for the inconvenience”.
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The Bakflip was the choice I had made, but you have changed my wind.
Thanks for this review. I was looking at this and the retrax mx4 for my 2022 Toyota tundra double cab with the 6.7 ft bed. My major concern is will my 22 can am outlander 850 fit with the covers up. The Outlander is huge and over 7 ft long .
The one good thing about this cover is the fact that since I have the larger 6.5' bed vs the 5.5', the F1 cover is made of 4 folding sections instead of just 3 on the 5.5' bed. With all 4 panels folded open and resting against the rear window. My 2021 Honda Foreman Rubicon is 84.5" long (just over 7'). If I pull it all the way up so that the front bumper just touches the folded cover, the rear tires sit on the gap between the tailgate and the bed. Of course for that reason, the tailgate will not close, but the machine fits nicely in the bed.
Hope that helps. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for this comprehensive experience and review! I haven’t seen the water retention mentioned anywhere else online and I’m looking to waste as little payload as possible on a hard cover. I’m pretty sure the Lomax Stance cover allows you to fold it all the way up? I believe it’s available in a 6.5 foot length?
I looked and it says the Lomax is available in a 6.5’ length. I assume it’s also a 4 panel for the 6.5’ length to keep the panel size down as to not block the high mounted stop light when the panels are all open.
I’m definitely curious as to why my entire cover weighs now. I constantly think about how much extra weight I’m carrying around (the cover, not me 😂) when the truck is empty 90% of the time.
Thanks for commenting and thanks for watching.
@@EverydayATV there are lots of online installs and reviews out there - I can’t remember panel number or how it stores upright but I’m going with the standard Lomax because it’s quick to remove and I won’t need full bed access very often anyway. I’d be curious to know what it weighs now!
I hadn't seen the Lomax Stance before, looked perfect for me but unfortunately they don't make an 8' version. :(
Very good and honest evaluation, have now decided not to purchase this model. Thank you.
Just installed a BAKflip G2 on a '22 Frontier. I had to grind out mounting bracket slots for it to fit. It leaks at EVERY fold seam. I am certain it will not be long before the foam core is damaged by the water inside the cover. The rear corners do not cover the tail gate gaps at all so water is drawn into the rails and bed while driving - even in a light rain
Wow sorry to hear about all the issues with it brand new. With all of the fitment issues, I wonder if they possibly sent you the wrong size cover or maybe the box, etc was correct but they put the wrong cover into that box. I would definitely give their customer service a call. I didn’t have any issues until later down the line. If you do contact them, let us know what happens.
Hope they get this resolved for you. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I have a 23 Frsontier and the gap between the tailgate and the bed on both sides and the bottom is ridiculous. There is NO way a cover could stop water/dust/ snow from entering. Even a standard tailgate seal would not stop. Looking to see if any type of overlap seal might be usable. As for the cover, friend with a BAK G2 has had no problem on his 22 Frontier, other than that tailgate gap as noted. Sent it back to BAK
Yikes. I’m in the market for a new cover. Almost bought this one. Thanks for the review. Never would have thought they soak up water like that. Frustrating
I saw your video so what you are saying is if the bed cover is made of ""composite material " it will hold the water and make it heavier and difficult to fold them, right??? I heard there are bed covers made of entirely of aluminum do you think it will have the same problems like composite material holding water???
Which one will be worth it to buy???
I’m not sure if every manufacturer’s covers made out of composite will hold water and get heavy, but I know BakFlip’s will. It has happened with both of my F1 covers and others have commented here that it has happened to them also. If there are covers that are all aluminum, my guess is that they would not have that problem. Even if BAKFlip made an all aluminum cover that does not have the water retention issue, I myself personally would not buy another cover from them due to their poor customer service on how they handled my replacement. Hope that helps.
Thanks for watching.
Wow, well crap, I thought I was finally making a right decision on a cover. Now I am leaning on a Pace Edwards or rolling with a canister. Thanks for the warning!
A few other viewers commented on their MX4 and maybe that one is ok, since the panels are aluminum and not the composite material like the F1 that absorbs water after time. Have you taken a look at the ones that WeatherTech has? I know they are fairly new to the game but their other products have been excellent. Their customer service is great too. Let us know what you end up going with.
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@@EverydayATV I research things to death. I own a 2004 Chevy Avalanche and it has the 3 panel system. I love these trucks and I use the 3 panel system all the time in various configurations, with that being said I also know it needed improvement as to the way it is taken off and put on. What I have come to figure out is you cant have everything you want. Fast forward to today I now also own a new 2022 GMC 2500 HD, like I said I research things to death. Several things to consider are do you want access from the tail gate being closed (lock on the outside) or do you want the lock on the inside (mostly rolling not hard flip) I want mine on the inside for security, anyone can come up with a power tool and open one up easy. Now to the flip up again from what I have noticed (except your F1 bak) most are the same and the only real difference is that texture finish or smooth and carpet back I don't want to scratch the top so IDK. I see where cats or animals can claw it or something. I hear the texture is hard to clean? Paragon wont work for me because of several issues, one main issue is that the whole thing has to stay open and what if you just want to protect something for a short distance from rain. This is why I am leaning on hard roll canister. The dealers says the can takes up room in the bed (true) but the flip up does also. You cant remove the back frame so you cant shove a washer to the front wall. I think for most people it come down to cost, most of the flip hard cover are around the same price give or take 100 bucks or so. I like the flip up also but saw where one was opened with someone trying to shove a tool in through the gate and cover (they did not succeed) but did damage to the gate. I also am over here by the ocean so that presents a finish issue. As for weather tec Yes I agree they look great but the seal hinge concerns me since they are new. I will let you know what I decide though. Thanks for your video and all your information.
Glad I came across your video. BAK will not be getting my money. Customer service and warranty will break their company.
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I noticed you did not put in the drain tubes, neither front nor rear. I bought the MX4 after hearing what you said about the panels becoming water logged. But the MX4 is painted flat black (with a vulnerable paint), so they got scratched very easily. Just like you, they replaced my MX4 under warranty, and I had to send them pics of me drilling holes in the MX4.
I keep my truck in a garage, so I decided to roll the dice and get the F1. They (BAK) claim that the water does not get absorbed by the panels any more. We'll see....
Thanks for the update. Glad they ended up coming through for you on the warranty. Did they send you new side rails too or only the cover? Were you able to switch to the F1 on the warranty exchange? If so, in that case I hope you got new rails just in case there is a slight difference, as was the case with mine.
I do have the drain tubes installed at the end of the rails closest to the cab. On my F-150, there are two sets of rubber grommets at each corner of the front of the bed, one high and one low. My tubes are literally only 3”‘long and go into the top grommet directly under the fixed portion of the cover. My cover leaks mostly in the very middle of the cover at the rubber hinges between the panels.
Interesting to hear about supposedly the water retention issue being solved. Hope that’s the case, as maybe I would go back to it for my next truck. It is one of the sleekest covers out there. As others have said, there’s not one single cover that’s perfect.
Best of luck with your new one and I hope you don’t have the issue with the water retention. Keep in mind that my two F1’s didn’t start getting heavy until at least a year or two later and as they did, it was gradual.
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@@EverydayATV They sent absolutely everything: Rail, screws, drain tubes, weather stripping, etc. I did not need the rails as it was a direct replacement and fit perfectly. In fact, it closes better, with a smart SNAP, where the other one had to be almost slammed closed. I will use the weather stripping to close some openings, as I have the RAM Multi-function tailgate and there are plenty of gaps.
Thanks for doing the review, especially regarding the water saturation. I have the Bakflip G2 and I think it has the same problem. All this time I thought I was losing my strength to flip the 4 panels open. All my panels have de-laminated from the substrate. It's 6 years old now so no warranty. 2011 Ram 1500 Big Horn.
You’re welcome. Sorry to hear you’re having some of the same issues. And yes, I honestly thought I was also losing my strength until they sent me the replacement. I couldn’t believe the difference. Of course, this one weighs a ton now.
Thanks for the feedback and thanks for watching.
The panels are freaking heavy. I just bought a used truck and it has same style, not sure if same brand and I thought oh these are heavy to fold up. Not user friendly.
Hmmm...so I wasn't crazy to think mine was getting heavier.
I have an F1 on my new body style silverado, 1yr in and it leaks like crazy, gaskets @ panels are separating, and i can't leave anything in the bed that isn't waterproof/ in my packout crates. I'll try my luck with warranty but I'm extremely unhappy.
Sorry to hear you’re having some of the same issues. Mine leaks like crazy at the seams. Same thing….unless I have something in a Rubbermaid, it gets wet when it rains or snows. Your cover probably has not gotten too heavy yet although it happens so gradually you don’t notice it until one day you question yourself as to if you’ve become a weakling. Lol. We were moving my daughter out of her condo today and each of my 4 panels (I have a 6.5’ cover) felt like they were each 100 pounds. By the time I had to flip all 4 panels up against the rear window, I could no longer do it by standing at the side, but rather had to go into the bed to lift them. Ridiculous!!!
The sun is going to fade anything. You can drill weep holes to let the water out. The manufacturer should have thought to do that since they know they have a problem with collecting water or they should have sealed the seams with a silicone. Pretty crappy of them to not replace the retaining bars. Gator makes the same exact product
Is the water logging still an issue in the current revisions?
I don’t know for sure but they sure didn’t fix it between the first two iterations that I had. My guess would be no and that it’s just the nature of the beast with the composite panels they use in this particular model.
No experience with the BAK. I had heard mention of the water logging issue. Thinking out loud, how hard would it be to vent the bottom to let it air dry? Shouldn’t have to do this what with the price of these units. Anywho I just ordered a Gator FX3 for my F150. Looks very similar to the BAK F1. Could be made in the same factory. Hopefully it does the job. Take care.
Thanks for the comments. Plenty of air does get into the bed when the cover is closed as there is a gap between the tailgate and the bed floor. Once it’s wet, it air dries out pretty quick. The issue is with the water itself seeping in when it’s raining. I’ve had cardboard boxes of stuff totally soaked through during a normal rain. It’s to the point now where if I know it will be raining, I will try and out the things in Rubbermaid’s. Not seats possible when you buy something new and are transporting it home. 😡. Hope you have better luck with the Gator.
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@@EverydayATV Thanks for the reply. To clarify my thoughts on venting, I was thinking more along the lines of possibly opening bottom of the panels. Maybe drilling a few holes in the bottom panel. Would possibly allow water to drain and material between top and bottom panel to air dry. As before this should not be something a person should have to do. Might be worthwhile to try though to get rid of some of the water weight. Once again, just thinking out loud. Take care.
@@bcbsilverhawk8426 ah I understand what you mean now. Interesting idea 👍. I just can’t believe that material they use doesn’t dry on its own. My truck sits outside in the sun all day and we can go for weeks without rain in the summer. Can’t believe it never dries out and thus gets lighter. Totally agree in that this is something the end consumer should not have to do or worry about. In the end, it’s better than nothing and iI will just stick it out for however many more years I keep this truck. For my next one, I will definitely be looking at other brands.
@@EverydayATV 👍
@@bcbsilverhawk8426 Had my cover 6 years and so heavy I can hardly lift. I am going to try drilling some holes and see if that helps. Thanks for the idea
These covers cost a lot of money 8 to 9 and 1,000.00 up that why I made my own with plywood and hinges and high gloss black paint to keep the water out of the wood quad fold on a 1992 chevy silverado. I spent maybe $125.00 on everything.
That water retention issues is a real issue. I don't like adding unnecessary weight to any vehicle. Thanks for letting me know. I'll check out the rolling bed covers.
Totally agree with you. I too will probably look at rolling bed covers for my next truck.
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I have a Bak mx4 cover on my truck. Been great for over 4 years, which includes 4 very harsh winters. It's too bad you are having so many problems.
Thanks. I’m glad the MX4 has been good to you. The MX4 looks like it’s made with aluminum vs my F1 which is FRP (supposed to be lightweight…that is until it gets waterlogged…lol). Biggest issue is that the hinges between the panels (there are 4 since I have the 6.5’ bed) leak water in rain and snow.
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running the mx4 as well. couldn't be happier heading into year #3. had a bakflip on my previous tundra... trouble-free for it's life... for perspective, though: I do keep my truck in the garage when not out on the road... figure the cover 'ages' as well as my truck... which does a lot better when garaged...
Seems to me a lot of these tonneau cover companies have crooks working in their customer service offices. I got myself the diamond back HD cover. Great product, but the customer service was lack luster to say the least.
Agreed!!!
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Yup, I like the Diamond Back but I don't like that you loose your bed for putting an ATV or Dirt Bike in.....true maybe get a custom ramp made to load on top of the cover but that be a long ramp...LOL
@@Meekerextreme that would be wild!! I’m nervous enough just riding the ramps to get into the bed, yet alone on top of the cover. Lol.
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TY ... your video has moved me away from purchasing a bakflip cover
I had one on my 11 Silverado and it got very heavy when replacing the cover due to hail damage I was assured by bak flip the f1 would not get heavy it did. I am retired and don't want to hurt my back so I will be getting the weathertech cover and put this one where it belongs in the garbage.
It’s amazing the weight difference after a few years after absorbing all that water that never goes away. I’m 9 years into this truck now and won’t replace it until my next truck. I too will probably purchase a WeatherTech next time around.
I ordered a little over a week ago. Still in the box. After seeing this I called to return, and refund.
it is almost criminal that the company would release a product that soaked up water and did not use a material or coating that repelled the water especially at the cost of the cover, nor was the fact the cover would retain water overtime and get heavier disclosed before purchase.
Based on your review, I've changed my mind on BAK tonneau cover products. Their Customer Service does not seem to care about fully standing by their products. Not good in this day and age of the post Covid mentality of doing business where companies have basically done away with customer satisfaction while blaming the likes of Covid, global warming, and/or material shortages. I'd rather find a company that wants to impart customer satisfaction.
Thanks for the feedback Richard. I just didn’t want people to experience the same disappointment I’ve had with this particular model. Let us know what you end up on going with and how you like it.
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Bak Industries has some nice covers but their quality control is certainly subpar.
Totally agree. Love the streamlined looks of it and how flat it lays across the bed. I even like their design of the BAKBox that I have on the inside. It cleverly folds when you need more bed space without having to remove it. The fit and finish is what drives me crazy along with the main issue of now weighing a ton. I would love to remove the whole thing just to be able to weigh how much weight the cover now adds.
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Why did you get so many panels ? There’s a version with only 3 panels
Had no choice, as this is how BAKFlip designs them. Yes, the cover for the 5.5’ bed is 3 panels. The cover for the 6.5’ bed, which is what I have, is 4 panels. Can you imagine how heavy the panels would be if they only did 3 giant panels instead of 4 smaller ones for the 6.5’ cover?
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@@EverydayATV I’m sorry I meant the undercover flip cover. Thanks for the video
The arms are mounted to far away from the back. Move them back enough to get them to work.
Thanks for the suggestion but unfortunately they are permanently mounted (riveted to the side rails). Maybe they changed it with the newer version cover they sent me but they cannot be adjusted forward or back. They should have sent me the updated side rails.
I just got one right now… sitting on my garage I got it used…..
If the covers are retaining water why not just drill a couple of holes in the side of the cover to let the water drain. It should just drain out the channel, the other problem, why not just moves the support mounts
Good questions.
The water is saturated in the fibers of the composite material. It’s not like it’s sloshing around in there and can’t be drained out simply like water in a container.
The supports are permanently attached to the rails. There’s no way to take them off to move them closer up to the cab.
The rubber hinges between the four panels now also leak like a sieve. When I replace the truck in a few more years I will definitely look at other manufacturers.
How much did you pay for the cover
They are currently $1,139 for both sized beds.
What? That doesn't sound right. I just got the MX4 with aluminum panels and a 5-year warranty for just over $1000.
@@h8GW F1 on the BAKFlip site is $1,139 normally with a sale of $1,025 (10% off) thru tomorrow.
try undercocer armor flex
It’s seems to look identical to the BAKFlip profile, which is a good thing. Looks like the panels are better made.
My F-150 is 8 years old now. I’ll stick with this one if it lasts and look at the Undercover for my next truck.
Thanks for the comments and for watching.
Did you ever buy anything else
Not at this point. My truck is 8 years old and I’ll keep the current BAKFlip until I buy a new truck in the next year or two. I will then take a hard look at other offerings at that time.
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I've had probably 6-7 different types of Tonneau covers since 1990 always looking for the perfect cover, it doesn't exist. That being said, the Bakflip is hands down the best all-around cover available on the market today.
I bet waxing the panels of the composite cover would help to keep them from seeping water and would keep them looking new. You should have checked the prop rods when you installed the new cover so that one is on you. Two years later and the cover now being out of warranty I can't blame the company for that. If you had checked it right away I bet BAKFlip would have taken care of you on the prop rod issue. I have had three of the MX4 covers and just ordered another MX4 cover for my new Tacoma. I have had nothing but good experiences with the MX4 covers.
Minded the same thing would like to take it off in the way it
Yes I’ve often thought of what my 4-panel weighs now. I bet it’s well over a hundred pounds.
Water inside panel, it’s socks… Winter time frosen 😂
I've never seen a 4 section F1...
If you have a 5.5’ box, it’s a 3 section. I have the 6.5’ box on my SuperCrew, hence the 4 sections. Most F-150 SuperCrews are built with the smaller 5.5’ box.
What’s really strange about the BAKFlip 4 sections is that only the 1st (closest to the tailgate), 3rd and 4th sections have the lock with the pull cable. The 2nd section does not. It just can be lifted on it’s own. I thought at first I had a defective cover but BAK assured me it’s designed that way. The updated 2nd gen F1 is the same way.
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As Far as I know this one is still the best on the market
That’s not heavy 😂 I’m 6 foot 4 as well I can lift with my pinky
Yep I could too when both covers were brand new.
Bad PR for BAKFlip.
Ordered I'd a Backflip Revolver it came in damaged and falling apart!!!!
i do not recommend these covers at all. I have a 2017 Honda Ridgeline that I had a Bakflip cover installed on. The weather strip between the panels deteriorated and began to tear. I contacted Bakfip to replace these strips but was told that they do not sell these strips for replacement. They said the cover was out of warranty but would sell me a new cover at a discount. No replacement strips that are crap but they will sell me a new one. Really
I hear you. When I called back and told them they should have sent me new side rails and prop rods to go with the redesigned replacement cover, they said sorry but offered me a discount on an entirely new cover. Yeah right.
Thanks for watching and sharing your experience.
I passed on this brand.
And your issue is after 7 years that sent you a new one and you complain about the weight and stabilizer bar. Unbelievable that they sent a new one after 7!years when it has online 5 year warranty.
BAK industries replaced my cover when I had issues with the gaps in the hinges and water leaks at the 2 year mark. Within those first two years, it got extremely heavy. The new panels were extremely light at first and like the original, got very heavy within the next year or two. Sorry I that I didn’t notice the prop rods on original rails didn’t work with the new cover until I went to use them for the first time before this video was shot. Just goes to show you that BAK should have also replaced the rails at the 2 year mark and not just the cover. Just trying to make people aware of the weight issues that happen over time and the fact that their customer service failed to fully support their product.
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I wonder how much $$$ you've lost in gas carting all that cover water around.
Mines held up good but is now out of warranty & the rubber hinges are starting to split. Bakflip says replacements hinge strips are not available & i have to buy a new cover. So your spending what $1200 on a new cover when the could sell you $30 bucks worth of rubber??? RIP OFF!
I'm not a fan of the opening system. Those wires look like anyone with a clothes hanger could easily open the panel exposing all of your precious cargo.
Totally agree with you. Can’t believe there isn’t a better way. Not to mention I think someone can get their fingers under the edge and force it up and open. The latching mechanism to the side rails does not seem that strong. I’d rather have one of the systems that uses a key lock.
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You just have saved a lot of people from buying this crap
BAKFlip makes a good product, some have posted in this comment section that BAKFlip has redesigned the F1 composite panels to eliminate the water retention issue. I have owned three BAKFlip MX4 covers and all three were great covers, I just ordered a new BAKFlip MX4 cover for my new Tacoma making it four MX4 covers that I will have owned now. This guy got a warranty cover but waited two years to alert BAKFlip about the prop rod issue after the cover was no longer under warranty. There are always two sides to every story, I would love to hear the other side of this story. As for the prop rods he could have drilled the rivets of the original prop rod brackets and move them forward to make the prop rods work. Instead he just makes a video and whines about it.
Screw Bakflip!
Try taking in your vehicle after it is out of warranty and see if they will fix it for free, I bet they tell you to go pound sand. This guy waited 2 years after he got the original cover replaced under warranty then figured out the prop rods where to short for the new cover and his warranty was now over with so the manufacture had no more responsibility with the cover. Instead of making a video whining about it he could have just drilled out the rivets hold the prop rod brackets in place and move the brackets forward enough so that the prop rods would work again.
He also clearly never did any exterior maintenance to the cover like waxing it to keep the finish protected, if he had kept it waxed I bet he would not have had the water retention issue because the water would have beaded up and rolled off the cover instead of soaking into the compost fiberglass panel.
If he would have alerted BAKFlip to the prop rod issue as soon as he installed the replacement cover I bet they would have taken care of him while the cover was still under warranty. Two year later I don't blame BAKFlip.
Not sure how plastic and aluminum retain water. Must be magic plastic or the gap in the panels may be holding water. Might explaine the rubber coating over plastic or polymer.
I do appreciate any review, but as far as I can see, the company has gone a long way to making you happy. You're toteing a rubicon in your truck so I think you have a couple of bucks. Spend the 2 or 3 k and get something that does everything but drive your truck. It's a cover, not the ARK
According to Bak Industries, the F1 inner core of the BAKFlip is a high density EPS (polystyrene). The top outer edge is fiberglass. The only aluminum components are the side rails and the frame of each of the 4 panels. When I had the issues with the gaps in the rubber hinges with the first panel, the Bak rep explained to me that the reason my original panel was so heavy compared to the replacement is that their panels absorb water over time. They also said the new one would do the same. These were their exact words, not mine. Mind you, it takes a year or two before the panels become extremely heavy. Others have commented that they have experienced the same heaviness issues with time. Once the panels become waterlogged, it’s not like several weeks of no rain will dry them out and make them lighter again. The first cover was watertight for the first two years and then started leaking with the gaps in the rubber hinges. The replacement cover stayed watertight for the first two years and also now leaks like a sieve. I just moved our daughter into a new home and we had to put everything into plastic bags, as the entire inside of the bed was wet after a rain we had. Yes I suppose I could get a Gemtop or a 1 piece fiberglass hinges cover to in order to be watertight, but that won’t work for the tall items I often have to carry in the back of my truck. My issue with Bak is they shouldn’t advertise it as watertight if it isn’t.
Yes, they somewhat stood behind their product when the first one started to come apart and leak, but when they sent me an updated cover, they should have also replaced the side rails that were also updated. I have a new version cover that doesn’t play along well with the old style side rails.
And yes, I can afford any cover out there, but that doesn’t mean I want to throw my hard-earned money away on a product that doesn’t live up to its expectation, nor should anyone else have to throw their money away either.
There’s plenty of alternatives out there. I personally would never buy another one of their products for my next truck.