This NEW VOLLEYBALL RULE changes EVERYTHING
Vložit
- čas přidán 24. 06. 2024
- Hi there! My name is PMEvolleyball and I'm a volleyball player and volleyball content creator. In this video, we talked about the New NCAA Volleyball Rule change that has made a lot of people really upset. I take the time to explain why this Volleyball Rule change was not only necessary but will make the sport of Volleyball better overall. If you wanna see more Volleyball content like this, make sure to subscribe so you never miss out on another Volleyball video!
Make Sure to Hit that Subscribe Button for the Best Volleyball Content on CZcams!
Subscribe to @pmevolleyball for the best volleyball content on CZcams!
You Can Also Find More of My Content on The Following Platforms:
- @pmevolleyball on Instagram
/ pmevolleyball
- @pmevolleyball on TikTok!
/ pmevolleyball
- @pmevolleyball on X (Twitter)
/ pmevolleyball
- @pmevolleyball on Snapchat
/ pmevolleyball
VKTRY Insoles are my trusted INSOLES that I use for Volleyball! They help keep my Knees Healthy and are proven to increase your Vertical Jump.
(Use this Link for 20% off your purchase!)
www.vktry.com?snowball=CHRISTIAN84878&CHRISTIAN84878
Looking for the best volleyball gear on the market? Shop JUMPLETE, my trusted volleyball brand!
(Use this link for 10% off your very own JUMPLETE gear!)
Jumplete.com/discount/PME10
CONTACT ME:
pmevolleyball@viralnationtalent.com
#volleyball #volleyballmatch #volleyballplayer - Sport
the dumbest thing about the double is that you can easily put spin on a ball without actually doubling. just put more pressure on one side or even rotate both your arms still touching and leaving the ball at the same time...
This is the exact reason I've always hated this rule.
same
Doubles are doubles for a reason
Which is why spin isn't a consideration when calling double contact.
I disagree. Not without spinning/rotating your hands in a weird way. I’d more likely say the opposite and say that most every set is a double if you look at it from a close enough perspective. How often is every point of contact on the ball going to release at the exact same time?
Imagine being a libero, completly unrelated just imagine!
Could never be me
that was so random💀
I personally am thankful for the libero
Haha 😃😕😕
real 😭
As a ref, using spin to determine a double contact is a pretty old concept. It’s now emphasized NOT to use spin as a factor in calling a double contact although I do know a few refs that still do.
As a coach, I hope this change trickles down to club and interscholastic leagues to take some of the subjectivity out of these calls and promote play.
Who is the ref to pretend he can tell a 0.5cm difference from when the two points on the different hands hit. he can't. the only thing he knows for sure is everything is a double on the right scale. so why is he sitting there saying 0.5cm is not ok, but 0.1mm is.
you eigther put the limit at:
- anything above 0 (you cant, then every touch on the ball is a fault)
- somewhere defined in the rules
- where it is close to giving an unfair advantage.
I get that they should call an intentional double made to fake a set by putting so much spin it goes down to the opponent's side. But there is nothing to gain from setting unevenly. putting unpredictability or spin, or anything that makes the ball less readable will harm your teammate more than the opponent every time. Not to mention you will lose accuracy.
The only reason this change hasn't been made yet is that coaches and more experienced players want to help less experienced players avoid developing bad technique
"Spin" isn't sufficient evidence of illegal contact. There's plenty of physics where spin in = spin out. Great vid!
As a vball coach and player at open level - I like these changes. I would love for the NCAA rules to trickle down because league play would be so much nicer without people calling for doubles or complaining about them.
The only real change I can see as a high level setter though is that the freedom of not having an issue with doubling will allow setters to go for some more risky sets that they might not have gone for with the fear of a double. Being able to shoot to the outside or right side from an unfavorable position with a double/spin can give setters more opportunities to setup a 1-1 or a no block situation. Its not *bad* but it definitely is a new dynamic if you don't have to worry about the call.
Overall - good setting will still be better and it just further emphasizes that every player needs to learn how to set! Even if they double sometimes ;)
I can finally do kageyama’s set 😂
stooop this made me crack up lol
Thank you! This is easily one of the best, and most mature responses to the new rule change I have seen online. And I also hope this change makes its way into NFHS rules, USAV rules, AAU rules, and whatever other rules junior tournaments are going to use moving forward.
I will find out in Vegas this weekend.
I hope club volleyball will because at my last tournament one reff called so many doubles on our team and not the others and I’m not even kidding we lost like 7 points each set because of the reff calling doubles on us (we still won though)
Bro fr and most of them arent even doubles 😭
@@emandJesus frll
Calling a bunch of doubles on one team and not on the other isn’t an argument that the ref was bad, unless you’re also arguing you had identical setters/sets.
I’m a middle and was just at a tournament where I set the ball perfectly and he called it a double and it lost my team the set so that’s annoying af
I used to play volleyball many years ago. I don't mind this rule change, The rule change that ruined it for me was rally scoring. I am old enough that I played back when you could only score on your own serve. Switching to scoring on every point makes no sense and it ruined it for me. Unfortunately, I am in the minority on this and there is no going back now.
after spending my entire life (longer than I care to admit) perfecting soft hands and working to consistently get no spin on the ball, I am happy for this change, it's really needed and I hope outdoor adopts it as well, always feel outdoor players call this much more tightly than indoor.
Yeah this is incredible. Now new techniques can be used with spinning the vb while setting and it’ll also make gameplay more intense!
do you play with ur apple watch ultra? i just got one and it feels like it would hold up nicely for volleyball
Love that you brought up that fact that doubling gives you zero advantage. As a coach that has always been my argument against the rule. For something to be considered a violation that rewards the opposing team, you should at least gain some advantage from that action.
Yeah, I was surprised to see so much outrage. The fact that refs have been calling penalties based on what they think happened due to the spin of the ball, rather than what they actually saw happen is pretty insane. Also, as you pointed out, there was no advantage to double setting. There were people who were upset about changing scoring to the rally system instead of only scoring points on your own serve, but it's made the game so much faster paced and better to watch. I think in time, we'll look back on this rule and think the changes were for the best.
This a rule change needed in beach volleyball, also there are other rules that should change to allow the players to play like crossing over the midline without causing any interference
I remember when calling a lift for a ball rolling on the arms during a hard spike hit or a top spin serve was removed. It is a good example of the rules changing to accommodate the growth of the game and allowing for more continuous play. As a former setter, I have experienced how different settings techniques can affect how a referee calls lifts, holds and doubles. I agree that ambiguous or arbitrary rules should be changed to ensure fair play and equality. I think the most skilled individual and team will continue to be the most successful because they will always be better at making points.
Thank you for your video. Almost same exact words I had been telling my fellow volleyball experts for the last 10 years. When I used to set in the 80's the ball was all white so referees could not tell and there was no rules applied, letting the game continued😜
Several years ago, when I was in college, we had pick-up volleyball games during lunch, consisting of both students and faculty. We often had problems with a double contact on 2-handed sets, and since we officiated ourselves, that led to many arguments. So, we experimented with our own rule ... only one-handed sets were allowed. That makes for an interesting game.
The more important question is has USAV or/and FIVB make that change? or is just NCAA?
I heard the next season for USAV
This is a great change when the players and teams are at comparable skill levels. E.g. college, older club age groups, etc.
The downside is when a well-trained team in a younger age group competes against low skilled team. The skilled team is at a more of a disadvantage when less rules are applied. (Goes for all sports)
I am not a Volleyball player I just enjoy playing and watching it from time to time. But couldnt it be a strat to get a bit of topspin on the ball so that it comes down a little faster on the hit?
Yeah I could see how that could give some sort of "advantage" but honestly I don't think it would be worth it. It would be much harder for the setter to set a ball like that and it would be hard for the hitter to hit the ball so it's just not worth it. But hey, why don't you try it and see if it works lmao
@@Soryn_Clark i think to achieve that kind of set, a lot of spin and power is required. and when you actually do it the ballls gonna sit in ur hand for a longer time, so im pretty sure it would be called a carry anyway lol
I also do not like the fact that a really comes to an end when your setter "doubled" the ball. It is an unfortunate sight to see. I hope that this rule change will make it to the club level.
I actually like this change
I've tried learning setting for me I have pretty small hands and not that strong a guy when it comes to setting and when put my force into a ball I tend to spin the ball a lot. Only when I absolutely perfectly get a ball at the perfect angle do I have absolutely no spin. So I've avoided wanting to learn setting. But too bad this rule change don't apply here in Australia XD
I’m still learning how to set. Idk what rule to encorporate 😂
The concern is not with what will be allowed immediately as a result of the rule change but with what will become allowable beyond the close calls that this change is intended to address.
It will invariably lead to new "techniques" where the contact is intentionally a multiple hit in order to do things with the ball you can't do legally now. Those may drastically change the game, or not. The fact that it only applies to sets and not plays across the net is good in that regard. Whether it is a net positive remains to be seen after it has been in use for a couple of years.
Well the issue starts when you call double contact based on spin. You can bump set/pass a ball and make it spin. You can hit a ball, whether serve or attack and make it spin. None of those can be double contacts. It follows that spin should not be a deciding factor when judging double contact in a setting action. You can double contact without spin, you can spin without double contact.
Hmm. wonder if this will be stretched to the advantage of miss direction, letting it hit one hand and then the other later to cause the direction of the ball to change. Just thinking out loud..
I hope this change propagates down to the lower levels. I play in a beginner level rec league, and some of the refs are extremely strict about calling doubles if there is any spin on the ball. At our skill level, it's really discouraging for people that are new to the game or new to setting.
My coach said next season there will be a rule change in club volleyball 😮 Love your videos 😅
I've been a setter between 1990 and 2000 and I received the most crazy balls to set. Even setting when recovering the ball from defense, super fast.
The physics: one light touch to the ball will keep it spinning and change directions to where you want it to go. Unless you want to make your hands knuckles super rigid for the long run.
I played for the CITY team and was not called double touching ever. When I moved to another school during that time, I was always called double touching.
People would say I was carrying, double touch, whatever you can name. So I decided to stop playing. I had a very strong serve, good defense and excel sets, but ridiculous people judging the ball spinning to tell a double touch was the last straw.
Attackere can have a little bit of a better spike if you spin the ball like an top spin serve. But this only works if the setter has a little distance to the net
In all rule codes, referees are specifically instructed not to consider spin when evaluating if double contact occurred. This rule change only applies to NCAA Women's Volleyball. NCAA Men's Volleyball uses USAV Indoor Rules. The rule change doesn't apply to men's collegiate volleyball.
"Spin" isn't sufficient evidence of illegal contact. There's plenty of physics where spin in = spin out. I appreciate the Pep Talk near the end as well. Great vid!
I mostly agree with your opinion, I think that this rule could help lower levels of volleyball, but the reality (at least in Spain and Denmark) is that the reffs are more relaxed in the lower levels. Also, imo doubling can have a positive impact on the team making the "fault", as you can push and do riskier sets that you might not try with harsher rules. Again, you can be positive to this change, as it could bring more spectacle to the game. But I think that benefiting bad receptions (probably coming from good serves/spikes) is not a good thing.
FWIW, I am already seeing this change trickle down to the youth level. I've attended a few AAU tournaments recently, and noticed that doubles are not getting called as much as they were before.
Does this apply to club, usa, and high school too,
Or just ncaa?
it's just ncaa right now
This was a really solid explanation. Thanks!
I only know about this sport beacuse of Haikyuu, even as a noob, I think you explained it well and I agree, rules shouldn't be so confusing for refs to call when every point could cost the game, let players play, have fun, may the best players win, stop with the over technicality of rules and ref calls. Also, it is crazy to think doubling the ball won't happen when setters will be tired in longer games, perfection being required every set is insane. JUST ASK KAGEYAMA!
A great change!
Imagine if football had rules where refs penalized quaterbacks for throwing footballs without a perfect spin. That's basically what this rule was. It made no sense. The penalty for not throwing perfectly is, well, exactly that: You didnt throw the football perfectly and now it'll be harder for the catcher to catch. Just like the penalty for doing a less-than-perfect set will be that it's harder for the hitter to hit. The refs don't need to be involved in that interaction at all.
EXACTLY
EXACTLY
The funny thing is, you can actually put a lot of spin on a set ball using one hand (and can't be called a double)so kinda makes since to relax the rule a little! That said, I hope they don't ruin the game by letting anything go!
4:15- The Refs are suppose to call to the action itself, not the outcome. The outcome is only to assist the ref in what they saw. Ref's are just getting more lazy which is why it has become a serious issue.
2 notes***
if the ref thinks he saw a double hit and outcome had little to no spin then the odds of a double hit were non-existent. By the same token, if it looked clean and had some spin it was most likely clean. My back sets all had some spin on them everytime
if the ref thinks he saw a double and there is spin on the ball then it was a double, or if no spin a very lucky second hit.
Yesss you posted a long vid ❤😊😊
The point of the old rule, was not to limit the game flow or entertainment. It has always been about limiting the number of contacts per side. 3 is the magic number. Just like with the change of the first-contact rule introduced years ago, there is always a slippery slope. Will it now be legal to contact the ball with one hand and then one foot? Where is the line between a “double” and a player contacting the ball twice in a row, which is still illegal. It’s still a judgment call. Bad rule changes due to a loss of skills training across the board doesn’t make for better volleyball.
In the Netherlands this rule is already in place. Works just fine. The only downside is that the ref can allow a double based on the situation ( difficult/bad pass, or setter has to work very hard to set a bal). Now that is pretty subjective and therefore not always clear for the players. However a second ball over the net into the other field must be played correctly. No double touch allowed.
In New England, I believe our organization will be adopting the rule in. I'm just not sure when.
I welcome it - especially because the tournaments we compete in are "friendly" tournaments, so players have to ref when they're off.
me personally i have a taste for setting to weird spikers, once they develop that weird way of playing we'll get about 2 or 3 points because the opponents don't even know what happened and would take a few attempts for them to adjust
Does the spin stay on the ball after the hitter sends the ball over the net?
I got called 9 times in a set, lost my mind, punched the floor and broke my hand. Finished the tournament with a gimped hand and didn't get called again that tournament...
man you prob the best thing on my fyp
8:03
nice set :D its so beautiful
I agree, but Ive been taught as a ref myself, that a spinning ball has NEVER been a direct sign for a double contact. I personally have pretty much consitent sets, but my left arm is a bit stronger in some sets (im right handed lol) and therefore even at the same time of contact with different strengh it applies a bit of spin to many balls i play. Have i often been called out for a double? Hell nah. Do i play 3rd League? Hell nah. But i think the rule change should be good for you women over there and i wish you a great day and good recieves.
As a ref I call 99% of my doubles on non-setters. Watch the hands-first to see if the ball was touched twice then verify with a spin but even then be 100% sure before blowing it down. I've watched clean handsets and then looked at the ball to see a forward spin, that is not a double but most times it is called a double. I know this because when I don't call it, I hear from the fans, coaches, and players, "It's a Double"! LOL. So This new rule will be one less thing on our plates to police and I'm all for that. Keep the ball moving.
I agree with everything you said.
International and pro already don’t call them anymore which allows setters to be way more creative. This allows for more exciting plays for the viewer. They can take risks because they don’t have to worry about it being so clean if body position is a bit off etc. I wish they would have ditched this years ago!
I’m a very big fan about Volleyball but why are they changing rules instead of finding more ways to make it more accessible to TV viewers? Was obsessed of watching Japan Men’s Volleyball team play with other countries. And lastly, dude, I’m also a fan of hair.
My teammate who keeps double touching: “Welp! At least I won’t have to worry if I’m going pro!”
As a parent of a female Volleyball player in High school and club I wish this rule change trikles down I have seen some egregious double calls even for the team duaghter is playing against and I was like that's not a double what's up with the ref. Good rule change in my opinion.
Our referee in the fkn Coed league has been so strict on doubles this season, that doesn't make any sense. Especially for club volleyball and higher levels.
When a player can't get under the ball and kicks it up to keep it in play, it could come out spinning. Why allow that if they don't allow setters double contact, it really isn't making that much of a difference.
This rule was basically penalizing the other players who aren't the main setter, and their out of system set isn't as clean.
This isn't really a change though....is it? I mean...almost no one has been calling hands as far as indoor (at most any level) in years!! I remember up reffing a tourney in 2021...like the first one post COVID...and they told me, "yo...be loose on the hands calls, it's not tight anymore". And watching NCAA and overseas club ball...they haven't been calling hands for years. And I've seen some real mangled balls. I feel this has just been the way for a while now.
not sure what part of the country you are in, or what level of play you are referencing. I coach club, and play in various leagues. Doubles are called constantly throughout play here, and in every state I have ever lived in, coached in, or played in.
by overseas club, do you mean professional league? Double is called in professional all the time. On the other hand, carrying is seldom called in professional.
Isn't a lift also based on the ref because there is no strict criteria
❤ great commentary
As a long-time coach, from NCAA D1 Men's to currently coaching girl's club, I can see both sides of it, I hate the loss of aesthetics, the beauty of a Dusty Dvorak or Bebeto (Brazil) set, was something to behold. But, as someone who refereed HS for a few years, I wish this had happened throughout the sport back then. Trying to set the ball handling level was nearly impossible at times. Do you whistle a team with bad mechanics off the court (nothing worse for everybody to end every point with a ball-handling call)? Are you penalizing the better team if you don't do it? I never favored a team. I called what I saw. But, because I worked for one club, parents/coaches, whose athletes played for a different club, swore that I favored my club's players in ball-handling decisions. I liked making the extra $ but, in the end, the emotional tension wasn't worth it. Removing the subjective decisions on ball-handling would have made it so much better. The ONLY reason for officiating is for no team to gain an unfair advantage, period. The job of an official would be so much easier if all levels would remove subjective ball-handling decisions.
Mate if you master the spinning set it is godly
Makes the recievers life hell
All this reminds me the "much ado about nothing" adage. Good refs know when they see a double and good setters know when they did it and how to avoid it. However, changing the rule to allow a double is pretty much ridiculous. Relaxing a rule always introduces sloppiness.
If the intent is to be more forgiving on an attempted set, why does it allow contact "more than once with any part of the body in a single attempt on a team's second contact when the ball is played to a teammate." Under this rule a player could pancake an errant pass, not make another move and have the ball go up in the air and bounce off their head, then another teammate could play the ball over. It's a far fetched example and not likely, but now legal if the second player only made a single attempt at the ball. The rule should have directly addressed an attempted set, which is the cited problem, not expanded to "any part of the body."
Well as a player I was more agitated that it was only gor women😅
Please stop the no-advantage nonsense. I am a setter for 40 years. Countless times I switch to underhand setting because I am not in position to be sure to overhand set without doubling it. And a lot a lot players cannot back set without doubling it. With this rule, all the sudden they can expand their options without perfecting their skill. You don't call that an advantage?
Exactly right here. People need to think about all aspects if this rule change, not only the ones where it's convenient to argue that it won't be an advantage.
Being a medicre setter does not give you an advantage. You can expand your options by perfecting your skills. Work hard and become a better setter.
@@AlfonsoLopez-pb4xn Yes it does. When the rules are relaxed, athleticism would trump over skill and coaches would prefer more athletic setters even if the setters are not clean.
A "perfect" set is so easy to hit wherever you want. Doubles and spins are a mess to work with. A spinning set is essentially a carry so a setter adding spin is still a foul. I am fine with eliminating the foul for double contact on second touch unless it crosses the net. I still believe setters should train to be perfect because that will make the best offensive success. Bad sets throw off timing, sacrifices accuracy and forces hitters to adjust footwork, shoulder placement and impact angle. A sweet set rises like a shining full moon radiating angels rays pointing towards all the possibilities.
I am not a setter but it is not that bad because its onl second contact and it if you double it and it goes over you won't get the point
Being a referee, you are wrong in saying that it is a call based on results of an action. Are there some referees that call doubles based on spin, yes. But most do not. I would never call based on spin, but rather, when I actually saw a double contact. Most of my USAV referees do the same. We are well trained and work hard to make consistent calls. If this rule change is based on inconsistent calls, then there is a training issue and not a skill issue.
Switching sides. The rule should be changed to mention a physical restriction in the playing area, otherwise, stay on the same side.
I do competitive vball in college, now just casual player. I think this rules pretty good.
It needs to be incorporated all the way down. You can't hold the younger club, juniors and high school to a higher standard than NCAA.
Carry is a basketball term. illegal contact is the call for volleyball
Give it enough time and you will be the one who laments the changes in this game. You say evolve, I see more evidence that it is devolving. But, I still love the game and will not complain about the changes, since I can't do anything to influence them. Just wondering what the next part of the game will become victim to these "evolutions"? Will the dish from the knees become acceptable? Like your comments, keep them coming.
I love this change because in Europe (germany) the refs are calling doubles is super annoying. Instead of letting the game flow they rather interrupt a super nice rally for such a call. I understand that there is a different in calling a double touch (literally when you have two different points of contact) but calling a ball because it has spin never really felt right to me.
I think it will definitely trickle down to high school and club
"spinning as fast as this planet earth" You do know that is only one turn per day, right? Half the speed of the hour hand of an analog clock.
I wanna know why the haikyuu refs didnt call kageyama's set for atrociously spinning it
The spinning of the ball is just for animated flair. Adds a little more motion on the screen. It would look weird for the set to not move as it traveled - at least in animation it would.
The ball can spin from a single hit on the gym floor- did the gym double?! Always a stupid way to judge anyway
Frankly I believe that if you put a high speed camera on those finger sets all players in the last 20 years have been carrying the ball.Just watching I say its easy to see.Big reason Volleyball ranks right up their with Curling.Well aside from the bathing suits the sport would be dead.No setting with your fingers and watch the sport flourish.Why this has not been addressed is criminal.
I STRONGLY disagree with “the game of volleyball is evolving!” Comment. As a player for 40 years the sport required you to put in the effort to play at a high competitive level. Now sideout is pointless, it only forces a team to rotate rather than earn the serve so you could EARN points. Since I’m talking about serving how about hitting the net on your serve… if you’re LUCKY it rolls over the net , before luck wasn’t a factor (just saying). And now let’s dumb the game down even more by not requiring the setter to be capable of using two parts of their body (ie left and right hand) as 1???? What’s next if you make a bad pass and the ball bounces off your arms and hit hoping the chin that’s ok?! I watch my kids playing this game now and the level of play has fallen off a LOT. From a fan point view… these rules aren’t making it more enjoyable. From a player perspective why try, when someone with less talent can do the same as someone who practices and plays as much as possible? EXPECT skill, REQUIRE skill… the game wasn’t broke until the “fixed” it
I thought I was the only one who felt this way. I'm glad there's at least one other person. And I really hate thrown tips.
They sure are not calling doubles in PVL, all the ouside hitters sure doooo like it!! About time
Poor setters who have perfected ball contact just to avoid the shame of doubling. RIP to excellent sets
Do you know that Philippines change the Volleyball landscape and becomes a competitive sports,, Filipino player's created the Receive, Set and Spike..hope I'm right ✌️
I hope FIVB will also change this rule. It's plain stupid.
Serve receive is the hardest volleyball skill to learn not setting (although setting is definitely up there) y’all can fight me over it
Yet they allow people coming under the net...(yes, stepping on the line & over) b/c it allows more entertaining play. Lol... straight up dangerous play in my book, and for what?
Agree 100%
The text font in the vid looks like the font in Fortnite and now i can’t unsee it 😭
(I’m not a Fortnite kid I swear. My brother is tho)
"....usually.....almost always...."
3:45 not to be a massive nerd but the earth doesn't spin too fast. It takes 24 hours to make a full rotation.
couldn't you just one hand set yourself and then hit? that's still technically allowed right?
The new rule says you can only double if playing the ball toward your teammates. If the ball goes over the net, double will get called.
@@sjsupa It's also two separate attempts to play the ball.
@@haroldbrooks9821true
Your voice all the start 😭😭
The refs have been callimg double set in my boys' high school games.
Nah they just have some lazy ref's that don't look into rules properly.
lets say there is an ovbious double and the ref called it even after the rule change would you be mad? i was.