Why is the UK Refusing to Return the Parthenon Marbles to Greece?
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- čas přidán 9. 04. 2021
- Brexit was a messy affair. And that animosity is playing out in a long running dispute between the UK and EU over the Parthenon Marbles. The Ancient Greek relics date back more than 2,400 years, and are now housed at the British museum. Greece has demanded their return but the UK says the artifacts are staying in London. And it’s not the first time the UK has refused to return what many call, looted treasures.
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Fun fact: if Britain returned all of the stuff they looted during colonization times, there wouldn't be much left in so-called "museums" in Britain.
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Fun fact : fire is hot and water is wet
British looted from all the colonies but looted wealth from India made them rich
@Divine Connection ... India was a jewel in the crown of British empire... when British came, the GDP of India was 27% and when they left the GDP was minus one percent
Εμείς δεν ήμασταν αποικία τους 🤷.
Looted museum
Also artifact stolen from India.....this are things that belong to a people that high lights their culture and art.....
Like most museums?
It was saved from Muslim destruction like in iraq mosel isis days !!
By brought by the UK ambassador who spoke to the king to save them and toke them to London from Muslims of the Othman empire.. Stop hate
gives the Greeks their cultural treasures back just like all other stolen treasures. we should boycott museums that display such things in order not to give them any incentive to display these artifacts
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Is there anything the Brits havnt loot?
They haven't looted the moon yet, but idk for how long until the moon is gone
It was saved from Muslim destruction of statues like in they did in iraq mosel isis days !! By the UK ambassador in the Othman empire.. Stop hate
@@Britain99 your pfp literally a sponge bob theme. Irrelevant comment.
@@Britain99 lol spammer
Yes, we as Muslim are also demanding from Britain to return our artifacts too
Have some decency! If it wasnt for the UK and other infidel/Christian countries, muslims would still be in the middle ages
@@azzfuqrraypist9525 atleast they would be free and able to govern themselves. There was no isreal then, there was the Ummah.
@@mq5695 true but that was then and this is now.
@@azzfuqrraypist9525 look at you dumb af with out the past there is no future you do know that right
@@bigie2264 a relegion that allows slavery can never be advanced. Before Islam's golden age, it was the west that were advanced
Africa:* pats greeces shoulder*" its ok they got us too" lol
This makes me so angry I hate the British “museum”
Yes, this is enough to hate this. Greece just wants to restore Parthenon.
It was saved from Muslim destruction like in iraq mosel isis days !!
By brought by the UK ambassador who spoke to the king to save them and toke them to London from Muslims of the Othman empire.. Plus the UK is 1000 year old existing country the oldest country in the world not invaded in those thousand years play away.
There are two sets of morality in most of the world: one for the powerful, and one for the powerless.
It was saved from Muslim destruction like in iraq mosel isis days !! By the UK ambassador in the Othman empire.. Stop spreading hate
When Britain stole artefacts from another they said they are justified, when another country which is not friendly to Britain stole
(incomplete) Here: it the Brits will be badgering continuously in their media.
During the burning of the Chinese Emperor Garden in China, many objects were stolen by British soldiers, and not many were returned(possibly None). Some were even sold in the open market.
It was saved from Muslim destruction like in iraq mosel isis days !! By the UK ambassador in the Othman empire.. Stop hate
It's getting unacceptable. The Parthenon is undergoing restoration and it needs the originals in order to complete the temple, especially as use as a reference point to how to reproduce the quality of it at the main site. There is no reason why the BA can't maintain replicas instead and return the originals. In the past the might of Greece would've seen a reason to go to full scale war over something like this.
I believe they have plaster copies of the originals currently in the UK. Therefore, they're able to use those for the restoration if need be. I believe the originals currently in Greece are permanently kept in a museum overlooking the Parthenon. So, the temple is never going to be fully "complete". With that said, these pieces are not the UK's history to admire and reflect on; they're Greece's. And as such, they belong to the Greeks, despite whatever questionable ways the UK acquired them.
These colonial looters will never return them.
For the few ones who say that all things can be returned if the Parthenon sculptures are returned. To that I say no. Europe's museums are FULL with Greek sculptures. The biggest prized pieces in the biggest museums like Louvre and the Greek goddess Nike (to which even the brand Nike has it's name from, meaning victory) are a testimony to this. But even though it's best to have them all in Greece, but Greek civilization is truly among all of us like no other civilization. As Greek civilization and it's roots of sciences, democracy, laws, and so so many things that is now part of our modern day societies, Greek civilization is truly massively important till this very day. Nobody makes Pyramids as a house, and nobody makes ziggurats for example.
So in general I am understanding of why thousands and thousands of Greek artifacts among countries all around the globe has a value in celebrating Greek civilization which we ALL benefit from. However. The Parthenon sculptures are another thing. They hold great importance to Greece and they were stolen. I am sure many more things got stolen, to which Greece will not make a claim on. But this is documented as being stolen, and the parthenon frieze sculptures are PART of the Parthenon and it's other half of sculptures that resides in the wonderful Acropolis museum.
What about all the art and artifacts stolen by romans and greeks in antiquity? The romans stole an ENTIRE OBELISK from Egypt.
@@meep3035 What did Greeks steal?
@@stelios5314 im sure its countless, you really don’t think greeks didn’t bring any artifacts from egypt to greece especially after establishing colonies in Egypt. The romans did it with a whole obelisk.
@@meep3035 The Greek museums are about 95% filled with Greek artifacts (if not more). Its not rational to compare museums like the Brittish one, with museums like the National Archaeological museum of Athens. The Egyptian collection of the National Archaeological museum of Athens is consisted of donations of Greek collectors that were permanently living in Egypt, but also from donations from the Egyptian government, and only some that were found by excavations inside the Greek territory. So the collections arrived in Athens not from the ancient times, but in the 19th century. I didnt found any proof that they were claimed illegally, and Egypt has made no complaints about that either. So, its just not the same.
@@stelios5314 you’re right, but same can’t be said about italy. Also lets be honest here lots of these artifacts in the British Museum would have not been discovered or even destroyed or looted and sold on black market if it was for Britain preserving them. To deny that would be highly disingenuous.
Every artifact should be returned to its original country where it should be displayed in its rightful place in the museum.
You do realize most of the artifacts would have been destroyed or looted if it wasn’t for the british empire. Do you know how many things were stolen by greeks and romans in antiquity? Countless. The romans stole an entire obelisk from Egypt.
@@meep3035 Please shut up...The British Empire was full of liars...thieves manipulators and narcissists hence the British Hisory Museum...Do your research or did you BLINDLY follow all your history teachers words in a British school
Come and get it!
@@Britain99 ok thief
Return Our Looted Kohinoor Diamond
I was just to the Acropolis Museum. According to a guide there, the British Museum said they wouldn't return the Elgin marbles because there was nowhere to put them. So the Acropolis Museum was built and the British Museum still refuses to return them.
Give The Marbles Back !
Bless Greece and Palestine!
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@@lol-pw7ir Palestine is against Greece tho
@@idkmyname7211 wrong do some research
@@kostas1812 Είναι τρολ εβραίος.
If British museum began to return item will be close down almost immediately..
notice turkey didn't mention it's role in the Parthenon marbles ending up it Britain
Hahahahha true erdogan lies as usual
The British museum is to showcase what British gas stolen from other countries
A museum with the best collection of stolen items in the world
Still the best collection in the world and one of the best museums. And it's free to visit
@@JJaqn05 actually I visited and lately is very neglected they where water running from the ceiling and they where keeping some stuff cold with electric fans it doesn’t actually show any of the stolen stuff in all their glory is miserable
@@chrisichatzimichail9444 Sure you did
@@JJaqn05 I’m from europe do you think it’s hard to go to the uk ? Bruh you sad google it and see the Elgin where also locked for months bc of water leaks so pls do your research
@@chrisichatzimichail9444 So you just went when the Museum was working on things? That's just stupid
Shameless looters
It was saved from Muslim destruction like in iraq mosel isis days !!
By brought by the UK ambassador who spoke to the king to save them and toke them to London from Muslims of the Othman empire.. Plus the UK is 1000 year old existing country the oldest country in the world not invaded in those thousand years play away.
When you don't have a history than you steal other peoples history
It was saved from Muslim destruction like in iraq mosel isis days !!
By brought by the UK ambassador who spoke to the king to save them and toke them to London from Muslims of the Othman empire.. Plus the UK is 1000 year old existing country the oldest country in the world not invaded in those thousand years play away.
cha kab i am fromngreece but i dont agree
They do have a history. A history of looting. It's in their blood - even Queen Mary was labelled a kleptomaniac!
Always a looter - Britain
You Indian? Look what the Mughals did
@@JJaqn05 Truth hurts tea lover?
@@comingafteryou5352 Truth hurts coffee lover?
@@comingafteryou5352 Ironic cuz Indians love tea. 🍵 lover!
@@JJaqn05 Not as much as you ;)
Thieves! Return it to Greece! Shame on you!
The whole of british museum would be empty if they returned what they stole . They have stolen several Somali artifacts during the colonial time as well.
How ignorant. The marbles were bought. But if Greece wants them back they can pay. Somalia has no right to talk about stolen artifacts when they have plenty of stolen artifacts in their country
@@JJaqn05 What are the artifacts Somalia has "stolen"?
@@JJaqn05
bought? by blackmailing? lol....
Ignorant? who exactly is ignorant? lol....
Pay back? wanna know how much money the british museum made with these marbles? lol....
as someone else wrote in the comments, if you dont have history, you steal history. So please go back to bed and be happy with your cousin.
@@Moralapostolos "bought? by blackmailing? lol....
Ignorant? who exactly is ignorant? lol....
Pay back? wanna know how much money the british museum made with these marbles? lol....
as someone else wrote in the comments, if you dont have history, you steal history. So please go back to bed and be happy with your cousin." Bro, isn't Greece the same country that went on to conquer the Persian Empire, the same empire who took over countless countries. Isn't Greece the same place that took many of the ideas from the Egyptians and other peoples and made it seem like their own? Isn't Greece the same place that wrote their own version of history to make themselves appear greater in the history books than they actually were. Gtfo with that bllshit. Greece doesn't have history, actually it does. And that history is taking other peoples ideas and making it seem their own. Britain has a much longer and richer history going thousands of years back. The Stonehenge is much older than the Pyramids of Egypt and any Greek building. My house is older than Greece lmao. And we built multiple empires, one Englishman was even a pope. You don't understand history. Its ok, we conquered half the world. Something your country was never able to achieve
@@Moralapostolos Reply back idiot
It must be during Greek war of Independence from 1821 to 1829
it was 20 years before the Greek war of indepedence.
Idk, return Constantinople back to Greece
It was never part of Greece in the first place but the Eastern Roman Empire.
Lol 😆
@@alpaslan4881 it's just like saying that Ottoman empire wasn't turkish
@@alpaslan4881 If you knew history Constantinople in ancient Greece was called Byzantium- Βυζάντιο when the greeks colonized the Mediterranean see, and during the times of Justinian, the language was officially changed by Latin to Greek, but they still considered themselves as the true Roman Empire because they hated the West after the Orthodox Katholic thing so yeah that's why it belongs to Greece from ancient times, as all Asia Minor and Anatolia
@@generalgrievous3760 Claiming Istanbul is like making claims over Marseille, Naples or Alexandria.
If you would knew history Anatolia was inhabited by Hittites and other Anatolian folks way before the first Greek settlements were build.
Parthenon's marbles should be returned to Greece, dear British Museum
The Rosetta Stone is written in 3 languages, isn't it? Because as a Greek I can read what the stone writes. Except this stone was written during the Ptolemaic dynasty of Egypt
Yes, Indonesian people also want their artifacts and manuscripts back.
thiefs, call them what they are
It was saved from Muslim destruction like in iraq mosel isis days !!
By brought by the UK ambassador who spoke to the king to save them and toke them to London from Muslims of the Othman empire.. Plus the King of Ottoman who gave them to the UK ambassador to Ottoman Empire Lord Elgin ! plus UK is a 1000 year old existing country the oldest country in the world not invaded in those thousand years play away.
Not people making the argument that the British museum will be empty if everything is returned to the rightful place JOKES let it be empty Britain should find their own history l
I was finding dificulty in reading red font
Because it’s worth a lot of money duhh
It is time to loot British Museum
I thought looting was "wrong?" Hypocrite.
Imagine if the cultural artifacts get returned, only for them to be stolen again by local robbers.
People seem to forget the fact that the marbles weren't stolen but paid for. Lord Elgin spent a fortune buying and then shipping the marbles and the authorities in Greece were all too happy to sell them. All the people going on about looted items need to get their facts straight.
The people he bought them from were Turkish occupiers who used the Acropolis as an ammunition storage. No Greek benefited from this.
Not to mention he was a terrible archaeologist. He literally demolished one of the last standing structures from antiquity (the Caryatids of the Erectheion) to truck home.
You apparently forget that Elgin DIDNT purchased the marbles of Parthenon. Stop spreading propaganda. If you claim that he bought them, then tell us for which price he also purchased them. lol.
@@timlamiam He didnt buy them from Ottomans authorities either, actually. He bribed some Ottoman guards which were in the Acropolis. This is not called as a purchase.
It was sold by the ottomans to the british
ancient greece its not a place but an idea ! This arts belongs to universe...
Thank you Turkey for discussing this
They are the ones who gave them to Lord Elgin the UK ambassador to Othman empire king lol
And the can give back all the stuff the have looted from Africa and India.
Looks like the high table has order to each country returning back each artifacts, its like preparing for the last war
Go there with the military and take them back
Look what happened in Syria Iraq when ISIS destroy all that art work. It’s not like those who are asking for there art back didn’t steal from others durning there time period when there art work was being made. So give back all the gold silver to those Nations they went into. When they do that then they should get there stuff back. Fair is fair. May it be two hundred years ago or thousands years ago. Give it back when your asking for the same.
A difference between a country that stole antiquities of the Pantheon and other antiquities, and a country that occupies the place on which the antiquities of Greece were built, and a channel comes from this occupied country and plays the role of remorse of conscience.
UK to Egypt-F off
UK to Greece- F off
UK to Greek and Egyptian tourist-welcome to London 🥰🥰
whoever wins the war, keeps the land and all belongings on the land they were fighting for, would you ask them to return back the land as well after 400 years? in that case, as a Turkish, I will have to move back to Altai Mountains region.
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Lol what? Brits didn’t even fight, they just took them because the sultan let them
Any Alex Rider novel fan here
The British should also return the Koh e nor diamond to the Sikhs because it was their heritage.
It was saved from Muslim destruction like in iraq mosel isis days !!
By brought by the UK ambassador who spoke to the king to save them and toke them to London from Muslims of the Othman empire.. Plus the UK is 1000 year old existing country the oldest country in the world not invaded in those thousand years play away.
Who win a war keeps the land and whats on it! So Pakistan should return to India too? Where will this stop?
If you remove From the British museum all stolen artifacts then we have an empty building....
You've obviously never been there.
bruh, Im a busy college student trying to do two things at once while watching this video and you are making me read
Long live Minoan civilization!
Looted uk ...
Smh Europeans stole each other as well 🤦🏿♂️
British and Germans stole from other Europeans artifacts and gold.
Brutish and thief what's the difference?
L museum W parthenon
Ha ha they looted lots of artifacts from India and world’s most valuable diamond “The Kohinoor” didn’t returned
Return our looted stuff to India
The Kohinoor was given as a gift. Now your asking for the gift back? Maybe India should return the tens of millions of pounds Britain has given it in aid for the last 70+ years.
well its true british know the value of antiques and the way to look after them....
Lootera British
UK is more capable of preserving ancient art work than current non stable regimes.
Like the UK is stable… didn’t you guys have a fight over brexit and leaving the eu? You guys can’t even know what you all want
Non stable regimes? You mean Greece? 😳
@@adri103 pathetic UK rule is a thousand year old mate and oldest existing country in the world. Play away
@@Britain99 your lies are pathetic. UK is not even close to be the oldest modern country today. Check your facts
Ask the owners first. We don’t need you to save us. Colonial rats
This is the price the Brits charge for sending military and aid to help the Greeks have their country in the first place. Without the British initiative Lausanne or Sevres there wouldnt even be a thing called “Greece”.
But it will always be greek DNA in millions of turkified people,how much turk you are?
@@ApaleutosMits not really, greeks are Balkan natives. Anatolia is Hittite, Luwian, Hurrian blood. Greeks forcedully assimilated those, and even other tribes like Thracians and Phoenician. check your dna, how greek are you?
Well well the British were against the revolution until 1826 and they started to help us in 1826 when the revolution has already established
@@Xarriable Greeks are not Balkan natives, their origins can be traced back to mesopotamia. Also, the marbles were taken 20 years before the greek war of independence and had nothing to ever do with any sort of aid.
@@xgkotkot42 are you crazy? The Proto Greek tribes which formed the Greek people of today originate in modern day Greece. There are some assimilation products and genetic variation that entered the bloodline but their origins arent relevant as they are considered greek today.
They are on safe hands and displayed very profesionaly (not to worry)
British Museum is FREE to everyone (not like most countries)
About 20 000 visitors a day…
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Why did Greeks forget that the British saved their country and helped them.
How? By overpaying the loans till today?
So does that mean they can steal one of their ancinet articrafts?
Give them to turkey
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That makes sense, since turkey is Greece.
Looted museum
Look what happened in Syria Iraq when ISIS destroy all that art work. It’s not like those who are asking for there art back didn’t steal from others durning there time period when there art work was being made. So give back all the gold silver to those Nations they went into. When they do that then they should get there stuff back. Fair is fair. May it be two hundred years ago or thousands years ago. Give it back when your asking for the same.
So you are saying stealing is right because everyone does it? Alright when a thief comes into your house and steals your car and tv he can justify ir by saying that.
@@Lvisredalintwo wrongs never make a right. So they should also give back all that gold and silver they took from thousands of years ago also.
@@joey0077d1000 years can't compare to over a centuries ago
@@Lvisredalin yes you can. If you stole 1000 years ago is no different then stealing 100 years ago. As you want your stuff back then give back what you have stolen too. Only right to do so. You want back but don’t see what you have taken.
@@joey0077d You are still saying that stealing is right because everyone does it. Justifying a wrong doing with another wrong doing is not the way. Return what can be returned.