Nuclear weapons and Wagner in Belarus: A threat to Ukraine and NATO? | To the Point
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- Could Russia’s disarray mean gain for Ukraine? Although its counteroffensive has made slow progress, morale rose following the failed march on Moscow by the Wagner group, whose brutal tactics have spilled much Ukrainian blood. The longer-term fate of Wagner’s mercenaries could well be decided in neighboring Belarus, where the Group’s leader and thousands of its forces appear to have set up camp. That’s not the only threat Belarus is housing: to the consternation of eastern European NATO Members, Russia is also deploying tactical nuclear weapons there - with explicit approval from Belarus’ autocratic leader Alexander Lukaschenko. So we’re asking: Nuclear Weapons and Wagner in Belarus: A threat to Ukraine and NATO?
Our guests:
Carlo Masala, Military expert and Professor of International Politics at the Bundeswehr University in Munich and Member of the NATO Defence College
Maryna Rakhlei, German Marshall Fund
Maxim Samorukov, Carnegie Russia Eurasia Center
Chapters
00:00 Ukraine is only at the beginning of its counter-offensive
03:20 It is too early to say the counter-offensive has failed
05:40 Lukashenko is back on the international stage
06:30 The role of Yevgeny Prigozhin
09:00 Is Wagner preparing to open a second front in Ukraine?
10:00 Wagner lost access to money and weapons
10:35 Prigozhin’s approval rates in Russia
11:40 Militias in Russia are financed by the state
12:20 Will Wagner be renamed?
14:30 Is Belarus a vassal state of Russia?
17:00 Nuclear weapons in Belarus
19:50 A NATO membership for Ukraine is not on the table
22:10 Lukashenko’s claim - a stronger NATO eastern front threatens global security?
24:59 The biggest danger Lukashenko poses is to his own people
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Love how mentioning blackrock makes everyone uncomfortable on any news channel 😄
Long live Mother Russia! For Vorkuta!
@@phoenixzappa7366you support a terrorist state that's killing civilian - we know who you are
@@phoenixzappa7366 Okay ... what's a "Vorkuta"?(Is it a place, something you drink, wipe with, or do you pet it?
@@johnhough4445
The numbers Mason! For Makarov
Von der lein is abortionist...
Kiled hundreds of children...
She is born killer...
Isn't it amazing how Russia dares deploy nuclear weapons to the borders of the EU / NATO (in Belarus) and russophiles don't say a word. But can you imagine how Russia would react if NATO deployed nuclear weapons to a country bordering Russia (like the Baltic states or Norway) and how loud russophiles would be, claiming that's a provocation. Russia can start a war when it "feels threatened" but NATO is somehow supposed to stay silent when nuclear weapons are put on its doorstep. NATO should consider ANY action from Belarus from now on as an act of war, even if it is only against Ukraine.
We should give nukes to Ukraine
Von der lein is abortionist...
Kiled hundreds of children...
She is born killer...
From the start of this war Belarus has allowed Russia to attack Ukrainian civilians almost daily from Belarusian territory they invaded Ukraine from Belarus territory and all this other stuff they're doing and have yet to declare war, I mean Belarus is just as culpable as Russia is at this point and should be dealt with just the same. The Belarusian military only has about 30,000 men and could be wiped out in three days by a capable force. And Wagner wants no part of fighting NATO they already tried that in Syria against the US Marines and got mangled losing two whole battalions with only 37 survivors that were sent to Guantanamo.
USA don't need any "mobilization" of our nukes... We can hit any target in the world within 5 to 15 min.
They deploy on their own territory, they own weapons 😂 No? Other countries don't have this weapon, just allow allocation.
So I think you do not really understand the idea 😂
But I honestly think they don't bother. Let's all deploy our nuclear weapons on the border and press the button in the end.
In another world, we will say what truth was on our side 😂
Thanks for sharing!
Good discussion.
Also nice to know that an investment company isn't engaged in military operations. lol
Well . . . not yet, anyway. It's been a wild decade so far . . .
The look on the other’s faces, at 22:53, when Carlo calls Lukashenko “Putin’s Poodle”,
🇧🇾🐩 🧌🇷🇺
🤣👍🏼
Very good panel, interesting discussion!
Is this a delayed telecast????? Why they don't know????
If only Ukraine had gotten NATO membership way back in 2008. I disagree with the panel and think NATO will get a very firm response to its accession. Obviously there will be a caveat regarding the current war but Ukrainian leadership understands this. I think Europe is aware of the huge price Ukraine is paying and the debt that is owed.
Nato membership would not stop this action by Russia. EU will not risk its cities for Ukraine or any other ex soviet state.
Lukashenko does not trust his own army so it was natural for the Belarusian leader to try and shore up his security by using mercenaries. Whether Wagner has enough troops to actually attack Ukraines northern border is doubtful. Belarus has already been warned that an attack on Ukraine would bring Polish forces to aid in Ukraines defense
Which means another meat grinder for Polish people, ask anyone in Poland right now are they ready to die because of some proxy Ukraine war and you will understand disconnection between people and military complex.
This talk about Wagner in Belarus is all pure BS. Prigozhin won't even listen to Putin, much more to Lukashenko. And besides, Lukashenko already confirmed that Prigozhin didn't accept his offer and leaks show he is staying in Krasnodar.
Stealing children is probably one of the lowest and most sinister things you can do.
This was one of the best panels, really good flow in the conversation.
I think the nuclear weapons are posturing at best, and whilst sure it's not going to shake up security planning, it almost seems like its nearing the final nail in the coffin for Belarusian "independence". One step closer to just being absorbed into the state of Ruzzia.
Will Russia be Held accountable for this. Nuclear disaster which is about to happen???
Lukashenka said on CNN interview that Wagner isn't in Byelorussia? That Prigozhin's in St' Petersburg.
Also there are no Wagner forces in Belarus. 😂
And that he win reelection with 80% of the vote.😂😂
Said that one day, said a different thing the next. Prigozhin might be moving or we just shouldn't take anything that Putin and Lukashenko say at face value. They don't hesitate to lie for whatever current situation is on their mind.
Please have the three of them on your show again. I found it very interesting to hear from ACTUAL experts.
A GROWING threat to those in Belarus that want the dictator out . These mercenaries will be used if there are further demonstrations.
No threat at all. You should get it right. Nobody now in the east is afraid of Europe and America who have very weak weapons and economy ( especially in view of the high cost energy and the raising american national debt).
Ukraine needs to take their time. Because the seasons change and the ground conditions change. Its best to make more gains closer to fall and winter. Its easier to defend in those conditions. Naturally Ukraine must make slow incremental gains in order to save their soldiers lives
"Its best to make more gains closer to fall and winter"...yes...corpses stink less...
If it really was a threat, more nations would be pushing for peace.
How many more days,months do you need?
NATO and US can not function without Ukraine so important become....
Ive alwasy found the dramatic music in the background really really annoying and it goes on way to long and detracts from the opening statements.
You Germans should know from the Eastern Front that Belarus is the balcony over Ukraine
And you should know there is no way wagner can do something russia tried with 50k troops and didnt even reach the city proper, no way belarus can reach anywhere close with 25k men into heavily fortified positions ukraine has set up
Let's not forget that Europe, Ursula Van Der Keyen and therefore the EU, the U.S. State Department, etc. WANTED disarray in Russia. That was their goal.
🚨 for the fact that "they" "the powers that be" Can NOT keep track of the Movements of this Dangerous Group ((SHOULD BE ALARMING))🚨
Mein Herz brennt!
*Russia🇷🇺 still occupied oblast Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhia, Kherson, Crimea.*
Russia must end occupation & Keep Peace!
NOTE:
I’ve never eaten Blood sausage in my life, I never had the desire too, and I never will.
What’s the difference if the nukes was lunch from Kaliningrad or in Russia territory. Having it affect you in Belarus is just physiological.
yeah nukes have a bit of a physiological effect 😁
@@DeusUltraviolaceus not at all allowing a country oppress people because they have nukes is terrorism and unacceptable at every level. Ukraine will continue fight for their country regardless of Russia "Physiological game", and we will continue support Ukraine, west also has nukes and can play the physiological game with Russians therefore Russia will in fact never dare use them, no matter where they place them because know we will act accordingly
Thank you for bringing a rational view of these dramas of ssPutin.
Vagner in Africa and in Belarus and the purpose in both cases for preserving autocracy
intro/outro beat is nonsense, thank for good content.
I love the bluntness of Eastern Europeans in this panel. They don't have filters like the western Europeans who are focused on sugar coating everything they say. Lmao
No. Not a threat. But they'd like everyone to think so.
Wagner in Belarus housing Tactical Nukes. You left out the third faze Ramzan Akhmadovich Kadyrov who openly called for use of Nuclear Weapons.
The scenario you describe is a very dangerous one. If Wagner, Kadyrov, and Lukashenko were to get together and use nuclear weapons, it would have catastrophic consequences. The use of nuclear weapons would likely lead to a nuclear war, which could potentially destroy the world.
It is important to remember that nuclear weapons are not toys. They are incredibly destructive weapons that should only be used as a last resort. If they were to be used, the consequences would be unimaginable.
I hope that the three men you mentioned will not do anything rash. The use of nuclear weapons would be a disaster for everyone involved.
Here are some additional thoughts on the matter:
* Wagner is a private military company that is known for its brutality. They have been accused of war crimes in Syria and other countries.
* Kadyrov is the leader of Chechnya, a Russian republic. He is a close ally of Putin and has been accused of human rights abuses.
* Lukashenko is the president of Belarus. He is a dictator who has cracked down on dissent in his country.
These three men are all dangerous individuals who have shown a willingness to use violence. If they were to get together and use nuclear weapons, it would be a major escalation of the conflict in Ukraine.
It is important to remember that nuclear weapons are not the only way to win a war. There are other, more peaceful ways to resolve conflict. I hope that these three men will choose the path of peace and avoid using nuclear weapons.
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The Wagner walk on Moscow was likely a show for Russia to be able to move 25,000 solders. Poland or German could do the same if they wanted to play this game. An unheard of groupe from either country that was somewhere else has returned to Ukrain. Their special forces.... can't tell difference in the looks of the men. Especially Poland... Simply just say they are the whatever you wanna name them group lol
💙💛Glory to the Heroes! ✌ russia will fall, it is inevitable, resistance is futile!
Is Belarus going to be the new partner, via Wagner, joining the war from the north of Ukraine? Putin possibly involving Belarus whether the citizens of that country like it, or not. Luka needs to go!
That camp needs to be HIMARSed and be done with it
One solution: Show unity.
Unity" = bending over for Ursilla.
Last I checked the war is still going on
So if I understand more or less correctly, Wagner is no more a significant entity as such, but all of its weapons are now available to the Russian MOD and it is logical to assume that a good portion of its manpower is available for fighting in Ukraine. From what we know for sure, the rebel column made it to Rostov, filled up with ammo and beelined back to Ukraine totally unhindered. Prygozhyn has "disappeared", Surovikin "arrested" but we're not really sure, are we? So I would not be surprised if Russia launched a last ditch offensive in the East, during which any hint of operational success would be soon followed by the reappearance of both these clowns on the scene, restored as heroes. As for Putin's demise, it could be that his dame is to avoid the Hague by making like he is responsible for nothing after all... he has been fed wrong information from the start, you see. Most notably, he ostensibly made himself a clown internationally by publicly listing patently fictional purported Ukrainian losses on the ground. Total control under the cover of a projected unsurmountable weakness, that' what seems to be Putin's smallest Matryoshka doll.
Id say a technical nuke lanched at Ukraine would make Wagners gang would be a target for a tactical nuke to get rid of the whole 25,000 loose cannons running around along with Russia will lose that land for arming them.
If they would use nuclear weapons,. They would have already
How many times will they say it ?
They're not that evil to use an atomik b.... On another country
Maybe threat number 396 will finally be serious 😂
@@First-Last_nameroblem is you're taking a loaded threat as a joke, and im guess you're one of the jesters that would drop your jaw and tuck tail should they ever go through with it.
This isn't a joke.
Redneck thinking is like so macho. lmao
@@casval-pj5tb I'd shrug 🤷♂️ I've lived a good life. You cry wolf enough and people treat you like a clown. 🤡
💥 pipeline, miss guided missile, breaking dam.
Thread to the world and not just to ukranian
Glory ukraine🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦❤❤❤❤🎉🎉
It will s a matter of when nuclear weapons will be deployed.
No
Almost of western Europeans are all war experts when they explain and yet they are lossing to Russia in Ukraine war .
Belarus cannot possess nuclear weapons unless it declares itself as a nuclear state.
Russian nukes and Fuckner(Wagner group)......Belarus safer now more than ever... The Anglo-saxons can not now at all attempt any military adventure against this best ally of Russia....
😂
good luck fighting off russians from Belarusian land..
Since when did the West want Belarus.. what would it provide... Sure the majority of Belusians don't want Lukashenko.. they proved that before he asked Putin to help keep him in power with military force.. very nice way to treat your citizens.. and now he says the Wagner boss must be in Saint Petersburg, or Moscow.. possibly detained in Belarus for all we know.
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@@carlose6010the west wants to surround Russia, if it could get Belarus as its puppet, it would.
The blond guy on the far left is almost completely off the mark.
*Can we take a moment to appreciate how much work he puts into these videos for us 😍*
Let's appreciate these paid liers.
You mean the Russians? Yes, they are all great liars.
@@chris-hg3ivBest paid liar in the world is Putin. Think about that while you improve your spelling, comrade.
@@stehlik BBC and mainstream media.You're already brainwashed beyond consolation so I don't blame you mate.
Break out the nukes Vlad. Let's get this show on the road.
Let’s just go to war
russia said the same about nato and ukraine and the world says they are crazy
now they are complaing about wagner and belarus
who is fooling who
Lukashenko is paying fire 🔥 and will lead to immolation 😂😂😂😂😂🎉
I wonder who is this Carlo Masala and who is he receiving his paychecks from. He is veeery laid back and all "flower power" when it comes to Russia and the threat to world peace it poses right now.
First find whose cocaine is in the white house😂
Some good multi-view points. Let's just hope the next panels doesn't have to discuss why holding a NATO summit in Lithuania was a bad idea. Wagner could easily infiltrate the summit.
What in the world is Lithuania?
@@Exxperiment626 A country in the Baltic region.
@@Exxperiment626 You didn't think to Google that, BEFORE typing the question here? Oh dear lord! Darwin was right!
120 km from Minsk. Only fools can arrange the summit there.
West Papua rebels threaten to shoot New Zealand pilot. 😢 The world doesn't know West Papua rebel crimes.
Welcome to the one side opinion
No threat. Wagner is done.
Wagner is only starting
@@allines6470 cope
Murdered murks 😮
Murkywater
I agree nuke deployment doesn't really change anything. It is posturing- if it actually has happened at all.
But i disagree with wagner precence is not a new level of threat. They are in Belarus for a reason. And the whole thing with the march on Moscow, have resemblance of a russian maskirovka. Im not yet convinced Wagner is truly out in the cold. Ukraine is watching this, and i think they are well adviced to do so.
Ukrainians need to just HIMARS that camp, problem solved.
They are without their heavy weapons and in far fewer number than the initial first attack from the north that failed.
So try again later with fewer soldiers and weapons?
Also now the Ukraine military is prepared and in war mode
@@tomlxyz those weapons can be provided. And who.said it will be fewer, or few enough not to pose a problem? All that are assumptions.
@@torehaaland6921 go research what the US Marines did to Wagner in Syria.
INsane in the membrane....
Of course it is a threat!!! Everything is a threat ..im shocked!!!! Its ........ another crisiiiiiiiiis!!!
Every sanction possible should be applied to Belarus and the muppet lukashenko.
Who’s running this narrative, oh please, this may mean as serve as proof
You will it, no you actually don’t
have the power
I do
Only I
Why don't you call them terrorists like western media portray Afghan forces as terrorists.....
Or Wagner, Belarusian and Ukrainian could be part of the offensive defense against Putin 🎉
No chance. Wagner committed multiple warcrimes and killed (and were killed by) Ukrainians just weeks ago. And while some of Belarus' people may be pro-Ukraine, Lukashenko isn't. He'd need to be ousted for that to even be possible, and even that is no guarantee of Putin can help it. The closest thing we'd come to what you describe is a three-way war.
Answer: No.
That counteroffensive was for the internet 👌💯😂🤣😂
A threat to nato? no, not what so ever. Wagner has already been destroyed once by the US airforce/Himars systems.
24.02.2022 зупиніть війну, яку ви почали владимир путін
If Belorussian forces dared to enter the war, it would be hard to hold Poland back given the BS games going on at their border.
poland definitely wouldn't enter if Belarus joins and Belarus only would enter if they were attacked first because his leadership would be challenged if he had no reason
Poland? Hahaha. Without EU funding and NATO projection, they would be a city in Western Russia.
Poland will be wipe out.
Nuclear weapons in Belarus means NATO's nuclear weapons pointing at Belarus in response...
Why so paranoid?
No, need nor desire.
Dropping nukes that close to other NATO countries would be undesirable.
The effective deterrent is going to be Moscow, St. Petersburg and bases in Russia despite where they launch from.
Belorussian threats can be eliminated conventionally without NATO sending in ground forces.
Russia doesn't want any part of a fight with NATO or they would have attacked one of the smaller Baltic countries.
Nuklear weapons in Turkey soon just means NATO old, bad and weak missiles pointing to Turkey in response.
The abduction of children is evil!
Wagner moved to Belarus, they want to end and win this war together
Right now Ukraine need to be careful ? You don't know , maybe Putin doing ??...
Well, now Belarus has both nukes and a guy who 2 month ago said he wanted to use nukes.
It’s russia need to be careful
US nuclear weapons in europe?
But pregozen in Russia
Maybe 🤷♂️
Usa nuclear weapon on Russian border
No probleme
Russian nuclear weapon on border
Probleme
I do not get the Logik
Western media are panicking 😂
As long as ukrain has men, they are winning. Nato will keep the forever waaaaar going
NATO should be ready for Russia anytime
With Russia's performance in poor Ukraine how ready does NATO need to be ?
Proghozin is not in Belarus 🇧🇾 Lukhasenko already said it. They are discussioning about a non event
every single news outlet, including US, media, German media, UK media, Chinese media, Belarus' official media aswell as Russian media and Prigo himself, confirm that he is indeed in Belarus, which contradict your comment. :)
Nato scared 😱 so they don't want to admit Ukraine
LOL...scared because we have a 12 - 1 manpower advantage over the Orcs? Ya, we're just shakin'.
A threat to NATO 🤣🤣🤣 NATO expanded itself to Russia's border and calls Russia the threat. But you can't expect anything less from the West 🤣🤣🤣🤣. They will invade your country and call you terrorist 🤣
You still living in that bubble eh
@@anoyingnomad m at least living the live outside of lies unlike you 🤣. Who invades sovereign nations and makes video games on it glorifying yourself as heroes . And when someone else does the same you cry threat to peace 🤣. US and its major power allies can't invade Russia directly so they create alliances and used their citizens and proxies and buffer states 🤣. Because The West knows that if they invade Russia they face extinction 🤣.
We have a moral obligation to provide Ukraine with all the weapons required to protect it's people and regain it's territory. F-16's fighter jets, A-10's warthogs , Apache attack helicopters, heavy lift helicopters, Long range rockets, Long range missiles and long range artillery. and MORE ammo. Slava Ukraine.
Wagner to go after nato.Germany has something coming.
Get ready to meet next European president Mr Prigozhin!
Experts? Ha ha, you are all so naive. But oh maybes
No peace. Says nato
Wait, didn't the russkies invade a sovereign country that never attacked them? What does that say about russkies opinion of peace?
Even IF there were Russian nukes in Belarus, there's zero chance that putler would've stationed both warheads AND delivery systems in Belarus. Tactical nukes in Belarus would change nothing, except give Lukashenko leverage over putler if he had both warheads and missiles under his command.
Dream your dreams
This is old program. He is not even in Balarus.😂
he was
Should get tracker on real putin bump into him and flash done but then he'll prob kill u bump into him 😅😅😅😅,
Only a threat to NATOism and Nazism.
Who cares! Leave Wagner alone 😊
Ukraine and NATO's counteroffensive in Ukraine is failed. They had been fighting for more than five weeks or even more than the timeframe for the WW 2 They could not even break the first line of defense built by Russians. But Ukraine and NATO lost most of the western supplied weapons.