All New Dragon GTS v2 CAN IT CLIMB?!
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- čas přidán 19. 11. 2020
- Today I decided to see how well the new Dragon GTS v2 did at climbing ridiculous hills that stretch on! This one's cheaper than the GTR v2 and I think It kicks some serious ass for a budget electric scooter!
I ride wearing a full face Motor cross helmet, gloves and usually a thick jacket, I'm not taking any chances and you shouldn't either, wear some protection while riding :)
www.bikescootercity.com.au have been very kind to me lately and sent this electric scooter to me to show to all of you, as soon as it's available on the website I should have a discount code to share with you, so don't forget to subscribe and turn on notifications so you don't miss out on yours!
(Disclaimer: I do get a small kickback from BSC for you using my codes, you don't have to use them, but if you do, I greatly appreciate you supporting this channel and my crazy PEV experiments)
Thanks again BSC, I love the new GTS v2 way more than my old GTR or even my modded GTS!
Reddit: u/Forlix1 / forlix1 - Check out my posts for early access to my discount codes, there's already ones for the GT, X1, GTS, GTR and GTR v2 along with written reviews and modifications for electric scooters!
I also now make videos for BSC's website, so don't be surprised if you hear my voice while you're looking for the scooter that suits your needs!
For those of you interested in this scooter, it is now available on BSC's website (bikescootercity.com.au/collec...) and use Code: Pineapple45 to save $45 on your new Dragon!
A BIG thank you to the community over at r/ElectricScooters, without the encouragement to finally start making videos it probably would've taken me even longer to get started. Go on over there if you want a nice place to chat about your new rides!
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If you're looking for Dragon Scooter discount codes to use at BikeScooterCity.com.au;
PINEAPPLE30 - GT/X1
PINEAPPLE35 - GTS
PINEAPPLE40 - GTR
PINEAPPLE45 - GTS v2
PINEAPPLE50 - GTR v2
PINEAPPLE55 - Hunter X10 - Věda a technologie
Thanks for your review, I watched it yesterday and went and bought a GTS V2 today, I love it. I mentioned your you tube channel but the bloke who served me had never heard of it so didn’t get your discount, not worried though as its a great price and scooter. Cheers Dean
Congratulations mate!
If you'd like, Send me your name and contact number on reddit (u/Forlix) in a message and I might be able to do something about that for you ;)
@@JamiePineappleWyatt thanks, I’m happy.
Excellent honest review thank you
My pleasure!
FELLOW CAIRNS MAAAAN. Love the scooter and keep it up because you are officially cool.
Great ride, I watched this just after I bought a Dragon GTR v2 and it was useful to see. Have a couple of months using the v2 and can do most with it including steep hills in the inner city of Sydney. Shame about this PH****NG lockdown or I would have more time up on it but its a ton of fun.
Great to hear mate!
So today I popped this thing open finally, hooked up the front motors regen braking and disabled all PAS by disconnecting the Red jumper cables on the controllers.
Going fo r atest ride later today to see what it can really be like riding this thing fully unlocked with better electronic brakes!
If you do this, prepare for a rather violent braking experience, if you're not prepared to brake when you hit that lever (adjusting your stance) it WILL shift you quite a bit. Does however pretty well remove the need for brakes at all though, stopping quickly is not an issue at all!
Hey buddy I bought the scooter and she's a rocket, I'm very happy and thanks for your advice, you helped me buy it with the weight recommend, thanks.
Not a problem at all, I hope you enjoy jt!
Nice vid, just got mine 10 days ago, delivery people said there was 6 in Cairns that day, most impressive going up Toogood rd, that vision doesn't do it justice of how steep the incline actually is... Helmet cam vision helps as how and where I will set up my 3 cameras for a video (more casual speed for me bro) I'll be doing the beaches next few sunny days.. cheers I subbed
Cheers man, I have a mount for the gopro on the right side of the helmet on the jaw (I ride with a fullface) lets me sit the camera right infront of my mouth and the mic just fits under my chin, using a cheap joby mini mic. Best thing for shots though is a tripod doing wide angles, I wish you could see the scooter more in it.
A cdhest mounted go-pro might be abetter option all together though as thats what I see other uploaders like Alien Rides doing ;)
Keen to see how hard the GTS v2 rips vs the GTR v2, had the opportunity to ride one the other day and I need to do a proper "race" to stack them up against eachother properly. Let me know if you're up for the challenge ;)
On my way to pay off some money on the dragon GTS v2 and then next week I just have to pay somewhere around $200 on Tuesday morning and then I can ride my dragon GTS v2 back home hehe And words cannot describe how excited I am
wish you luck mate, i get the rest of my moneys together next week for it !!
wow you are nuts on those hills......but now I want one!!! haha
I've had a lot more fun since, Brisbane had massive hills to conquer and that little X10 never let me down once
They don't sell the dragons over here in Perth, I'm thinking the Dragon v2 GTS as that one your on looks to powerful. Hopefully rhe postage won't be a deal breaker. Even your video with the V2 looks super powerful.
@@TheDeadwoods-pl3yo you should have a look a the video I have of the X10 doing the same hill, it was only slightly slower on the hill, but I was even heavier on that ride.
There will be a few retailers around your area for that one most of the likes (Bolzzen, Zero 10X) are the same thing, and might come close in price after shipping and is honestly a much, much better scooter ;)
Great video 👍
Thanks Tony!
@@JamiePineappleWyatt where was that, Cairns, Gordonvale , Edmonton, and after your video I'm getting one but I'm 110kgs, will this get me up a hill okay, cause my 800 watt gmax dies when it hits a hill, let me know buddy 52 years old and it's fun🤣🤣
@@tonyelberg7814 I think I actually mentioned my exact weight in that video, (I was around 120kg), so youll be fine (this video is for the 1600w dual motor GTS v2 so climbing isnt really a problem for it, dual motor scooters have considerably higher torque than single motor ones) the gmax itself really doesnt have a lot of go in comparison.
That was Toogood Rd in Woree, Cairns. Its incredibly steep to the point that the camera does not do it justice at all.
Keep in mind that the dragon G series scooters are pretty harsh on acceleration and braking, its a bit all or nothing, there is no soft start curve at all.
I hope you enjoy it if you do get one!
(Get three m8x45mm 12.9 bolts, split washers and nuts to replace the ones holding the steering to the scooter as the stock ones are trash and itll be a great ride for a long time!)
Glad to hear youre loving scooters, they really are a lot of fun :)
@@JamiePineappleWyatt you made my day mate, thanks from the gold coast, and I'll remember that about the bolts, take care buddy 👍
@@tonyelberg7814 You too mate, anytime!
I'm always happy to help out when I can :)
I also got word from bike City scooter today that for $45 right you can go for a Semi off road tire that is like a road tire but thicker tread that will fit on the GTS v2 And apparently it's better at self-cleaning
Love your videos and love your location. I had the great fortune to sail up the. East Coast to Cairns over a 10 year period and really love the area. Lately, at age 81 going on 82, I decided to vary my personal exercise machine from a recumbent trike to a scooter like yours, only the GTR version 2 so I am still learning on level 1 only. But I would like to see you try the hill up to Kurranda sometime?
No way would I put the GTR v2 up against a constant climb like that, it’s a bit too long sadly. It would do it, but not too many times. Unless you’re taking a break while temps rise in the motors.
Unfortunately I’m no longer in Cairns, I gave up the little city for Brisbane in order to get closer to the PEV scene!
So I’m not the only oldie here. I’m in my 66+ & have 3 x E scooters. Dualtron Thunder, Ultra & a humble M365 Pro. All of them are lots of fun in particular Thunder my 7 ribs can vouch for it a year ago when I got a little too adventurous with the “trigger” maxing it out. Now I’m deciding to get another toy to my stable like a Dragon. No longer interested in 80km plus rides 50k is more than I need. I’m tossing between GTS V2 or GTR V2 ? My weight is 107 kg at times a little more when I pack drones etc & enjoy long rides on our great bike paths in Canberra ACT. I have a seat on my Dualtron Ultra where it makes it very comfortable & can still stand up riding when needed. Can anyone tell me the range (km) on both GTR V2 & GTS V2. That would be great. I must add that my Dualtron Ultra has off road tyres which I use it on paths etc with little bit of noise hardly noticeable. Any comment would be appreciated.
@@dsmglobal1 they should both get about 50km out of them if you’re not ripping up hills all day quite easily!
There is a seat option for both too by the way, honestly for the tubeless tires I’d go the GTR v2 at the moment, the GTS v2 is current short/out of stock anyways and the GTR v2 has wider motors.
Be warned these ones are full of torque and not very much speed, but they are a good load of fun!
There are other options for tires too if you contact BSC about it after making your purchase!
You’d be surprised how many people are over their 50’s and riding around on these scooters, it blows my mind every day ✌🏻
Ps I still think the X10 with a 23ah battery and the speed limited is the best choice xD
@@JamiePineappleWyatt thank you so much for your response & your thoughts on the few scooters that I am interested to add to my stable. Now you did it. I was about set my mind on GTR V2, than in your last paragraph you gave your thoughts on X10 & now I have a problem deciding. It’s a toss between GTR V2 or X10? My only concern is the weight of X10 approx 35 kg oppose to 25kg GTR V2 Any known issues like motors, controller or software with X10? I wonder after reading your in-depth your excellent article from a while back in particular re GTR V2 previous issues? I’m wondering - did the manufacture rectified all of the issues that you indicated to them? Hopefully, its all good now with the current GTR V2’s models. Is it possible get better few things on GTR V2 like brakes tyres battery, etc,.? Does anyone know the width & length of the deck on GTR V2 & X10. My Dualtron looks as it is so much larger all around. These days top speed don’t interests me much anymore (45km/h on straight is just fine ) just the torque & comfort as my weight is 105kg. I plan to take the scooters ( Dualtron & don’t know yet??) with us in M-home when we will be able to travel again. We’re all waiting for this day I guess. Have to be positive.. Any suggestions very much appreciated. Happy scooting...
@@dsmglobal1 both the gtr v2 and x10 do have the front motor cable wrapping around suspension parts (you can turn the x10 too far and wreck the motor cable in a crash) but the gtr v2 has something similar anyways with the way it’s routed.
With all scooters there are a few variations of tires, BSC stock all of the tires you’ve seen in my posts and on my channel, there are 3” wide road, 3” wide semi off roads (the tires now on my x10), 2.7”(3”) road slicks and the tubeless tires that come on the gtr v2.
In regards to the manufacturing changes they have begun to impliment a few, including new side plates on the motors, more current supply from the batteries, ESC’s are updated, displays have changed to a blue backlit one, some one them are rolling out with white leds now and a few other small changes. There is more to go over time but that’s a little way down the track.
If I were to personally choose between the two I would pick the X10 hands down every day, it has far more controllable grunt than the gtr v2, for example, I tuned down my x10 to do 5km/h and towed a wolf warrior that had two flat tires and an extra battery uphill to the servo to seat the beads. The motors barely got warm and it was not the shortest endeavour, the Hunter x10 has not failed me once when it comes to getting where I need to go and my weight was originally 120kg when I got it, I’ve been all over the place with it in Cairns and now Brisbane too, everything from stupid complex MTB off-road trails to super smooth high speed bike way riding with a few mates.
The gtr v2 is fairly cheap on parts but there are no other battery options, I’m not saying it’s a bad scooter by any means, they’re a lot of fun, but a tuned down Hunter x10 with a 23ah battery would give you far more range and climbing power in a more comfortable manner at the end of the day. Also there is a fairly straight forward way to swap over to hydraulic brakes on the gtr v2 and others but it’s really not worth it at the price point as a set of hydros will set you back about $200+
Hey bro I actually live in Cairns and I hate the fact that the camera doesn’t show how steep those hills actually are very impressed with how easily that thing climbs up it
I agree, that hill is incredibly steep compared to what the footage shows!
The newer ones feel like they have even more torque and the deck no longer strips when you pull the deck panel and put the bolts back in too, they’ve really improved in the last few months!
@@JamiePineappleWyatt I ordered one hopefully it arrives in the mail and you’ll see me scooting around 😂
@@danzelwill6318 sorry man, I’m not actually in Cairns anymore, I moved down to Brisbane three weeks ago ;)
Either way congratulations on joining the Dragon family!! 🐉
@@JamiePineappleWyatt thanks man if you’re ever up I’ll see you on the streets I guess stay safe down there
@@danzelwill6318 I’ll hit you up if I come back up man!
Bought one last week im just waiting for it to come in the mail. Thanks bud you saved me 45 bucks ☺️ also I've noticed they've gone up in price since buying mine
yes, they were on sale for the first few months, keep an eye out because they go on sale when doing pre-orders if they have extra units left over from each shipment, or if the team at BSC are feeling super nice. Also a cool little tip is to set up an account on their website and leave what you want in a cart for a week or so, sometimes you'll get an extra discount via email from them ;)
Congratulations mate! I hope you love it and no worries at all :)
It's actually my first escoot so I'm stoked. What top speeds were you getting on it?
@@temo6917 I managed to get 48km/h out of it when I was 100kg ;) She's a bit quick so get used to riding it in single motor mode (dual motor button not pushed in) before you go for a full punch, you don't want this thing getting away from you ;)
Haha nah I don't want it taking off on me. Ive been riding motorbikes and on two wheels for years. So I I know how to respect the power haha. Thanks for the replies hope to see more on your channel 👌
@@temo6917 thanks a bunch man!
Let me know how you go :)
There will be some more soon, I just spent a day out filming and realised all my exposure settings were wrong so I’ve got to go back out again 🤣
Went for a scoot from Oxley to the top of Mt Cootha and back home no problem for my gts v2
I considered one of these, but ended up getting a Chinese one SK-11 REALMAX.... Great video and great location
Thanks Tim!
How's the SK-11 so far?
@@JamiePineappleWyatt so far it's been great, extremely powerful, the torque is amazing it will do 90+km per hour but it's risky, I've touched these speeds here in Melbourne but fear getting caught - I also opted for a 60ah battery which gets me well over 100km per charge riding it pretty hard.... so far best is 140km riding it Medium to hard.. absolutely amazing machine indeed...
@@timpriestley8997 60ah is insane!
yeah that thing looks like fun, Pirate has one of the slimmer models that looks the same/similar that doesn't top out so high.
yeah be careful, going over 30km/h on the reg can get you in a spot of shit quickly and apparently Melbourne has been cracking down harder than QLD.
I wish you were up here, I'd kill to do a video on it :P
@@JamiePineappleWyatt my parents are live up there, but bring the 60kg monster up would be near impossible -
I generally ride it pretty carefully and try not to stand out but due to its look and size it's hard...
This I 8000w and you feel ever bit of it, very touchy throttle, at full charge you really need to be ready and leaning forward when taking off is a must. The battery is great, but does loose about 30% power by about 58v (from 67v to 58-59v it's all power and torque) - but even after 58v it still hits 65km + and has some pull up hills like nothing I've ridden before
Cost me $2k including shipping cost from Alibaba - worth every cent
@@timpriestley8997 it’s pretty normal to see a large power decrease as you ride, low voltage means less watts at the end of the day, once below nominal voltage everything usually dies right off in speed and torque. ;)
8kw is quite a lot and getting close to the max I’ve run before (~15kw in a single wheel on an ebike), it’s got to be insane, 0-60 times would be pretty low I bet.
Haha yeah flying with it literally isn’t an option sadly, too much lithium, you’d have to drive it up 🤣
Mate awesome video after watching this I bought one the next day.My scooter makes a creaking noise at the bottom of the steering pole where the 6 hex screw bolts are.Ive tightened them. Does yours make that sound?
6 hex bolts?
Which scooter do you have mate?
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Great review! I bought the dragon gtr v2 and it got delivered today. Plugged it in the power and tried turning it on after 30mins but it doesnt turn on. The power bank light is green from the moment i have plugged it. Not sure whats happenning. Is this normal?
That’s not normal, looks like you have either a doa charger or your display is busted ✌🏻
Sorry to hear that one had issues 😅
I personally reckon once they fix the bugs with the gtr V2 that thing is going to be an absolute animal uphills pulling at constant 2400 watts😎😎😉😏
It’ll be a totally different beast, that’s for sure. Getting that kind of power into an E-Bike makes one quite fun, on a scooter it’s crazy. The price difference between an ebike with the same power system as the GTR v2 has would set you back an honest shitload more.
what bugs it have im looking at that one or the vyron
Hi there, where do you get your scooters serviced? We are in Cairns too!
Al
I do it myself ✌🏻
Feel free to contact me on reddit if you need some assistance
wow this thing look fast on the road too @13:32
Tops out at 48km/h.
It’s got acceleration and that’s about it to be honest, the Hunter x10 has a bit more speed for sure ✌🏻
Awesome vid, Would you recommend the GTR V2 or GTS V2?
Depends on what you’re using them for, but both have the same power and capacity at the end of the day
@@JamiePineappleWyatt Thanks 👍
I can't wait until I get my dragon GTS v2 I am totally hyped up and excited I'm just wondering does anyone actually have any suggestions or ideas to make it into a perfect all round tourer other than I've got a couple of ideas but I'm wondering whether a few other people on my mates CZcams channel would give me some opinions or suggestions I'm free to listen to any ideas that you've got because I've only got three ideas that I was planning on doing to make it more practical
I think I might have found you a very nice scooter better than the dtx better than the zero 11X and better than the GTR v2 but I would say it's probably slightly on par with the dragon GTS v2 help capable that thing is if you ever took it off-roading
Hi, i am struggling to decide whether i should buy a GTR V2 or a GTS V2
Hey Mate, Love your content. I just wanted to ask a question regarding the GTS v1 and GTS v2 scooters. I know that the v2 has a bigger battery, dual motors against single meaning higher wattage, higher speed, quad shocks instead of dual at the front, etc. I'm considering getting just the v1 as I don't need the higher speed, 35km/h on the v1 would be plenty for what I need. My trips will also be pretty short, max 10km. Just wondering if there are any design changes that would improve on the v2 against the v1. I would be happy with the specs of the v1, however just want to make sure there are no known issues that have been improved on the v2 that would be worth spending the extra 300-400 bucks. Appreciate any feedback. Cheers. (p.s. I will definitely use your code when purchasing one in the next few weeks.)
Hey David!
Thanks a bunch!
The main difference between the v1 and v2 is climbing capability. If you have any hills in your area you may encounter, go to the GTS v2 and just use dual motor in those situations. Otherwise, the v1 will be fine for most flat land adventures especially if you're not looking for a huge amount of speed.
The increase in capacity is honestly worth the extra spend, it takes longer for the scooter to slow down as it goes flat and from what I have seen, most people that do get a GTS v1, wind up with a v2 not long after because they realise that hills slow down the GTS v1 a fair bit.
If you're a heavier fellow like myself, the v2 has stiffer suspension in the front as well, this can be a bit of a benefit. (The same thing the GTR v2 has).
Thanks again for your comment and the kind words!
@@SpecialMake I did have discount codes when I was sponsored by BSC, which I am not any longer sadly.
Goodluck with your purchase and I hope you get a good unit!
@@SpecialMake no worries at all!
Awesome.
I’d love to know the key differences between GTS and GTS V2.
I’m looking for my first scooter. 👍
The main differences are that the v2 has two motors, more torque and a larger capacity battery. It also has dual shocks on the front much like the GTR v2 and is a little higher off the ground.
The GTS v2 is a little more than I would suggest for "a first ride", however you'll quickly find yourself getting used to the serious torque these things put out! If the idea of power scares you at all, go for the GTS, if you want to climb hills all day, get a V2!
PS. 1600watts, 48v 20ah is the power platform for The GTSv2, whereas is baby brother only has a max 800watts its a little lower to the ground but should also be 48v now, give BikeScooterCity a call, they'll help fit you to a scooter that's just right for you!
If you need to know anything else, dont hesitate to ask :) There is more videos coming soon and I'll do a comparison against my GTS once a new tyre shows up for it.
@@JamiePineappleWyatt thanks man. That’s awesome!
@@normannutbar424 no worries at all man :)
Let me know if there’s anything in particular you want to know about :)
I got this as a cheap transport to work at Edmonton, could of spent an extra $200-300 to get a raptor or slayer get that extra 20km but i decided not to after thinking for safety reasons.
All your content has been amazingly helpful! But I want some advice, looking at either getting the GTS V2 or GTR V2 in the next month or so, rode a GTS V2 and thought it was nice, (GTR V2 is out of stock rn) which one would you reccomend quality, longevity, etc wise ? Thanks 👍😊
The GTR v2 runs tubeless tires and tends to get less flats long term. But in my opinion the GTS is a better build.
However, it depends more on what you want to use your scooter for. The gtr platform is designed for off-road use and the tires are louder on road and will wear down faster, whereas the GTS platform is designed more for on road use. Both have plenty of power.
At the end of the day it’s a personal choice, for me, I prefer the GTS v2 for Cairns as it has indicators for while I’m on the shoulder of the road or even pathways to let people know where I’m going. If you want the most power you want the GTR v2 (it has recently had its power issues sorted out), but if you want the more comfortable on road ride go for the GTS v2 :)
Thanks for your comment, I really appreciate it!
@@JamiePineappleWyatt Awesome, Thanks for the reply !!!!! Thinking I'll wait the few days untill some GTR V2 are in stock and have a ride. I was really surprised at the GTS V2's suspension and I'm thinking I'll probably go with the GTS, but the GTR is worth a shot. And once again just wanted to say thanks !! Super helpful 😺👍
@@alexsaquarium anytime mate!
I’ve had word that the GTR v2 is in really high demand at the moment and they’ve been having real troubles with stock (keeping it that is).
Try out the standard GTR if you can, it’s more than what most people are looking for in a scooter and just image what 2x the power would feel like (spoiler it’s a tad insane on takeoff)
Yeah the GTS’ rear end is far stronger, thicker and the suspension has better travel.
@@JamiePineappleWyatt Yeah, I plan on just using the board with some very Grippy shoes, would the GTS V2 be powerfull enough for me though is the question, I weight 90kg and my backpack pack can sometimes be 10kg, there also are quite a few steep hills where I live, I'll use it for commuting and weekend trips. Any thoughts ? :) P.s should add that I have a m365 pro, and it has stalled like 50%-70% or will go like 5km/hr at the top of the hills, not as steep as the hills in video but not too far off
@@alexsaquarium at 100kg total you’re still well under the maximum weight rating for the GTS v2, it’ll get you up those hills fairly easily with its dual motors, the m365 pro has no torque in comparison!
I think the slowest the GTS v2 went up the too good hill for me (120~kg at the time of filming) was around 24km/h I think. So if you’re lighter and your incline is not as steep you’ll be flying along with no worries!
It sounds like the GTS v2 would be the perfect fit for you mate!
I just got word from bike City scooter that they have updated everything on the dragon GTS v2 which is the Titan display screen high capacity batteries so therefore it should get upwards of 75 to 80 km on a full charge and it'll have a lot more amps going through it
Are you sure they’re Titan parts and not FLJ?
@@JamiePineappleWyatt because he said it is the Titan parts
@@ryanwalter757 The new ones on the GTR v2 are definately not on Titan scooters.
Been trying to get a hold of HR for a week now. I'll try and get specifics out of him sometime this week hopefully.
Either way sounds pretty damn good to me.
@@JamiePineappleWyatt well they definitely put them in the GTS V2 maybe they see a lot more potential in the GTS V2 then to put them in the GTR V2
@@ryanwalter757 Quite possible, I'm hoping they do use Titan parts to be honest, I'll let you know some specifics when I can :)
What weight were you carrying, I'm looking at 100kg for me plus a 20kg backpack
I think I have commented my weight at the time of filming, I probably had about 3kg in kit with me at the time, I was up near the 120 range, you’ll be absolutely fine though!
My partner is 120 and she tows around our son in a trailer with it at the moment :)
Mine is awesome up any hill no problem ❤️❤️❤️
Cairns? Spence St. Thought I recognised it
I'm in Adelaide, and all I want to know is: does it have different speed modes, so I can limit it to 15km/hr and thus not attract the attention of the cops? Can't find any manual for this thing on the web.
You can actually, its P8 in the settings(Speed %), you'll have to lower it to something around 10%.
I have a guide on my channel for them on my channel!
@@JamiePineappleWyatt thanks! So it's not the sort of thing where you can switch modes while you're riding? You see, I want something with good brakes, that can climb hills, but I really don't want something that's too fast.
Great video. I’ve been researching various models for my first e-scooter. I was originally set on the Zero 9 but at the moment this GTS is cheaper and seems to be a better quality scooter.
The GTS is much cheaper for sure, BSC also have the X9 just so you know.
The build is much more robust on the GTS for sure!
If you have hills in your life I would consider the GTS v2, it’s a seriously punchy scooter that can conquer just about anything in dual motor mode!
Thanks for the comment :)
@@JamiePineappleWyatt unfortunately BSC doesn’t have any shops in Melbourne so I won’t be able to check the scooter out. I’m 100kg so I want a powerful enough scooter that won’t struggle with my weight too much. Scooter Hut has a Mantis 10 on sale for $1550 but it’s a single 500w motor. So at the moment I’m stuck between a Zero 9, Mantis 10 single motor and the GTS. Are the GTS tyres easy to change? Thank you for replying so quickly.
@@jesseallen4184 no scooters tire is all that easy to change without a bench vice, it takes a bit of effort but it can be done without.
Even with split rims you can have the tire get stuck to the two halves and it can be a bit interesting to get the tire off sometimes.
If you were ever considering the mantis as a single motor for that price, I would definitely go for the GTS v2! 100kg is honestly too much for a single motor scooter and I speak genuinely from experience there 😅
And no worries at all, you managed to catch me at the perfect time :)
@@JamiePineappleWyatt haha yeah I’ve read scooter tyre changes are a bastard most of the time. Guess it’s just something I’ll have to learn when I get a flat. Thanks again for the your help and quick reply. I’m just subscribed to your channel 😀
@@jesseallen4184 thanks!
I do have a video on how to do it the easy way on my channel for you to check out if you like too :)
There’s more coming soon :)
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the GTS V2, much appreciated. How do you rate the Dragons for build quality and long term reliability? I'm also looking at a Mantis. Cheers
The build quality is fairly decent, I find that the GTS v2 seems to be the best built out of them all, mind you my X1 has done over 500km with no services needed. (solid tyres and low power), same goes for the GT I have here.
I've had a pin in the folding mech die on me but it seemed more like an assembly defect (the thread was stripped), but once I got the replacement bolt from BSC I haven't had any other issues with my GTS v2. Given that the folding doesn't happen on the steering pole I find these to be more favorable over a mantis for the price, but if you want more torque and a better battery the mantis all day while you ignore the price difference.
TL;DR I've done over 600km on my GTS v2 in the short time I've had it and It has not let me down once, Its been a real pleasure to ride and maintain.
Their assembly line in Brisbane could do with a bit more of a closer eye for their QC, but they are working on it and improving as they go. Even if there was an issue, BSC's warranties cover everything for longer than any other brand, even Zero, so you're going to be looked after either way.
@@JamiePineappleWyatt thanks for the info mate. Every scooter seems to have their issues including the 3 I have owned. As you said, the Dragons have a longer warranty so that is good to know. It sounds like BSC have decent after sales too. Thanks again.
@@ferdy4796 not a problem at all :)
What do you have currently?
@@JamiePineappleWyatt I have a Mercane Wide Wheel dual motor. It currently needs a new controller for the front motor. Apparently they don't like hitting lips on concrete footpaths. So I want something at least as fast that can handle rougher terrain. Researching scooters is a mine field.
@@ferdy4796 yeah I’ve seen a few of them with cracked motor housings from hitting a solid bump at full speed. I still remember seeing one for the first time and thinking “that’s a bit rich for what that thing is at the end of the day”, it’s pretty and that’s about it for me.
The GTS v2 literally shits all over the wide wheel Pro, if you ask me, you’ll love it in comparison. The ride will be so much smoother, only thing you’ll really miss is the mantis fork on the front that the wide wheel has. But the tyres will make up for more than the difference in ride comfort.
I’ll tell you now though, make sure you do some decent stretches before going for a long ride, my legs are still getting used to the torque from this thing.
I know how you feel man, it can be really hard to figure out what you really want in the end, like you said before, everything has its issues.
Hi I am new to this, can you use the bike in the bike line like you did in the video is that legal ?? nice video, and thanks for the information !!
The bicycle lane is perfectly legal for E-scooters :)
You may ride on bicycle and pedestrian paths as you would on a Bicycle (Treat it as a Bicycle on the road)
Not a problem at all mate! :)
@@JamiePineappleWyatt super thanks!!
@@obersutopia2209 anytime! :)
Watched a few times now, just wondering when your talking about the battery are you running the GTR battery in your GTS ? I have just purchased both GTR v2 and GTS v2 not the 2022 GTR looks about the same except for the side lights/blinkers, any advice will be much appreciated,, thanks for your video
The GTR v2 and GTS v2 have identical batteries, they also have identical controllers internally.
(the only difference is usually that the GTR v2 controllers used to be shunt modded from the factory and that the GTR v2 has wider motors featuring wider magnets)
I do have a GTR v2 battery in my GTS, but that's a whole different scooter to the GTS v2
Unfortunate you didnt go for the 2022 GTR v2, it has quite a lot of things changed vs the older model that has had many issues outlined here before
Cheers pineapple 😉 I got them off a friend ridden 2 times for an awesome price I will most likely sell both and have enough to get the 2022 GTR v2, I also have the akez dual motor Off road one and really love it also, thanks for the reply💖
@@jamiesescapereality3613 no worries at all!
A lot of people start off with the Aikez, then go dragon. My suggestion is, if you sell the G series ones, skip up a tier so that way you dont have to deal with the same kinds of issues with maintenance. (My GTS v2 needs a tune up after each ride I go on nearly, I do ride fairly rough though) The X10 is definitely a much cleaner/reliable scooter out of the box.
Thanks for chatting pineapple,,,
So if I was to keep one of the 2 untill I can get the 2022 model, in your opinion which one should I keep,
I used to be an RC technician in a big hobby shop they are basically an RC without the wireless remote, and the Akez I got with flat tyre and no working brakes I fixed all that myself so servicing will be ok from my part,...
hey just wondering how far can u go going fast most of the way
Depends on which scooter, where you’re riding and the weight but both of the dual motor models from dragon get a good 50km or so
hey pinapple i am currently saving for mine i gave the code a shot for the gts v2 and it says its invalid
yeah, I'm no longer partnered with them, they also said everyone's codes got nuked, have a look around on the ScootMasters pages on Facebook, I bet they will still have some.
@@JamiePineappleWyatt rip yea thx for the comment man the gts will be a good scooter for me
@@jclgaming34 no worries at all, and it should be, just remember the one in this video is the v2 not the standard GTS which has only got one motor.
and no i will be getting the dual moter version
If anyone is thinking about buying the GTS v2 definitely buy one because they are absolutely amazing they are so much more quicker and faster Plus you should get upwards of about 75 to 85 km out of one charge And when I tested it going uphill it never dipped in power if anything it went flying up the hill at 51 km an hour and it continued to hold it so that tells me they have obviously done some changes to the battery they've done some changes to the BMS plus the display screen
I just got word of a brand new scooter from bike city scooter that will be revealed later this month called the dragon lightning which is supposed to be quicker than the beast and the GTR V2 put together
This had been announced in one of my reddit posts when I posted about my GTS v2 a few months ago! :)
Also putting the speed of both of those together is over 90km/h, which is not accurate. It’ll be closer to 90-100km/h
Oh also, that’s only the tip of the iceberg, there’s much, much more coming than just the lightning x10
@@JamiePineappleWyatt The problem with going at that speed is it will only take one thing to go wrong and you pretty much would end up killing yourself at that speed at 50 km an hour which is the max of what the GTS V2 can do That's a lot easier to control but a hundred yeah that's going to be extremely difficult to control a extremely high-powered scooter and trying to get it under control is going to be dead set impossible
@@ryanwalter757 not really, it's pretty easy to do, the faster you go the easier it is to stay upright in a straight line. It's not like you're going to be doing 100km/h around a hairpin turn ;P
that being said, it's not the first scooter to break that sort of speed.
@@JamiePineappleWyatt I mean when it comes to emergency braking at that speed it's going to be very hard to pull up even if the example the rear end suddenly ends up sliding out and you end up losing control due to slippery wet conditions
@@ryanwalter757 relying on regen for initial braking actually will help with this, its also as simple as letting off the break to stop sliding. It's not that difficult to run higher speeds and be cautious, it is more dangerous, but not unreasonably so. I mean if you're doing full speed in the wet and slam on the brakes you pretty much deserve to slide into a wall, that shit aint safe for anyone. Keep in mind that it IS illegal to ride over 24km/h in most states here in Australia and unlock speeds are only for offroad use.
It is ultimately up to the end user as to how safe they are on these things, you should only ever ride as fast as you are comfortable with. For me, that speed is around 250km/h in a car, I start getting more nervous at that point. Still haven't found that limit on a electrical bicycle or scooter.
Abit late but what do you think is better the gts v2 or the gtr in the power range and how fast it can go
Both get the same speed and power but the wider motors on the GTR v2 do really make a difference
@@JamiePineappleWyatt thanks for some reason on the website it says the gtr only makes 40kmh while the gts v2 makes 50kmh
@@zaynewood9038 because the GTR tops out at a lower speed due to having only one motor.
The GTR v2 should top out at 48km/h
@@JamiePineappleWyatt thanks man, yeah abit weird my friend has a gtr and i topped out at 54kmh, maybe because im only 60kg im not sure
@@zaynewood9038 being 60kg you’ll get the most speed possible out of them, more weight, more load, the slower it’ll go ✌🏻
So I’m not the only oldie here. I’m in my 66+ & have 3 x E scooters. Dualtron Thunder, Ultra & a humble M365 Pro. All of them are lots of fun in particular Thunder my 7 ribs can vouch for it a year ago when I got a little too adventurous with the “trigger” maxing it out. Now I’m deciding to get another toy to my stable like a Dragon. No longer interested in 80km plus rides 50k is more than I need. I’m tossing between GTS V2 or GTR V2 ? My weight is 107 kg at times a little more when I pack drones etc & enjoy long rides on our great bike paths in Canberra ACT. I have a seat on my Dualtron Ultra where it makes it very comfortable & can still stand up riding when needed. Can anyone tell me the range (km) on both GTR V2 & GTS V2. That would be great. I must add that my Dualtron Ultra has off road tyres which I use it on paths etc with little bit of noise hardly noticeable. Any comment would be appreciated.
Both the GTR v2 and GTS v2 get about 50km of range, considering you intend on hitting over the 100kg mark id suggest going for the GTR v2, it’s wider motors produce more torque for the same power ✌🏻
That being said, the Vsetts will last you a lot longer without major repairs, considering you’ve ridden some pretty damn high quality PEV’s I’d bet you wouldn’t want to go backwards in that department ✌🏻
As for tyres, try to stick with ones designed for the surface you ride most as they will wear much less ✌🏻
@@JamiePineappleWyatt yes, I have tested all 4 scooters - GTR V2 great ride & acceleration, GTS that was good as well, Zero10X I have a soft spot for that one. I like the idea of being able to fit after market seat with post. Handy if doing 60k long rides every third day whilst exploring Canberra. Zero10x almost ticked all the boxes, but not quite there yet. All 3 so far had a little wobble in front end when at high speed on the straight. I’ve ridden all of them in the same day. Finally, have taken the Vsett10+ with 60V/25.6Ah battery. I was not even thinking about this one at all. This scooter made a huge impression on me with in minutes & without any further hesitation I secured the Vsett. I found out since, that the new shipments of Vsett10+ no longer comes with NUTT hydraulic brakes as promised to me in writing. Instead they doing their own Vsett brand which look like Zoom brakes to me. I’ve secured one for next shipment in Nov 2021 with a promise of NUTT f/r hydraulic brakes at no extra cost to me. I wish I could give the shop a big thank you, but I’ll just say “THANK you Ryan”. Those who know him in Sydney will know. Now I’m awaiting arrival & delivery to Canberra no freight cost as well. Great service there. Any interested people can contact me for further info. Has anyone got any advise as to, if there are any hidden tricks in that Vsett10+ unit? Thanks again to “Sultry Pineapple” for all the sound advice. It was very useful. Happy scooting all
@@dsmglobal1 congrats man!!
There’s no real secret tricks apart from cutting the white limiter wire that pops up to the neck and changing p12 to its highest (acceleration) and p8 to 100 for full speed, p9 I think handles zero start if I remember rightly.
Yeah sadly they come with vsett branded Zooms, I prefer the Nutt brakes hands down myself ✌🏻
For the price of a kit though you can get a decent set of 4 pot callipers I’ve noticed by the way ;)
The 10+ is a much nicer ride for sure and squats on the 10X all day! Just got to get a seat option at some point now 😅
Yeah the 10x can be a bit squirrelly at high speeds, but after some practice it’s pretty easily manageable (I ride a Hunter x10 at 60km/h frequently) and usually it comes down to the neck bolt being loose 😅
Congrats man! Glad to hear you stayed in the quality section of the scooter market!
@@JamiePineappleWyatt just in case I already have steering damper waiting to be fitted on Vsett when it arrives. I’ll stay in touch....cheers
@@dsmglobal1 you really shouldn’t need it on the 10+, but it will make you far more comfortable cornering at higher speeds ✌🏻
Yes please, I’d love to know your long term thoughts on it!
Great video mate, so u definitely recommend the gts v2 over the gtr v2?
Day in and day out my man!
@@JamiePineappleWyatt Can I ask why the GTS V2 over the GTR V2?
@@johnkraay8552 until the issues that I have brought fourth about the GTR v2 are fixed, the GTS v2 is by far more powerful. The last GTR v2 I rode had only 21 amp controllers whereas the GTS v2 is actually using 25amp controllers with the same battery as the GTR v2, which is only able to output around 1700watts at its very best whilst fully charged and only drops from there.
That is the long story short, If you want to read the long version head over to my reddit profile and have a look at my post about the BSC Review and about how I got started with this brand :)
@@JamiePineappleWyatt Ok mate, I will, thanks very much. I have a new GTR V2 that just came off the container a couple of weeks ago. I'm not sure if it is any different than the one you tested but I weigh 110 kg & the GTR V2 that I have will actually gain speed going up pretty steep hills when I engage the second motor.
@@johnkraay8552 the one you have should not have the fixes yet.
They are still quite powerful, but the GTS v2 is just better in general at the moment. Especially in the rear swing arm, make sure not to step on the rear plate, you'll bend the rear! :)
I haven't been told about the new fixes coming in yet, there should be one coming to the channel once the updates are carried out though.
This hill is beyond the GTR v2's capabilities as far as I'm aware, I've been leaving an open challenge to any GTR v2 riders I meet to do it. one of these climbs is well over anything I'd call a reasonable incline, most ebikes struggle hard with it.
Can I ask, what's the top speed during your inclines in dual motor?
hey mate
awesome vid
what is a better scooter between this gts v2 and the gtr v2
Depends on what specifically you want to use it for?
@@JamiePineappleWyatt Pretty much the same thing your doing, maybe a little off road like dirt because i love fishing lol.
The more klms the better and also top speed
@@rosesolon9243 both get the same range and speed.
If you want more speed and range you’ll have to look higher up the chain, however the Hunter x10 does much better off road, goes 60km/h and has a good range if you’re taking it easy (not doing 60km/h).
In my experience it is a much, much better scooter
@@JamiePineappleWyatt I was leaning towards the GTS V2 or the new GTR V2 2022 model.
GTS v2 is better going up hill than the GTR V2 ?.
Do you know if they have upgraded or updated the new GTR V2 ?
@@rosesolon9243 the gtr v2 and GTS v2 run the same power, gtr v2 has wider motors so it puts down more torque.
The gtr v2 is better for climbing hills, but I haven’t gotten the chance to play with the new changes to the suspension on the GTR v2 or any of its new changes that I proposed seeing as BSC dropped me as a brand rep before the new model came out.
There is no “upgrade” to the power, it’s all the same as always.
Hey mate
Just read your reddit post about gtr v2 vs gts v2 , I just ordered a gtr v2 last week do you think that will be the updated version as per your advised tweaks to BSC?
They have the majority of the tweaks I suggested now ✌🏻
They even have white leds on the sides now instead of blue!
@@JamiePineappleWyatt fair enough , the thing is I didn’t purchase it from BSC I bought it from a escooter place in Sydney to which the tracking is showing the location of BSC in sumner which I assume is a Main supplier
@@Anthony-id4oo BSC is the main supplier indeed, you purchased from Pedl I bet ✌🏻
That should be fine as BSC Sumner is the main depot and you should be getting one of the scooters from the latest shipment with jet black plates on the motors and white leds ✌🏻
@@JamiePineappleWyatt sure did , ordered from PedL last weekend .
Do uou have any points for me to look at prior to riding the scooter ? And also any recommendations for tweaking the thing as I’m a first timer
@@Anthony-id4oo p8 is the setting that handles max speed, 50% will get you about 24km/h and 100% gets you about 48-50km/h.
There are grub screws inside of the folding handlebars for adjusting them (if they have any play loosen said screw until the play goes away).
Adjust your brakes out of the box, shipping always Borks the adjustment.
Give it a full charge before your first ride, the charger light will turn green when it’s ready to go.
Tighten all your bolts and don’t forget to contact pedl straight away if you’re having issues or notice any weird noises!
Scooters require maintenance, so please get it checked every now and then, for someone that rides about 2000km per month I’d probably take it in once every month for a checkup and service.
Tires like to have 45psi in them! They’re not cheap to replace so treat them with care, if you notice you’re very low on tread, get your tire replaced before you get a puncture, you’ll thank me for it in the end ✌🏻
put your foot out to the direction your turning when dont have blinkas
Yeah that’s pretty common amongst more advanced riders, but it’s not exactly safe for someone that doesn’t have as much experience as someone like myself on scooters, they tend to be pretty twitchy even with a decent stance and lifting a hand or foot to signal leaves you off balance and putting strain on components in a way you shouldn’t be usually.
Indicators all the way man.
I would love you to compare the Gts v2 vs The beast that would be a very interesting comparison
Make sure that you let Bike Scooter City know ;)
I've been trying to get one here to show off for them. (I really, really want to play with it so bad) Such a shame it hasn't been unlocked and run on an off-road track yet by the looks of it.
@@JamiePineappleWyatt out of the two scooters which one would be a lot better
@@ryanwalter757 given that the Beast has a 60v battery and a much larger platform overall, not to mention double the specs for motor power. The Beast hands down.
But this is assuming your only use case is going as fast as possible while flying up hills. For someone looking for a little get around, the GTS v2 is the better option. The Beast is for people that are serious and not going to leave it locked to 25km/h, nearly no point in having that kind of power if you’re never going to use it.
@@JamiePineappleWyatt yep that's true
@@JamiePineappleWyatt I'm thinking more of the lines that when it comes to reliability battery performance and when it comes to a good middle ground of performance I personally think the GTS V2 would absolutely slaughter the beast due to the beast has so much power but with all that power means you will end up wearing out components a lot quicker you will end up killing the battery within one year the motors will end up burning out compared to the GTS V2 when it comes to longevity it will come out on top of the beast because there is still so much potential for the Gts v2 compared to the beast people are going to end up having electrical issues in the long run but the GTS V2 is like the equivalent to buying a Toyota you know you're going to get something that is reliable that will outlive all the other brands of the dragon series scooters and you know it's going to be a lot more safer and a lot more enjoyable than all the other scooters because at the moment people have noticed a few of the dragon scooters including the GTR V2 has been having a few major issues that bike city scooter is still refusing to underline and they are blatantly lying about it
Decent hill performance there. What weight are you (sorry rude question I know) I'm 140kg and my GTR does alright but wouldn't cope with that last hill. Not with my weight anyway
I was around 100kg during this video, I’m 110 now and it’ll still do it.
The GTR is good as a single motor unit but this GTSV2 definitely has more power especially for climbing.
Also I don’t mind, it’s a rather relevant question when it comes to EV performance :)
@@JamiePineappleWyatt I do love my GTR, but when it's clapped out I know I will have even better options in the venerable Dragon range to choose from :-)
@@techbio there is going to be so much more soon!
Just you wait, these next few months should be a shock to most 🤫
@@JamiePineappleWyatt yeah. When you look how far they came in the last couple of years alone. All the tech is just getting better and better. better batteries, range, power.
@@techbio The last two have been insane from what I have seen, I'm pretty keen to start seeing some 300amp+ controllers hitting the market in droves for my project build ;)
I have a question how do you unlock the top speed on this bike because it was said to be 25kmg restricted and 50kmh unrestricted
Bike?
@@JamiePineappleWyatt scooter I meant 🤣
@@damnson9413 Which one do you have exactly?
@@JamiePineappleWyatt gts v2
@@damnson9413 you'll have to open up your deck and cut a long grey loop cable on both controllers, disconnect the red loop (This allows you to control kick start via the display) on each too then follow the directions in this video: czcams.com/video/Rs7aljdMgdk/video.html
P.S with the newer displays (not the one pictured) you have to press mode to cycle through the menu, then press power to select the option to change.. The option you're looking to change is P8.
Don't be afraid of the grey loop cutting, the loop is incredibly long and is usually bound up like you'd find a power cable in a workshop, test everything with the scooter off the ground and make sure you cut the loop on both controllers, weird shit happens if you dont.
I was just thinking what they should actually do with the GTS v2 is change a few things because of the torque of it it so therefore your legs don't go numb maybe changing the bearings to a different type of bearing might help that or possibly maybe putting a thicker layer of rubber on the deck that is mounted to it so therefore the the power doesn't transfer through the deck which may result in people's legs not going numb during long journeys on the scooter
None of those things would help at all, the only thing that would help is to reduce the torque using either a ramped throttle output or just being easier on the throttle yourself.
I ride hard, that's what happens man.
If you where to reduce the resistance by using better bearings the motors would only spin more freely (increasing torque).
And adding padding will only make the ride smoother (like suspension, just really not that affective).
I mean, you could also just ride it in single motor mode if you don't want to have power at your feet, but that would be a bit of a waste wouldn't it? The whole idea is to have that torque available to use, the moment you limit it, is the moment the abilities of the scooter become limited.
@@JamiePineappleWyatt You're absolutely right man
@@JamiePineappleWyatt I just wish they made something that is innovating to go on the top of the Gts V2 during long journeys you don't end up with dead feet because with the Gtr V2 shocks on the GTS V2 you would have thought it would be a way more comfortable experience maybe if they alter the thickness of the frame it may reduce it or change the spring rate setup so it can actually absorbed that torque coming from both of the hub motors
@@ryanwalter757 you can't absorb torque, its translated directly to the body due to the way energy gets transferred.
Softer suspension would lead to more travel on takeoff moving you around more, but doing nothing for reducing the strain on your body.
TL;DR if you want an easier ride, run in single motor or run a less powerful scooter.
Also, the stance does take some getting used to, but is not much of an issue after riding regularly for a few weeks, it's just because it's a new feeling, I barely notice the Torque on mine these days because I ride nearly every day :)
Also, thickness of the frame is fine as it is, any less and you'd be looking at structural integrity issues. Let's put it this way, the only way to reduce the load on the body is to reduce the torque in the first place, even something with a more plush suspension like a Kaabo Mantis or Zero 10x suffer the same deal. Torque will always stress the body, same thing happens with High powered vehicles, its not like a Commodore with a tricked out v8 turbo would shove you into the seat any less with softer suspension for example, in fact it would do more to increase grip and thus increase the "shove" you feel on takeoff.
What you're asking for is to feel less strain for the same power, the only real way to do that would be to put a seat on it and sit on your bum or just ride in single motor mode.
Again, TL;DR just ride slower, faster speeds and more power will put more strain on you regardless of the ride comfort. When riding at 25km/h I don't have any issues at all, It's only when I'm riding full speed for a lengthy period of time that you should feel the strain.
Imagine how harsh The Beast would be on the legs haha. Still wouldn't stop me from sending it.
@@JamiePineappleWyatt I personally reckon the Apollo ghost would be more better than the dragon beast due to its build quality is a lot better and you're not paying $3,200 for it you're only paying $1,600 for it so That's a bit of a bargain if you ask me And it's supposed to be one of the most fastest
I'm so excited because I get my dragon GTS V2 in the next 4 weeks however they have updated it quite a bit it comes with a new display screen completely different and it comes with different handlebars And I'm not too sure a different BCM or different motors were installed with the new upgrade
Wow that’s awesome!!
I’m going to get a chance to talk to HR this week and hopefully I can get my hands on some of the updates too ;)
If you’re talking about battery stuff it’ll be the BMS, which I’m both happy and surprised to hear the GTS v2 is getting new stuff thrown into it!
@@JamiePineappleWyatt I even said to the guys there's a way to turn the GTS V2 into a capable weapon of a scooter you take the forks off the dragon beast and the tire and you put the GTR V2 rear tire on it however they said because of the rear frame is not wide enough to put the GTr V2 rear tire on it however you can actually put GTR V2 rear shocks on the GTS V2
They should call it the GTS mini beast with those modifications
@@JamiePineappleWyatt have you got any tips for me that you can pass on when it comes to driving the GTS V2 like when it comes to riding on the brakes going downhill or just use regenerative braking instead And I've heard when it comes to riding them in cold weather you can't ride too fast you got to let the tires warm up before you can start speeding up just to help the tire stick a bit better
@@ryanwalter757 I wouldn't put the GTR v2's rear shocks on the GTS v2, the GTS v2's is much, much stronger.
I agree with ht e front fork Modifications though, they'd be quite nice to have on the front end.
There's a bit of material in the way of the rear tyre being made larger, but you can still put a wider motor in there, it's not all about the tread, there are many other options out there that will actually fit in there that are offroad too btw.
I dont know about all that crap with tyres needing to be warmed up and all that, you're really not going fast enough for that to be really be considered. the only cases that it would really matter is in the wet really and you shouldn't ride in the wet anyways. Well at least not as hard as I would on the daily.
My tips are, lean forward when accelerating and stand like you're riding a longboard downhill, feet spread as far as they can heel and toes at the indicators is probably the best description.
Hang your ass over the back wheel as far as you can reach and keep your knees bent when braking hard, it'll increase traction and stop you from leaning on the bars, use your feet to hold you onto the scooter, not the bars.
Never lean or put your body weight on the handlebars, all torque is to be translated through your feet, if you're getting ripped off the scooter and the front wheels keeps getting lifted up practice with it in mode 1 or 2 instead of going flat out until you're not getting thrown around anymore then step it up as you get more comfortable.
Regen Brakes take a second or two to kick in, so it gives you time to adjust your stance just a bit, make sure you're ready for it because it can be a bit jerky at first.
Get some gloves, some pads and a fullface helmet for riding especially with it unlocked, crashing at full speed is a death sentence wearing a bicycle helmet.
Keep to the road rules, dont go cutting off traffic and stop at lights, be aware that drivers arent necessarily looking for you on the road, it's on you to be diligent and aware of what's going on around you to stay safe. Do go lurching out into someone's driveway while they're backing out, the car will win.
If you're going downhill, lean further back when braking, dont try and go full tilt on your first ride downhill, keep it tame and get used to the steering. The moment your feet are balanced is when your steering is going to be most stable too. Faster = Twitchier steering.
Hope that all helps man.
I have read a lot of people are having problems with punctures on the GTS and GTS V2. Have you experienced this?
The GTS and GTS v2 have been having flats more often than the other dragons, but now that BSC stock much thicker tubes for these scooters it’s becoming less of an issue.
Always make sure you’re tire pressure is right before a ride and you’ll have less flats, most of the time tire pressure is the reason one gets a puncture :)
BSC are also working on tubeless tires for those two scooters too! :)
They also have the option to have solid tires to completely negate the need for swapping tires :)
@@JamiePineappleWyattthanks heaps for your reply. I don't think I want the hassle of flat tyres.
@@nerriliesquires4199 keep your tires at a good pressure and that will always help out!
I’ve done over 500km at 48km/h on my GTS v2 without an issue for tires, once I had a flat I swapped over to a solid tire, it’s been perfect ever since :)
No worries at all :)
@@JamiePineappleWyattdo they tell you what the pressure needs to be? Was it just the back tyre you replaced with a solid or both? Do you know what the cost is to do that. Both my husband and I are looking at getting scooters and he is 100kg do you know if the GTR problems have been sorted and which one would you recommend for him? He is 52 and I am 49 but we still like a bit of fun. We ride the Neuron scooters in Darwin when we were there in May and thought they would be good for us to take in our caravan and also for a bit of fun on our days off. You have some great places to ride in Cairns and we would too if only they were legal here in Newcastle in NSW but we will just take the risk and ride them responsibility. Do you know anything about the Bolzzen scooters. I have been reading up on them as well. We are going looking tomorrow at Pedl in Sydney.
Thanks for the review. Wanting to get one but why is the GTS v2 ($1799) more expensive than the GTR V2 ($1599) ?
There is a few comments asking the same sort of question, but the easiest answer is that the GTR v2 is currently on sale. The GTS v2 is definitely a better buy in the long run though.
The GTR v2 is usually priced at $1999 these days.
@@JamiePineappleWyatt Thanks mate, makes sense. I've got a GTS (V1) at the moment, would it be worth it to upgrade? Using it to cruise about but eventually wanting to use it to commute to work.
@@davidlee4210 if you feel like the GTS is lacking then sure the upgrade is worth it, the extra range alone is a great feature to be honest.
If you're only looking to plod along though you might find that the extra power isn't all that necessary, unless there are hills in your area that you'd need to overcome.
@@JamiePineappleWyatt Thanks, appreciate your help. Will definitely keep an eye out for when it comes on sale. Just can't get over the fact (yet) that it's dearer than the GTR V2, and nearly twice the price for the GTS. But I would prefer the GTS V2 to the GTR V2, partly thanks to your reviews in Reddit regarding the build of the GTS. Thanks again!
@@davidlee4210 No worries at all mate :)
Honestly the GTS v2 is built much better than the GTR v2 or GTR, everything about the GTS is just more solid :)
I'm going to go out on a limb and say it might go on sale again within the next few months so keep an eye out, I might even do a post on my reddit if I notice it :)
Also, don't forget you can save a few extra dollars using my affiliate code PINEAPPLE45
I know it's a bit pricey, but when it feels like there's about 4x the power in dual mode it really does make it feel more worth the spend. Glad to hear you're enjoying your GTS!
And I'm glad to see my content has been helping others to make their own choices!
I just got work they've got a new scooter at Bike City scooters it's called the dragon Hunter S10 it's made in the same factory as the zero scooters it's got a 18 something battery in it it's based off the zero but just a little bit different but yeah but they're asking
Already made a post about it on Reddit on release. It's called the Dragon Hunter X10
www.reddit.com/r/ElectricScooters/comments/lyq21w/its_finally_out_the_dragon_hunter_x10/
This is the scooter I was talking about during this video. I told you there was something even more amazing coming and I tried to hint without giving it away.
I'll be making videos on that one soon too!
@@JamiePineappleWyatt I had to go on the new updated version of the dragon GTS v2 and holy shit it is a lot faster I reckon she will get past 60 with no problems
@@ryanwalter757 you’ll have to tell me all about it once you get yours!
@@JamiePineappleWyatt you can definitely tell it's got a lot more amps I'm wondering whether it's actually got the new updated BMS controller and more amps and higher capacity battery in it because it's definitely got a much more updated version of the display screen
He passed my house 1 year before i moved into it
Hi mate, can I ask what the top speed is?
For my weight, unrestricted top speed is around 48km/h @ 100kg, you'll get 50km/h under 80kg.
Top speed is at full voltage only, as voltage drops so does speed.
Probably worth noting average top speed is around 44km/h at half battery
Thanks mate👍
@@alanmac8807 No worries at all :)
Hi bro , I'm heading down Brissy soon to check em out, you reckon I'd be better off going with the GTR V2???
Looks like a good deal $1400 GTS over $2400 Mantis?
Mantis is more comfortable ride with the suspension, battery is larger and higher voltage so higher top speed, but the GTS v2 is more than enough for someone looking to save a large chunk like that, the price does make a difference and it also depends more on which Mantis exactly.
I was actually looking at Mantis 8 base model, which has very similar spec to this GTS v2. The only thing a bit worried about is QC and build quality. Are they actually designed and manufactured in Australia?
@@vincenthughes5795 QC is the same as Kaabo really, theyre not too bad at all and BSC is always willing to replace anything broken in shipping.
Any scooter you find will be imported from China, there's no one making hub motors in Australia, let alone the rest of the components, everything comes form a factory in Shenzhen and gets assembled over here. I believe it was a guy over in Korea that designed the body's originally. However BSC did choose the components inside to use for these scooters.
Build quality is better than expected, haven't had any real issues with mine yet, the folding mechanism is decent on these scooters, I prefer this over the Mantis one, steering assemblies shouldn't fold at all in my opinion. All in all its been a great little unit, I've done well over 400km on mine and it's still going hard.
@@JamiePineappleWyatt thanks man, so much detailed useful info!
Agree, probably it's silly to expect it to be fully manufactured here. It just looks like a mix of familiar components that we've seen many time before - suspension, stem, controller etc. I guess it's just how it's done nowadays.
@@vincenthughes5795 The way it’s done is the same way the old Nanrobot scooters done it (the GTR platform is built on that same platform) and I prefer it that way, just prefer the suspension of newer scooters like the mantis and Zeros as its far more “plush”.
Also the thing you’re calling controller is actually a “display and throttle” the controller is inside the scooter and is called an “esc”, electric speed controller ;)
Yeah that display is really nice and you’d actually be surprised to know that it’s actually slightly different to most, it’s much nicer looking than the ones you’ll find on a Zero for sure, they do lack a lot of the programming of the Zero’s though. (Ignoring the 750c special edition display Zero did recently)
There is a bit of a misconception about that when people start out learning all the individual parts usually.
All good, it’s my pleasure and I’m glad I could be helpful :)
Brah is that cairns
can u take the reflectors off on the deck sides?
You can but then you’d be left with dangling cables and gaping holes in the deck ✌🏻
@@JamiePineappleWyatt haha thanks guess I won’t be doing thst
How fast it can go ?
48km/h with a 100kg rider.
50km/h with an under 80kg rider.
Ladies and gentlemen and fallopian tubers I am now going to put $650 aside for my dream dragon GTS V2 what a marvelous overcast day it is today almost feels like doomsday is coming 😂😂😂
Congratulations man! :)
@@JamiePineappleWyatt yep we're on our way to Black City scooter to put a deposit down hehe
@@JamiePineappleWyatt I was talking to one of the guys at bike City scooters And they've been having a massive rival t clash with other scooter shops and they're threatening to sue bike City scooters because I don't like why the prices are so reasonable and the batteries last a lot longer than most of a brand scooters
@@ryanwalter757 that honestly does not surprise me at all.
BSC are selling their scooters below RRP for their sales to help get them out the door and on the road and pass some savings on to us. Other shops don’t do that so much and don’t like it when their market gets undercut like that.
It can be pretty edgy in the business world.
Im guessing with batteries they’re talking about m365’s and their horrifying battery fault rate?
@@JamiePineappleWyatt yeah other scooter shops are really not liking their prices And it's probably because they just can't compete because other scooter shops they've got their price so freaking high up And especially when we're going through this Corona virus pandemic it's cheaper to buy a scooter from bike city scooter then it is to buy from everywhere else because let's face it who in the right frame of mind has around about $3,200 to two and a half grand for electric high-end scooter no one because everyone's getting laid off because of this Corona virus pandemic
Isn't the dragon Gts only 800 watts at peak power
Correct. This is not a base model GTS, it is a GTS v2 with dual motors.
@@JamiePineappleWyatt how come it's not on the website
@@ryanwalter757 I’m not actually sure, they were meant to put it up last week, I did suggest a single modification that needed to be addressed and that could be why. They could also be waiting on advertising materials too. Sorry they haven’t got it up yet, I’d give them a call and mention the code on my latest reddit post to get a small discount as they should still be able to sell you one :)
@@JamiePineappleWyatt yeah because I'm planning on buying one this year and I wasn't too sure whether I should go with that model or the Gtr V2 I want something that is capable of towing my luggage around yet still performing excellent off-road performance and yet having massive amounts of speed and having long distance on a single charge And I'm wondering whether this model is as good as the wolf warrior 11 scooter
@@ryanwalter757 you’re chasing something more along the lines of “The Beast” my man.