The Finnish Jägers In World War 1 I THE GREAT WAR On The Road
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During World War 1 Finnish volunteers were trained in Northern Germany. The 27th Jäger Battalion is an important part of Finnish history and we explored their beginnings in Hohenlockstedt or Lockstedter Lager as it was called in 1915.
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Their journey back to Finland was equally interesting time; They were smuggled on German U-Boats, along with their equipment through Russian seaminefields, back to home soil. One of the submarines sank/went missing on its way back, and to honor the crew, Finland erected a memorial to the archipelago, with a text translating to "For the memory of the men serving onboard German Submarine, the first soldiers to sacrifice their life for Finland's independence."
That was only some of them. Most came with s/s "Arcturus", a ship that went from Libau (Liepaja) in today's Latvia to Vaasa.
One of my classmates is from Hohenlockstedt and one of the streets there is called “Finnische Allee“ or “Finnish alley“ in honour of the men that trained there.
Arne Krug as a Finn i gotta say that's a great name for a street! Hah!
Almost, but not quite. "The Fininsh avenue", would be a more suitable translation. "Allee" is usually a street with Trees to the sides or in the middle.
Also #"The Great War" Jäger originally referred to light infantry. Jäger in WW1 was used to describe skirmishers, scouts, sharpshooters and runners.(for the most part)
"Ranger" would be a more deserving military translation. Great video cheers!
I cannot imagine a German officer enforcing a 'no beer' order.
I cannot imagine Finns following that order...
I can't imagine a German officer during WW1 not enforcing any order...
...but I do can imagine him to be found a few days later hanging (mysteriously strangled) over a spiked fence.
Perkele?
In case of Finns, I can. (I'm a Finn.)
Desperate times calls for desperate measures.
They needed to get some teaching and training through.
I would have said 'a Frenchman without wine'. I think there was a German unit in some war -- maybe not the Great War -- that mutinied for lack of beer.
Pannukakku, not pannukakka. There is quite a big difference.
Millers pancakes were made with digested waste material discharged from the bowels.
Pannukakku becomes pannukakka only after 24h, so it's not big of a differece anyway...
pannukakku=pancake
pannukakka=panpoop
very small differfeces
pannukakka = mämmi.
My great-great-grandfather, Heikki Peurala was one of these jägers. After fighting in the eastern front, he fought in Finnish civil war on the white side and he was killed in action in 1918. I respect him greatly and I'm grateful for what he did.
"... they became friends with the miller's daughter."
Must... resist... Chaucer... joke!
Love Finland from Hungary! :)
love to our southern cousins from a Finn
Hazzmati You should go back to elementary school.
köszönöm :)
Hazzmati Ah, I assume you're a hapsburg conspiracy theorist who forgot to take his anti-psychotic medicine?
Finno-Ugric is real, get over it
I wonder what else went on with the millers daughter.
I mean, there is something else here.
While the miller served them pannukakku, they served his daughter lots of makkara
A lot of oats were apparently sown...
Behave!
As a native Finn I approve of this video. Extra points for on-location shooting. 🖒
What would've happened if you had disapproved the video?
Tyynymyy I might have had to call in Simo Häyhä (although he was just a kid during The Great War). 😉
They learn to bang two things..
Guns
And
the Miller's Daughter.😂😂
The poor guy
5:30
It's "pannukakku" which means pancake. "pannukakka" as you clearly said it means panshit.
More like panpoo.
Oh, he knows what he said...
Pannukakku becomes pannukakka only after 24h, so it's not big of a differece anyway... (sorry, if I copy/paste. this needs to be rectified.)
Finland was declared as independent country in 1917. Yet, through 1917 - 1918 we had our civil war and through 1918 - 1919 Finland was recognised as independent country in international community. Still we finns do concider our first year of independence to be 1917. So the year 2017 was the 100th birthday of Finland and 2018 is the 100th anniversary of ending the civil war.
I think universally all soldiers complain about rations. When I was young I was told by many older men who had served as soldiers that if you like to eat to join the navy or air force but if you liked misery the army was the place to be.
To be fair, the US rations are probably better and you get a lot of them in comparison to Soviet ones.
Air Force chow was definitely better. When I was in the Army, we tried to go to the Air Force DFAC (Mess) as much as we could, since they accepted our Meal Cards and it was that much better.
SH is my home state, I never heard of that. I plan to visit the museum now. Great episode!
Half my ancestors lived in Finland until about 1900. They thought of themselves as Finnish, not Russian. They spoke Finnish and Swedish and their documents (birth certificates, baptism, passports, death notices, etc.) were all in Finnish. The passports said they were from Finland (Suomi) and made no mention of Russia. So the Czar trying to Russify Finland must have been a great shock and insult.
Blue Henrick: Blauer Heinrich: a sort of barley soup with carrots, onion, celery, potato, parsley some leek and some meat. The recipe differs by region.
@boristhebarbarian - thank you very much for explaining "Blue Henrick"!
Doesn’t sound terrible.
In a journal that one of the Jägers wrote he tells how they were tough how to row a boat with some German army units. The jägers did exactly as they where told until they where granted a short rest. The jägers didn't rest how ever, but started using rowing techniques they learned in Finland and basically just went a lot faster than they where expected to go
"Blauer Heinrich" is a soup made from pearl barleys, turnips and cabbage.
So I can understand that they weren't thrilled to eat it
The Prussian and Austro- Hungarian armies were known for their meager rations. The solution was to have a Bratkartoffelverhaeltnis or fried potatoes relationship with a lady cook.
The upper middle class had a lot of servants in those days and of course cooks. If you took up with one of these ladies, she would see to it that did not go hungry.
The brother of my grandfather was one of them. Unfortunately he died in Lockstedter Lager. Some years ago I found his grave at Ohlsdorf cemetary, close to the airport of Hamburg. It was a touching moment - and it was in fact hard for me to go away from there.
7:53
That's not completely correct. Two-thirds of the first 200 Pfadfinder/Pathfinders, mostly upper-class students from the capital, were Swedish-speakers. But in the later enlarged 2000 man Royal Prussian 27th Jäger Batallion, comprising no longer just upper-class students but just as many lower-class farmers and workers, the Swedish-speakers had declined to about one-fifth. There were also plans for a 28th Jäger Batallion but the daring underground recruitment in Finland was taking a toll by the increasing activity of the Russian Gendarmes in tracking down the Finnish recruitment movement so it was abandoned.
Long live Finland!
THANK YOU :D
They deserve it too, they are our finno brothers.
To this day, infantry in the Finnish Army are referred to as Jaakkari, or Jagers, in honor of the 27th Jager Regiment.
Scott MacKenzie Very close. The proper term would be "jääkäri".
He isnt finnish so he doesn't (probably) have the "ä" letter
Kittos, yes I am not Finnish but a big fennophile. Indeed, I'm wearing my Suomi shirt today - I bought it at a store near Senate Square three years ago. My kulta loves it. She's Finnish. Oh boy is she :)
Scott MacKenzie jäger* Jesus spell it correctly
dimapez I think you got the definitions of mechanized and motorized infantry a bit mixed. Motorized only utilizes unprotected vehicles such as trucks and cars, whereas mechanized uses protected vehicles like APCs and IFVs.
But in FDF all infantrymen are indeed known as jägers (without actually being any more lightly equipped than other countries' equivalent infantrymen) and they are all at least motorized - as is the case in most modern militaries - with the exception of border jägers, and the army commandos, who I'd call true light infantry.
Finally! I've been waiting this. Thank you so much
Barbedwire (obstacle) = Piikkilankaeste (which means Herring- or Fish casserole = Silakka- ja kalalaatikko)
That's finnish military humor in a sense
Excellent special episode, most enjoyable and informative!
this is a great channel. I love all of the in-depth information. THANKS!!
I love it that you made the trip and got so much research just to talk about a few thousand jägers. Great job with the channel all around, I took all the extra courses I could in history but never had insight such as this on the great war.
So fascinating to hear history from a foreigner who knows more about my country's history than I do.
Video is 9:59 long. so proud of you guys that you didn't stretch it over 10 minutes for mid-rolls. Keep up the great work.
greetings from Heidelberg
Thanks for the great episode Indy! I live in Vaasa where the Jägers landed in 25.2.1918 and the 100th anniversary commemoration of the event was just held. Also served in the FDF Army infantry which still today has Jaeger as the private rank.
would there be any videos of the commemoration?
Minäkin oon Vaasasta.
Excellent as always!
I've been waiting for this for a long long time.
I have so been waiting for this video to be uploaded.
Thank you for sharing this history of my country. Very interesting and great that the buildings still exists.
Thank you for this video!
Love this episode. Very different than being in the studio.
Thanks again guys !
This is the best ww1 Channel on CZcams !!
Here's a Finn who have visited that water tower and Lokstedt :) Thank you!
"fun" fact. More Finnish jägers died in a train incident than in the western front with German soldiers.
KOLMEKAKKONE thats called an interesting fact.
@@Pyro-et9vs Because finnish jägers fight in Eastern Front.
KOLMEKKAKONE,the Finnish Jägers did certainly NOT fight on the western front.They fought on the eastern front only.
excelente vídeo, like always
How pregnant was the Miller's daughter...
All of the pregnant.
Well Done Indy❕👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻
I have watch so many of these excellent history videos I feel you can knock on my door, come in, I'll get you a beer and we can sit and talk about the war. Thanks for these videos.
"Blauer Heinrich" is the nickname troops and public alike in germany gave to the low-fat milk that has been issued to them. The stuff for usual has not only been extremly low fat but also watered down to a point where the bottom of a cup - at these times often enameld blue on the inside - could be seen shimmering through the content. Even if said cup had been filled to the brim!
I have been waiting for an episode like this. I know about the winter war but I am so fuzzy about the country of my grandparents at this time.
Merry Christmas
Thank you for your amazing channels and for everything you do to educate armchair historians like me.
Hi Flo, Indy and team. I love the channel! Last week end we visit Verdun and saw the sign of towns that disappeared during the war. A question for out of the trenches : were this small village evacuated ? Or did the inhabitants died there? Thanks for answering and thanks for the great videos. I’ve started in November 17 and trying to catch up. I’m starting 1917 now.... :)
I like it when you talk about "less relevant" or more unknown units or aspects of the war, like here.
Interesting turn of event. Love all this content. On a side note, what kind of jacket are you wearing?
9:10 Speaking of what flags symbolize please Google Finnish air force flag. It was Before the Germans. It is to this day on the flags of air force units. Pretty stubborn to march under swastika in 2019 because history but we Finns are pretty stubborn :)
This is awesome. I found out today, after researching my ancestry, that an ancestor is among the Finish Jaegers. Who fought the Red FInns and eventually in the Winter War
Cool one more special unit covered =)
Do you plan to do one about the US Marines and French Chasseurs Alpins or Légion Etrangère too ?
K Z Well the Marines were brazenly bold and suffered heavy casualties in the Battle of Belleau Wood before successfully expelling the Germans.
impalabeeper they ll tell about that story when it's time will come.
K Z I don't know how different the training of USMC compared with other special forces but the former is considered elite in their own right (during World War II the "normal" marines were envious of the Marine Task Force Raiders who thought they were being one-upped by "elites within the elites").
I didn't say taking casualties grants a unit some special status. It's just interesting because the Marines fearlessly charged into the enemy whilst the other Entente have had the luxury of experience of knowing not to do that anymore.
K Z Now to be fair, the Wikipedia entry is uncited but since you asked about where I got my claims about the Marine raiders: "However, despite the original intent for Raiders to serve in a special operations capacity, most combat operations saw the Raiders employed as conventional infantry. This, combined with the resentment within the rest of the Marine Corps that the Raiders were an "elite force within an elite force", led to the eventual abandonment of the experiment."
"There’s nothing WRONG with Marines, but they are nothing special compared to any Army infantry unit,"
Could you tell me how the Marines not not differ with the army? LIke I said, I don't know specifically how the USMC are trained but I do know that Philippine Marines are trained way harder than normal Philippine infantry from the beginning. I don't see any reason why the USMC would be trained vastly different considering that the Ph military is organised with the basic framework as the US military because PH was under American rule, and then freed with still the same US model in just about everything.
K Z The Wikipedia entry is uncited but the passage is too detailed to be mere conjectures don't you think? In which case, there are two sources from where the entry came from.
bearworks.missouristate.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=2174&context=theses
www.marines.mil/Portals/59/Publications/From%20Makin%20to%20Bougainville-Marine%20Raiders%20in%20the%20Pacific%20War%20PCN%2019000313000_1.pdf
Great editing on this.BTW when are you next in Blighty boys? Saw you at Store Marie's last year.
Please do a overall video about Serbia in WW1, if you haven't already. Love the channel btw.
quality video
You MUST watch the animated film Sgt. Stubby and make a video on it! Keep up the great channel!
So, did they Finnish their training?
I see what you did there. Hahaha!
They finnished their training when Russians rushed at them during Winter War.
Oh you just had to Do it, didn't you?
That made my day
I'm sure they trained the Miller's daughter
Excellent story!
Would be great to see a follow up.
I love Indy's hand motions. It's like he's explaining that what plants crave is electrolytes.
Will you make a special video about German Asia Corps
fascinating story!!!
When jäger stops...jäger digs.
My father used to talk about his army times in FDF. Food was one subject and one common food served there was called "piikkilanka" or "barbed wire" and that was something like potato-fish stew IIRC. Whole fishes with spines and ribs so that´s probably where the name comes from.
About 3-4 years ago i was working as summer worker as a guide in my local museum here, in Finland. There was an exhibition about Hohenlockstedt going on at those weeks. As i read about it and told visitors what i had learned about it, i learned a lot by myself too. Like in fact, there was local people involved in getting volunteers in this training and they actually smuggled them, were hiding them from Russian officers, and just helped in any way! I wish i can recall more memories about this soon 😀
323 323 I live in Schleswig-Holstein and one of my classmates is from Hohenlockstedt.
One of the streets there is called “Finnische Allee“ or “Finish Alley“.
Arne Krug Oh nice, that's interesting fact to know, thanks! I have always been really into history :D
Please do a video about the cuisine at the front and in the training fields, and for a plus all the crew have to eat something
Nikeayuiop I used to own a book written during the Korean War where US soldiers were briefly attached to a French Foreign Legion combat outfit. Not only did these personnel eat magnificently but there were assigned prostitutes deeply respected by the serving Legionaires. In WW1 the idea of calling the food being served as cuisine would have been received with hoots of laughter. Feeding thousands of men,cooking the food then somehow moving that food through the communication and support trenches,it would arrive cold or frozen. The German horse drawn cookery wagons were remarked on as being able to do a remarkable job with limited ingredients.
British Army was known for its tinned cans of such things as bully beef,often from Argentina. Boring but nutritious. Each nation did their best as men living in the open need more food than when living in houses. Removing the human waste was another intractable problem but another subject.
Best I can do. No doubt others with knowledge will add to this comment section.
Hi indy and team this is for out of the trenches can you tell me so facts and info on yorkshire and the men they sent to fight thank you and keepup the great work
Hey indy i was wondering if you have ever heard of the alternate history game "Kaiserreich" that takes place in a world where germany won ww1. Ive been playing it lately and was hoping you maybe had a thought or maybe even could do a side episode on it. Have an awesome day great war team !
This was inttresting
You gotta love those Pannukakku's :D
Had not heard the claims that Finns jagers had asked the training from Japan etc. before Germany. Have to look it up, if accurate nice ad in information :)
Why were the Germans worried about a diplomatic scandal. Didn't the Russians do the exact same thing with the Czech Legion? I don't recall any diplomatic fallout from that.
Czech's weren't in the German empire if I recall. They were part of Austro-Hungary. Point still stands though!
Kept expecting to hear that the miller's daughter married one of the Finns...
Are you going to discuss the relations between monarchs during Before, During & After? (Relation of Nicholas, Wilhelm and George)
gotta good source on that topic?
The Great War there was a source on the web where both Nicholas and Wilhelm Communicate during the periods of the war but its currently archived and can’t be publicly access.
My great grandfather was a in the 27th jäger battalion.
Big difference between pannukakku and pannukakka. Pannu=pan, kakku=cake, kakka=poo.
VompoVompatti plot twist, the pancakes were actually really bad so they called them pannukakka
Where’s the Ludendorff special??
I have to ask: what kind Of international incident could come of this once they were at war? I understand wanting to be trained some distance from Russia as they could be seen as traitors but what political consequence could possibly face Germany? It's not like they could threaten war, they're already at war? Or am i totally confused?
If captured any Fin fighting for Germany could be executed as a spy. Also it would have justified active recruitment of even pressinf of POWs into foreign armies.
their are other countries that might have a problem with them giving pepole military training like that.
I'm also wondering about that.
It's a war crime to press PoWs and foreign citizens to fight, even worse against their own country. Not that it was the case, it seems. But they could charge them with that to justify other courses of action. It's just bad publicity to do this.
But if I remember correctly, the Germans did just that with Muslim colonial troops in the French and British armies. TGW Facebook page had a short article about a mosque built in Berlin (I think) for the benefit of PoWs from Algeria, Senegal, India, etc. The point was to make them feel 'at home' as much as possible, and also to convince them to fight against their infidel overlords and possibly gain independence. Few Muslims fell for it, though.
Hi guys, question for you here, will you still post on this channel after the war ends ?
Will you rename it, (WW2 maybe), or you'll stop it's activity, love the show, give Indy a raise.
Time to Finnish what we started
Finland: the only nation to fight with Germany and win both times.
Indy! Did you have a Red Bull or a couple cups of coffee prior to recording? You were rattling this off in a frenzy!
I've been on the channel since the beginning. Indy was amped for this one!
Scout training in lieu of more martial instruction is feasible unless the soldiers are to be part of the cavalry, mounted motorbike division or any unit that requires sitting painlessly on a hard surface.
Question for Oott - was there any naval boarding actions similar to the altmark incident of ww2 fame?
8:10 Why is Indy doing the robot? Dude looks like C-3PO
Interesting how in all of Finland's wars they fought against Russia. WW1, the Finnish civil war (the Reds were supported by the Soviets), the Winter War, and the Continuation War.
So much attention for finland. I feel neglected. Do a special about english cabaret in holland during the great war plz.
Indy trying to say "pannukakku" was sad
Pannukakka onnistu aivan hyvin.
At least, he tried!
pancake became panshit. Just small error :)
Pauli+ More like panpoo.
Phannucaca
An episod on Belgium military during ww1?
Will you do a video about the U.S. marines?
at 09:47 you mention that you can eat at the canteen. I have just one question. Has the food improved since ww1?
It must have improved, otherwise, I cannot imagine that the restaurant would be able to stay in business!
"Pannukakka"...I wonder if Indy would like to know what he said with his misspronounciation?
I've commented on it before, but I think it's important enough to say again that the Finnish word for an infantryman (jääkäri) still stems from the word Jäger.
*Pannukakka*
Could you talk about Swedish soldiers in the french army
The Kaiser flip-flopped? Well I never.
does anybody know of any books on this subject, it seems quite interesting
Oh, you KNOW Flo down with Blue Henrik! (Cuz he nasty.)