JFC Industries, LLC - Open Top Unit Train Unloading 11,000 Ton unit trains of aggregate unloaded in 12 hours or less with 2 excavators www.jfcindustries.com
This is how I spent my Saturday today, only I was in a truck. We unloaded 100 cars in Avard Oklahoma started at 6 am, they turned me loose at 330pm. I was lucky though, I was the only bobtail ant the front excavator was done 5 cars faster.
Back in the day before we worried about time clock's and log books and on board recorders. We would haul asphalt all night Start at 6pm work till 6am. Then go work in the stone yard from 6-11am. Then another guy would finish out till 5pm, Refuel the truck and meet you and the asphalt plant and start the process all over again. 5 and often 6 days a week. Then the concern about hours of service started. So you would do your 12 hrs on asphalt and then had another guy come in and he would unload rail cars for 12 hrs. Either way, those trucks where working 24 hours a day a minimum of 6 days a week. It didn't matter if you got rained out, They'd just put 2 more excavators to work in the rail yard, Go get in line. There was times we'd get behind and they'd offer Sunday work. Half a day, Started at 12:30- 5:00 so you could go to church.
Unloading this way may seem inneficient but if they had this many hopper cars with doors on the bottom to unload product, I guarantee they would run into alot of door problems and malfunctioning which would force them to have service crews working to get the doors open and fixed at which time the unloading process would be slowed down. Bottom dump railcar doors also leak small particle product out of the doors when they get a little abused and small gaps are created around the door seals. It's possible for alot of product to leak out going down the rails with all the vibration that occurs in a train so companies have their reasons for why they do things a certain way.
From the looks of it, it seem like a small rail yard in a city. There is some site that need stone, a lot of it. Make sense to transload the stone using readily available machines than to built a temporary temp rail site for side or bottom dump rail cars.
@@ralphaverill2001 11,000 tons in 11 hours with 2 (16 ton) machines does not satisfy you? Yes there are faster ways but sometimes it just doesn't make sense to invest in infrastructure for a non-permanent job/plant. Like for instance highway construction. To have invested 3-4M$ in a car dumper and conveyers and a locomotive plus personell only to abandon it a few years later would be foolish. And we tried the basket idea already.
@@jasonwhiteside2174 It satisfies me just fine. It isn't my money. And it won't matter to me when one of those excavators tips over onto one of those dump trucks, or gets hung up moving from one hopper car to another. If it's ok with your insurance company, it's ok with me. I've seen mobile rock crushing set-ups with any number of configurable gravel transport schemes, They move in, set up, operate for a few weeks or months, break down, and move on to another location. They could adapt to your operation and move with you. But it's your operation, do what you want.
Gondolas are not efficient for aggregates as are hoppers.This method of transferring gravel from railcar to truck looks so 4th-world-ish. Hoppers with bottom hatches were invented for a reason: efficiency and speed.
These cars don’t dump out the bottom. Not every facility that receives these cars are set up to unload hoppers. They have no pit or conveyor systems. How else would you recommend that we unload these gondolas? Looks pretty efficient to me.
Rip rap in a hopper car?? Even base or sb-2 gets clogged in the pit. Most customers that utilize this service don't want to spend the bucks on the setup you speak of. Especially on temporary plants made just for one highway construction or major repave. It is a bit primitive but with 2 mid size excavators, 2 men, we put 12,000 tons in the pile in less than one 12 hour shift.
Samuel McCloud did you ever think that not every town or siding deserves the cost of constructing bottom dump conveyor systems? Maybe this was a one-time job that made sense to take one or two days to unload thousands and thousands of tons of rock one time and be done. Maybe a single view of this on CZcams isn’t all it takes for you to make a definitive decision on how they are doing it wrong. Maybe, the ones paying for it have actually researched it and decided on the best and least expensive method.
Looks efficient to me. I'm a dump truck driver my question is, Is there a scale on the excavator, so the operator knows how much rock to put in the truck? And how do they get on and off the train? Cool video.
How's your day? 1st day - Amazing, I learnt how to unload a couple of rail cars week later - I unloaded a hundred+ cars today 6 months later - I only unloaded 1 train
Samuel McCloud that would require a considerable capital investment. These two excavators can do this in any yard where the sidings can be accessed easily. It’s actually pretty fast considering the alternatives.
No conveyor loader will beat the setup cost of an excavator nor the time cost of one person for a day to operate the excavator, versus what is capital tied up in a loader that only does one thing.
Why would anyone invest so much in something to serve what seems to be a temporary operation? These unloading sites aren't permanent or experience varying volumes based on the projects requiring the material, unlike something like a coal-fired power plant designed to operate for 30 years or more.
Those size of cars should be 120-140 ton. There probably loading 30-32 ton in each truck there in the yard. So figure it from there. The taller and longer cars will carry a bite more. But there not used very often on lime stone like this.
@@Pyle81 Thanks for the response I like seeing crushed rock or stone being loaded and handled, especially gravel and aggregate. Keep up the good work and keep posting.
Neat vid and view from up top. Looks pretty efficient for whatever project this was intended (those talking about how inefficient this is haven't really thought this through, much less planned or bid such transload facilities). I think I'd be bored to death either operating or driving that endless loop, though. lol Thanks for sharing this.
I do agree with you on the efficient part of it but either using a tipper with a conveyor or dump under the trains into a hopper would be way cheaper. They must not have a big area to work with so that's why this operation is set up like it is. Be different if those trucks getting loaded were taking all that rock to customers but their not and it's just getting stockpiled. Those trucks, depending on location, will fetch up to $150 an hour and at the end of the day that's alot of money for such a short haul. Plus it's not possible to get all the rock out unless you have a guy inside with a shovel trying to get it all out. True story
Anybody with experience, is there a ramp to get the excavator up there? Or are they doing it the old fashioned way of lifting the yracka and then using the boom?
I want to know the same thing, I hope it’s not what I’m thinking. I’m hoping there is a ramp some where… But I’m almost certain they got up there by lifting the tracks up to an edge, turning around and using the boom to push them up while tracking in the necessary direction… just seems risky
Hello Jason Fleming, would it possible to contact you regarding one of your videos i.e via mail? I would love to discuss a permission to use it if this is possible. Greetings!
I agree. I was on a cat 740b ADT for 8 months it was fun going through rough terrain even our haul roads were bad due to rainy conditions. But eventually it gets boring driving all day.
Have you never saw that video of a JCB or you call it a backo anyway it managed to get up there on its own with the help of amazing operator, maybe these got up with the help of a ramp away at the start, it's not as hard as you think but it's not for a starter for sure,these people know what they doing, plus moving to each one takes a lot of balls...
TheAudiostud It would be impossible to load trucks with a bucket that wide. You would have to swing around 90 degrees and be parallel with the truck. Also it wouldn’t get the corners of the cars clean since the boom is not exactly centered with the railcar.
Would like to know how the jcb is mounted on top of the wagon. 2.can the wagon can with stand the weight of a jcb. 3. How the jcb can move from one wagon to another wagon. 4.what about the last wagon.. how it will be unloaded. 5.any intelligent person who has seen the video may explain in simple words. 25th November 2023.
@@zipvork4414 I had one on demonstration a few years ago and yeah, it was slow. The dealership sent a fitter out to look at the pressures, he did some fiddling with it and it was Much quicker.
We use a steel ramp that hooks on the end or the side of the railcar. Kinda sketchy but it works. Search on youtube for "whiteside excavation" and you will see both methods pop up. Gonna try to add them to this channel.
With trucks, its all on with rev-matching, you only use clutch coming off of 1st gear or in reverse, with my vid with the petetbilt that's how it is, can check it out
It's difficult hitting the trucks without spilling as they are at 72". You're talking about adding another 3ft to a machine that comes stock witha 24" bucket, lol. It would be messy plus more likely to break dogbones and stress the stick(more leverage for the bucket to break stuff).
This is a VERY SLOW PROCESS for Bulk unloading, IF THERE should be INFRASTRUCTURE ADVANCEMENT (which is possible) THEN IT CAN BE DONE WITHOUT USING PROCLAIN/EXCAVATOR and in Min. Amount of TIME.
One doesn't build a dedicated unloading infrastructure if the unloading site will only be used for a few months or years. This method works perfectly fine for short term operations.
Jasen filming fron California (boron) ??? Nice way to spend your time , kool I could do this , I have one Link-belt, lol, nice I love to watch and learn when they climb up on the gondolas , kool thanks BigAl California.
![Part 3 - Climbing Into A Gondola [Excavator Unloading Gondolas at FtLaud Airport]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/e7qrdaMq2tI/mqdefault.jpg)
Amazing! Hardly a drop spilt by the shovel operator. Thanks a lot, Colin UK 🇬🇧
I like heavy equipment. The operator is a very good skill. Very good engine sound. Thank you from Japan.
Greetings from Zimbabwe I also like the video and credit
Those 2 operators are incredibly smooth. Great job. Too bad the rail cars aren't belly dumps that could be emptied with a belly conveyor system.
This is how I spent my Saturday today, only I was in a truck. We unloaded 100 cars in Avard Oklahoma started at 6 am, they turned me loose at 330pm. I was lucky though, I was the only bobtail ant the front excavator was done 5 cars faster.
Back in the day before we worried about time clock's and log books and on board recorders. We would haul asphalt all night Start at 6pm work till 6am. Then go work in the stone yard from 6-11am. Then another guy would finish out till 5pm, Refuel the truck and meet you and the asphalt plant and start the process all over again. 5 and often 6 days a week. Then the concern about hours of service started. So you would do your 12 hrs on asphalt and then had another guy come in and he would unload rail cars for 12 hrs. Either way, those trucks where working 24 hours a day a minimum of 6 days a week. It didn't matter if you got rained out, They'd just put 2 more excavators to work in the rail yard, Go get in line. There was times we'd get behind and they'd offer Sunday work. Half a day, Started at 12:30- 5:00 so you could go to church.
That's precision work. And fast! And you could hardly empty the wagon more thoroughly if you had a broom....
......and a dustpan...cordless Dirt Devil even?
Awesome as always...Thank you for this great rail therapy
Looks like a active railyard in a City.
Os caras são feras mesmo!!Parabéns!!
I credit these two operators especially when they go to the next car and it’s metal on metal
So goods works loading rock dum truck nicee 👍👍👍👍👍
Wow this is great! The tracks just fit perfectly inside the railroad hopper cars, wonder who first came up with this brilliant unloading technique?
Probably some guys who got tired of shoveling 😂😂
I like the idea of modeling this in Nscale
As I tried to say Jason fleming from California (boron) ??!? Kool love watching these guys and gals , kool thanks BigAl California.
Unloading this way may seem inneficient but if they had this many hopper cars with doors on the bottom to unload product, I guarantee they would run into alot of door problems and malfunctioning which would force them to have service crews working to get the doors open and fixed at which time the unloading process would be slowed down. Bottom dump railcar doors also leak small particle product out of the doors when they get a little abused and small gaps are created around the door seals. It's possible for alot of product to leak out going down the rails with all the vibration that occurs in a train so companies have their reasons for why they do things a certain way.
From the looks of it, it seem like a small rail yard in a city. There is some site that need stone, a lot of it. Make sense to transload the stone using readily available machines than to built a temporary temp rail site for side or bottom dump rail cars.
How do they unload the last car in the train? No "next car" to drive to.
Nate Hill
Unload 3/4 of the last car from up top and then get machine down and finish from the ground
a platform (with a ramp )
is placed at the end of the train to load and unload the excavator
That seems horribly inefficient...
Neat process. Do you have a video of how they get the excavators on top of the rail cars?
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another more specialised digger
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Nice work smooth operators
Modern railway in the U.S. ...
That’s so stupid, I can’t find words for it.
Agreed! Still, it's better than coolies carrying baskets of gravel on their heads. But not much.
@@ralphaverill2001 11,000 tons in 11 hours with 2 (16 ton) machines does not satisfy you? Yes there are faster ways but sometimes it just doesn't make sense to invest in infrastructure for a non-permanent job/plant. Like for instance highway construction. To have invested 3-4M$ in a car dumper and conveyers and a locomotive plus personell only to abandon it a few years later would be foolish. And we tried the basket idea already.
@@jasonwhiteside2174 It satisfies me just fine. It isn't my money. And it won't matter to me when one of those excavators tips over onto one of those dump trucks, or gets hung up moving from one hopper car to another. If it's ok with your insurance company, it's ok with me. I've seen mobile rock crushing set-ups with any number of configurable gravel transport schemes, They move in, set up, operate for a few weeks or months, break down, and move on to another location. They could adapt to your operation and move with you.
But it's your operation, do what you want.
That must be stockpile work. Those trucks had to be carrying 80 tons or more.
Nice video, good job.
289 youtube excavtor operators give the thumbs dwn awseome vid
Beautiful macks!!
Nah, Kenworth W900 and other high-long hoods the real classic beauts!
Gondolas are not efficient for aggregates as are hoppers.This method of transferring gravel from railcar to truck looks so 4th-world-ish. Hoppers with bottom hatches were invented for a reason: efficiency and speed.
These cars don’t dump out the bottom. Not every facility that receives these cars are set up to unload hoppers. They have no pit or conveyor systems. How else would you recommend that we unload these gondolas? Looks pretty efficient to me.
Rip rap in a hopper car?? Even base or sb-2 gets clogged in the pit. Most customers that utilize this service don't want to spend the bucks on the setup you speak of. Especially on temporary plants made just for one highway construction or major repave. It is a bit primitive but with 2 mid size excavators, 2 men, we put 12,000 tons in the pile in less than one 12 hour shift.
Hoppers are more expensive also.
Samuel McCloud did you ever think that not every town or siding deserves the cost of constructing bottom dump conveyor systems? Maybe this was a one-time job that made sense to take one or two days to unload thousands and thousands of tons of rock one time and be done.
Maybe a single view of this on CZcams isn’t all it takes for you to make a definitive decision on how they are doing it wrong.
Maybe, the ones paying for it have actually researched it and decided on the best and least expensive method.
Looks efficient to me. I'm a dump truck driver my question is,
Is there a scale on the excavator, so the operator knows how much rock to put in the truck?
And how do they get on and off the train?
Cool video.
How's your day?
1st day - Amazing, I learnt how to unload a couple of rail cars
week later - I unloaded a hundred+ cars today
6 months later - I only unloaded 1 train
I see big train cars, big trucks, big excavators...and I hear meep meep horn like a Honda Civic or something.
Cool vid, though!
Smooth operator.
This just doesn't seem efficient to me.
Хорошая разгрузка, минимум человеческой силы. У нас вагон открой вручную, почисть, закрой, вокруг рельс почисть... Жопа. А тут четко все. ))
А у нас есть ВРС-75.
When I did this we were unloading coke. We used a 345 and they had a sort of bridge to sit on over the train. I was loading 40 ton Hitachi trucks.
belas imagens ta de parabéns
Super work .Good employs
If these were hoppers they would all be unloaded in no more than 15 minutes. A conveyor loader would then fill these dump trucks in a jiffy.
Samuel McCloud that would require a considerable capital investment. These two excavators can do this in any yard where the sidings can be accessed easily. It’s actually pretty fast considering the alternatives.
I was thinking the same thing.. seems like handling the material too many times would cost more labor over time than leasing a stacker..
No conveyor loader will beat the setup cost of an excavator nor the time cost of one person for a day to operate the excavator, versus what is capital tied up in a loader that only does one thing.
What state was at and i never knew they really did this
Louisiana but mostly work in Tx
Ok im in texas i never knew thats how they did that
Rail car loaded to max capacity of 286,000lbs plus add 44,000lbs weight of the excavator on top of that. Rail cars are way overloaded.
It must take a few miles for them to stop if you have been going the average speed,
Um the rail cars are already stopped in the railyard.
Might think about a tipper...be cheaper than all that fuel for the excavators.
Why would anyone invest so much in something to serve what seems to be a temporary operation? These unloading sites aren't permanent or experience varying volumes based on the projects requiring the material, unlike something like a coal-fired power plant designed to operate for 30 years or more.
This is just awesome, I wonder what's the tonnage of each box car??
Those size of cars should be 120-140 ton. There probably loading 30-32 ton in each truck there in the yard. So figure it from there. The taller and longer cars will carry a bite more. But there not used very often on lime stone like this.
@@Pyle81 Thanks for the response I like seeing crushed rock or stone being loaded and handled, especially gravel and aggregate. Keep up the good work and keep posting.
Worked a rock train before goin behind them and scooping all the left over rocks out.
Neat vid and view from up top. Looks pretty efficient for whatever project this was intended (those talking about how inefficient this is haven't really thought this through, much less planned or bid such transload facilities). I think I'd be bored to death either operating or driving that endless loop, though. lol Thanks for sharing this.
I do agree with you on the efficient part of it but either using a tipper with a conveyor or dump under the trains into a hopper would be way cheaper. They must not have a big area to work with so that's why this operation is set up like it is. Be different if those trucks getting loaded were taking all that rock to customers but their not and it's just getting stockpiled. Those trucks, depending on location, will fetch up to $150 an hour and at the end of the day that's alot of money for such a short haul. Plus it's not possible to get all the rock out unless you have a guy inside with a shovel trying to get it all out. True story
Anybody with experience, is there a ramp to get the excavator up there? Or are they doing it the old fashioned way of lifting the yracka and then using the boom?
Skillfull ,brave ;love the macks what type are they chu,cxu,pinacle or titan...? (Looks like titan's to me)Would love to work here 😃😃🖒
No its pinacle 😃🖒
Ya se inventaron las cintas transportadoras y otros metodos mas rapidos y baratos!
Хорошая рацуха!
How is the escavators getting up on the trainwagons?
This would make a great model railroad diaroma
Video of them getting up the ....Ramp
Very nice video 👍
The only question I got is how did they get up there? Lol
I want to know the same thing, I hope it’s not what I’m thinking. I’m hoping there is a ramp some where…
But I’m almost certain they got up there by lifting the tracks up to an edge, turning around and using the boom to push them up while tracking in the necessary direction… just seems risky
Great operators, but not very efficient method of unloading
Sometimes its the only way....
Be a bugger if you backed of the end wagon
Вот это комикадзе
Almost clean... What the heck
Hello Jason Fleming, would it possible to contact you regarding one of your videos i.e via mail? I would love to discuss a permission to use it if this is possible. Greetings!
Long. Boring day for the truck drivers
yeah ? how much do you think they are making an hour ? I could be that bored..............
Tyson Walsh, they aren’t truck drivers, those are Macks.
I agree. I was on a cat 740b ADT for 8 months it was fun going through rough terrain even our haul roads were bad due to rainy conditions. But eventually it gets boring driving all day.
@@dozer1642 4-letter word.
Long boring day for everyone!
Nice bottle toss from your trucker there, id bet its still there no?
How the hell they get up there
Have you never saw that video of a JCB or you call it a backo anyway it managed to get up there on its own with the help of amazing operator, maybe these got up with the help of a ramp away at the start, it's not as hard as you think but it's not for a starter for sure,these people know what they doing, plus moving to each one takes a lot of balls...
@@stevenclark6209 the real question is y he didnt 🎥 them getting up there
This is how they do it: czcams.com/video/e7qrdaMq2tI/video.html
@@rsijbranda yeah that is how they do it a ramp or base what ever it's called but it takes a great operator to handle this..
They build a ramp and jump them up there
I make 135 nice work Jason
Okay this sounds like a stupid question but why not build a bucket the width of the inside of the wagon 🛠🤔
TheAudiostud
It would be impossible to load trucks with a bucket that wide. You would have to swing around 90 degrees and be parallel with the truck. Also it wouldn’t get the corners of the cars clean since the boom is not exactly centered with the railcar.
Guess I don't understand or have ever seen train loads of stone. I live in Southwest Ohio and we have quarry's everywhere around here.
They still do this in Ohio
smylebutta7250 u never loaded train cars
Когда учились в институте наши ребята ходили выгружать вагоны с щебенкой с лопатой на 30 руб стипендий долго не протянешь
Let him do the same distance as clean as that on dirt no steel to stop the bucket from sinking dipper
Use to go inside after they and sweep the remaining product out worst job in the world
how do you sweep it 8 feet above you lol
Sounds pretty easy
Worst job: Kicking bags in a carbon black plant.
This just seems so inefficient.
Now that's awesome
Would like to know how the jcb is mounted on top of the wagon.
2.can the wagon can with stand the weight of a jcb.
3. How the jcb can move from one wagon to another wagon.
4.what about the last wagon.. how it will be unloaded.
5.any intelligent person who has seen the video may explain in simple words.
25th November 2023.
nice work......
Interessante Verlade ...
Circuit court and good health u can do it in the forthcoming years of the earliest
The guy to the left is faster.
Bigger bucket on the sumitomo vs kobelco 160. They're both good operators though.
Kobelco’s are pretty slow.
It’s cuz his digger is red. Everyone knows red is faster than yellow.
@@zipvork4414 I had one on demonstration a few years ago and yeah, it was slow. The dealership sent a fitter out to look at the pressures, he did some fiddling with it and it was Much quicker.
Yer i was looking at the race too 😃😃
watch that linkbelt guy he is really fast
Is that a link-belt on the right?
Yes the black and white machine is an Link-Belt 160X2 other is a Kobelco SK160
Gap yoq lekin chi ekskavartchika
How do they get up on the car in the first place?
We use a steel ramp that hooks on the end or the side of the railcar. Kinda sketchy but it works. Search on youtube for "whiteside excavation" and you will see both methods pop up. Gonna try to add them to this channel.
@BrandonPryorMusic...: czcams.com/video/e7qrdaMq2tI/video.html
O. K. That's were u make good money i need that job
where are you located?
Brian Gardiner
Texas and Louisiana
@@jasonfleming4238 do you have a platform to get the excavators on the gondolas?
Brian Gardiner
We use a big steel ramp
That was cool
Cool
looks like a real good job how will I join?
My kinda job nice
If this was uk h&s would have a fit🤣
Job security. Lol!
Can i drive a excavator
Who are the dump truck companies that yall use i want to learn to drive a dump truck
With trucks, its all on with rev-matching, you only use clutch coming off of 1st gear or in reverse, with my vid with the petetbilt that's how it is, can check it out
How many trucks per car
How many tons will one car hold?
Bobby Horn they average about 115 tons per car.
why don't they get a bucket the same width as the train car?
thoguth the same but neeeds a deeper buccket
Why don’t you make one and sell it to them?
It's difficult hitting the trucks without spilling as they are at 72". You're talking about adding another 3ft to a machine that comes stock witha 24" bucket, lol. It would be messy plus more likely to break dogbones and stress the stick(more leverage for the bucket to break stuff).
And then half the material falls over the edge of the truck.
Like 👌👍🤝😄😄😄
1 stop,1 forward and 2 reverse?
No. This is transport.
There must be a better way maybe if it came out the bottom on a system that took it along and out,pilled it up some where...
How many time in one car unload.
Under ideal conditions, 10 minutes(115 ton car).
@@jasonwhiteside2174 okay thanks
Em qui País fica localizado descarregamento
This is a VERY SLOW PROCESS for Bulk unloading, IF THERE should be INFRASTRUCTURE ADVANCEMENT (which is possible) THEN IT CAN BE DONE WITHOUT USING PROCLAIN/EXCAVATOR and in Min. Amount of TIME.
Obviously they dont car or its not built yet to why its done this way. Get over it.
One doesn't build a dedicated unloading infrastructure if the unloading site will only be used for a few months or years. This method works perfectly fine for short term operations.
How much the salary for hour.doing those job??
I'm interested in knowing too.
how does he get the grane out the box
Grane? You are a dumbass...😂🤣😜😆💩👎
Where's that at
Judging by the CHTT railcars (chicago heights terminal transfer) i would think Illinois or possibly Indiana... however, their website says texas.
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Jasen filming fron California (boron) ??? Nice way to spend your time , kool I could do this , I have one Link-belt, lol, nice I love to watch and learn when they climb up on the gondolas , kool thanks BigAl California.
Cop too
Got to be BORING all day and week doing that !
Cake job but damn would be boring
Как последний вагон выгружают?
Их нету.
@@user-me6dt4bk6q нашел видео, там подставка металическая, трактор на неё вылезает, а потом на землю
У нас за минуту разгружают 😀