I am now a retired carpenter from Australia, but we have been doing this since before I started my apprenticeship in 1971. Your video makes it sound like something new.
This old house showed this type of system being used a season or two ago. It's pretty neat but the big thing is how this can help build great quality houses at more affordable prices IF done right. Technology paired with good craftspeople is a great thing!
This type of Factory house framing has been going on since the early seventies, I was involved and building some as a high-school student in the early 70s
Megumi if I ever wanted anything done in a factory for my new house I would order thermasteel walls or similar product than this out of wood and fiberglass not reliable panels
Back in the 1980s or 90s, I remember seeing a TV program about a company that took this a couple of steps farther. They built whole sections of houses in a factory, to be trucked to job sites, lifted by cranes and bolted together. These modules were complete with drywall, insulation, sheathing, windows, wiring and rough plumbing.
I went and saw BMC here in Denver yesterday (1/24/2020). I was told that they charge $0.30 a sq ft. My house is going to be 1582 sq ft. ranch with an unfinished basement. So my cost will be $474.60. They will look through my plans and line up the joists for plumbing and can have rafters over studs if required. They also provide a "map" (my choice of word) to show how the walls go up and what the square measurement should be for the wall. The time frame from the submittal of plans to delivery of lumber is five business days. This means that once you give them your drawings, they can have everything cut and packaged and delivered on the fifth day. I was told it only takes about an hour to cut an average size houses wood and to have it stacked. They will hold your wood in stacks. Meaning, I can have my joist and flooring delivered and hold off on the 1st-floor framing. I can then call to have the 1st-floor framing delivered the next day. I can then frame the 1st floor and when I am ready for the 2nd floor I just call for the next day delivery. When done with that, I can request the roof. Everything is cut and ready to be sent out, it is stored wrapped up to protect against the elements. I like the idea of not storing everything on site all at once. Also, if something changes on your build and you need something different, it requires two business days. Its not a bad deal. I was told they are competitive on lumber prices. They also provide LVL's and LSL's. I have yet to submit my plans, but when I do, I will provide an update as far as lumber cost and how it relates to other lumberyards.
This is a way to build a house like a giant cabinet. Tolerances can be tight, and waste can be low. We toured a builder in Vermont that did this (and was featured on a TOH series) and besides the excellent quality, the reduction in waste was incredible. The dumpster subs are gonna hate it! Finally, the ability to build cabinet grade exterior trim packages is extremely valuable. All done in relatively controlled climate and has to be safer. Lots to like about this, and hope to see much more of it in Texas.
As a remodel contractor I've done work on scores of older homes and happen to live in a Sears kit home from the 40's. Hands down the Sears home is the best built older home I've come across. How much of this has to do with it being a kit I don't know. I just know that since I've lived and worked in this home I've been an advocate for bringing back the kit house.
This is the norm in New Zealand everything is done in factory even rafters with all the multiple cut angles pretty good really. Though something's they get wrong eg racking walls due to gauging in timber. We call it prenail👍🤙
We actually have a two story farm house that is a Sears kit house. Originally bought by a school teacher, upon delivery the men of Studley KA built the house, with full basement in three days. We are the third owner of the house. Believe it or not, still has original Windows and doors. Some of the boards on the porch have been replaced because of weather and age. The original steps long ago rotted away and were replaced with cement steps in the 40s. Ok to live in during the summer, but you do not want to try to survive a blue northern winter in it. Heaters and fireplaces just cannot keep up.
I put new doors and windows in my 1949 Sears house, then spray foam insulation where convenient, and sealed cracks where possible, and now the house is reasonable to heat and cool.
This is a pretty common approach to building in many european countries, noteably Germany and the scandenavian countries, and there are many examples here in the UK - although not common here. As a manufacturing Engineer I have always been amazed that builders like working in the rain and making everything to fit rather than being warm dry and efficient in a factory!
My Sears house was built in 1949, and they were sold into at least the 50's (look at any 50's Sears catalog). Given the hundreds of them in my area that were build post-WWII I always assumed that Sears houses were an important part of the post-war building boom. My understanding of the decline of popularity of "kit" houses was that local trades unions worked hard to prevent them from being legal to build in many municipalities. Have building codes and union regulations changed to make kit houses a viable option again in most of the country, or are they just a Texas thing?
Matt, that type of manufacturing is where we have to head in order to keep things affordable AND have people to build onsite. I plan to go with polyurethane SIPs with our next house and my understanding is that the company I plan to order from does a complete "dry" assembly at their plant before delivery. Ingenuity never gets old.
I had a college job working at Sutherland Lumber in the 80s fulfilling kit homes costing $20k. I spend a day loading a flatbed with bundles, pallets, fasteners, electrical, HVAC--everything for a whopping $4.50 per hour. I definitely like the new concept better! Doubt the price comes close--but the value is much better for the home owner.
Lack of use of floor trusses in the Northern Cities I believe is often because of basements, fire restrictions, weather and a few other things. It's expensive digging a basement and concrete for a basement foundation wall. Also build-able space is at a premium so you want to max out the number of floors you can build. Trusses often take up too much of your allowed elevation space. It's often better to have a steeper roof to shed more snow load weight than to have space between floors for utilities. It is easier to put utilities in the basement and run lines in vertical chaises than horizontal chaises in most cases.
I’m going through a similar process right now... a local Florida company (whose name escapes me atm... if anyone’s interested, ask in a Reply and I’ll post it for you :) took my plans, had an architect go over them to make sure it wouldn’t fall down (she was really cool and made some suggestions that were gold) and will build it in their climate controlled factory... there’s one major difference tho in that they build with concrete board sandwiches with 8” closed-cell foam cores for the exterior (and roof) walls. The house arrives on site once the foundation is ready in millimeter perfect, *large* sections that can be put together and airtight in *_less than a week !!_* Add the *Tesla SolarRoof,* a pair of *PowerWalls* and several other whizbang renewable energy tech and I’ll have a house that not only goes above and beyond Florida building code (which is *_super_* strict, hurricanes and all) for strength but will also be able to keep power regardless of what the mains voltage is doing... 11 days in the *_brutal_* SW Florida summer without power after Hurricane Irma made the decision to go with the *PowerWalls* a no-brainer !! I’m super excited and I’ve been documenting the whole process so I can make a series on it... it’ll be most satisfying to tear down my current 100+ year old house as it’s *_stupidly_* inefficient (I honestly don’t think anyone has blowers powerful enough to test its air leakage) and makes *_terrible_* use of space. I’m going from a 2 story, 3300sqft house to a 1.5 story, 2700sqft house that actually uses the space far better instead of the current random set of boxes (rooms) this house uses. I’d love *@Matt Risinger* to come check out what we’ll be doing as many of your videos helped me in quite a few decisions I was debating... reading technical data, reviews etc. is important of course, but getting the practiced experience from this channel was a big help. Many thanks !!!
It seems like not all bmc ready frame factories are the same. I'm not an experienced framer, but wanted to frame my new small house in the PNW. The bmc package I received was rather low quality. Stud unit was full of mold, very poor grade lumber, twisted with a lot of wane and crown. It was very convenient and helpful to have all of my framing members cut and labeled for me. Not sure I'll do it again, but it is a pretty impressive system.
Awesome! I like the follow up video from last year on this. I have been thinking about ever since you posted it. Now I want to try it! ON THE BUILD SHOW!
Kit houses make more sense to me. Wouldn’t you rather have everything measured, cut, and assembled in a factory-controlled environment, rather than the job site that experiences changing weather conditions, including varying temperature, rain, snow, drought, etc?
I used to work for NV Homes. Who is the same Company as Ryan homes. This is how all of their homes are built. They've got a facility like this in Thurmont Maryland. They've been doing this for almost 20 years.
This how 90% of the houses here in New Zealand are built with so good project management you can have the frames and trusses standing ready for the roof in a one and a half weeks
all the houses in my sisters new neighborhood was built like this. they would make the slab foundation on site. but the walls were shipped and just layed down in a stack for a few days. then later they came and stood up the walls. next thing you know they were finished. that whole neighborhood went up in like a week lol.
basically im not really a fan of these quick production houses. its 2 yrs old and she's already having window leakage problems and electrical issues. I hate to think of 10yrs from now. and that's just one of many stories i've heard. I usually hear issues with the roof leaks through. none of which is issues with framing though, the issues seem to always come in later down the pipeline. plumbing electrical roofing insulation etc.
We have a ready frame house in the works for this Fall. It's gonna be interesting to see how everything comes together. Our walls are coming with Zip R all taped up and ready to go up. Keep up the good work.
I wonder if you can spec LSL/LVL framing packages? I can't believe how much the manufactured framing lumber tears up saw blades and the extra care in nailing. Also special details like back cut cripples for sloped window sills? Cool stuff!
I'd be interested to see your take on the prefab and shipping container units Honomobo makes. I'm wondering how you would stack them up against a traditional home or one of these prebuilt units.
It does have some advantages but i like to frame onsite. Carrying those heavier walls is not fun, especially when youre standing frames on a second level. Some people are too cheap to hire a crane
What systems do they have in place to ensure that the lumber used for longer spans and studs isn’t barked up, split, warped and/or twisted like it often comes from the lumber yard? Do they have a system in place that sorts that lumber into blocking and other short pieces?
A couple of things that would be huge and not cost nearly anything. First is to notch the top and bottom plates an inch and half wide, 3/8's an inch deep where the upright frames meet. With this, that frame is never moving. Second, in the uprights and maybe even top and bottom plates, drill some holes for wiring, plumbing and other utilities. Then, come back and fill them with some light-weight filler that can be punched out with a small hammer to a screw driver. Why pay an electrician or a plumber $65 an hour to drill holes? Another point: the corner of the top plate should be a solid corner, thirty-two inches long (to overlap two bays. Same with the bottom plate. Catastrophic wind damage (i.e. the house blown apart) would nearly become a thing of the past. Since this would be a very large single piece of wood, you could build the 'solid corner plate' using two 3/4 plywood pieces with a wafer in the middle of metal or three layers of plywood. (And believe me, getting a robot that can place, nail and secure the gussets would be a piece of cake--can't believe they still use 'people' for this task that would be so easy for a robot.) ((Re-reading my post: it would be even better to notch the top/bottom plates maybe 7/8's of an inch wide and 3/8's deep AND then notch the sides of the ends of the uprights 1/4 of an inch. Now, THAt would really hold in those puppies. It might allow you to nail less and still be stronger.))
I have tried to get a hold of these guys and no luck, played tag with 2 sales men for a couple of weeks and no luck I guess if you are not ordering 50 homes they don't care for your business.
This isnt rough carpentry. This is an assembly line. Only the finish carpentry will be left ... They minus well install the electrical and plumbing while there at it too... Lets see how many trades we can throw down the toilet. Framing in a warehouse.. Machines cutting your bevels plumb square and level cuts... I thought it was cool just for trussles because their specially engineered. But your floor joists, to your load bearing walls, and pre framed roofs craned to the top plates... What carpenter. Lmao. Warehouse workers. Took the manliness out of it ALL. Thanks OSHA 😷 If you think Im taking a pay cut, your dreaming... Im heading down to get crane certified. Best paying job thats still on the site ... Guess their going to be installing fascia boards with scaffolding or its all going to be 12in. overhang using.......... ...... Ladder gable overhangs... Gross. Guess its soft carpentry now.... Didnt even hear one hammer. Lameeeee man
We definitely need to work towards going in this direction, skilled field labor is only becoming a larger problem. A factory built in an area with high unemployment would boost their economy and provide for labor not available in other areas of the country. We do not have our cars built in our garage why does our home need to be site built out in the elements. I did this once for a townhouse development, walls and floors arrived on a truck, off with a LULL and onto the deck. Floor trusses were engineered to receive ductwork so heights could be maximized. Modular and manufactured housing are in our future, the downturn in the economy left us 10 years without new carpenter learning the trade. Now, most are not interested, they want computer jobs so we may need to accommodate them.
I'd hope having a home ready framed and be cheaper would result in some extra money being spent making the home better sealed, better roof, better windows and better custom work on say maybe the kitchen.
Very cool. It's the future of building. I don't like roof trusses though. Too much wasted space. You can't use the space without ripping off the roof. People always want more space in their houses. No one ever says, "let's take off this part of the house. We don't need it.". LOL
Timely post. I am looking at building a 5,000 sf home near Sacramento. I sent my plans to BMC a little over a week ago and was told that the ready frame process would add about 8% to the cost of lumber, and that a large home would never be cost effective using a panelized system because of the size of the walls. BMC was happy to make an offer on regular lumber though.
Not exactly. It is an awesome idea, however due to the amount of setup, they are not offering custom home ready frame. Currently they are offering this to production builders
I make machines like this. I wouldn’t me employed if people were willing to do this work. So yeah no one wants to do this work but I can train a team of skilled techs to maintain it. Jobs created that require more skill and pay more! Go technology
Automation has been "taking jobs" for decades and is the main reason behind efficiency and affordability of modern goods and services (and higher profits). On one hand, we want more jobs for Americans; however, we also don't want to pay the American workers a livable wage so they can afford to buy a house (or whatever) that they are producing, because.....no one wants to pay what it costs. A sign from an office trailer: (I paraphrase) "Affordably Built, Quickly Built, and Quality Built.......choose two" Get it?
D. Grigsby dude. You need a book or wiki in your life. 150 years ago most of us were farmers and most jobs we have today didn’t exist. I am about 600% more efficient than engineers from 50 years ago with my software aids and modern tech and research. We don’t run out of jobs, we just run out of smart people to fill them.
Ive been seriously thinking about kit houses for a couple months now. I can build an entire house finished inside for cheaper than a possibly outdated house. And to say I built my own house would be badass.
He spray foams under his roof decks. Without an air gap radiant barrier is worthless. From what I read, you'll get more bang for your buck with better air sealing and insulation. Once those are maximized a radiant barrier is a nice add on.
They should have kicked you out of there since you prefer 'Hand-Cut' roofs like if 'Hand-cut' makes the roofs better. Maybe it's just sounds fancier! 😂 Hope you noticed the efficiency of the system and how it helps eliminate waste.
We may not be framers, but when contractors are sending 1-1-1-1-1 trusses because you all can't seem to stick frame anymore don't call yourselves framers. Trusses use to be ordered in bundles 20-30 trusses almost all common now its all cut up 1-1-1 bs.
Also let me add .. we have max 3/16 deviation from original plans. On a table that has to be set by hand and dealing with the sh*tty wood everyone seems to be getting. Let also add in scissor trusses and attics. Attics having the room has to be set so they all come out uniform ... I wish I could just talk it down .. notice in the video the bottom cord splice come apart .. in that case it's an easy fix however if that happens with webs meeting that splice it can be a pain in the butt and may have to be put back on the table depending on the amount of pressure on the splice. It's not cut and dry like the video. Then add in the sh*tty work force we have today ... You work construction so you know the ppl today are not the same type of workers 20-30 yrs ago. I've been building these a long time.
i have seen these panel assembled homes and they had some of the waviest siding I have ever seen. I just dont think this works for a high quality house. Its fast and kinda easy, but I have yet to see one assembled very straight and tight.
Lord Garth , Been building great interest in [the application of aerated concrete] myself for its balance of features regarding weight-bearing capability coupled with cutting / manipulation when fully cured and it's insulation value.
Sorry to be a downer but all those people should be building these things on a job site so they can become true Craftsman and actually make some real money. it doesn't matter how many years building walls in a factory or higher education you have, if you've never worked on a job site where the variables are extreme and it's up to you to make things right and figure it out only because you care, a book will never teach you that constant Factory never will either, jobs are being made to specific. I can't even recommend anybody anymore. when I recommend it's not to make money it's just a contact to make the homeowners life easier and I know they do Stellar work which makes me look even better. if you find someone good treat them well because there's very few new ones and the old timers are disappearing. If everybody at the factory was on a job site I bet at least 20 percent would become true finish carpenters. That doesn't mean you can nail trim it means you can build an entire house beginning to end with finish Carpenter cuts. Not saying you guys in the factory don't do good work, just saying.
What about all the HVAC electric plumbing gas cabinets windows doors foundatoin trim fixtures etc. You are only talking about 10 % of the house. Searse gave you 100 % and didn't miss anything.
I would think that the computer system is programed to maximize material usage and salvage is minimized. If so, would this add points for green building? Also, i wonder about cost differential to framing? And what is the consequence to the job market?
My naber down the street bought a House blue print kit from 84 lumber and the city of NORFOLK Virginia would not alow him to build the house after his house burnt down on Christmas 1999 2001 , becouse of his house having two place to set his fireplace on the blue print so the city of norfolk zoning and permits said he could not build becouse of the contingent of not exactly having one fireplace picked to use on his blueprints,, HE Needs Help he has being living in his garage for 8 to 12 years . Becouse his house insurinces would not honer his benefits becouse of THE christmas lights saying there it was not a problem with his house . But decorations, This man James needs help to regaing control of life. He deserves it to he helps out anybody needing help. So if know of a company that can help this man let me know , his mother passed away last year and i dont know how much more james can take, every things agenst him , hes paying a mortgage on property he cant even live inn. Thank you for reading and bless you if there's a away to help him .
woohunter1 Robots are much more expensive. Also can't just change configurations on a whim (not everyone wants a cookie cutter house). Lastly, supply and demand will put robots out of a job when there aren't any more houses left to build.
rj hinde Probably a perfectly adequate 40-50fc. The sunlight from all the open doors is affecting the camera. After all a bright day can easily be over 10,000fc!
I am now a retired carpenter from Australia, but we have been doing this since before I started my apprenticeship in 1971. Your video makes it sound like something new.
This old house showed this type of system being used a season or two ago. It's pretty neat but the big thing is how this can help build great quality houses at more affordable prices IF done right. Technology paired with good craftspeople is a great thing!
This type of Factory house framing has been going on since the early seventies, I was involved and building some as a high-school student in the early 70s
Megumi if I ever wanted anything done in a factory for my new house I would order thermasteel walls or similar product than this out of wood and fiberglass not reliable panels
4:04 Every field trip has some kid who can't stick with the group and keeps wandering off...
Curtis B I was all ways that kid...
Back in the 1980s or 90s, I remember seeing a TV program about a company that took this a couple of steps farther. They built whole sections of houses in a factory, to be trucked to job sites, lifted by cranes and bolted together. These modules were complete with drywall, insulation, sheathing, windows, wiring and rough plumbing.
I went and saw BMC here in Denver yesterday (1/24/2020). I was told that they charge $0.30 a sq ft. My house is going to be 1582 sq ft. ranch with an unfinished basement. So my cost will be $474.60. They will look through my plans and line up the joists for plumbing and can have rafters over studs if required. They also provide a "map" (my choice of word) to show how the walls go up and what the square measurement should be for the wall. The time frame from the submittal of plans to delivery of lumber is five business days. This means that once you give them your drawings, they can have everything cut and packaged and delivered on the fifth day. I was told it only takes about an hour to cut an average size houses wood and to have it stacked. They will hold your wood in stacks. Meaning, I can have my joist and flooring delivered and hold off on the 1st-floor framing. I can then call to have the 1st-floor framing delivered the next day. I can then frame the 1st floor and when I am ready for the 2nd floor I just call for the next day delivery. When done with that, I can request the roof. Everything is cut and ready to be sent out, it is stored wrapped up to protect against the elements. I like the idea of not storing everything on site all at once. Also, if something changes on your build and you need something different, it requires two business days. Its not a bad deal. I was told they are competitive on lumber prices. They also provide LVL's and LSL's. I have yet to submit my plans, but when I do, I will provide an update as far as lumber cost and how it relates to other lumberyards.
Any update or change to pricing or lead times bc of covid?
@@MrJcazarez I don't work for them. You need to call and find out for yourself.
This is a way to build a house like a giant cabinet. Tolerances can be tight, and waste can be low. We toured a builder in Vermont that did this (and was featured on a TOH series) and besides the excellent quality, the reduction in waste was incredible. The dumpster subs are gonna hate it! Finally, the ability to build cabinet grade exterior trim packages is extremely valuable. All done in relatively controlled climate and has to be safer. Lots to like about this, and hope to see much more of it in Texas.
As a remodel contractor I've done work on scores of older homes and happen to live in a Sears kit home from the 40's. Hands down the Sears home is the best built older home I've come across. How much of this has to do with it being a kit I don't know. I just know that since I've lived and worked in this home I've been an advocate for bringing back the kit house.
This is the norm in New Zealand everything is done in factory even rafters with all the multiple cut angles pretty good really. Though something's they get wrong eg racking walls due to gauging in timber. We call it prenail👍🤙
We actually have a two story farm house that is a Sears kit house. Originally bought by a school teacher, upon delivery the men of Studley KA built the house, with full basement in three days. We are the third owner of the house. Believe it or not, still has original Windows and doors. Some of the boards on the porch have been replaced because of weather and age. The original steps long ago rotted away and were replaced with cement steps in the 40s. Ok to live in during the summer, but you do not want to try to survive a blue northern winter in it. Heaters and fireplaces just cannot keep up.
I put new doors and windows in my 1949 Sears house, then spray foam insulation where convenient, and sealed cracks where possible, and now the house is reasonable to heat and cool.
This is a pretty common approach to building in many european countries, noteably Germany and the scandenavian countries, and there are many examples here in the UK - although not common here. As a manufacturing Engineer I have always been amazed that builders like working in the rain and making everything to fit rather than being warm dry and efficient in a factory!
I build trusses and frames in New Zealand and man you guys build everything so differently it’s crazy
Yeah it looks like what we did 50 years ago.
My Sears house was built in 1949, and they were sold into at least the 50's (look at any 50's Sears catalog). Given the hundreds of them in my area that were build post-WWII I always assumed that Sears houses were an important part of the post-war building boom. My understanding of the decline of popularity of "kit" houses was that local trades unions worked hard to prevent them from being legal to build in many municipalities. Have building codes and union regulations changed to make kit houses a viable option again in most of the country, or are they just a Texas thing?
Matt, that type of manufacturing is where we have to head in order to keep things affordable AND have people to build onsite. I plan to go with polyurethane SIPs with our next house and my understanding is that the company I plan to order from does a complete "dry" assembly at their plant before delivery.
Ingenuity never gets old.
Alan R Care to share the name of the company you’ve researched and are planning to use for your build?
I personally like three do it yourself style however from ease of use I can see this saving so much time. Like a Lego or IKEA style house in a box.
I had a college job working at Sutherland Lumber in the 80s fulfilling kit homes costing $20k. I spend a day loading a flatbed with bundles, pallets, fasteners, electrical, HVAC--everything for a whopping $4.50 per hour. I definitely like the new concept better! Doubt the price comes close--but the value is much better for the home owner.
Just the fact of working in a controlled environment nice tour Mat thanks for sharing. from Elliot Lake Ontario Canada.
This must be way faster. No asking "where did I put my pencil" every 5mins 😂
Lack of use of floor trusses in the Northern Cities I believe is often because of basements, fire restrictions, weather and a few other things. It's expensive digging a basement and concrete for a basement foundation wall. Also build-able space is at a premium so you want to max out the number of floors you can build. Trusses often take up too much of your allowed elevation space. It's often better to have a steeper roof to shed more snow load weight than to have space between floors for utilities. It is easier to put utilities in the basement and run lines in vertical chaises than horizontal chaises in most cases.
I’m going through a similar process right now... a local Florida company (whose name escapes me atm... if anyone’s interested, ask in a Reply and I’ll post it for you :) took my plans, had an architect go over them to make sure it wouldn’t fall down (she was really cool and made some suggestions that were gold) and will build it in their climate controlled factory... there’s one major difference tho in that they build with concrete board sandwiches with 8” closed-cell foam cores for the exterior (and roof) walls. The house arrives on site once the foundation is ready in millimeter perfect, *large* sections that can be put together and airtight in *_less than a week !!_* Add the *Tesla SolarRoof,* a pair of *PowerWalls* and several other whizbang renewable energy tech and I’ll have a house that not only goes above and beyond Florida building code (which is *_super_* strict, hurricanes and all) for strength but will also be able to keep power regardless of what the mains voltage is doing... 11 days in the *_brutal_* SW Florida summer without power after Hurricane Irma made the decision to go with the *PowerWalls* a no-brainer !! I’m super excited and I’ve been documenting the whole process so I can make a series on it... it’ll be most satisfying to tear down my current 100+ year old house as it’s *_stupidly_* inefficient (I honestly don’t think anyone has blowers powerful enough to test its air leakage) and makes *_terrible_* use of space. I’m going from a 2 story, 3300sqft house to a 1.5 story, 2700sqft house that actually uses the space far better instead of the current random set of boxes (rooms) this house uses. I’d love *@Matt Risinger* to come check out what we’ll be doing as many of your videos helped me in quite a few decisions I was debating... reading technical data, reviews etc. is important of course, but getting the practiced experience from this channel was a big help. Many thanks !!!
i'm interested... let me know who the company is - and now that its been a year hopefully you're done and can report back how the project went.
This is outstanding, somebody is thinking . Sear's kit were great ideas and lasted.
Now if i could just get one of the sears old plans made. I would buy one in a heartbeat!
This is how most new builds have been done in scotland since the 70s-80s.can be wind and water tight within a week in some designs
R C its common for production builders. here in the US to do it. Way faster and cheaper
It seems like not all bmc ready frame factories are the same. I'm not an experienced framer, but wanted to frame my new small house in the PNW. The bmc package I received was rather low quality. Stud unit was full of mold, very poor grade lumber, twisted with a lot of wane and crown. It was very convenient and helpful to have all of my framing members cut and labeled for me. Not sure I'll do it again, but it is a pretty impressive system.
I enjoyed seeing the BMC factory, thank you.
Awesome! I like the follow up video from last year on this. I have been thinking about ever since you posted it. Now I want to try it! ON THE BUILD SHOW!
Kit houses make more sense to me. Wouldn’t you rather have everything measured, cut, and assembled in a factory-controlled environment, rather than the job site that experiences changing weather conditions, including varying temperature, rain, snow, drought, etc?
Would've like to see more of factory.
Pre fab you either love it or hate it once it hit the actual job site.
I work for a company in iowa that builds trusses and walls. We're actually under another company who owns more companys like us.
Very Cool! Nice to see the other side of this
I used to work for NV Homes. Who is the same Company as Ryan homes. This is how all of their homes are built. They've got a facility like this in Thurmont Maryland. They've been doing this for almost 20 years.
I worked for them too in N Va 95-02 This is similar but it’s for one-off custom homes not production homes
I would love to see more building component factory tours
Does the efficiency gains with this process result in cheaper framing costs? Or only for those local to the factory?
This how 90% of the houses here in New Zealand are built with so good project management you can have the frames and trusses standing ready for the roof in a one and a half weeks
all the houses in my sisters new neighborhood was built like this. they would make the slab foundation on site. but the walls were shipped and just layed down in a stack for a few days. then later they came and stood up the walls. next thing you know they were finished. that whole neighborhood went up in like a week lol.
basically im not really a fan of these quick production houses. its 2 yrs old and she's already having window leakage problems and electrical issues. I hate to think of 10yrs from now. and that's just one of many stories i've heard. I usually hear issues with the roof leaks through. none of which is issues with framing though, the issues seem to always come in later down the pipeline. plumbing electrical roofing insulation etc.
Lakario Davis It would not have been any better built from scratch. Poor quality installation is exactly that.
We have a ready frame house in the works for this Fall. It's gonna be interesting to see how everything comes together. Our walls are coming with Zip R all taped up and ready to go up. Keep up the good work.
Did you use this company? We are looking to use them in Texas this fall. Kinda worried about the cost though. We will build the house ourselves.
@@FLT1979 Not this exact company. Our truss company offers prefab options.
Hey Matt. This is the way we have been building in New Zealand for some years now.
I wonder if you can spec LSL/LVL framing packages? I can't believe how much the manufactured framing lumber tears up saw blades and the extra care in nailing. Also special details like back cut cripples for sloped window sills? Cool stuff!
Great video!! Content, video, sound, etc.!
I’d like it if they also sold pre cut kits for sheds and like chicken coops. That would be a cool kit to put together with kids
I'm really surprised all houses aren't framed this way. Better precision, better speed,less time in the elements, cut man never has an off day....
Michael Pilliod Well SIP construction is sort of like this. However you are depending upon your foundation to be perfect.
Ryan homes are built this way.
We are going to see one assembled
Thanks for the information! I'm going to look into this. Can you also post a video about custom factory built homes that use SIPs?
Very interesting episode, I really enjoyed this one.
I don’t care what anyone says, the best highest quality work happens on the jobsite
Sears and Roebuck means vintage firearms to me.
Kross N Kuss I thought you were gonna say "FIRETRAP" LOL!
They sold everything you needed to live. From birth (diapers and cribs) to death (caskets and headstones).
I'd be interested to see your take on the prefab and shipping container units Honomobo makes. I'm wondering how you would stack them up against a traditional home or one of these prebuilt units.
Another great and interesting video!
They been doing that for years here in Australia, cut on site much better, pre fab always seems abit flimsy, great vid by they way awesome chanel
I would like to see this done as diy projects with a actual home owner
It does have some advantages but i like to frame onsite. Carrying those heavier walls is not fun, especially when youre standing frames on a second level. Some people are too cheap to hire a crane
What systems do they have in place to ensure that the lumber used for longer spans and studs isn’t barked up, split, warped and/or twisted like it often comes from the lumber yard? Do they have a system in place that sorts that lumber into blocking and other short pieces?
A couple of things that would be huge and not cost nearly anything. First is to notch the top and bottom plates an inch and half wide, 3/8's an inch deep where the upright frames meet. With this, that frame is never moving. Second, in the uprights and maybe even top and bottom plates, drill some holes for wiring, plumbing and other utilities. Then, come back and fill them with some light-weight filler that can be punched out with a small hammer to a screw driver. Why pay an electrician or a plumber $65 an hour to drill holes? Another point: the corner of the top plate should be a solid corner, thirty-two inches long (to overlap two bays. Same with the bottom plate. Catastrophic wind damage (i.e. the house blown apart) would nearly become a thing of the past. Since this would be a very large single piece of wood, you could build the 'solid corner plate' using two 3/4 plywood pieces with a wafer in the middle of metal or three layers of plywood. (And believe me, getting a robot that can place, nail and secure the gussets would be a piece of cake--can't believe they still use 'people' for this task that would be so easy for a robot.) ((Re-reading my post: it would be even better to notch the top/bottom plates maybe 7/8's of an inch wide and 3/8's deep AND then notch the sides of the ends of the uprights 1/4 of an inch. Now, THAt would really hold in those puppies. It might allow you to nail less and still be stronger.))
I work here doing the floors
15k square feet more like 150,000 square feet. that place is huge
Farkin Love it...
nice
I have tried to get a hold of these guys and no luck, played tag with 2 sales men for a couple of weeks and no luck I guess if you are not ordering 50 homes they don't care for your business.
This isnt rough carpentry. This is an assembly line. Only the finish carpentry will be left ... They minus well install the electrical and plumbing while there at it too... Lets see how many trades we can throw down the toilet. Framing in a warehouse.. Machines cutting your bevels plumb square and level cuts... I thought it was cool just for trussles because their specially engineered. But your floor joists, to your load bearing walls, and pre framed roofs craned to the top plates... What carpenter. Lmao. Warehouse workers. Took the manliness out of it ALL. Thanks OSHA 😷 If you think Im taking a pay cut, your dreaming... Im heading down to get crane certified. Best paying job thats still on the site ... Guess their going to be installing fascia boards with scaffolding or its all going to be 12in. overhang using..........
...... Ladder gable overhangs... Gross. Guess its soft carpentry now.... Didnt even hear one hammer. Lameeeee man
Whats old is new again.
Those sears homes were good houses....but my next one....icf concrete to the roof line
We definitely need to work towards going in this direction, skilled field labor is only becoming a larger problem. A factory built in an area with high unemployment would boost their economy and provide for labor not available in other areas of the country. We do not have our cars built in our garage why does our home need to be site built out in the elements. I did this once for a townhouse development, walls and floors arrived on a truck, off with a LULL and onto the deck. Floor trusses were engineered to receive ductwork so heights could be maximized. Modular and manufactured housing are in our future, the downturn in the economy left us 10 years without new carpenter learning the trade. Now, most are not interested, they want computer jobs so we may need to accommodate them.
I'd hope having a home ready framed and be cheaper would result in some extra money being spent making the home better sealed, better roof, better windows and better custom work on say maybe the kitchen.
I’m currently considering SIP construction over traditional construction. In your estimation would this be better than SIP?
How I'm supposed remember Sears house kits from the 1930 ?
007 More The same way you remember the civil war? By being told about it?
Awww. Some village is missing its idiot!
DaBuick just the class clown , now u go back to dreaming about Obama
What software is used for this?
Very cool. It's the future of building. I don't like roof trusses though. Too much wasted space. You can't use the space without ripping off the roof. People always want more space in their houses. No one ever says, "let's take off this part of the house. We don't need it.". LOL
Timely post. I am looking at building a 5,000 sf home near Sacramento. I sent my plans to BMC a little over a week ago and was told that the ready frame process would add about 8% to the cost of lumber, and that a large home would never be cost effective using a panelized system because of the size of the walls. BMC was happy to make an offer on regular lumber though.
Not exactly. It is an awesome idea, however due to the amount of setup, they are not offering custom home ready frame. Currently they are offering this to production builders
Machines taking jobs, just what we need more of!
rupert Jobs that are skilled trades that no one wants to learn?
I make machines like this. I wouldn’t me employed if people were willing to do this work. So yeah no one wants to do this work but I can train a team of skilled techs to maintain it. Jobs created that require more skill and pay more! Go technology
Automation has been "taking jobs" for decades and is the main reason behind efficiency and affordability of modern goods and services (and higher profits).
On one hand, we want more jobs for Americans; however, we also don't want to pay the American workers a livable wage so they can afford to buy a house (or whatever) that they are producing, because.....no one wants to pay what it costs.
A sign from an office trailer: (I paraphrase)
"Affordably Built, Quickly Built, and Quality Built.......choose two"
Get it?
D. Grigsby dude. You need a book or wiki in your life. 150 years ago most of us were farmers and most jobs we have today didn’t exist. I am about 600% more efficient than engineers from 50 years ago with my software aids and modern tech and research. We don’t run out of jobs, we just run out of smart people to fill them.
Anyone know the difference in price from traditional frame on site?
LEGOs Factory Assembled style. I wouldn't mind a job; Would give me knowledge how and Wonderful practice.
Stock Building supply does the same thing
Ive been seriously thinking about kit houses for a couple months now. I can build an entire house finished inside for cheaper than a possibly outdated house. And to say I built my own house would be badass.
Surely this is not a new thing in the USA. We have been doing it that way here in Australia for 25+ years.
Do you ever use radiant barrier osb like techshield. Is it worth it
He spray foams under his roof decks. Without an air gap radiant barrier is worthless. From what I read, you'll get more bang for your buck with better air sealing and insulation. Once those are maximized a radiant barrier is a nice add on.
If you’re ever looking to make a video on an Austin house, please contact me! :)
biscuit There are many houses in Austin; what sets yours apart?
It looked like a Labor Ready crew in the back...lol please tell me that's not so!
They should have kicked you out of there since you prefer 'Hand-Cut' roofs like if 'Hand-cut' makes the roofs better.
Maybe it's just sounds fancier! 😂
Hope you noticed the efficiency of the system and how it helps eliminate waste.
I'm sorry but saying those guys in a factory tacking plates on are "basically framers" is an insult to the real framers.
We may not be framers, but when contractors are sending 1-1-1-1-1 trusses because you all can't seem to stick frame anymore don't call yourselves framers. Trusses use to be ordered in bundles 20-30 trusses almost all common now its all cut up 1-1-1 bs.
Also let me add .. we have max 3/16 deviation from original plans. On a table that has to be set by hand and dealing with the sh*tty wood everyone seems to be getting. Let also add in scissor trusses and attics. Attics having the room has to be set so they all come out uniform ... I wish I could just talk it down .. notice in the video the bottom cord splice come apart .. in that case it's an easy fix however if that happens with webs meeting that splice it can be a pain in the butt and may have to be put back on the table depending on the amount of pressure on the splice. It's not cut and dry like the video. Then add in the sh*tty work force we have today ... You work construction so you know the ppl today are not the same type of workers 20-30 yrs ago. I've been building these a long time.
Lmao i was whattttt framersss lol
that looks more like 30-40k sqft
I was thinking even more than that. That looked like the size of a Walmart and those run 150k square feet and up.
Yeah that guys on crack it's definitely over 40,000
That's what I was thinking. Pole to pole, is probably 10k sqft each.
@7:05 Is this way of building not common in America?
i have seen these panel assembled homes and they had some of the waviest siding I have ever seen. I just dont think this works for a high quality house. Its fast and kinda easy, but I have yet to see one assembled very straight and tight.
What about those 3D concrete house printers?
Lord Garth ,
Been building great interest in [the application of aerated concrete] myself for its balance of features regarding weight-bearing capability coupled with cutting / manipulation when fully cured and it's insulation value.
If you don't have a basement, you only have half a house. In my opinion. That's the only place I get my ME time.
Sorry to be a downer but all those people should be building these things on a job site so they can become true Craftsman and actually make some real money. it doesn't matter how many years building walls in a factory or higher education you have, if you've never worked on a job site where the variables are extreme and it's up to you to make things right and figure it out only because you care, a book will never teach you that constant Factory never will either, jobs are being made to specific. I can't even recommend anybody anymore. when I recommend it's not to make money it's just a contact to make the homeowners life easier and I know they do Stellar work which makes me look even better. if you find someone good treat them well because there's very few new ones and the old timers are disappearing.
If everybody at the factory was on a job site I bet at least 20 percent would become true finish carpenters. That doesn't mean you can nail trim it means you can build an entire house beginning to end with finish Carpenter cuts.
Not saying you guys in the factory don't do good work, just saying.
What about all the HVAC electric plumbing gas cabinets windows doors foundatoin trim fixtures etc. You are only talking about 10 % of the house. Searse gave you 100 % and didn't miss anything.
It looks like a carpenters job on the jobsite is gonna be a thing of the past. Probably means lower wages for a carpenter.
I would think that the computer system is programed to maximize material usage and salvage is minimized.
If so, would this add points for green building?
Also, i wonder about cost differential to framing?
And what is the consequence to the job market?
Gr8 M9ds If within the miles/distance limit as they can recycle all waste.
that framing guy is working way to hard
edit : id never trust a machine to load my sticks haha
Are the exterior walls "khined" (sheathed) at the factory? What about drilled holes for the wiring?
5:55
A want to be a framing carpenter, so if you need one, mail me. Thanks for the interesting videos.
Nothing new! In 1956 my Dad had 4 rentals & the family home pre-fabricated and trucked from San Carlos to Redding Ca.
My naber down the street bought a House blue print kit from 84 lumber and the city of NORFOLK Virginia would not alow him to build the house after his house burnt down on Christmas 1999 2001 , becouse of his house having two place to set his fireplace on the blue print so the city of norfolk zoning and permits said he could not build becouse of the contingent of not exactly having one fireplace picked to use on his blueprints,, HE Needs Help he has being living in his garage for 8 to 12 years . Becouse his house insurinces would not honer his benefits becouse of THE christmas lights saying there it was not a problem with his house . But decorations, This man James needs help to regaing control of life. He deserves it to he helps out anybody needing help. So if know of a company that can help this man let me know , his mother passed away last year and i dont know how much more james can take, every things agenst him , hes paying a mortgage on property he cant even live inn.
Thank you for reading and bless you if there's a away to help him .
It's not Sears and Roebuck, it's Sears Roebuck and Company.... All you trolls out there, yes, this is a minor comment.
Im a lil confused. This is how ive been building houses in New Zealand for 15 years? Its nothing new.
Those floor joists are very dangerous for FF'S. They still sound solid when sounded but will give way when walking on them.
I wonder how many jobs you could create if you got rid of the robots and put good old-fashioned muscle and precision from a human being in there haha
Coty Many pros and cons with using robots vs humans.
Robots never call off and there is a shortage of young trades people entering the work force.
woohunter1 Robots are much more expensive. Also can't just change configurations on a whim (not everyone wants a cookie cutter house). Lastly, supply and demand will put robots out of a job when there aren't any more houses left to build.
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The lighting in that factory looked terrible!
rj hinde Probably a perfectly adequate 40-50fc. The sunlight from all the open doors is affecting the camera. After all a bright day can easily be over 10,000fc!