3 TIPS FOR DRUMMING WITH A CLICK
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When I initially started playing to a click it felt robotic and awkward. However, a lot depended on how I approached it mentally. Once I stepped back and considered the click to be another band member and I was playing "with" it rather than "for" it then it felt much more natural.
Bruce Seelinger thank you for this analogy!
super important, thank you
Fantastic advice.
"Another band member"
I love how you framed it that way. Excellent! Thanks for sharing this approach
See a click as your friend. Not your enemy.
I love playing with a click. It gets to a point where I just forget there's a click. It also keeps the band pretty tight.
Agreed. Adrenaline was my problem as a young teen. No click tracks back then. Lol We were playing ‘smoke on the water’ and my friend the guitar player stopped saying. ‘Holy sh@# dude. We’re not playing Tush. Slow the F down. That was in 1980. We still lol about it to this day. And I trained myself to not do that…
@@shawncosmos5431same man I have that struggle lol
@@fernandohernandez460 The struggle is real! Lol
@@shawncosmos5431 dude especially since all I do is build ups in worship music 🤣.
As drummer our number one job is ... having a good time.
LOL, I always have a good time at the drums xD
Good stuff, great energy man, I can tell you have kids!
Here is the only tip that really matters for metronome.
I had a student that absolutely could not find a beat.
I brainstormed and said OK instead of trying play along with the beat let’s “play tennis“, in another words... set it for about 60 bpm and have him clap in between the clicks. It took about six clicks and he was doing it right, within about five minutes he was playing along with the click in the “normal“ way.
If you play ALONG with the click inevitably you will flam, (even if it’s microscopically will still flam). By playing in between them, your brain has to calculate that distance and it will quickly course correct.
Try it, you’ll like it 😎
Bro tried it clapping and hitting the table and I recorded and it was on point when I looped it. Thx man really helped. I always tried to get it on the one and totally forget about the in between beats. Really helped thx.
Thats good advice, thank you for that
I improved substantially when I started to play with a click. It forces me to stay in the pocket. Forcing me in makes me more creative. Fun how that works
Absolutely correct. Phil Rudd is considered "boring" by the Speed Metal and the "I love Travis Barker" crowds. But you could calibrate a metronome to his timing. One of my favorite drummers, Ray Luzier, says it does not matter how fast you are. If you can't drum the Back In Black, simple 8th note beat...you won't have a long career as a drummer.
I find if I place a metronome on my kit where all the other band members can see it, that the whole band is better at keeping time because they trust that I am in time and try harder to follow me. It works. Quite often I don't even have the thing switched on...
Click: 1,2,3,4
Me: Oh damn, I'm terrible at this.
I always practice with a click. Always. I find it most important when I work my fundamentals. I start my click slow, and make sure that everything lands in time with one another. No flams is always the goal. As I gradually speed up the click, my grooves are more solid at faster tempos because I took the time to work with a click at slower tempos. It's made my ability to sit in a pocket and lead the band infinitely better.
The last tip is very good!
I'd add a fact that that's the point where you really start to learn what the natural feel is - you can setup whatever tempo you want but if it's not near natural you'd have problems. Certain patterns requires certain tempo where they'd feel just right. It's like a key in music - you can't just transpose a piece 6 steps down or up - it won't feel the same.
If you're writing a drum part don't forget to test it without metronome - you'd naturally come to the certain tempo - write it down.
I only practice with my metronome...As a beginner drummer, the moment I try to play steady without a click, I am like a roller coaster rushing and dragging as much as 10-12 bpm over long period of time.
I don’t trust myself anymore without the click.
Thank you for the fabulous advice of small corrections as I tend to rush coming out of fills. Great video!
You bet john
I play drums as part of my Church's worship team, and on my kit at home I do practice with the songs' audio track & click because for me, it's the same thing going through my ears, so the noise environment is more similar when I'm practicing to when I'm at rehearsal or playing live.
Stephen, this is a great topic. I love the latter part of this section where you talk about adjusting in 4,6,8, bars if you'r falling behind or getting ahead and not "needing" to make an immediate adjustment. A wise man once told me "you always need to know where 1 is" and that's it.
I practice with a click 90% of the time. I learned you can play the pocket in between clicks and still be in time on the clicks themselves. After a lot of practice I can play outside of the click and bring it back in once the time is appropriate. My band is happy with it so I'm going to continue.
The click applies to all in the recording process too. Drums to a click is paramount. Great tips and needed this at this time
Keep the kick locked in on click on 1 & 3 but relax the snare where it’s on the back side of 2&4. Opens that groove wide.
Love listening to your thoughts. You always make so much sense. To me, l think of the click as just another member of the band. He's a familiar friend who I've played with in different bands for years. This approach can stop a person being intimidated by the concept. Works for me anyway!
I started using the click as a warm up tool starting form 80bpm to 180bpm for a good few months now and I’m starting to see a big difference. I used to be afraid of the click because I was never taught at a young age how it works but now studying videos and practicing I starting to understand more about timing which is a big asset to me.
Hi Stephen. Yes I practice to a click. I'm drumming for over 6 years now and really its in the last 3 that I got comfortable with one. I always practice with the click now, mainly because of how important it is to be able to play to one in a studio/recording situation but also to make sure I have a good internal sense of time when I play without one. I want my playing to be as solid and clean as I can get it. Thanks!
Yes! I use a Tama RW200 with a Boss FS-7 dual footswitch as a remote start/stop/forward advance click. Works great for practice and live gigs.
Playing to a click or metronome is a good skill, but I think the goal should be to hone your inner pulse, so that when your playing at a gig without the click going, you still have good time.
A displaced/moving click is good for fine tuning your subdivisions & inner pulse. I set my drum machine to play 4 bars of quarter notes, 4 bars of the 2nd - 16th note partial (E), 4 bars of the 3rd - 16th note partial (& ),4 bars of the 4th - 16th note partial (A) in a continuous 16 bar loop. It's also good for feeling where 4 measure phrases are. The same thing can be done for 8th note triplets, except it would be a 12 bar loop.
There's 2 other cool CZcams videos I can recommend for help using a click - tightening up your inner pulse:
Rob Brown - Drum Clinic - Using A Metronome To Develop Feel.
&
How to Play Tight to a Metronome | Mark Schulman | Drum Lesson on 180Drums
I started playing to a click about 5 years ago and I can’t stress enough how much better I got and sounded. Wish I would have started it years ago. I use to dread when someone asked me to play to a click. Like almost embarrassed that I had to tell em I couldn’t. But with just a month of practice I had it down. Now i don’t want to ever play or write without it. I even got my guitarist writing to one and the improvement is night and day. Thanks for this vid man I enjoyed it. Also I didn’t know you played in New Orleans. I’m from Baton Rouge about and hour away.
Oh yea, very familiar with Baton Rouge
I love the funky background music
I've played to a click both in practice and performance for the last 12 years and have learned to love it. My playing is better and I've learned to play around it when necessary but always have it to come back to when it's time to jump back into the pattern. I also use a Dr Beat and think it's a great metronome and I can run it just into my monitor or to the entire band when needed (we use aviom personal mixers and in-ear monitors).
Having had to conduct a 24 minute film with a live orchestra to a variable click - these pointers are just as applicable. Thanks for sharing! (Especially about the twin points of not over-correcting and YOU setting the tempo and not the click).
Thanks. Its new to me. I havent played in 20 years, Im 53 now and used to play death/grind/gore. I renovated my early eighties Tama kit to give it one more blast hoping a click will help me out.
Never used one until I was thrown in a studio and then realized the importance of it, for me it was finding the right headphones that were comfortable and then a headphone amp so I could hear it better. But for me the biggest was always trying to be perfect, and playing stiff as hell and having trouble with feel. One thing I did was use audacity. Find a song I really liked playing googled the bpm and then put a click over the song using audacity, definitely started helping me out.
This was really helpful to me.thanks so much for your advice
Glad it helped!
So, hey how are ya?
I’ve been playing drums for 20 years, self taught. I’ve found ways to keep rhythm cuz it’s just natural to me. Ironically, the click messes me up. It collided with my method and it aggravates the hell outta. I didn’t know anything about BPM til I brought in a guy in my band. He produces and sings. I see how important it is, but it feels so off when I play it and I’ve spent years playing with other musicians and never had any issues… even when I record.
I just starting using a click with backing tracks. So much easier to sample things in the track rather than reaching for a sample pad. And it really cleaned up my bands sound
I use the metronome in Cakewalk it allows me to move the emphasis of the down beat, I can move it from one to four. It also lets me assign any sound to it, example put a cow bell for beat one and the snare for 2.3.and 4. It's like playing with another drummer, who is always in time.
Commenting 18 months later, but oh well :) Thx for great the vid! Got a few points I'd really like to mention:
1. "Chasing the click". Yep, it takes some time and practice to catch up or slow down to where you need to be in a subtle fashion. Like Stephen said: accept the fact that you're off and then DON'T PANIC, but instead just casually work your way back. Nobody will notice (not even the bass player :D) if you become good at this!
2. I've started practicing songs with a click about half a year ago, but I don't use it at band rehearsals or live on stage. And still I've gotten a lot of compliments for keeping time better nowadays. It just enters into your muscle memory somehow. When I change from part A to part B nowadays, I just need to remember "OK, in order to play this next part correctly, I need to go juuust a little faster (or slower) than I would naturally do." And after a while this subtle sense of speeding up (or slowing down) - not in terms of actual BPM, just mentally - began to feel natural.
3. In any case, I feel like every drummer should practice with a metronome at least now and then. You should know how fast you play certain parts, and also what's your personal "speed limit" for certain parts - right? And more importantly: I hope you play with new/different musicians as often as you can. And if one of them says: "OK, the next number is at X BPM. Guy on the drums, please count us in!" you don't wanna look clueless, do you? :D
Hey Stephen, No band but for practice I finally bought myself a Dr. Beat Metronome thanks to you. Wow I never realized how much I fluctuated my time. When I'm on the click it sounds so solid and good info on how to properly adjust to the click. Stephen you rock. Thank you.
+Bob Cropsey Glad it helped Bob!
A Click system can be EASY to set up. Use the app SetlistMaker, build songs in it with set BPM’s, then use something like a iRig Blue Turn to move through songs, as the app can set/start midi clock every time you start the next song. I send the midi out from the iRig 2 interface to a splitter which goes to my boss DB90, and the other end goes to my guitar player’s pedal board to an EvenTide, which then daisy-chains to our bass player and other guitar player’s pedal board. So when I tap page down with my foot on the iRig blue turn, it starts the song, sends midi set/start to my dr beat, and midi clock to all pedal boards. This gives the drummer click in his ears setup (kinda needed for this) and also syncs all guitar pedals at the same time.
Excellent advice!
I use a free metronome app on my phone during practice time, I use it to improve my time keeping, it has helped a lot. I don't use it when playing playing gigs, all though it wouldn't hurt to
Hey Stephen thanks for the encouraging & edifying tips on playing with a click- something I deal with every Sunday in church.
You bet Sal!
Started drumming with a pipe band drum corps. Bagpipes and high tension double snares, two dozen people trying to sound like one piper and one drummer with a bass. We learned so much new stuff on a regular basis that we all learned to read scores and play with a metronome. I think the click is permanently in my head now.
Thats the way I was taught because in Drum corps you need to sound like one drummer. Check out this video of the 27th lancers. once more in 94. they are fronting 27 snares and if you close your eyes they sound like one. thats called practice and paying attention to what the others are playing. Concentration.
i've been playing drums for 3 years and just practiced today with a click. also i had to quit a cover band because they kept telling me to slow down. lol
Hi Stephen ! You are very nice !
Since I started training with the metronome of my Roland drums my band mates told me that it has become a pleasure to play with me !
Started play drums: 8th grade. Started playing with a click: Age 43 Moral of the story: Start playing with a click early and often kiddos. Even though some of the greatest recordings (most if not all Led Zep) were not recorded to a click the fact of the matter is Ringo and Bonham had impeccable timing. Do we have any historical data that they practiced with a click? Dunno but as Stephen said they were the time and it was/is awesome! Thanks Stephen!
I would add that playing to a "click" sound or "flash" is also difficult. Both are distracting. I use a metronome with a sweep like the original mechanical metronomes. The sweep helps in anticipating the beat and makes it easier to get back on top when you drift. Drifting is common for all players at all levels and seems to happen as the intensity or energy of the song changes. I use the Korg TM-60 but I think other metronomes also have the sweep hand thing.
Such a great video!!
I’ve joined a band and they play with a click, I’ve never played one in my life it took 2 gigs or so to get used to it but it’s pretty solid now👍
oh yeah, definitely. especially when recording. the click is like the 'scaffolding'. i'll record the guitar or whatever to the click, then work out the drums with the click.the 'scaffolding' doesn't really come down until later in the process. makes editing the song easier too.
Stephen, really like your down-to-earth stuff. Thanks. For me, playing with a click is like playing with another percussionists, so no big deal - just listen. I like the click especially for extended (ie beyond trading 4s) in-temp solos - it's easy to become a run-away train without a click.
I practice rudiments and sticking to a click all the time. For coordination and muscle memory I tend to get the hang of it without then introduce the metronome once it starts to feel more natural.
It's worth a mention for the e-drummers out there: I used to be a decent drummer when I was young and came back to it in later life in a recording (and e-drum) environment, I couldn't work out why my playing was sooo stiff when recording until I realized that latency is a problem when recording into a DAW (i.e. when monitoring your sound it's a few milliseconds off, which even though barely noticeable is enough to completely destroy your feel).
I've been working one weekend a month with a 3-piece classic rock band that uses a click track along with other tracks (keys, horns, etc.). I had never worked with click tracks until then. It took me about 6 months to figure out Stephen's last bit of advice on this video. The click has no groove or pocket. The drummer has to provide the feel. Depending on the song, for the most part, I had to learn to pull back off the click a little for the song to have the right feel. I couldn't understand why the band keep telling me that I was rushing some of the songs. In general, I'm a good pocket drummer, but when playing with a click you have to learn to ignore the click to some degree to get the right feel. Just an additional bit of advice for drummers learning to play with a click track. When I first started learning to play with a click, I was using headphones. This is probably fine if you as the drummer is the only person hearing the click. The band I work with has the click coming out of all of the monitors. With the headphones, that created a slight delay in me hearing the click out of the monitors so I was hearing two clicks and it was hard to tell what was the right click to play to. I got rid of the headphones and bought a powered hotspot monitor and ran the click through it. That way I was hearing the click the same time the rest of the band was and with the powered monitor I could control the volume of the click.
Great point Curtis!
you goytta try playing in some weird time sigs like 9 1/2 over 12 then you will appreciate the click of that met .
Curtis Sumter well said and spot on!
What if the band is playing in 12/8 and you want to groove at 3/4 . would that put a cringe on what is being played .
Fantastic advice Curtis. Learning the pocket around the click in classic rock is critical. When you listen to Zepplin and The Who, for example, you can hear the beat speed up a slow down throughout the songs. If you hear someone playing it straight the song just doesn't good at all no matter how technically correct it's played.
The click kind of "Officialise" the current mastery level you have with a particular Lick / Beat / Pattern / Concept.
It's kind of the only way to Confirm something like "Can You play a 32nd fill into an Actual Groove" Because it's something to know the pattern and to play it fast but it only matters if you can put it to use in a "real" Time environnement.
It also helps to Improvise to it with a Strong 1st Accent. Something like a 3-(16th notes) pattern in a regular 4/4 environnement suddenly becomes easier to understand and in the end gradually easier to "Feel naturally".
I also built my time a lot by playing to Artists like Coldplay where the groove remains pretty much the same throughout the song (It ends up being like a "Musical Click").
+ Bonus you learn a Song.
I also think that one major problems why drummers don't use the click too much is because they can't hear it. If you only leave a visual blipping click without having a Headset to plug into it, you will end up putting it aside.
Another thing to develop good time is "metronome games". I play with a click all the time, but sometimes I keep 120 beats a minute using a stop watch (twice a second) or I put the met on two hundred and tap the up beats. Another great thing to try is putting the met on the up beat and playing a normal groove with that. All great stuff. Time is very fascinating
or start slow playing on the beat then as you play faster add the upbeat also1+2+3+4+.Leave met at this tempo but you pick up the tempo 1e + a or 16th notes can get quite interesting as you play.1E+A 2 +A 3 . AS you play skip the E then the + then the A then just the E+ or the 1 A2 A3 ther are countless ways to play these .
people would be surprised at the things you can do with a met. one handed rolls for instance. start slow and each click is a stroke . play to the click and keep the tempo and there arone hand rolls . Now do it with the other hand. Try it witha par a did dle .par is one click , a is one click , did is one click , dle is the fourth and last click. Now with the other hand .32nd note paradiddles ,no problem . you can do this with any of the rudiments .
mike charette thanks for the tip kind Sir!
And just wanted to say i just found your channel yesturday... and man am i glad i did... great videos
I've started practicing with a click recently as I've been working through the new Benny Greb DVD. It'll be a while till I use a click with my band but it's a good start.
This video was very helpful, thanks man.
Great info
For practice, I have some click tracks where the click drops out for a bar. Trying to come back in sync is tough (for me, anyway). I have 8 bars (7 time + 1 silent), and 4 bars (3 time + 1 silent). Great for groove; great for fills.
I practice with a metronome to practice playing fills in different tempos than the click, then coming back to the beat at the exact time. or for rudiments, obviously.
When I practice , I start out with my programmable metronome and I have a number of different tempo's and patterns pre-programmed in to warm up with and work on. Then I usually turn it off, and play to a number of tunes, all with different tempo's and rhythm patterns and different genre's. Otherwise, I find myself playing the same genre of music and basically the same rhythm patterns over and over.
Yep. I got into a Neo-classical band in 1989 and the guitarist did EVERYTHING with a click, so I learned to play - even band practice - we used a metronome.
I found that the best way to get used to playing a click track is to practice playing all the subdivisions (quarters, quarter triplets, eights...) with the click being about 30, 40 bpm. Makes you think about where the click will be etc.
i find if i have time at home or anywhere i have the backing tracks with me on my phone and the click as well i can mentally remember it when on stage and using the click to my self the band is happy
One bit of advice that really worked quick for me was to not follow the band. Since I had mainly practiced while listening to music, my first instinct was to follow the time set by everyone else, so if the band got off, I would follow them off. My friend's advice to hold to the click even if the band gets off fixed things real quick. Of course, you may have to work your way back towards the click if you get off (like Stephen's point #2), or in the worst case reset the click. But things got a lot better once I stopped following the band's timing.
I have learned that it depends on who you are playing with. Unless the players can follow you, you are screwed. It's like trying to add numbers in your head while someone is shouting out numbers. Singers will sing too slow in songs with a lot of words. Guitar players/singers will have trouble in transitions. Bass players sometimes think they have perfect time and will want to lead. With the right people however, it is really very simple. Also, it will help you to not rush your fills.You will quickly learn to sit back a bit and let them happen.
You should always, or often practice with a click. It will keep you from rushing.
Ive used clicks before on stage .Rock and roll is really feeling push and pull the time between 1 and 4
Thanks Stephen good tips on click
You bet Philip
When first learning drum part I play to a slow click track. Then once I know what to do I practice free of the click and gradually speed up to the song/track tempo. Then once I feel I'm at the song/track tempo I practice to a click of the song tempo
Love this guy!
When I first started practicing with a click I found it helped if I used a cowbell, tambourine or shaker sound. Something that sounds musical rather than an electronic blip. It will help it not seem like it’s foreign or like it is distracting you from playing music. It will help with learning to push and pull and you will feel like can play with natural ebb and flow while you are staying in time.
Cheers for the tips!😃
I've been playing drums just for a few months and I learned with click, so I don't have a problem following it, but the opposite. I don't trust my tempo and if I lose sync with the click while playing, I start tripping. I also find very hard to play if I don't have the score, but that's another story...
I completely agree with this. The click helps you to get better timing, but it's just a tool. If you play comfortable with a click you can try playing with drumless tracks.
Man that is really helpful. Thank you.
So glad it helped
I'm a drummer in New Orleans too!
Here's the problem I usually have. I like playing to a click and usually am the one to start the song off BUT the guitar player does not have a click when he starts a song off and it could be significantly faster and then I would have to abandon the click to keep the pace that he started or it would start to seem like it drags if I work my way back to the original tempo. And don't even get me started on if the singer has to sing acapella to start the song off. ( Renegade, dead and bloated, etc.)
Just played with a click for the first time in a live setting, it went ok... haha the tips really helped me. You should’ve seen the bass players face when he heard the nervous 16 year old had never played with a click!! 😧 haha
I start practice without a metronome. This allows me to focus on technique. When I feel comfortably loose, I start using it. For me, if I start with a met without warming up first, I loose technique in my left hand.
not technique its called muscle memory. try playing everything you play with both hands not just one. play 8's. 8 beats on the right the off the left .two measures,then play the same thing with 7,6,5,4,3,2,1.then repeat it . start slow then work up to fast .
+mike charette thanks for the tip! Rock on : )
Can’t believe I haven’t seen this.. great vid Steve...
I'm not sure if you have a video on it, but how do you learn to push the groove or sit behind the beat slightly ? Is there a video on it ?
Hi, thanks for another useful video!
Playing on v-drums for a couple of years, I've gotten too much in the habit of playing along to songs that I liked and was learning. Recently I noticed how reliant I'd become on playing along to music as when I try and just play with no accompaniment I struggle to think of anything to play that isn't a song that I've learnt, and what I do manage to play can feel jagged and awkward when I transition between sections/patterns.
I learnt to play with a click as it is an amazing tool for learning the harder parts of songs at a slow pace and building them up to speed. When I have a click in the background I don't feel as lost or stiff and my playing is still good.
I was wondering if you had any tips on how to play without a click or song in the background? I hope I'm not the only one too reliant on having a background tether! Thanks
The best way to have a rock solid time and a great inner clock is practicing to a click where the click is moved to ands or e's or a's. And practice all note subdivisions with a click
Valuable stuff....thanks
You bet Carl!
i only play to a click if im practicing a piece with a set tempo. i dont normally practice with a click because i like practicing slow then fast, and also playing without improves internal clock
I record all the instruments in my music and the main reason I bought an electronic kit was to eliminate the click. I got tired of loops and editing and being a slave to being perfectly in time instead of being in a groove time. More realistic was the goal to make it sound like an actual band was live recording the song. It's not that I can't play to a click on guitar, bass, drum etc. but it was more a chance at freedom.
As of a beginner drummer in my first couple of months I’ve been practicing to a metronome but as soon as loose the click I loose all hope 😂
I use my practice pad to a click but I haven't been able to figure out the technology to make it loud enough in my headphones to play along with my kit. I think I have to buy special in ear drivers.
I literally just got my kit today, trying to learn to sync up with clicks.
Congrats on the new kit Alicia!
Stephen Taylor Thanks!! I'm improving little by little lol
@@Wow-gd3vc She can't answer you, she's too busy: On Tour.
I played with a click for the very first time in a live band... ohh it did turn out well. I need practice with it.
great stuff Stephen, I've always practiced with a click but now I am recording for my bands songs and I need to know the "Next level" click stuff!. Any tips for pushing and sitting back?
All I do is play with the click this video has helped me
I have been using an app on my phone during rehearsals. Can anyone suggest a actual metronome that would be better while playing live? I’d sure hate to get a text or a call in the middle of the song!
Problem I have with the click is hearing it above the guitar, I'm using in ear and can hear it well when its just bass and drums or when practicing but when our guitarist starts up!
I have played with the click track for 4 years now and I still struggle with it. Should you as the drummer have the control on the click or should someone else in the band? I play with a control freak and it is very difficult to play at my tempo with it. I feel very choppy and everyone has the click track in my ear. I also don't create the track, the control freak does on his computer. Should I be creating my own tracks?
Perfect click workout for me is to let the click be the last sixtenth or triplet of the beats you get instant feedback if you're rushing or draging
Is it beneficial to learn how to play left handed as right handed drummer?
Ive played drums on and off for about 15 years...more off than on as Ive always been a keyboardist or guitarist. I just got my own kit a few months ago but I have been workoing with drum machines for over a decade. So click tracks dont bother me at all but I have the bad habit of chasing the click on a live kit. Working on it.
It's another animal playing with a click live. Def takes some practice.
If you are behind do a longer fill, if ahead a shorter fill. Right?
I play for my church every friday, but Ive started playing barley this year so every week i have to learn about 6 songs and it stressing me out just a little because i feel like i can't focus on just one song without messing up on the rest of the songs. On top of that I'm being self-taught along with some youtube videos. I don't know what to doooo! :(
I currently have a problem grooving with 16th notes on the hi-hat at 75+ bpm. My right hand gets really tired and tense. I started working on single stroke subdivisions with a click.
Yup i practise Stephen my god