... to help you out: the gas valves are not needed on the (whole bean) roasted coffee beans bags. And yes, the valves contribute to loose a lot of the aroma, as well by de-gassing the bags. We, in the last 10 years never used valved bags for the our org. branded (roasted beans) coffee. And we never had any bag ruptured, with the customers feedback, to note, as well, to-day. The valved bags - you need only (and really) for the grounded, and coarse grounded, and similar, (other than beans) coffee. Hoping it helps, and thanks a lot for sharing the video and the insights :).
Usually i buy 3 x 250gr bags or 4-5 x 150gr, i use one like your advice in the video and store the extra ones in the freezer at about -20c Before i store them in the freezer i push the bags gently to force some of the air and gasses out of the bag through the degas valve When it's time to open a new sealed bag from the ones stored in the freezer i grab one and let it settle overnight or for some hours on the bench for the coffee beans to come up to room temperature before open it, NEVER open it while its cold Once open it never goes back in to freezer again because the moisture form the air will become ice =water
Coffee could stay fresh after roasting forever all you need is controlled humidified environment we use the same process for storing cigars a humidity pack called ( (boveda) %69 60g) keep the humidity at 69% which keep the coffee fresh few days ago I tried a 3 months old coffee and it still taste sooo good try it go on amazon and by a boveda 69 and through it in the bag with your coffee and it should last much longer there is a study I found after doing this experiment that humidity protect the oils in the coffee from oxidation hope this helps someone
I buy a kg of decent quality beans and split them into three bags. Use one and freeze the others until I need to use the others. Stays fresher then me leaving it in the bag for a few weeks for us to finish. Would ideally buy 250g bags each week but it costs around double and gets quite expensive when you have the whole family drinking a few cups each a day
1000g / 18g (double espresso) = 55.5 coffees. Over seven days is 8 cups a day. Or 2 coffees each a day for a family of four coffee drinkers. Pour over or French press coffees will use even faster. Or take 8 or 9 days to consume and see if the taste deteriorates.
@@danbo967 would it work better if we seal the beans together with desiccants and put them in the freezer. and when it's time to use, just defrost it to room temp before unsealing the bag. what do you guys think?
What I personally do: Vacuum pack in 45g batches and store in a freezer. Vacuum packed beans stay fresh for months and with smaller batches you can take out only what you need for the day, avoiding problems of condensation and freeze-thaw cycles.
I was also thinking about this, but does the negative pressure of the vacuum pull out the gasses from the beans? Another tip is to allow the beans to fully come back to room temperature before opening the sealed freezer bag to prevent condensation.
Great video! Thinking out loud - it seems to me that storing your beans in the fridge should be OK as long as you only take out single doses and grind them directly, as one would do for instance with a Niche Zero or a hand grinder. The condensed water that the cold beans may attract should then actually be a good thing - some baristas even spray their beans with a little water before grinding them, to avoid static electricity.
Only works if you refrigerate in single-dose bags. She's saying that every time you open your cold bag, moisture is attracted to all the beans in the bag, including the beans you aren't using.
This advice is great if you have a coffee shop that has enough volume but what advice do you have for home user that typically store coffee for 1-3 months
On contrary it is recommended to spray beans with distilled water just before grounding coffee and brewing, then they ope more allowing for deeper flavour. Also fridge si the best solution to keep it fresh.
At the end you say that it might be a bit harsh. Maybe if you're standing next to the coffee section in the local supermarket telling it to strangers. But to people who watch videos about coffee storage like me it is very helpful.
I'd love to have local roaster within walking distance with a stock of my favorite beans to buy freshly roasted beans in 250g bag every third day. Then I wouldn't have to buy several bags of coffee to save on shipping and don't live in an endless purchase and tracking cycle. Now I just leave few of coffee bags on a shelf and another few bags wrap into several plastics bags with as less air as possible (to protect from possible moisture and smells) and freeze. After I remove a bag of coffee from freezer, I wrap it in a several towels and let acclimatize overnight to open it next day. At the end of batch I have slightly stale coffee (6-8 weeks) but at least I can brew beans whatever I fancy. I just don't have a good place to set up mini roaster and single time I tried it in a flat ended up with a relationship strength test and I have to admit smell during roasting process is disgusting so I never insisted to repeat roasting at home.
Excellent advice from Petra Davies Veselá on coffee freshness, why it is important and how to keep your coffee fresh. Buy coffee from local coffee shop or from a coffee roastery. Note the roast date. Best by is meaningless. Buy beans The best storage for your coffee coffee bans is the coffee bag it was shipped in. Vacuum containers extract air, in addition they extract aroma from the coffee beans. Extract coffee from the coffee bags, squeeze the bag to expel air, then seal the bag. Once open the beans will only keep for a few days before they go stale, lose their aroma and oxidise. Buying large bags of coffee is a false economy. The coffee needs to be fresh, and will go stale quickly once open. Buy smaller bags, more often. You would not buy fresh produce in larger quantities than is needed. The same applies to coffee. Do not leave the beans in a hopper. Use a hand grinder, Rhino, Crunch Grind. Knock, Comandante. Or Niche Zero. Niche Zero is a single dose grinder, no hopper, thus no temptation to leave the beans in a hopper, there is no hopper. Do not store the beans in a fridge. Condensation will form on the beans when removed from the fridge. The beans will pick up odours from the fridge. keithpp.wordpress.com/2020/12/20/lincoln-eco-pantry/ Zero waste shops are excellent for dried fruits, nuts, refilling shampoo bottles, but not for buying loose coffee beans that are bagged and weighed. The beans will be stale. Lincoln Eco Pantry, the coffee beans stored loose in tins, shipped from the roastery in plastic boxes. Looking in one tin marked Brazil, dark burnt over roasted coffee beans, the smell of burnt stale beans. Not pleasant.
I find doing weight grinding for espresso perfect, as I just weigh 18-20grms for a double shot or 21-22grm for a triple shot, and 10-12grm for singleshot
How does it work that you lose the aroma when you pour the beans into vacuum container from the bag when the bag has the aroma? Doesn't that mean the aroma already left the beans into the gases of the bag and won't go back once you grind them even if they're stored in the bag?
You recommend buying "small" bags of coffee like 250 grams and finishing them in 5-7 days once open. If you are by yourself you really would need to be making coffee many times during the day to finish a 250 gram bag in that time frame. Most people recommend finishing a bag within a month to 45 days, which seems more reasonable.
Well, if one cup is 20g then a 250g bag is roughly 12cups which in 5-7days equals 2 cups a day... that sounds totally realistic to me. If you buy good coffeebeans you Will also feel the rapid decline in quality after the first week of opening. It is depressing and should be avoided if possible👍🏻
This is an interesting test czcams.com/video/6TMkDe1XtIM/video.html we need such fairly objective analysis. Too many opinions about the subject are based on repeating widely help opinions.
The winning recipe from the 2016 World AeroPress Championship calls for 35g of coarsely ground coffee and makes a nice and strong ~9oz cup. That would be 7 days with 5g leftover from a 250g bag. You could save those 5g and every 2 months put all of them together to have an extra brew that you freeze into cubes for iced coffee.
I’ve been using the fellow atoms vaccine container and I think she’s right. It does suck some goodness out of the beans. Since I’ve stoped using it I’ve had much better coffees.
I recently visited two roasters where they store their beans either in a plastic container box with lid and the other one with a tin box with lid. They both seal their beans in front of the customers as they buy. I don't know whether it's the light/med-light roast that don't matter that much or they have their own way to store it just to facilitate for their operation. I hope I could understand more as a customer. The beans are in decent freshness by all means. Thanks.
@@adammachin yes, I feel like they were counterintuitive. They know the beans are exposed to the air and moisture already but they committed it to customers and bag it the right way.. unless they have special magic in their containers or it's totally okay to do that when they return the batch into an airtight bag when the store close every night?? That's what I want to know the reasoning behind it.
@@ksalanpang If it's done after the first few days after roasting then it's not okay. You should not buy coffee from there as it is not the best it can be. They do it because it's easier for them to fill out every order one by one - so they waste no money on bags of coffee that don't get sold. But it's bad for the customer.
I dont think this video does the topic justice without mentioning freezing portions of beans in an airtight container. That sounds like the most practical method for home brewers rather than purchasing a small amount every week or two.
Specialty coffee industry's next mission should be how to significantly extend the freshness of the beans even after the bag is opened. Coffee taste/aroma/freshness is at its peak for only one week as stated in the video. This is insanely impractical, to be honest. The smallest bag I could find from local specialty coffee roasteries was 10 oz (~283g) and this certainly takes more than a week to finish.
the thing is you need the weight from the beans above to push them down and grind more consistent If you only put a single dose beans will start to bounce around only getting partially ground
You are right that weight is needed to create pressure and make upper beans forcing lower beans between blades, though it's also not quite true that beans get ground only partially. For sure beans are ground fully in a sense that you will not find halves or quarters of beans in a basket, they just are ground for longer and probably not as efficiently as with full hopper. At very end, coffee ground without weight forcing beans down, isn't too consistent with rest of grounds but for double that's not too big part, I just mix it with main part of ground coffee and don't feel bad about it. Single dosing isn't a silver bullet but for small volume home setting it's a solution to consider. Italian home grinders have very basic hoppers and provide poor means or none of restricting bean flow to pour them back into bag. And at home I wouldn't want to deal with removing beans anyway. Hand grinders are naturally built for single dosing, though, but quality ones cost same as acceptable electric grinders.
Be careful of the foreign particle such as "STONE" if you choose to pour the entire bag into the hopper, It will ruin your grinder in a split of second. Make sure you inspect them before pouring into the hopper.
Only thing that I'm not too excited about with buying smaller batches is the amount of plastic that's being used for packaging. Would there be a better way for a roastery to reuse packaging?
I found a couple of roasters near me who are happy for me to bring my own container and pay by weight, its worth asking as many roasters have the same bad feeling about waste
The biggest issue I have is that I don't have a big budget for coffee. I usually get it at Sam's Club or Wal-mart (roughly 50/50). At Sam's they have 2lbs bag ($10) of good (not great) coffee and the expiration date on it is usually a year out. At Wal-mart they a couple of brands that are roughly 11oz a bag at $6-7 with same expiration and is better coffee. There is one more at another store for the same price and weight as Wal-mart's and is significantly better coffee, but is out of the way for us. Price per weight, Sam's Club's coffee is better with the sacrifice of taste and freshness. I say freshness, because I am the only coffee drinker. A two pound bag last 2-3 weeks. To get the same amount of coffee in the smaller bags, it would roughly be 3 bags for a total that's twice the amount of the 2lb bag.
@@iamjerney Believe it or not, coffee from a coffee shop actually costs $15 for a 12oz bag. Yes, the coffee is fresher. However, as stated before, I do have a very low budget. So, mathematically broken down: $20 for 2 2lb bags at Sam's Club, $36 for 6 11oz bags @ Wal-mart, and $90 for 6 12oz bags at my local coffee shop. It might also help to note that when I say I'm a coffee drinker, I mean that coffee is pretty much all I drink (with the exception of the occasional Monster Java). If I was a 2 cup a day drinker, then maybe the local coffee shop wouldn't be a bad thing.
So, storing ground coffee is not recommended? I do it because I find it more practical for travel and because I don't want to bring a hand grinder every where I go.
I wish the stores sold packs of 100g coffee instead of 250g. For me, a 250g pack lasts for 20 days to a month, because I use 8g to 10g per serving because I can't ingest more caffeine. And I also don't want to religiously drink it every single day, twice a day.
So i shouldn't store any ground coffee? just grind coffee that you're gonna use. is freezing the coffee beans ok if i wanna store it for longer periods?
I normally request the roaster to pack it in 250g per pack so that I need not have to open the entire 1kg pack everyday. I also keep it in a canister together with the pack so that it reduces the exposure to the outside air. Someone propose the use of humidity control cabinet, this might be a good idea to explore. Definitely, buying 1kg pack is much economical than buying 250g. Rounded up the number over a year, you will see the cost savings is huge.
To me,the valve in the pouch is a myth.. and freezing the beans is the way to go. No moisture issue, even if lettle bit got moisture it is in cold weather. From experience.
hello do you have an opinion on buying 250grm beans at super market with a date use by of 12 months .i seem to have no problem . but i am not a coffee expert and i do love the drinks from these beans .Some sites say coffee no good over one week
I roast my own beans at home in 1 pound batches. What about freezing the beans after I let them degas for 48 hours. They are in a sealed container and never in the freezer more than a week before I use them. I have not tasted any difference or degradation myself
I’m new to coffee and was about to buy tons of bags of coffee beans. Looks like that wouldn’t be wise. Right now I go through about 3-5lbs of coffee per week. As of now I don’t have a espresso machine. We are using a Mika Pot right now. But I’m saving up for a Espresso machine.
According to this I can't drink coffee at home 1 I live in Arizona it is hot.2 I am the only coffee drinker in the house and drink 1 to 2 cups a day so hard to but small enough quantities 12 ounces lasts a about a month and my income makes it necessary to buy for at least that long.
I split the 1kg into smaller pack such as 250g per pack, keep them in the vacuum canister. I had tried this for over a month, degassing is still happening, but the beans are still reasonably fresh and I can still get decent crema. Buying 1kg is much economical than buying small pack, it helps to reduce the overall cost.
If you roast yourself , when are the beans ready to grind and use , some say , same Day other say you have to wait 2-7 days , what are the correct Way 👍thanks
Usually you want to wait around 7 days. You can grind them after 3 days at the earliest if you are in a hurry, but they are not as good then. Some beans need up to 14 days to get the gasses out.
A lot of times when I walk into this small Brooklyn roastery, the beans are still warm. I get 1/2 pound of dark roast for milk based drinks, and 1/2 pound of medium roast for espresso. Usually waiting 3 to 5 days before grinding... fresh and delicious
I've found that it is more cost-effective to order 3 x 250g bags (free shipping usually required a minimum USD $50 purchase). So I open one bag and try to use it quickly, but have been leaving the other 2 in the original sealed bag at room temperature. Would it be better to store these unopened bags in the freezer, as long as I let them return to room temperature before opening?
Lol I was thinking the same thing. I don’t know if putting my bags in the freezer in a plastic container is a good or bad thing that will extend the life of its freshness,
I popcorn popper roast my beans, cool them, portion them into 1 week supplies and vacuum bag them into bag #1 and then vacuum bag them in bag #2. I date the #2 bag with a stick-on label, not a marker pen. I keep them in a kitchen cabinet next to or above the fridge for the uniform heating and cooling atmosphere and minimal ambient light exposure. Does it make for a better cup of coffee? I don’t know! But, I have nothing else to be concerned with at age 88.
@@barkingdoggai Thank you! Looks like the consensus is get a vacuum bag solution. I hope to be roasting coffee up until your age (25 right now). It's a fun hobby with good returns
@@crazyjoedavola9002 Those are not good, as the gasses cannot get out during the first week after roasting. You should just buy some coffee bags from Amazon.
Guy Tzur freezer is fine. Check out Sprometheus. He put coffee in the freezer for a year and did a side by side test. Personally once I took it out I wouldn’t put it back in
@@endautrestermes but it's a coffee video not a look how hot I am video. They are not opening themselves up to comments like that. If you started creeping on your barista you would be kicked out the coffee shop. Keep it to yourself weirdo.
@@PebelWasTaken I was reacting to your pedantic puritan comment in the first place. Who the hell are you to call me a weirdo based on the fact that I could possibly be attracted by a woman ?
I mean, there's no difference between buying your coffee from roastery 3-7 days from when it's roasted or roasting it yourself and waiting the same 3-7 days before grinding and brewing it.
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I keep my coffee in the freezer. It keeps well.
... to help you out: the gas valves are not needed on the (whole bean) roasted coffee beans bags. And yes, the valves contribute to loose a lot of the aroma, as well by de-gassing the bags. We, in the last 10 years never used valved bags for the our org. branded (roasted beans) coffee. And we never had any bag ruptured, with the customers feedback, to note, as well, to-day. The valved bags - you need only (and really) for the grounded, and coarse grounded, and similar, (other than beans) coffee. Hoping it helps, and thanks a lot for sharing the video and the insights :).
Usually i buy 3 x 250gr bags or 4-5 x 150gr, i use one like your advice in the video and store the extra ones in the freezer at about -20c
Before i store them in the freezer i push the bags gently to force some of the air and gasses out of the bag through the degas valve
When it's time to open a new sealed bag from the ones stored in the freezer i grab one and let it settle overnight or for some hours on the bench for the coffee beans to come up to room temperature before open it, NEVER open it while its cold
Once open it never goes back in to freezer again because the moisture form the air will become ice =water
Coffee could stay fresh after roasting forever all you need is controlled humidified environment
we use the same process for storing cigars a humidity pack called ( (boveda) %69 60g) keep the humidity at 69% which keep the coffee fresh few days ago I tried a 3 months old coffee and it still taste sooo good
try it go on amazon and by a boveda 69 and through it in the bag with your coffee and it should last much longer
there is a study I found after doing this experiment that humidity protect the oils in the coffee from oxidation
hope this helps someone
You wouldn't happen to have a link to the study?
Are you putting 1 Packs of Boveda 69% (60g) in 1 packs of 250gram coffee?
@@JanuarAdnanMurwalistyo yes
Pseudoscience meh.
nice
I buy a kg of decent quality beans and split them into three bags. Use one and freeze the others until I need to use the others. Stays fresher then me leaving it in the bag for a few weeks for us to finish.
Would ideally buy 250g bags each week but it costs around double and gets quite expensive when you have the whole family drinking a few cups each a day
Never thought about putting em in the freezer. Good idea.
@@Mike_Wazowskii7 The freezer preserves the beans but it also makes them go bad quicker once you take them out of the freezer.
1000g / 18g (double espresso) = 55.5 coffees. Over seven days is 8 cups a day. Or 2 coffees each a day for a family of four coffee drinkers. Pour over or French press coffees will use even faster. Or take 8 or 9 days to consume and see if the taste deteriorates.
@@danbo967 would it work better if we seal the beans together with desiccants and put them in the freezer. and when it's time to use, just defrost it to room temp before unsealing the bag. what do you guys think?
What I personally do: Vacuum pack in 45g batches and store in a freezer. Vacuum packed beans stay fresh for months and with smaller batches you can take out only what you need for the day, avoiding problems of condensation and freeze-thaw cycles.
Sounds good! We will certainly try it and we have more scientific article in the pipeline that also talks about freezing coffee.
@@EuropeanCoffeeTrip Scientific approach certainly doesn't hurt!
But you still need to thaw them right? How long does that take?
I was also thinking about this, but does the negative pressure of the vacuum pull out the gasses from the beans? Another tip is to allow the beans to fully come back to room temperature before opening the sealed freezer bag to prevent condensation.
Great video! Thinking out loud - it seems to me that storing your beans in the fridge should be OK as long as you only take out single doses and grind them directly, as one would do for instance with a Niche Zero or a hand grinder. The condensed water that the cold beans may attract should then actually be a good thing - some baristas even spray their beans with a little water before grinding them, to avoid static electricity.
Only works if you refrigerate in single-dose bags. She's saying that every time you open your cold bag, moisture is attracted to all the beans in the bag, including the beans you aren't using.
This advice is great if you have a coffee shop that has enough volume but what advice do you have for home user that typically store coffee for 1-3 months
Really one of the best videos I've seen on coffee freshness! Great tips and very well explained!
I buy 100 grams every 2 days in Albania. It is way worth the effort of going to the roaster that often. It is always warm from the grinder.
On contrary it is recommended to spray beans with distilled water just before grounding coffee and brewing, then they ope more allowing for deeper flavour. Also fridge si the best solution to keep it fresh.
At the end you say that it might be a bit harsh. Maybe if you're standing next to the coffee section in the local supermarket telling it to strangers. But to people who watch videos about coffee storage like me it is very helpful.
I'd love to have local roaster within walking distance with a stock of my favorite beans to buy freshly roasted beans in 250g bag every third day. Then I wouldn't have to buy several bags of coffee to save on shipping and don't live in an endless purchase and tracking cycle. Now I just leave few of coffee bags on a shelf and another few bags wrap into several plastics bags with as less air as possible (to protect from possible moisture and smells) and freeze. After I remove a bag of coffee from freezer, I wrap it in a several towels and let acclimatize overnight to open it next day. At the end of batch I have slightly stale coffee (6-8 weeks) but at least I can brew beans whatever I fancy. I just don't have a good place to set up mini roaster and single time I tried it in a flat ended up with a relationship strength test and I have to admit smell during roasting process is disgusting so I never insisted to repeat roasting at home.
Excellent advice from Petra Davies Veselá on coffee freshness, why it is important and how to keep your coffee fresh.
Buy coffee from local coffee shop or from a coffee roastery. Note the roast date. Best by is meaningless.
Buy beans
The best storage for your coffee coffee bans is the coffee bag it was shipped in. Vacuum containers extract air, in addition they extract aroma from the coffee beans.
Extract coffee from the coffee bags, squeeze the bag to expel air, then seal the bag.
Once open the beans will only keep for a few days before they go stale, lose their aroma and oxidise.
Buying large bags of coffee is a false economy. The coffee needs to be fresh, and will go stale quickly once open. Buy smaller bags, more often.
You would not buy fresh produce in larger quantities than is needed. The same applies to coffee.
Do not leave the beans in a hopper.
Use a hand grinder, Rhino, Crunch Grind. Knock, Comandante. Or Niche Zero. Niche Zero is a single dose grinder, no hopper, thus no temptation to leave the beans in a hopper, there is no hopper.
Do not store the beans in a fridge. Condensation will form on the beans when removed from the fridge. The beans will pick up odours from the fridge.
keithpp.wordpress.com/2020/12/20/lincoln-eco-pantry/
Zero waste shops are excellent for dried fruits, nuts, refilling shampoo bottles, but not for buying loose coffee beans that are bagged and weighed. The beans will be stale.
Lincoln Eco Pantry, the coffee beans stored loose in tins, shipped from the roastery in plastic boxes. Looking in one tin marked Brazil, dark burnt over roasted coffee beans, the smell of burnt stale beans. Not pleasant.
This is the way.
I find doing weight grinding for espresso perfect, as I just weigh 18-20grms for a double shot or 21-22grm for a triple shot, and 10-12grm for singleshot
How does it work that you lose the aroma when you pour the beans into vacuum container from the bag when the bag has the aroma? Doesn't that mean the aroma already left the beans into the gases of the bag and won't go back once you grind them even if they're stored in the bag?
You recommend buying "small" bags of coffee like 250 grams and finishing them in 5-7 days once open. If you are by yourself you really would need to be making coffee many times during the day to finish a 250 gram bag in that time frame. Most people recommend finishing a bag within a month to 45 days, which seems more reasonable.
Well, if one cup is 20g then a 250g bag is roughly 12cups which in 5-7days equals 2 cups a day... that sounds totally realistic to me. If you buy good coffeebeans you Will also feel the rapid decline in quality after the first week of opening. It is depressing and should be avoided if possible👍🏻
250 grams @ 20g per cup is only 12.5 cups. That's a little less than 2 cups a day for 7 days
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@@teramonte7077 unless you drink normal Italian espresso. Thats 7gr dose.
The winning recipe from the 2016 World AeroPress Championship calls for 35g of coarsely ground coffee and makes a nice and strong ~9oz cup.
That would be 7 days with 5g leftover from a 250g bag. You could save those 5g and every 2 months put all of them together to have an extra brew that you freeze into cubes for iced coffee.
I’ve been using the fellow atoms vaccine container and I think she’s right. It does suck some goodness out of the beans. Since I’ve stoped using it I’ve had much better coffees.
Thank you! You answered all my questions.🙂🙏🏽
I recently visited two roasters where they store their beans either in a plastic container box with lid and the other one with a tin box with lid. They both seal their beans in front of the customers as they buy. I don't know whether it's the light/med-light roast that don't matter that much or they have their own way to store it just to facilitate for their operation. I hope I could understand more as a customer. The beans are in decent freshness by all means. Thanks.
how do they prevent air getting in to the containers when they're getting beans out to bag up?
@@adammachin yes, I feel like they were counterintuitive. They know the beans are exposed to the air and moisture already but they committed it to customers and bag it the right way.. unless they have special magic in their containers or it's totally okay to do that when they return the batch into an airtight bag when the store close every night?? That's what I want to know the reasoning behind it.
@@ksalanpang If it's done after the first few days after roasting then it's not okay. You should not buy coffee from there as it is not the best it can be. They do it because it's easier for them to fill out every order one by one - so they waste no money on bags of coffee that don't get sold. But it's bad for the customer.
I dont think this video does the topic justice without mentioning freezing portions of beans in an airtight container. That sounds like the most practical method for home brewers rather than purchasing a small amount every week or two.
Freezing won’t preserve the aroma 100%, it will only slow down the aging process. You will kill the original flavor.
Plus you get a mixed aroma and flavor with other frozen foods and meats. Please off the freezer.
Specialty coffee industry's next mission should be how to significantly extend the freshness of the beans even after the bag is opened. Coffee taste/aroma/freshness is at its peak for only one week as stated in the video. This is insanely impractical, to be honest. The smallest bag I could find from local specialty coffee roasteries was 10 oz (~283g) and this certainly takes more than a week to finish.
I agree
Freeze the coffee or vacuum seal :)
How bout those beans sitting into the hopper for the whole day? I think its much better if you will put the beans only as needed.
the thing is you need the weight from the beans above to push them down and grind more consistent
If you only put a single dose beans will start to bounce around only getting partially ground
You are right that weight is needed to create pressure and make upper beans forcing lower beans between blades, though it's also not quite true that beans get ground only partially. For sure beans are ground fully in a sense that you will not find halves or quarters of beans in a basket, they just are ground for longer and probably not as efficiently as with full hopper. At very end, coffee ground without weight forcing beans down, isn't too consistent with rest of grounds but for double that's not too big part, I just mix it with main part of ground coffee and don't feel bad about it.
Single dosing isn't a silver bullet but for small volume home setting it's a solution to consider. Italian home grinders have very basic hoppers and provide poor means or none of restricting bean flow to pour them back into bag. And at home I wouldn't want to deal with removing beans anyway. Hand grinders are naturally built for single dosing, though, but quality ones cost same as acceptable electric grinders.
Be careful of the foreign particle such as "STONE" if you choose to pour the entire bag into the hopper, It will ruin your grinder in a split of second. Make sure you inspect them before pouring into the hopper.
thank you for this!!!!
Great tips! Love your accent too!
This was a great Video. Valuable info from professionals is always great
Only thing that I'm not too excited about with buying smaller batches is the amount of plastic that's being used for packaging. Would there be a better way for a roastery to reuse packaging?
I found a couple of roasters near me who are happy for me to bring my own container and pay by weight, its worth asking as many roasters have the same bad feeling about waste
One to two weeks, forget that. I'd be drinking coffee all day long.
exactly, as well as spending over a thousand dollars per year for bags of coffee. A 12oz bag of coffee can make 36 cups of coffee.
Ulcers. Brother drank it constantly. Had to quit completely. FYI
Rediculous.
DarrickDraper do it for years maybe you will be lucky. Maybe not.
@@techguy9023 not proven connection.
thank you!!! i was putting my beans in the fridge which i now know it is a NO NO
Thank you so much for your information very helpful for me to enjoy.
Fresh, coffee, fresh.
Thank you, it's very useful.
Can you freeze coffee?
I enjoyed this video. Thank you!!
Sincere thanks!
The biggest issue I have is that I don't have a big budget for coffee. I usually get it at Sam's Club or Wal-mart (roughly 50/50). At Sam's they have 2lbs bag ($10) of good (not great) coffee and the expiration date on it is usually a year out. At Wal-mart they a couple of brands that are roughly 11oz a bag at $6-7 with same expiration and is better coffee. There is one more at another store for the same price and weight as Wal-mart's and is significantly better coffee, but is out of the way for us. Price per weight, Sam's Club's coffee is better with the sacrifice of taste and freshness. I say freshness, because I am the only coffee drinker. A two pound bag last 2-3 weeks. To get the same amount of coffee in the smaller bags, it would roughly be 3 bags for a total that's twice the amount of the 2lb bag.
Try some "specialty" coffee from a local roaster, it will be more ethically sourced and much better flavour for a slight price increase
@@iamjerney Believe it or not, coffee from a coffee shop actually costs $15 for a 12oz bag. Yes, the coffee is fresher. However, as stated before, I do have a very low budget. So, mathematically broken down: $20 for 2 2lb bags at Sam's Club, $36 for 6 11oz bags @ Wal-mart, and $90 for 6 12oz bags at my local coffee shop. It might also help to note that when I say I'm a coffee drinker, I mean that coffee is pretty much all I drink (with the exception of the occasional Monster Java). If I was a 2 cup a day drinker, then maybe the local coffee shop wouldn't be a bad thing.
I repack my pre roasted pre grounds into smaller mylar bags to limit air exposure I find that it’s been drinking much richer and stronger.
Dividing your coffee into several bags and only use one small container at a time would be a good solution.
Thanks for this episode. I was about to buy the vacuum sealed containter for grinded coffee, but now I see that this is a bad idea in general :)
Yeah don’t do it for ground coffee but honestly whole beans go for it. It still helps, not as much as we like but it still helps
Thank you 🙏
thank you, good information
Thank you!!!
So, storing ground coffee is not recommended? I do it because I find it more practical for travel and because I don't want to bring a hand grinder every where I go.
I wish the stores sold packs of 100g coffee instead of 250g. For me, a 250g pack lasts for 20 days to a month, because I use 8g to 10g per serving because I can't ingest more caffeine. And I also don't want to religiously drink it every single day, twice a day.
Very useful. Thank you! :)
Just to summarize: for storing coffee is better to keep in the coffee beg than in the Vacuum container ?
So i shouldn't store any ground coffee? just grind coffee that you're gonna use. is freezing the coffee beans ok if i wanna store it for longer periods?
thanks !
Now I know. 👌
I'm in the group with 1kg and wonder why it tastes stale after a couple of weeks ... need to lookup different sizes then
most places sell coffee in 250g bags
I normally request the roaster to pack it in 250g per pack so that I need not have to open the entire 1kg pack everyday. I also keep it in a canister together with the pack so that it reduces the exposure to the outside air. Someone propose the use of humidity control cabinet, this might be a good idea to explore. Definitely, buying 1kg pack is much economical than buying 250g. Rounded up the number over a year, you will see the cost savings is huge.
To me,the valve in the pouch is a myth.. and freezing the beans is the way to go. No moisture issue, even if lettle bit got moisture it is in cold weather. From experience.
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Is there a way to keep ground coffee fresh for 2 months? I need to stock up for coming 2 months for some reasons. I'll be buying 500gm of coffee.
Freezing it in the original bags. Then let it slowly defreeze before opening it. It should slow down the aging process by 10x.
Thank you
Good advices
hello do you have an opinion on buying 250grm beans at super market with a date use by of 12 months .i seem to have no problem . but i am not a coffee expert and i do love the drinks from these beans .Some sites say coffee no good over one week
Very nice
But the coffee comes roasted from the shop. Maybe it's been there for one year. How can I know if it's still fresh?
there should be a roast date on the bag telling you when it was roasted
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Hey what's the chemistry behind this?
a good source is the SCA Freshness booklet, the references in it will lead you to more
I roast my own beans at home in 1 pound batches. What about freezing the beans after I let them degas for 48 hours. They are in a sealed container and never in the freezer more than a week before I use them. I have not tasted any difference or degradation myself
We are planning a video about freezing & freshness. You can check video from FUKU in Amsterdam where they implemented it behind the bar.
I’m new to coffee and was about to buy tons of bags of coffee beans. Looks like that wouldn’t be wise. Right now I go through about 3-5lbs of coffee per week. As of now I don’t have a espresso machine. We are using a Mika Pot right now. But I’m saving up for a Espresso machine.
According to this I can't drink coffee at home 1 I live in Arizona it is hot.2 I am the only coffee drinker in the house and drink 1 to 2 cups a day so hard to but small enough quantities 12 ounces lasts a about a month and my income makes it necessary to buy for at least that long.
Thanks for your comment. Of course, you can, it may just not the be freshest coffee possible, which is not a problem for most people.
Great video again. Do the naughty dog sells online? I would like to try it (Portugal). I cannot find it online
Hi Carlos, thank you! Check them on Instagram: instagram.com/the_naughtydog
I bought 1kg to use the folllowing 4 weeks.... how can I keep it the freshiest possible¿
I split the 1kg into smaller pack such as 250g per pack, keep them in the vacuum canister. I had tried this for over a month, degassing is still happening, but the beans are still reasonably fresh and I can still get decent crema. Buying 1kg is much economical than buying small pack, it helps to reduce the overall cost.
@@BaysviewPg Thank you!! :)
can you please do a video about how to store coffee drink too? thanks
coffee drink? like premade coffee? the fridge homie.
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If you roast yourself , when are the beans ready to grind and use , some say , same Day other say you have to wait 2-7 days , what are the correct Way 👍thanks
generally speaking, yes! This is called the resting period. Tho, some specific beans need upto 10-14 days resting period.
Usually you want to wait around 7 days. You can grind them after 3 days at the earliest if you are in a hurry, but they are not as good then. Some beans need up to 14 days to get the gasses out.
A lot of times when I walk into this small Brooklyn roastery, the beans are still warm. I get 1/2 pound of dark roast for milk based drinks, and 1/2 pound of medium roast for espresso. Usually waiting 3 to 5 days before grinding... fresh and delicious
What brand are the sealer machine , thanks👍😊
I truly want her book T_T but I don't know czech
I've found that it is more cost-effective to order 3 x 250g bags (free shipping usually required a minimum USD $50 purchase). So I open one bag and try to use it quickly, but have been leaving the other 2 in the original sealed bag at room temperature. Would it be better to store these unopened bags in the freezer, as long as I let them return to room temperature before opening?
İts sound funny how you say coffee (koffi) and you say it a lot :))) thnx
Drinking it within one week seems unrealistic when there is only one person, even when ordering 12 oz bags!
Lol I was thinking the same thing. I don’t know if putting my bags in the freezer in a plastic container is a good or bad thing that will extend the life of its freshness,
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Lol max one week? I get that it's better, but it's kinda bullshit to say that.
How about for home roasters who don’t have bags with fancy sealing methods?
Vaccum seal bags 👌🏻
I get bags and a sealer from amazon for my home roasting. It is a small investment to take your home roasting to the next level.
I popcorn popper roast my beans, cool them, portion them into 1 week supplies and vacuum bag them into bag #1 and then vacuum bag them in bag #2. I date the #2 bag with a stick-on label, not a marker pen. I keep them in a kitchen cabinet next to or above the fridge for the uniform heating and cooling atmosphere and minimal ambient light exposure. Does it make for a better cup of coffee? I don’t know! But, I have nothing else to be concerned with at age 88.
@@barkingdoggai Thank you! Looks like the consensus is get a vacuum bag solution. I hope to be roasting coffee up until your age (25 right now). It's a fun hobby with good returns
@@crazyjoedavola9002 Those are not good, as the gasses cannot get out during the first week after roasting. You should just buy some coffee bags from Amazon.
I buy Folgers Coffee. I guess I’m screwed.
By the time I finished this my coffee beans were
too stale to use, not sure why a paragraph wouldn't
suffice.
Nice people, but geeezz....
Ohhh I love beautiful Petra xxoo
do you mean freezer or refrigerator ?
Guy Tzur freezer is fine. Check out Sprometheus. He put coffee in the freezer for a year and did a side by side test. Personally once I took it out I wouldn’t put it back in
NO if you the beans will get wet which is bad
Her coffee storage techniques only works if you have an extra load of cash coming in each month. Nonsense for your middle class person.
What a beautiful women. I think im in love...
give me a break ... one week ... in real life coffee is great no matter how old it is
You're referring to the caffeine boost, not the flavour of the coffee. Those with a zinc deficiency can't taste or smell.
The video is one of the worst video about coffee. She gave lots of fault info.
I’m attracted to these accents
Wtf it's a coffee channel. Creepy
@@PebelWasTaken chill out. I'm attracted by the girl too, guess what, we're humans before being coffee enthusiasts
@@endautrestermes but it's a coffee video not a look how hot I am video. They are not opening themselves up to comments like that. If you started creeping on your barista you would be kicked out the coffee shop. Keep it to yourself weirdo.
@@PebelWasTaken I was reacting to your pedantic puritan comment in the first place. Who the hell are you to call me a weirdo based on the fact that I could possibly be attracted by a woman ?
@@endautrestermes Because you are telling the whole world about it on a coffee video.
Great tips from a beautiful woman!☺️
Until you roast you own coffee you haven't had fresh coffee.
I mean, there's no difference between buying your coffee from roastery 3-7 days from when it's roasted or roasting it yourself and waiting the same 3-7 days before grinding and brewing it.
Not until you grow your own coffee beans