TNG Had the Worst Pilot of All Time (Encounter at Farpoint)

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  • @thunderphoenix440
    @thunderphoenix440 Před 4 lety +1102

    When Wesley says "he brought my father's body home" it makes me envision Picard just kicking open their front door, hoofing it in with Jack's carcass over his shoulder, tossing it in the middle of the living room, and leaving without saying anything.

    • @Enzo012
      @Enzo012 Před 4 lety +53

      He probably lobbed it over the garden fence.

    • @alanpennie8013
      @alanpennie8013 Před 4 lety +25

      @@Enzo012
      That Picard eh!

    • @kerrychristensen7204
      @kerrychristensen7204 Před 4 lety +5

      *Rukia~*

    • @TheWilkReport
      @TheWilkReport Před 4 lety +13

      Or, possibly, bringing it home like a normal person would in a coffin at the funeral home on Earth or whatever planet Beverly was stationed on with her son.

    • @kerrychristensen7204
      @kerrychristensen7204 Před 4 lety +20

      @@TheWilkReport 🤔 That might work

  • @michaelchallis4129
    @michaelchallis4129 Před 4 lety +737

    Whenever Groppler Zorn’s not on screen, all the other characters should be asking “Where’s Groppler Zorn?”

    • @klisterklister2367
      @klisterklister2367 Před 4 lety +27

      where is my groppler zorn merchandise

    • @Tareltonlives
      @Tareltonlives Před 4 lety +37

      "I must go. My planet needs me"

    • @richardgadberry8398
      @richardgadberry8398 Před 4 lety +36

      Note: Groppler Zorn died on the way back to his home planet.

    • @Janx14
      @Janx14 Před 4 lety +6

      Clearly the Michael Burnam of his time.

    • @repletereplete8002
      @repletereplete8002 Před 4 lety +19

      Groppler Zorn needs to be louder, angrier, and have access to a time machine.

  • @zakkizer2490
    @zakkizer2490 Před rokem +120

    This episode has only two redeeming qualities:
    1) John De Lancie as Q
    2) the fact that they could revisit all this in All Good Things and actually make it entertaining

    • @sockpuppy8811
      @sockpuppy8811 Před rokem +18

      You forgot Groppler Zorn

    • @kevindobson3701
      @kevindobson3701 Před rokem +2

      Lol

    • @caroltawil
      @caroltawil Před rokem +9

      What about DeForest Kelley’s appearance?

    • @Bu33ab3
      @Bu33ab3 Před 7 měsíci +1

      And Groppler Zorn is one of the best things in the pilot. I want a Groppler Zorn spin off series

    • @joe9739
      @joe9739 Před 3 měsíci +1

      I separate Ages as such: B.G. (Before GROPPLER) and A.G. (After GROPPLER)

  • @Rahhelthethird
    @Rahhelthethird Před 3 lety +240

    Oh I remember when Kirk asked in the fifth movie: "What does Groppler Zorn need with a starship?"

    • @Tareltonlives
      @Tareltonlives Před 3 lety +23

      "We were discussing...is Groppler Zorn really out there?"

    • @DannyBeans
      @DannyBeans Před rokem +9

      And remember how beautifully they foreshadowed it in "Wrath of Khan?" "I have been, and always shall be, Groppler Zorn." None of us had any idea at the time just what that meant, but damn were we excited to find out. Talk about playing the long game.

    • @thebasementfilmgroup
      @thebasementfilmgroup Před 10 měsíci +3

      "Can I Groppler, or Can't I" 😊

    • @Rayman1971
      @Rayman1971 Před 6 měsíci +3

      Or when they were trapped inside the small planet, in the second film, Kirk yelled "Groppler Zornnnnnnnnn!!!!" into his communicator!!!!

  • @motomike71
    @motomike71 Před 4 lety +686

    In the first two seasons Troi's power was that she could hear the underscore when it got spooky.

    • @xRaiofSunshine
      @xRaiofSunshine Před 4 lety +3

      Pffft!

    • @jasoncaldwell5627
      @jasoncaldwell5627 Před 3 lety +7

      She has mental powers that work... through the viewscreen.
      The actual person communicating might be millions of miles away, but as long as their image is on-screen, she's a talking lie-detector.
      (Facepalm)

    • @motomike71
      @motomike71 Před 3 lety +32

      @@jasoncaldwell5627 Troi's other power was to have the show fail the Bechdel Test. And also be bad a steering the ship when called upon to do so.

    • @JosephKeenanisme
      @JosephKeenanisme Před 3 lety +37

      You mean Counselor Obvious. "Captain I sense hostility from those aliens firing weapons at us!"

    • @Blisterdude123
      @Blisterdude123 Před 3 lety +33

      @@jasoncaldwell5627 Except 9 times in 10 'I'm not getting anything from them, Captain' followed by a constipated expression.

  • @fleacythesheepgirl
    @fleacythesheepgirl Před 4 lety +340

    Fun Fact: This entire video was created as a challenge to see how many times the words "Groppler Zorn" could be used in an episode.

  • @taiyo888
    @taiyo888 Před 2 lety +45

    "Why is Data so horrifying?" Honestly his whole exchange with Riker in the holodeck just makes me think of Lore and that I would be sprinting for the door if Data looked at me like that.

  • @balakbelek
    @balakbelek Před 3 lety +199

    Picard's "mmmmh" is always making me ugly laughing

    • @wangson
      @wangson Před 3 lety +7

      That, "Mmmmmh" is AMAZING!!

    • @rohansilas396
      @rohansilas396 Před 3 lety +2

      i realize it's quite off topic but do anyone know a good website to stream newly released movies online?

    • @neiljaxtyn4504
      @neiljaxtyn4504 Před 3 lety +2

      @Rohan Silas Lately I have been using Flixzone. Just search on google for it =)

    • @maximiliantommy1839
      @maximiliantommy1839 Před 3 lety +3

      @Rohan Silas i would suggest FlixZone. You can find it by googling :)

  • @link05g
    @link05g Před 4 lety +1063

    You've expressed your opinion in an engaging and humorous way, you remind me of a young Groppler Zorn...

    • @sparkymist
      @sparkymist Před 4 lety +28

      Groppler Zorn would be proud.

    • @colinp2238
      @colinp2238 Před 4 lety +15

      Stop groppling it doesn't suit you.

    • @Shadowkey392
      @Shadowkey392 Před 4 lety +7

      colin Paterson but GROPPLER ZORN!

    • @sinicalypse
      @sinicalypse Před 3 lety +5

      @@colinp2238 its too close to gropeler Zorn for comfort, ergo I would much prefer it if you cease and desist usage of the g-word because there are women here and we don't want to scare them off because they are mortified of being groped by the gropeler! Women come first around these parts (and if you turn that into a sexual pun then there is no hope for you. Grow up and embrace the pregler way!

    • @sinicalypse
      @sinicalypse Před 3 lety +2

      @sinicalypse also in fairness to me and my point, GROPP-LER ZORN looks like someone who wouldn't be above a grope

  • @xbleaksquidx
    @xbleaksquidx Před 4 lety +390

    I recently got my friend into Trek and warned her: "Listen this is gonna suck but it establishes the characters and introduces Q so we have to watch it. Enjoy the Space Tylenol Wall"

    • @DrewLSsix
      @DrewLSsix Před 4 lety +24

      It doesnt really establish any of the characters, they are effectively rebooted as time goes on but cant be said to have developed into their new static forms. And they do essentially remain static for the rest of the series, oddly leaving development for the films.

    • @collegeman1988
      @collegeman1988 Před 4 lety +20

      And The Naked Now is where Lieutenant Yar has an intimate relationship with Data where he tells her he is fully functional.

    • @sophiavechnyak6763
      @sophiavechnyak6763 Před 4 lety +27

      The first time I watched this I actually didn't notice it was bad because I was so busy watching star trek for the first time ever.

    • @dfghj241
      @dfghj241 Před 4 lety +20

      @@sophiavechnyak6763 yes, I'm finishing the second season of tng and I'm fucking loving it away too much. And everyone is saying these seasons suck??? I'll be hooked to the rest even more I suppose.

    • @robertwelch2843
      @robertwelch2843 Před 4 lety +6

      Tylenol wall is an expert summary. That shit ALWAYS puts me to sleep when starting up the series again

  • @lancebaylis3169
    @lancebaylis3169 Před 2 lety +132

    It took me forever to realize that the reason Troi is so over-acted in the episode is because Sirtis is being directed to reflect the mood of any given scene, ie Troi is feeling a emoting all the fear etc that the characters around her are feeling but burying. There are a few awkward scenes where her acting flips on a dime because of it.
    From episode 2 onwards they simplified her character's powers and it made things much better.

    • @Seemsayin
      @Seemsayin Před rokem +21

      Imagine not having a mood of your own. Everyone else's day... is YOUR day.

    • @Delightfully_Bitchy
      @Delightfully_Bitchy Před rokem +13

      With certain Autism and ADHD types, that's a reality. 😕

    • @MoonShadowWolfe
      @MoonShadowWolfe Před rokem +5

      Yeah, it reminds me of how Raven can be mishandled in the Teen Titans. If you start to lean too hard on how affected she is by everyone, she comes off as too sensitive to live very quickly.

    • @evangelinewood3325
      @evangelinewood3325 Před rokem +2

      @@Seemsayin that's fucking terrifying holy shit

    • @jonathanwashington6083
      @jonathanwashington6083 Před rokem +2

      @@evangelinewood3325 Eh, not necessary. (there was a pretty funny Futurama episode that did this.)

  • @innocentsmith6091
    @innocentsmith6091 Před 4 lety +89

    Nothing can phase O'Brien after the horrors he saw fighting the damn Cardies.

    • @kirkkerman
      @kirkkerman Před rokem +5

      At least he wasn't lighting that damn cahndle

    • @nigelmurphy6761
      @nigelmurphy6761 Před rokem +5

      He wasn't called O'Brien back down. He was just an unnamed bridge officer back then.

    • @BurritoVampire
      @BurritoVampire Před rokem +5

      Damn spoonheads... (It feels dirty saying a fictional slur for a fictional race)

    • @syncmonism
      @syncmonism Před měsícem

      @@nigelmurphy6761 Huh? So you don't want people to refer to that character by the name that character was given later on?! Why?!
      ... That's insane!

  • @Modern_Robot
    @Modern_Robot Před 4 lety +348

    They said they created the Abrams Trek bridge to look like an Apple store. Meanwhile TNG went with "87 Winnebago interior".

    • @zazaranger5
      @zazaranger5 Před 4 lety +16

      Ha! '87 Winnebago interior. Just like Lone Star's Eagle 5 From Spaceballs

    • @MyMagnificentOctopus
      @MyMagnificentOctopus Před 4 lety +17

      I thought it was more "upscale dentist waiting room."

    • @UltimatePerfection
      @UltimatePerfection Před 4 lety +14

      And TOS bridge is "average 60s mall"

    • @trazyntheinfinite9895
      @trazyntheinfinite9895 Před 4 lety +8

      Because only an Assclown would want to spend a 100%of his time on bridge in a fucking applestore.
      Jar Jar is a barely functional moron.

    • @zazaranger5
      @zazaranger5 Před 4 lety +1

      @@trazyntheinfinite9895 Ha! Jar Jar...Nice one!...

  • @ecmelton8633
    @ecmelton8633 Před 4 lety +211

    I like the part where the big jelly fish hold hands. It's pretty cute.

    • @alanpennie8013
      @alanpennie8013 Před 4 lety +13

      It was sweet.

    • @FrenkMelk
      @FrenkMelk Před 3 lety +6

      Iconic and WEIRD image from my early teens!

    • @kelvyquayo
      @kelvyquayo Před 2 lety +4

      it made me finally know what love is

    • @razzle8140
      @razzle8140 Před 2 lety

      Wow, how did this show become a hit? It was the 80's, I suppose jellyfish hand holding seemed very deep.

    • @AzaleaJane
      @AzaleaJane Před 2 lety +6

      I like how they were pink and blue. Gotta be clear that these are STRAIGHT space jellyfish!

  • @bertimusprime7900
    @bertimusprime7900 Před 4 lety +186

    I feel bad for the kids named Groppler, it’s like being named President, or Khaleesi. I just narrowly avoided that trend.

    • @Christobanistan
      @Christobanistan Před 2 lety +7

      My mom almost named my my twin sister and I "Jack" and "Jill." I do not think she realized the moral of that story. Thank god dad knew why they went up that hill and talked her down!

    • @Mecharnie_Dobbs
      @Mecharnie_Dobbs Před 2 lety +7

      They went up the hill to fetch a pail of water, what's wrong with that? Wait a minute...Who digs a well at the top of a hill? Where were they fetching water from? A church? Why did they need a pail of holy water? What the hell was going on?

    • @Christobanistan
      @Christobanistan Před 2 lety +3

      @@Mecharnie_Dobbs Hahaha! As I've heard it, Jill was a scandalous young girl made pregnant by Jack's. The implication was they were going up the hill to fool around, and the bump on his head was caused by one of the townspeople. Then she died shortly after.

    • @greenaum
      @greenaum Před 2 lety +10

      @@Christobanistan "Who digs a well at the top of a hill?"
      THAT is the unspoken question.

  • @lecafard4327
    @lecafard4327 Před 2 lety +99

    The Groppler Zorn speech was priceless. I am so glad we are out of the Angry Review age so we can see clever comedy like that speech shine.

  • @FaeQueenCory
    @FaeQueenCory Před 4 lety +224

    "Groppler Zorn, take the wheel!"
    I have nothing to add, as I can't improve upon perfection.

  • @hyperion327
    @hyperion327 Před 4 lety +532

    I don't understand why this review devoted so much time to non-Groppler-Zorn-related material.

  • @pennmike82
    @pennmike82 Před 4 lety +109

    It’s a relief to finally see someone recognize the key role Groppler Zorn played in bringing new viewers to the Star Trek franchise!

  • @cartoonkelly7924
    @cartoonkelly7924 Před 2 lety +21

    I like that you referenced how even Patrick Stewart didn’t believe in TNG in the beginning and didn’t bothered unpacking for a while. I’m discovering new things to love about this video to love.

    • @Tareltonlives
      @Tareltonlives Před 2 lety +8

      I remember hearing that the scripts were so bad that the rest of the cast( especially Dorn, Frakes and Spiner) began to goof off and riff on the show. Between the awful material and the constant jokes, Stewart was driven crazy until around halfway through the season then he just joined in the riffing.

  • @citizencalmar
    @citizencalmar Před 4 lety +173

    Suddenly I'm seized with the desire to attend some kind of con in Groppler Zorn cosplay.
    "You're dressed as a character from 'Encounter at Farpoint'? Did you actually *like* that episode?"
    "No, it's from this CZcams video. All the cool kids understand the reference."

    • @boobah5643
      @boobah5643 Před rokem +1

      To be fair, Allison isn't the only person who did comedic reviews of _Star Trek_ to fixate on Groppler Zorn. And who can blame any of them?

  • @nateshandy2070
    @nateshandy2070 Před 4 lety +82

    Allison saying "Groppler Zorn" as many times as humanly possible is my favorite thing on the Internet today.

  • @brianarbenz7206
    @brianarbenz7206 Před 4 lety +73

    I used my language app to translate "Gropler Zorn" into Swedish, then into Japanese, then into Bulgarian, then into Swahili, then into Latvian, then into Korean, then into Slovakian, then back into English. It came out "Allison Prelger." Hmmm.

  • @christopherjustice6411
    @christopherjustice6411 Před 4 lety +15

    Troi: Pain, loneliness, terrible loneliness
    Me: Stop describing my love life Deanna.

  • @SparkHazard
    @SparkHazard Před 4 lety +101

    Groppler Zorn would go on to stardom in the WWF as his wrestling alter ego, Grappler Zorn.

  • @KnightofDuroch
    @KnightofDuroch Před 4 lety +123

    You gotta tip your hat to the writers of "All Good Things..." for having the balls to craft a series finale that everyone loves by jumping back to the pilot that everyone hates.

    • @earlleeruhf3130
      @earlleeruhf3130 Před 2 lety +1

      That is my thought exactly. "All Good Things was a boring bookend to the boring Farpoint."

    • @shaunsteele8244
      @shaunsteele8244 Před 2 lety +4

      I just pretend that the Generations movie was the real finale

    • @Mr_Joe_B_619
      @Mr_Joe_B_619 Před 2 lety +3

      And they still didn't get Yar's hair right.

    • @xdproductions3087
      @xdproductions3087 Před 2 lety +3

      It needed more groppler zorn

    • @ryanleadbitter7749
      @ryanleadbitter7749 Před 2 lety +10

      @@shaunsteele8244 What? Generations was terrible! At least pretend First Contact is the finale if you’re gonna ignore how good All Good Things is.

  • @FancyGeeks
    @FancyGeeks Před 2 lety +8

    True story, Groppler Zorn refused to allow the show to be cancelled for the first three seasons. He knew it would get better.

  • @Libluini
    @Libluini Před 4 lety +30

    You really need to make more of this, I was laughing so hard at both "Grappler Zorn" and Data going "Yes we're guilty, please kill all Humans".

  • @Tareltonlives
    @Tareltonlives Před 4 lety +226

    "Sir, scanners point to a new Allison Pregler video"
    "On screen"
    "It's a Star Trek video. "
    "ENGAGE"

  • @Orandommeteredclock
    @Orandommeteredclock Před 4 lety +91

    I was gonna say “damn, that Riker’s a dish!” but then we’re introduced to Groppler Zorn and all bets were off! #MarriageMaterial

  • @Mobysimo
    @Mobysimo Před 2 lety +14

    Saying Gene Roddenberry had strange ideas is like saying Sith are mean
    Technically true but a massive understatement at the same time

  • @jonathonnoble4805
    @jonathonnoble4805 Před 4 lety +49

    This episode contained less Groppler Zorn than I had hoped, and was a good deal shy of the amount of Zorn time to be enjoyed in the most celebrated Star Trek motion picture, Star Trek: The Wrath of Zorn

    • @SMATF5
      @SMATF5 Před 2 lety +6

      ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRNNN!!!!!!!!!!

    • @angelusmaker
      @angelusmaker Před 2 lety +12

      Wrath in German is Zorn, so in German the film would be entitled "Der Zorn des Zorn"

  • @4Legacy
    @4Legacy Před 4 lety +112

    TROI: But if we collide with it, we could-
    PICARD: Shut off that damn noise.... And turn off that alarm too

    • @ThatJohnKillion1970
      @ThatJohnKillion1970 Před 4 lety +2

      Troi: Officer Obvious.

    • @andrewgilbertson5672
      @andrewgilbertson5672 Před 4 lety +8

      They brilliantly bookended the entire Next Generation era; in the first episode, Troi warns Picard not to crash the Enterprise; in the final movie, Picard orders Troi "go ahead and crash that Enterprise after all."

  • @JesseColton
    @JesseColton Před 4 lety +83

    I'm still angry that Groppler Zorn wasn't mentioned ONCE in Voyager. After all those years of dedicated fandom!

    • @traviss6564
      @traviss6564 Před 4 lety +10

      Neelix was too busy burning the food and Kes was too busy being useless for them to mention our own dear Groppler Zorn.

    • @matthewhennessey5967
      @matthewhennessey5967 Před 4 lety +8

      Voyager rejected Zorn's teachings, and were banished to the Delta Quadrant.

  • @nicholashurst780
    @nicholashurst780 Před 4 lety +5

    I can explain TNG's unexpected success in four words: the Reading Rainbow guy

  • @DustinBKerensky97
    @DustinBKerensky97 Před 4 lety +53

    9:10 No name in history screams out "Roddenberry's idea" more than Groppler Zorn.

  • @k.d.henley9242
    @k.d.henley9242 Před 4 lety +58

    But Allison, how can it be the worst pilot of all time when Groppler Zorn is in it?

  • @sobertillnoon
    @sobertillnoon Před 4 lety +164

    "unfortunately clothed son" I get what you mean, but… phrasing.

    • @mastermarkus5307
      @mastermarkus5307 Před 4 lety +28

      Yeah, it took me a moment. My first thought was "whoa, most people don't even LIKE Wesley"!

    • @traviss6564
      @traviss6564 Před 4 lety +4

      Lmfao

    • @kellyweingart3692
      @kellyweingart3692 Před 4 lety +2

      lol

    • @xRaiofSunshine
      @xRaiofSunshine Před 4 lety +1

      0_0

    • @TheMsLourdes
      @TheMsLourdes Před 2 lety +3

      Just goes to show that its not so easy sometimes to get across what you meant to say vs what you said ;) Alison pulled a Picard.... wait.. you know what I mean...

  • @ZoraXire
    @ZoraXire Před 2 lety +7

    "I have personally made William Shatner cry" needs to be a T-shirt so bad

  • @ChristopherMB87
    @ChristopherMB87 Před 4 lety +13

    Everyone so busy talking about Groppler Zorn, they don’t even notice the mention of Captain DeSoto: the Best Boss I Ever Had

  • @montyr2083
    @montyr2083 Před 4 lety +42

    All I have to say is thank Groppler Zorn for Colm Meaney. Just sitting there, thinking about the great fun to be had building ships in bottles, he was the rock that guided us to season three.

  • @Titanic_Trash
    @Titanic_Trash Před 4 lety +165

    Q had to leave the trial bc he was judging the charmed ones in the courtroom next door.

    • @Rebochan
      @Rebochan Před 4 lety +21

      I'm sick of you and your stupid ideas! *zap*

    • @matthewhennessey5967
      @matthewhennessey5967 Před 4 lety +18

      Pretty sure the Charmed ones started the third world war they mentioned in this episode.

    • @DalekTheSupreme
      @DalekTheSupreme Před 4 lety +8

      I am so glad I'm not the only one who made a Charmed joke.

    • @accursedsidor8987
      @accursedsidor8987 Před 4 lety +8

      So Q dropped the ball on both cases, huh?

    • @thegeek4145
      @thegeek4145 Před 4 lety +18

      @@matthewhennessey5967 Well let's be fair, it was most likely the elders, say it with me now,
      "The Elders are Dicks"

  • @garygoldstein6862
    @garygoldstein6862 Před 4 lety +2

    I raise you the pilot of TOS, that was literally deleted until they could work it into the plot

  • @Dovah21
    @Dovah21 Před 4 lety +8

    It took me half the video to realize I was viewing content from the artist formerly known as Obscurus Lupa. Glad you're still around! You were one of the good ones.

  • @1000huzzahs
    @1000huzzahs Před 4 lety +330

    Considering how terrible the pilot was, possibly one of the worst for any series, it's amazing how the series finale is widely regarded as one of the best ever produced. And they tie back into the pilot too.

    • @Rocketboy1313
      @Rocketboy1313 Před 4 lety +19

      That is a reasonable thing to wonder. And I have pondered that in the past. I think it works on the same level as the recent "Crisis on Infinite Earths" event for the DC live action shows. They had cameos from lots of DC franchises, and in so doing they seem to be saying, "This is all DC, we are part of a long legacy of fun and adventure, it may not all be great, but there is an appeal that keeps people coming back." Acknowledging where you came from wistfully is not the same as saying it is great or beyond criticism, but it is still appreciating that it is part of the canon and worth celebrating in that way.
      And let's be clear, the only way "Encounter at Farpoint" or shit like the live action "Birds of Prey" TV show was ever going to get any praise was by saying, "Um... It is certainly part of bigger better thing..."

    • @sandytentaclez1051
      @sandytentaclez1051 Před 4 lety +17

      Yea, but that makes it more evident how pathetic most people are these days that whine about a shows quality after the first 4 episodes.

    • @alanpennie8013
      @alanpennie8013 Před 4 lety +13

      @@sandytentaclez1051
      Back in the good old 1980s nearly all TV was terrible.
      Nowadays we have higher expectations.

    • @johnallen3033
      @johnallen3033 Před 4 lety +22

      I've noticed over the years that Trek writers tend to try to own past mistakes rather than forgetting about them, they use them sometimes to try to seed better stories. Like for example when alternate Tasha Yar was in Yesterday's Enterrise and the pointlessness of original Yar's death is gives a lot of emotional weight to that story. Also the importance of the events of the maligned Nemesis in Picard, personally I like Nemesis despite its flaws but its not just forgotten about because mistakes were made. There's something about taking bad story decisions and trying to turn them around into something good which seems unique to Star Trek. Or maybe that's just me.

    • @alanpennie8013
      @alanpennie8013 Před 4 lety +2

      @@johnallen3033
      Good point!

  • @kiruppert
    @kiruppert Před 4 lety +50

    I was disappointed to find out that Gene Roddenberry's middle name was Zorn. It kinda just lays bare the fact that Grobbler Zorn was only as awesome as he was because he was Gene's self-insert character.

  • @orionthomas967
    @orionthomas967 Před 4 lety +20

    With Star Trek TNG being my first ever exposure to Star Trek anything I found this video very funny because I had a lot of the same thoughts. I'm about 10 episodes in and I'm telling myself "everyone says it gets better, just hold on...that's what Groppler Zorn would want."

  • @Concreteowl
    @Concreteowl Před 4 lety +66

    The Jelly Fish were Star Trek’s first openly gay characters.

  • @MyMagnificentOctopus
    @MyMagnificentOctopus Před 4 lety +56

    John "Damn I Want to be Named Groppler Zorn" Cort

  • @thecrimsonghostakathefiend7508

    My favorite part is when you said Gropler Zorn.

  • @ShinGallon
    @ShinGallon Před 2 lety +16

    My favorite thing about Groppler Zorn was that he was played by Michael Bell, who voiced several characters on the G1 Transformers cartoon so when he talked I could imagine Sideswipe saying his lines.
    I haven't watched Farpoint in forever, but man it seems to be not as good as I remember it. I'm glad TNG got better later, those first 2 seasons are rough.

    • @Tareltonlives
      @Tareltonlives Před 2 lety +4

      Groppler Zorn would be a great Transformers name

  • @SavageGreywolf
    @SavageGreywolf Před 2 lety +13

    it's actually a testament to the series writers that they made Q into such a great character after how dumb his intro episode was. I guess using him sparingly helped with that.

  • @Farlas816
    @Farlas816 Před 4 lety +185

    Having guys in skirt uniforms is still kinda cool though

  • @ChristopherSisk
    @ChristopherSisk Před 4 lety +21

    How dare you Zorn such a beloved episode! Have you no Groppler? May Groppler Zorn himself smite you! All hail Groppler Zorn!

  • @gotisc
    @gotisc Před 2 lety +9

    That scene in Trials and Tribble-ations where Groppler Zorn meets his past TOS self was very heartworming.

  • @swagromancer
    @swagromancer Před 3 lety +14

    I have been watching Star Trek all my life, one of my first conscious memories is watching TOS with my dad, I have spent an embarrassing amount of money on every technical manual and official blueprint released, not to mention the armada of plastic spaceships I've constructed over the years. So don't take it lightly when I say that this channel has the best Star Trek reviews on all of CZcams.

  • @TheSomewareMan
    @TheSomewareMan Před 4 lety +41

    Giant jumbo jellyfish?!

  • @obnoxiouspriest
    @obnoxiouspriest Před 4 lety +23

    Glory to Groppler Alison for this lovingly merciless retrospective! I experienced many warm feelings between bouts of laughter.

  • @aadams1006
    @aadams1006 Před 3 lety +57

    In retrospect this is incredibly silly.
    But watching it for the first time as a kid, it was great.
    The introduction of an android character? An empath? A klingon? Great stuff.
    We loved the set design. It was so eighties.
    Who wouldn't want to live in a technological pastel paradise where anything you want can be replicated?
    Who didn't want a holodeck of their own? You'd never leave!
    Even the furnishings looked so gosh darn comfortable.
    It wasn't the storyline or the acting or the dialogue. it was the ideas.

  • @HollywoodNeu
    @HollywoodNeu Před 4 lety +9

    I was laughing so damn hard at the Grappler Zorn speech that I had to pause between giggles and yell at my screen "ALLISON!"
    This is some great stuff

  • @ArdisMeade
    @ArdisMeade Před 4 lety +11

    "I made William Shatner cry" Why is this in the part where you confess your supposed crimes and not the highlight of your defense?

  • @toastlover
    @toastlover Před 4 lety +16

    Can't believe the missed the opportunity to call it Star Trek Nights. I mean, Riker did play the trombone and the holodeck was a jazz bar now and then

  • @traviss6564
    @traviss6564 Před 4 lety +9

    I can't wait for the premiere of Star Trek: Groppler Zorn on CBS All Access ®

  • @kinorai
    @kinorai Před 4 lety +6

    I live by the Groppler Zorn way of living. I offer apples to everyone, even if there are no apples.
    Groppler Zorn is love.
    Groppler Zorn is life.

  • @TheChristianaut
    @TheChristianaut Před 4 lety +11

    Takes me back to my favorite moment of the Voyager pilot:
    "Very well. Since no one seems to care for Zorn, we'll have to proceed ahead of schedule!"

  • @spikeghost666
    @spikeghost666 Před 4 lety +15

    honestly i kinda love that Picard had such a short fuse in the first two seasons of the show.
    It's part of why i loved his interactions with Dr Pulaski in season 2. She had a similar personality and it made them clash

  • @YMasterS
    @YMasterS Před 4 lety +9

    Allison, this was comedic genius. I'd love for the whole show to have been able to have your comedy edit done like this was.

  • @jimkirk4357
    @jimkirk4357 Před 2 lety +20

    OMG, I adore the loving send up of Star Trek by a fan who knows it SO well. Pointing out the Gropplerness of the Zorn was absolute genius and made me laugh like 35 years worth of pent up silliness! Thank you for this young lady!

  • @SpiderDijon2
    @SpiderDijon2 Před 4 lety +13

    I'm watching this with my headphones in. When Groppler Zorn was on screen my girlfriend leaned over and observed "He looks like Dio".

  • @MyMagnificentOctopus
    @MyMagnificentOctopus Před 4 lety +83

    Wait a minute, doesn't Groppler Zorn look a lot like the imaginary guy O'Brien killed on DS9 in one of those "O'Brien must suffer" episodes?

    • @nekolalia3389
      @nekolalia3389 Před 4 lety +13

      I think we just figured out how his PTSD was patched up in time for the next week's episode.

    • @r0bw00d
      @r0bw00d Před 4 lety +11

      Nah, he looks more like Dr. Soong.

    • @MyMagnificentOctopus
      @MyMagnificentOctopus Před 4 lety +10

      @@r0bw00d Kind of strange how many old guys with long wild hair inhabit the Star Trek universe.

    • @rjonboy7608
      @rjonboy7608 Před 4 lety +3

      Yeah. I don't remember the title (and I'm too lazy to look it up 😋) but o'Brien gets mindf¥>#ed by aliens who implant memories of decades of cruel hard labor camp as punishment.
      O'Brien goes home physically one day older but remembering 30 years pressed to the brink of survival. The Groppler-looking guy implanted in his false memories is real. Much mayhem ensues. Lives are enriched. Cultures grow. Eventually "Smiley" is de-Zorned.

    • @damenwhelan3236
      @damenwhelan3236 Před 4 lety

      The first two comments on this are woefully under appreciated.

  • @Tareltonlives
    @Tareltonlives Před 3 lety +2

    I hope the next time there's a Trek convention, there will be a Groppler Zorn cosplayer mob.

  • @FrenkMelk
    @FrenkMelk Před 2 lety +5

    That whole diatribe about Groppler Zorn was a salve unto my nostalgia. I was 12 years old when that episode debuted and I always thought that was the most preposterously wonderful name. Throughout my life in the 80s 90s and then 2000s I would often think back on that old man and wonder if anybody else held that name in similar reverence. Cheers to you!

  • @kingdave31
    @kingdave31 Před 4 lety +11

    I love how TNG gives us a clip show of itself halfway into the pilot. Most crappy 80s shows would wait for a couple seasons before doing that.

    • @boobah5643
      @boobah5643 Před rokem +1

      Most shows actually budget for two hours of show when they make a two hour pilot, too.

  • @GoatHeadWalletProdt
    @GoatHeadWalletProdt Před 4 lety +50

    To be fair, while the pilot is a huge mess one of my favorite scenes is when we see “Bones” and Data talk. It was a nice cameo and a way for TOS to basically “give their blessings” to the next generation and that interaction between Bones and Data was honestly very heart warming.
    But that’s just my opinion of course

    • @alanpennie8013
      @alanpennie8013 Před 4 lety +16

      I think the scene established Data as a fan favourite from the very beginning of the show.

    • @piotrd.4850
      @piotrd.4850 Před 2 lety +4

      Note, that each TNG series provided send off to next. TNG did it to DS9, DS9 to VOY.

    • @piotrd.4850
      @piotrd.4850 Před 2 lety +3

      Old Bones and New Spock. There was also great dialogue between Data and Spock later on.

  • @knightsonofjack
    @knightsonofjack Před 3 lety +2

    Well you know what they say, "IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD GETTIN FROM THERE TO HERE!"

  • @wastelanddv8062
    @wastelanddv8062 Před rokem +6

    You just inadvertently pointed out another plot whole.
    Q told humans they were too war like.
    But did he say anything to the Klingons? Or the Romulons? Both arguably more war like then we ever war.

  • @Davethe3rd
    @Davethe3rd Před 4 lety +55

    And why is Groppler Zorn so awesome? Because he's played by Michael Bell!
    Yes, a prominent voice actor from the 80s through to today!
    Most of you know him as Duke from GI Joe!!

    • @zoppie
      @zoppie Před 4 lety +5

      He was unforgettable as Craig Robinson in the Lost in Space cartoon pilot.
      "The stars look the same...but they're different. We must be...LOST IN SPACE!!

    • @DalekTheSupreme
      @DalekTheSupreme Před 4 lety +1

      I remember him as Sideswipe, Prowl, and at least one of the Constructicons in Transformers.

    • @eamonndeane587
      @eamonndeane587 Před 4 lety +7

      I know him best as Raziel in the Legacy of Kain series.

    • @marshallhuffer4713
      @marshallhuffer4713 Před 4 lety +3

      I know him as Chas Finster in Rugrats.

    • @zazaranger5
      @zazaranger5 Před 4 lety +3

      Don't forget, Lance on Voltron, and Zan the Wonder Twin in the old Superfriends cartoons back in the '70's and 80's

  • @JanetDax
    @JanetDax Před 4 lety +8

    "A feeling of great joy", said no one after watching this. - priceless

  • @VolkXue
    @VolkXue Před 4 lety +5

    the bridge looked like a early 90s apartment.. Too much beige

  • @JoeNovax
    @JoeNovax Před 3 lety +11

    I remember waiting one Christmas for a Groppler Zorn action figure I begged my parents for. Sure I got a super nintendo and a new bike but I was sad cause I didn't see any more presents, but then my dad came home from Toys R Us and had the figure, he went to 4 stores cause they were all sold out. Later I went to my rich friend's house that had the Bandi Administration office playset and even though it was a re-purpose of the Ewok Endor forrest playset we had a blast. Man those were good days.

  • @Djinsin
    @Djinsin Před 4 lety +20

    Groppler Zorn was the only character that made Trek worth watching. Groppler Zorn is the ending argument to why Star Trek is better than Star Wars. Groppler Zorn is less a character and more an experience. Groppler Zorn is pronounced "forty-two" in the language of that computer from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. The reason that Q judges humanity is because one of its member dared to think he was worthy to have an audience with Groppler Zorn

  • @OptimumBuster
    @OptimumBuster Před 4 lety +22

    Thanks to you, I will never forget the name Groppler Zorn.
    Fun fact he was played by Michael Bell who is a prolific voice actor and was the voice of Duke on G.I. Joe and Drew Pickles on Rugrats.

    • @eamonndeane587
      @eamonndeane587 Před 2 lety +1

      I know Michael Bell best as Raziel in The Legacy of Kain series.

    • @TheMsLourdes
      @TheMsLourdes Před 2 lety

      That's Why his voice has been messing with my brain for years! Subtle enough difference in tonality not to give it away as Groppler Zorn but enough to make you go .. hangon....
      Flippin Duke!

    • @bri55118
      @bri55118 Před 2 lety

      Also zan of the wonder twins, and several transformers.

  • @phdtobe
    @phdtobe Před 4 lety +4

    I read the Patrick Stewart didn’t unpack his suitcase until Season 2.

  • @DAv2003
    @DAv2003 Před 4 lety +35

    I'm ten minutes in and the words 'Groppler Zorn' have lost all meaning. Really funny look into the episode and its many flaws. Good work with the video.

  • @Matrim42
    @Matrim42 Před 4 lety +48

    No joke, in my life I’ve seen a non-zero number of Groppler Zorn cosplays. They existed.

    • @SwiftNimblefoot
      @SwiftNimblefoot Před 4 lety +16

      That is a staggering revelation

    • @Blox117
      @Blox117 Před 4 lety

      what did you just say about my mother??

  • @shawncat
    @shawncat Před 4 lety +7

    "Picard in later seasons - diplomatic genius. Picard in Encounter at Farpoint? Too dumb to live!"
    That line made me spit up my coffee - your delivery sold it :)

  • @quidestveritas659
    @quidestveritas659 Před 4 lety +6

    It's entirely down to Riker's beard; no beard = crappy season, when beard comes, show gets good.

    • @aleksandarmarkovic221
      @aleksandarmarkovic221 Před 4 lety +1

      Season 2 is still bad

    • @marshallhuffer4713
      @marshallhuffer4713 Před 2 lety

      Riker's beard actually coined the phrase "Growing the Beard" and became the exact opposite of Jumping the Shark where a bad show becomes good.

  • @marinerstribble
    @marinerstribble Před 4 lety +13

    I was there... I watched in horror as this atrocity of an episode hit the airwaves for the first time. Had it not been for Groppler Zorn, i would've given up on the series entirely.

  • @lloroshastar6347
    @lloroshastar6347 Před 4 lety +90

    One of the things I've always resented about TNG is how they treated Troi's character. I wouldn't say she was underwritten necessarily but she wasn't given much to go on and her role on the bridge kinda became redundant. The big thing they really missed out on though is the tremendous resource they had in Marina Sirtis, who as you can see in interviews is fucking hilarious. You can make a good well rounded character that is also funny and not reduce them to the 'comic relief', I've seen it done many times. Just a lot of wasted potential with Troi.

    • @drdreel5559
      @drdreel5559 Před 3 lety +18

      The problem with that character is that if she did what she was designed to do every episode would be over in three minutes because she'd know what everyone was thinking. So they turned her, as Sirtis herself has put it, into decoration, like a potted plant.

    • @jacksmith3148
      @jacksmith3148 Před 2 lety +28

      You can see her chops in episodes like Fistful of Datas where she plays second fiddle to Worf and absolutely kills it. She's hilarious, fun, and refreshingly she feels a lot more valuable than usual. It's a genuine tragedy that most Troi plots involve her getting into bed with a strange man who turns out to, gasp, not be who he seems he is!
      Luckily the rest are Lxwana episodes which are absolute treats and Deanna bounces off her mother fantastically. It's easy to see Troi's best features when she's standing next to Lxwana.

    • @marshallhuffer4713
      @marshallhuffer4713 Před 2 lety +9

      Here's a Fun Fact: Marina Sirtis originally auditioned to play Tasha Yar, while Denise Crosby read for Deanna Troi. However, Gene Roddenberry decided to have the two ladies cast as each other's character.

    • @curator_z
      @curator_z Před 2 lety +11

      Not gonna lie, I really wish they'd stuck to the original casting. Funny Tasha would have been kick-ass, and I feel like Crosby-Troi would have been far more serious, and would have bounced off of Lxwana marvelously!

    • @peterlane1391
      @peterlane1391 Před 2 lety +18

      Um...so when Geordi had his first command, and the captain and crew were in grave danger, Troi advised him, teaching him how to calm, motivate, and inspire his crew. She explained the history of negotiations with a xenophobic race to Picard and showed him how to argue successfully. She advised the captain on various occasions concerning the people he was talking to, detecting their lies, attempts to cover things up, etc. She sensed lifeforms from as far away as a high orbit, even when the ship's sensors couldn't. She helps keep order on the ship when the Borg kidnap Picard. She's placed in command. She detects intruders. She does significant work with Alexander. Troi is written as a deceptively brilliant character. Because an empath with her background in negotiation and psychology would be intimidating, she softens her voice, stays out of uniform, appears jovial. Under that surface, though, she's highly insightful. In Code of Honor, when Tasha accepts a battle with Lutan's wife, Troi tricks her into admitting she enjoys being admired in order to force her to consider whether that or the mission at hand is driving her decision. After Picard's kidnapping by the Borg, she tries to get him to consider whether his sudden desire to run home is fueled by a desire to escape rather than confront the trauma. Troi does so much in the series, but most people just dismiss it.

  • @Junkotherstuff
    @Junkotherstuff Před 4 lety +66

    Good review, except that you didn't mention anything about Groppler Zorn.

  • @gils9236
    @gils9236 Před 4 lety +7

    You are the Groppler Zorn of Trek reviewers..

  • @avahenson4565
    @avahenson4565 Před 10 měsíci +3

    I love that “humanity”is on trial and Q chooses like two humans, a half-betazoid and an android.

    • @alionfish5
      @alionfish5 Před 9 měsíci

      You could make the argument that Data was created by humanity and can count as part of it , but even then it's really a strench

  • @MsAlexisPiazza
    @MsAlexisPiazza Před 4 lety +27

    The pilot did give me the impression that Groppler Zorn would have a far larger role in the series than what we saw.
    I hope we see him in “Picard”

    • @Gasoline85
      @Gasoline85 Před 2 lety +3

      Who knows..? In an alternate universe perhaps the ferengi are the main villains, and Groppler Zorn a lead character in Star Trek. 🤞

    • @Eckendenker
      @Eckendenker Před 2 lety +1

      Same with the "Caretaker"

  • @Rebochan
    @Rebochan Před 4 lety +120

    Why would *anyone* give you crap for not liking this? Encounter at Farpoint is absolutely notorious for being literally one of the worst episodes of TNG.
    Anyway thanks for making me laugh my butt off, this is probably the most entertaining way to watch the TNG pilot.

    • @mspeter97
      @mspeter97 Před 4 lety +11

      When friends ask me what they should watch when it comes to TNG I always tell them to skip this episode is they didn't want to skip S1 entirely.

    • @mastermarkus5307
      @mastermarkus5307 Před 4 lety +7

      @@mspeter97 The only problem with skipping the season is that you miss out on some information that comes back later. Like, I started with season 3 since everyone derided the first 2 but then I had no idea who Tasha Yar was or why anyone would be sad that she was dead, so I had to backtrack a bit anyway.

    • @doubtsalmon
      @doubtsalmon Před 4 lety

      Bullshit.

    • @madcourier6217
      @madcourier6217 Před 4 lety +9

      While it's definitely terrible, saying it's the worst episode ever is a little hyperbolic. Especially when you consider episodes like "The Child" and "Shades of Gray" exist.

    • @Rebochan
      @Rebochan Před 4 lety +4

      MadCourier 6 I didn’t say it was *the* worst just *one of* the worst. It’s a bad pilot of a show that had two very difficult seasons before coming into its own and becoming a *great* show. Anyway there’s even worst episodes of TNG but it’s tough that it’s first one is so bad. It feels like if it wasn’t a Trek show and it wasn’t running in a safer market full of established fans, episodes like this would have killed it before it had a chance to grow.

  • @buzzinbea
    @buzzinbea Před rokem +2

    "Groppler Zorn was the most popular baby name from 1987 to 1994" and the rest of the Groppler Zorn rant wasthe funniest shit I've everheard

  • @telefluxarph
    @telefluxarph Před 2 lety +3

    You make some good points, but the whole Q putting humanity on trial thing is awesome... also his outfit!

  • @chavesa5
    @chavesa5 Před 4 lety +17

    1. Didn't recognize Cary Tagawa and I am deeply ashamed.
    2. Flapdoodle is probably the most accurate dscriptor of EoF I've seen. Every so often I'll see someone say "Watched EoF today man what a great episode" and you're just like, not allowed to point out the Flapdoodle. And it hurts.

  • @SwiftNimblefoot
    @SwiftNimblefoot Před 4 lety +25

    I'd so love if it was revealed the Elders were really the Q continuum and Q was always so angry at humans because most of his experiences of humans were with the Charmed Ones. :)

    • @accursedsidor8987
      @accursedsidor8987 Před 4 lety +8

      Given the time difference in which the shows are set, there is no reason for that to not be true. Until specifically addressed, Charmed and Star Trek are now in the same universe, to me anyway. :)

    • @jamesmc04
      @jamesmc04 Před 4 lety

      Swift Nimblefoot The Squire of Gothos is Q/an Elder. Obviously.

    • @michaeldriggers7681
      @michaeldriggers7681 Před 4 lety +1

      I can't handle that crossover! That is like knowing that Wayne's world and Terminator are kind of in the same universe.

    • @jamesmc04
      @jamesmc04 Před 4 lety

      Michael Driggers A Predator/Charmed/TNG/Harry Potter crossover is badly needed, w/ Hermione Granger & Deanna Troi against a Predator and the Source.

  • @freakishuproar1168
    @freakishuproar1168 Před 2 lety +1

    _"Twenty years into the episode, and Picard FINALLY reaches Farpoint Station..."_
    x3

  • @DissociatedWomenIncorporated

    From O’Brien’s memory altered perspective: “You want me to be part of… a saucer separation battle drill? But Sir if you don’t mind my asking, why would the Enterprise even _need_ a battle… _ohhhhhhh_ there’s some corned beef hash and whisky in it for me? Well why didn’t you say!”