STAM & AUDIOSCAPE - SSL COMP COMPARISON.
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- čas přidán 13. 09. 2024
- #georgelever #stamaudio #audioscape
Stam Audio SA4000 MKII in comparison to the Audioscape Buss Compressor.
It is always difficult to tell what is changing when listening to gear comparison videos like these.
That is why I am providing the audio files for you to compare in your own time.
Meanwhile, I also share my own thoughts and feelings on the two units.
Which one would you get?
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You are low key one of the funniest people I watch on CZcams. It’s a dry, quirky humor that not everyone get but I think it’s hilarious.😂
Definitely just clicked cause it’s you and you’re a cool dude
You're too kind :)
Same. I come to Hworge videos for witty humor and just general sound nerding. I know what none of this means in depth haha.
GREAT comparison, George!! Love your authenticity and genuine, positive vibes attitude!! Thanks so much for taking the time to do this!!
Let’s do it!
AudioScape has class!
@@geoffreymerrifield5666 you're the best!! Thank you Geoffrey! 🙏🙌❤
Wonderful comparison and great details in the second half! I'd been hoping you'd make a video like this after seeing the Audioscape on your IG :)
Thanks Dalton!
Great to see new content from you George! I like your quite original style of "reviewing"/talking about the products ;)
Thanks buddy! Glad you dig it :) I think it makes for better watching rather than some dragged out computer screen capture.
Listened on my K&H O300 speakers and it is clear to me that the Stam has a slightly tighter bass as well, more controlled. The whole sound of the Stam is more controlled, in balance.
Would love to get my hands on a stam audio one (preferably with the neve mod), but seems impossible.
I definitely only would choose it for the transformer option 😂
The stam sounds a bit fatter and the audioscape sounds a lil thinner. I prefer the character of the stam in this case. Seems there is a thickness in the lower end in the stam that adds low end girth but the audioscape sounds very silky.
I received my SA4000 MKIII last month after waiting 8 months. You can switch between the E series and G series style comps with the MKIII. I got the Fairchild MOD. I really love it. I was all in the box before this purchase and I feel it's an upgrade to the way I worked before (although, I still love the Softube Bus Processor). Changed my work flow a bit but, it's ok.
This is a great comparison. Thank you for doing it. I'm going to try to get a Stam I have the AS.
The difference in sound is similar to the Alan Smart C1 and C2. The C1 being fatter/darker and the C2 tighter and brighter.
Both very useable.
The Audioscape guys are a pleasure to deal with,.
I bought a V-comp (Sta-level) from them and had it shipped to Australia. Only took 7 days.
Great pair of eyeglasses. What are they?
i thought both units sounded great, i added a 1.5 db boost to the SA files and they sounded almost identical. A lil push like you mentioned over the high end on the AS. What i did notice was that the SA did something to the 100 to 300 area that was cool, barely noticeable tho. like, made it super compact and more musical? wtf do i know lol I'd be happy with any!
I find (for me) the largest difference is to be had when you mix through units like this. Even with the compressor initially bypassed. That’s when I start getting more noticeable differences.
Stam takes about one year to ship your order, audio scape takes less than 14 days typically.
Stam will take your deposit and over promise delivery for at least six to eight months....fact.
Audio scape business model is honest and straightforward. I own gear from both company's....I prefer audiscape for quality and support and they are honest....just my opinion. Peace
Yeah. People saying they been waiting 2 years for their stam?! Seems like a great product but they should really figure something out. Jesus christ. The company + customers are crazy for waiting that long.
I was waiting for the STAM one for longer than the said period. Emails were rarely responded to. In the end I had to go public in order to get the refund, and that's after the PP fee. Seriously avoid the company as much as one can.
@@98mxmx ordered in 2018 now 2022 still waiting lol
Yeah, fck Stam.
I have not had that experience. I have a Stam SSL Bus Comp clone and SA-76-5 (1176 clone). No wait lag and great gear. I believe Stam has done a lot to resolve past lag time issues.
I think the difference between the two is that the Stam is giving more this "glue" effect, and I find it colors the signal in a very pleasant way compared to the Audioscape. Also, the great harmonic richness that it gives is really appreciated in this mostly-digital world 😎
You got it! In recent experiments I’ve been playing around with pushing the mixes with a LOT more top end into the stam and it just reigns it back in - very musical and ‘happy’ sounding.
great video I've been waiting for over 2 years for josh to finish my stam compressor..
Same here. 2 years and counting for mine as well. Hopefully it's worth the long wait.
@@jas8012 I’ve heard it’s all worth the wait. Hence why I never cxld the order. They received my final payment yesterday and promised it’d be out in 20 days. Let’s hope! 2 years and 4 months. Never waited that long for anything
@@OneironautOfficial Well that's good to hear. I was payed in full back in October 2018. Also never waited this long for anything. I have put my album on hold because I want to use this gear. It's crazy to me when I realize that I could have bought a couple of decent units for the price I payed for one of the Stam. I'm sure you feel my frustration.
@@jas8012 almost identical story on my end. I run a studio and have wanted an 1176 in my arsenal for a while. I’ve always heard they’re worth the wait. Let’s hope that we get em soon brother!
@@OneironautOfficial Thanks good luck to you as well. Crazy how it seems like this whole ordeal makes me feel comforted in knowing someone else is going through the same thing as bad as it sounds.
Can't hear a difference through my earbuds 👍👍👍 they both s q u a s h nicely
big squish
"EARBALL" new phrase haha
I'll much appreciate if you could add the dry unprocessed file in it as well as.
I had them both and kept the Stam. Both solid gear.
Great comparison dude. I've been between these and the Warm audio version. Also- good to see you, hope all is well.
Thanks Dave! Just getting back into the swing. Hard to film studio stuff when it’s closed haha!
#buyitoncebuyitright mwhahahaha - can't beat USA-Made, small batch hancrafted awesomeness!! Thanks for the support Dave!!
@@AudioScapeEngineeringCo I'm very interested, i'll send you an email!
@@davealcan audioscape lol same price, why not??
Ive been really eyeballing the Audioscape. Its nice cause Im also in Florida so it makes it easy. However the one thing that is grabbing my attention from the warm Audio is the External sidechain and the added transformer option. Since both are the same price Im not sure if I would rather have the added features of the WA or the USA quality of the Audioscape. I am very much torn.
i have products from both companies, they're both quality companies. If you live in the US, I'd highly recommend audioscape, because Chris is amazing. He will go above & beyond to make each and every person that orders from him happy with their purchase. Josh is also a great guy, but being in Chili, well, he's in Chili, enough said. It can take a while to get stuff from Stam, but I hear that that's improving. I need to order some more preamps from Stam now, can't get those from Audioscape.
What you have from audioscape? I fee their stuff is good but is a bit transparent and the stams tend to have a bit more saturation and added tone.
I like the sound of the stam 76. But being in the us I’d prefer the shipping and quickness to get the audioscape products. I heard their v comp is great and la2a is good aswell. But from the videos Iv seen they seem a tiny bit too transparent for me idk if it’s the settings people use or what but I almost would like their products maybe slightly altered to add a lil extra harmonic distortion, even if that means it won’t be as exact of a replica , I like the idea of high quality with a lil extra thickness and tone .
Unfortunately I have not heard great things with stam, but I feel their units have a nice character but I also won’t wait months or a year for anything
@@heythere6983 2 LA2A's, meq -5, bus comp. All i have from Stam is his dual 1073, & I love it.
You can now. Scape dropped their Neve 500's today, but I haven't tried one obviously.
Still waiting for my Stam SA4000 mkii neve ordered it in August 2018 now 2022 definitely waiting a while indeed
The Stam is over double the price
Hello, what version of the Stam compressor is it? American, british or not modification? Thanks.
what was the song demo'd here?
So this Stam Comp is their mk2 version? IM curious if the DBX clone VCA’s are what’s causing these subtle tonal variations.
Correct. I own the MKii version.
It’s pretty fair to assume it comes down to the difference in VCA’s initially. I also did a video on the Stam when I got it.
@@GeorgeLeverG1 It makes sense that the VCA's would be part of the reason for the differences in tone between the units. Personally I am a Huge AudioScape fan, I have not had a chance to use any Stam Gear, but apart from their production and wait times the general consensus is Stam makes great gear. Both of these units sounded very nice IMHO
@@shane2973 - Correct, Stam does make great gear. If you're happy to wait or can grab it 2nd hand. I think its a no brainer.
The frequency response chart looks as if the Audioscape is a bit more neutral whereas the Stam has somewhat of a scoop. Curious why you feel the Stam was the neutral one. Thanks for the solid comparison!
Ignoring the charts and simply listening to the examples shows everything (for me at least)
Enjoyed x
Audioscape all the way!!!
Really good review... I would use "I had to eardrum it" instead of earball... 😂
Pass on both unless the availability issues of the Stam are addressed and the bouncy needle on the AudioScape is also. Seeing the needle move fast is the reason why SSL bus comp works so well for metal. The meter simply has to be right. Otherwise, I’d want to use waves so I can get accurate visual feedback
Use the waves and get 0 realness & vibe nor a good gluing effect..sounds like a plan 🤦🏾♂️
What's wrong with using your ears
@@hottrakz I got the AudioScape. Nothing is wrong with using your ears, but it is disorienting seeing the needle move at a different rate - but those meters in general will never be able to work at the actual speed of compression. I actually like one LED light better..
I like stam over competitors when it comes to sound quality but i read besides the delay, there is some quality control issue with manufacturing like unit malfunctioms. I started looking at others even they i like their sound clones close to original. I hope they get it together cause the units do sound great
AudioScape seems it can't handle sub (bad distortion) as Stam can, I am tripping ? 6:42 stam vs 6:51 audioscape
I think Im not tripping It seems a lot if Im right
this should say gyraf built by stam vs gyraf built by audioscape
I don't get it. Could you elaborate please?
Wish the Audioscape had the adjust High pass. Kind of a big deal.
Which version apogee did you have?
Thunderbolt Ensemble :)
@@GeorgeLeverG1 thanks for the reply mate, what made you change to the focusrite? I've not actually used the new one myself(ensemble) but I'd assume ited be a better sounding A/D D/A (Im a symphony user myself) I'm curious to know what your thoughts are becuase I like your insight :)
@@maba5219 the Focusrite Red line (when in a shootout against the ensemble) just sounded more neutral to me. Also the support offered by focusrite directly has been so useful. Couldn’t fault the help the pros there have offered me. Felt very considered and valued.
@@GeorgeLeverG1 fair enough, thanks for the insight appreciated
I’m having a problem with my Audio Scape Buss Comp, I’m running it through channel 7-8 on my Focusrite Cherett pre8 into Protools . When using a insert I hear nothing , when I take the insert off I hear the compression. So wierd, never happen to me before.
Audioscape has a wider sound stage.
I agree for sure, it made the sides pop.
Ha. Earball
Very weird Stam has an audio scape bus comp when he claims he makes a superior product w/ SA4000+ & mk2 w/ the recreated DBX 202 VCA. I just left this comment on another vid that my SA4000 mk1 wasn’t something that wowed me. Seemed to have more audible compression than the GR meter showed. Def was buil well except all the knobs were different lengths and tightness.
Audioscape seemed to choke some of the low end like the original SA4000 did for me with rap music. Well tbh most SSL style bus combo can’t handle heavy 40Hz & under.
I def hear the AS thinning the low end on the kick drum lows, the impact was off. Dam makes me wonder if I should just stay ITB. Or maybe fork up the $$$$ for the Dramastic Obsidian / Alan Smart / SSL GFX384..
I would need a demo or rent one of the high end units to hear what it does in my studio on my Barefoot Sound. It would have to be magical for $3k -$4k USD
I would say it’s pretty typical for companies to have units by competitors if they’re running comparisons for sound, QC etc etc - wouldn’t look into it much further than that honestly (my 2 cents) :)
Sheesh man such limited actual audio from either unit. Let the audience actually hear it
Stam Audio SA4000 MKII sounds as if it is designed to use blend knob. regarding the brightness of the sound.
I love stam audio and the one api style preamp of theirs tho I just ordered and slightly preferred an IGS S Type comp over even Stams newer 500 series SSL comp tho I bet the one with the tube is sweet.
And the audiofiles?
Link is in the description.
To my ears the Audio Scape sounds more open
That could be down to it having less harmonic distortion? :)
could have wrote a short opinion and more audio on the tube, it gets a yawn
too much talk ....no sound