Great video on a "modern" deuce rig. I use my old '91 issue for camping and bushcraft because it's just more COMFORTABLE than a rucksack & carries the same amount of gear. We had the LC-2 "H" suspender/harness with the "J" hooks which perfectly carries a second 3 day/training buttpack over the one on the belt. A couple of months ago I replaced the belt buttpack with the British gas mask bag, and switched the two bulky 1 qt canteens with four GI Aviator 1pint (half quart) canteen flasks
British gas mask bags are top notch kit I really like using them as an adjunct to a pack because you can snap the strap around it and buckle it into place and take it off easily once you get where you need to go-it’s great for fishing, for example, or just as a “possibles” bag
I've been putting together a grab-n-go vest (not a plate carrier) and mounted one of the packs up high, on the rear. There is enough space for a smaller pouch below flanked by two canteen carriers. It's a 5.11 vest. Zippers up the front with three buckles. Molle everywhere.
I have the same basic buttpack made by someone else (I think Eagle). It's a great item. Mine kicks the functionality up a notch or two, with a couple of extra compartments for small things. Love it for the size. Love it for being essentially the same as an ALICE pack in smaller form.
I am kinda doing the same thing but with a 5.11 vest. I have a similar butt pack, but placed it higher up, which leaves room below it for a smaller pouch or a sleeping bag/blanket roll. Flanked by two canteens. For ammo pouches, trying to determine which rifle(s) I want to configure it for. Ammo pouches can be almost universal or at least useable with different platforms.
Not a big fan of the first gen Alice belt.. When they upgraded the buckle I was like he'll yeah ! The 2nd gen with black snap buckle the way to go if your a bigger guy. You can snap in extenders. Up till then I would always go back to the m56 belt. The dang buckles on first gen Alice belts like to open up on you in a belly crawl.. Anyways good video. I'm old school guy when it comes to home bug out equipment. Got a set of m56/67/Alice weight bearing equipment for each member of the family and med. Alice pack. The kids call it dad's ready room or dads apocalypse room. Everything is a in ready to go order if needed. That old stuff is extremely cheap to outfit a family 9 ... But your right there are better rigs out there but I wouldn't be able to afford to out fit the family. The 5 kids that moved out all been offered to take there equipment with them but so far they like the idea of coming to Dads in a time of crisis. That may change once they start a family. It's always funny to see them bring a bf or gf over for the first time and give them a run down of what to do. I may be nuts but I know my family is set if need be. Poor man security. Glad I found your videos.. Going to subscribe.
The dump pouch can be used because camelbacks are used now holding significantly more water than 2 canteens. Also consider marines fight in buildings and can even be expected to fight in Tunnel systems under cities where support cannot be provided easily if at all
Have you considered lowering the dump pouch slightly? It still works, holding light weight empty mags, etc., it doesn't bother the hump. I used two Claymore bags sewed back to back for a similar duty; just one strap (still have the last one). Good kit. Still watching.
Yeah....Dump pouches are for retention so you can do a "speed reload" where you retain your magizine and not a "combat reload" where you intentionally drop your magizine. Its more CQB/AUC/MOUT than some long distance stuff, so it does make sense....in 2nd FAST we used to use our cargo pockets and Im certain so did others before us, so his comment about putting your mags back doesnt compute. The drop pouch is an extra cargo pocket All hes doing is updating 782 gear (Deuce Gear)
I have a fox recon pack that is exactly like that tactical tailor buttpack, i would like to find a better harness, im using an older H harness and i dont like how wide and thick the straps are, they interfere with my arms when i try to reach to the sides, i might have to just buy buckles and webbing and make my own, i do like the butt pack setup for going through the really thick brush, i have messed up knees and having the pack down on my waist makes it easier to duck down under low branches and bushes so i dont have to bend my knees the way a higher backpack would.
Dump pouches are for retention so you can do a "speed reload" where you retain your magizine and not a "combat reload" where you intentionally drop your magizine. Its more CQB/AUC/MOUT than some long distance stuff, so it does make sense....in 2nd FAST we used to use our cargo pockets and Im certain so did others before us, so his comment about putting your mags back doesnt compute. The drop pouch is an extra cargo pocket
i dont disagree with your justification of the dump pouch in a cqb role. but this video exercise is a modernization of the old 782 gear which was designed to be an all around land warfare rig. to take up valuable belt real-estate for a dump pouch...when you do have two perfectly good cargo pockets...seems like not the best choice.
I'm really into this concept. Except if I set this up I may only have two of those three magazine pouches so there's more room for a second canteen pouch as well as an individual first aid kit. Great video nonetheless.
Dump pouches are for retention so you can do a "speed reload" where you retain your magizine and not a "combat reload" where you intentionally drop your magizine. Its more CQB/AUC/MOUT than some long distance stuff, so it does make sense....in 2nd FAST we used to use our cargo pockets and Im certain so did others before us, so his comment about putting your mags back doesnt compute. The drop pouch is an extra cargo pocket All hes doing is updating 782 gear (Deuce Gear)
@@mimungseveritas6752 I like mine a lot. The grenade pouches are the perfect size for those life boat ration cookies, or two Glock 17 mags. The flare pockets will hold a Glock field knife and even Glock stick mag.
How comfortable is this? Think it’d do good to carry some 240 7.62 belts in? Or do you feel like it would pull you back seeing as it sits so low on the back
you can always adjust it to ride higher. but i think if you distribute the weight it would work. i will tell you what i did when i was an M60 gunner back last century. i carried ammo cans on an alice pack frame. not a bad way to go.
Are we telepathically linked or something? I'd just ordered the TT Buttpack after finding it on eBay, and thought I'd use it as a small assault pack, hopefully in a modular/quick detach manner so that I could quickly trade it (or perhaps the whole upper part of my DF-LCS) for my Alice frame and pack... I'd been moving towards copying the m-1967 USMC knapsack and Buttpack combo (their newer experimental version of their old 1941 model gear... Newer in 67, anyway) with an lc2 belt, H-harness with rearward clips to attach pack, etc. After finding the USAF vest/harness, and watching one of your videos on its utility, I'm in the process of jettisoning LC-2, dumping Alice for Molly, so to speak... And I'm sitting on tenterhooks waiting for my friggin TT Buttpack now so I can see how well it works with everything, and where it'll ride, since I also ordered a second sustainment pouch for the "assault pack" ...
@@renaissancemarinetv3536 certainly, if I ever do settle on one idea! LOL I'm still eyeballing everything so far, got the buttpack and have been trying it in different spots, about to look at adding some MOLLE ii ruck straps to it to see what that looks like... Will definitely upload something when my spastic brain settles to one idea!
I’d save ALL potentially effective gear. If for nothing else to dispense as charity. There’s a particular segment of our society who tend to fall into “let’s sort through and get rid of everything!” My parents are doing it now. Zero pause to consider that we face both economic and food supply collapse. (written on March 8, 2023)
Yeah, its me again. Lol, uh you and I think a lot alike, because that is exactly what I"am doing right now. identical. Well kind of. " Semper Fi!" brotherman. Great video as always.
I kinda think that the idea of a dump pouch got popular after troops started using heavy armor and chest rigs to carry everything. With the 30 lb vest pushing down on the belt they wanted a very low profile battle belt that wouldn't bind and dig. So the idea of a big pocket that can appear and then disappear seemed better in that context.
Dump pouches are for retention so you can do a "speed reload" where you retain your magizine and not a "combat reload" where you intentionally drop your magizine. Its more CQB/AUC/MOUT than some long distance stuff, so it does make sense....in 2nd FAST we used to use our cargo pockets and Im certain so did others before us, so his comment about putting your mags back doesnt compute. The drop pouch is an extra cargo pocket All hes doing in his setup is updating 782 gear (Deuce Gear)
revert back to the H harness and dropping the flak jacket and keep the mags where he has them, which is all good, is one step off from the Vietcong style AK mag sling around their lower torso, its light and mobile unlike think knight in armor crazieness the military has now
you could certainly go that way but the possibility of balance and weight distribution is alot easier if the equipment is relatively equal on both hemispheres. water is so heavy that it can really overbalance.
@@renaissancemarinetv3536 where is it made? What better way to deal with those rifles behind every blade of grass than to provide cheap web gear that lights up like an IR Christmas tree? OK, I'm joking...maaaaybe. 😇
I'm going back to Alice cause I'm no longer a War fighter but want a all in one set up and the cost of molle stuff is crazy cause of the airsoft and wanna be war fighter range guys hell I don't even run a AR anymore and I can't get a real 249 but if shtf and when we get invaded by coyotes on the farm I wanna have enough shells on me to least put up a fight The modern gear is awesome just not 100s of dollars awesome
A dump pouch came into being because of all the urban fighting in Iraq. Where you were going through house to house so fast that resupply would be on the go in whatever building you would have secured. So keeping your mags handy is paramount. In conventional fighting it is to hold a spare MRE or gummy bears.
We just used our cargo pocket before Iraq and during. Dump pouches are for retention so you can do a "speed reload" where you retain your magizine and not a "combat reload" where you intentionally drop your magizine. Its more CQB/AUC/MOUT than some long distance stuff, so it does make sense....in 2nd FAST we used to use our cargo pockets and Im certain so did others before us, so his comment about putting your mags back doesnt compute. The drop pouch is an extra cargo pocket All hes doing in his setup is updating 782 gear (Deuce Gear) A Dump Pouch was not authorized for use on military gear, it was part of the 782 gear and it wasnt part of the later stuff when I left in 2008.
the belt is condor. the inner belt is two USAF web belts. the h harness and the butt pack was tactical tailor, the mag pouches were blackhawk and truspec. the dumppouch was some weird off brand
glad you asked. i ended up taking two of the three outer pockets off. it was just too big and yes, it tended to flop. i think i have it to a managable bulk now. of course i tend to keep lighter bulkier items in it. thanks for asking.
You can still order the buttpack from tactical tailor. Please do the review. How does wearing a duck work with that buttpack. Seems to stick up kinda high.
i dont know that i will get around to that but i will tell you i think they made a mistake by not putting D rings on the top of the tactical tailor butt pack so that you could hook the H harness to it like the old buttpack.
@@renaissancemarinetv3536 They have D rings on the old Ass Packs, you need them to pull up the weight when its heavy enough or it will start hurting your back, hike 6 miles with it full of ammo.
The first time I have heard a proper description of a dump pouch.
Nice setup. One Tigris now makes improved baby alice pack
Great video on a "modern" deuce rig. I use my old '91 issue for camping and bushcraft because it's just more COMFORTABLE than a rucksack & carries the same amount of gear. We had the LC-2 "H" suspender/harness with the "J" hooks which perfectly carries a second 3 day/training buttpack over the one on the belt. A couple of months ago I replaced the belt buttpack with the British gas mask bag, and switched the two bulky 1 qt canteens with four GI Aviator 1pint (half quart) canteen flasks
British gas mask bags are top notch kit
I really like using them as an adjunct to a pack because you can snap the strap around it and buckle it into place and take it off easily once you get where you need to go-it’s great for fishing, for example, or just as a “possibles” bag
I've been putting together a grab-n-go vest (not a plate carrier) and mounted one of the packs up high, on the rear. There is enough space for a smaller pouch below flanked by two canteen carriers. It's a 5.11 vest. Zippers up the front with three buckles. Molle everywhere.
I have the same basic buttpack made by someone else (I think Eagle). It's a great item. Mine kicks the functionality up a notch or two, with a couple of extra compartments for small things. Love it for the size. Love it for being essentially the same as an ALICE pack in smaller form.
I am kinda doing the same thing but with a 5.11 vest. I have a similar butt pack, but placed it higher up, which leaves room below it for a smaller pouch or a sleeping bag/blanket roll. Flanked by two canteens. For ammo pouches, trying to determine which rifle(s) I want to configure it for. Ammo pouches can be almost universal or at least useable with different platforms.
Not a big fan of the first gen Alice belt.. When they upgraded the buckle I was like he'll yeah ! The 2nd gen with black snap buckle the way to go if your a bigger guy. You can snap in extenders. Up till then I would always go back to the m56 belt. The dang buckles on first gen Alice belts like to open up on you in a belly crawl..
Anyways good video. I'm old school guy when it comes to home bug out equipment. Got a set of m56/67/Alice weight bearing equipment for each member of the family and med. Alice pack. The kids call it dad's ready room or dads apocalypse room. Everything is a in ready to go order if needed. That old stuff is extremely cheap to outfit a family 9 ... But your right there are better rigs out there but I wouldn't be able to afford to out fit the family.
The 5 kids that moved out all been offered to take there equipment with them but so far they like the idea of coming to Dads in a time of crisis. That may change once they start a family.
It's always funny to see them bring a bf or gf over for the first time and give them a run down of what to do.
I may be nuts but I know my family is set if need be. Poor man security.
Glad I found your videos.. Going to subscribe.
Great video brother but i would also add. A multi. Tool. Radio. A light with extra battries other than that awsome
My gear: Condor battle belt, LC2 inner, rangerized. Condor H harness. 2× molle2 canteen pouch. 2× 1qt bottles. 2× G.I. cups, 1 stove/ stand. SpecOps S.O.B.+ SpecOps dry cell. 2× G.I. molle M4 pouch. 2× G.I. molle grenade pouch. The butt pack is mounted via LC/ Molle adapters.
i would like to see that. do a video!
Video?
Like it. Water can go on or in buttpack. Dump pouch has a place. Luv that Tac Tailor BP
Great info
Good video!!
13 o'clock?! WTF? Is that some kinda Army term? LOL. Great video.
Thanks for the memories. OOH RAH
The dump pouch can be used because camelbacks are used now holding significantly more water than 2 canteens. Also consider marines fight in buildings and can even be expected to fight in Tunnel systems under cities where support cannot be provided easily if at all
Fox outdoors makes a buttpack like that- I reviewed it, and like it a lot.
Have you considered lowering the dump pouch slightly? It still works, holding light weight empty mags, etc., it doesn't bother the hump. I used two Claymore bags sewed back to back for a similar duty; just one strap (still have the last one). Good kit. Still watching.
Yeah....Dump pouches are for retention so you can do a "speed reload" where you retain your magizine and not a "combat reload" where you intentionally drop your magizine. Its more CQB/AUC/MOUT than some long distance stuff, so it does make sense....in 2nd FAST we used to use our cargo pockets and Im certain so did others before us, so his comment about putting your mags back doesnt compute. The drop pouch is an extra cargo pocket
All hes doing is updating 782 gear (Deuce Gear)
excellent
I have a fox recon pack that is exactly like that tactical tailor buttpack, i would like to find a better harness, im using an older H harness and i dont like how wide and thick the straps are, they interfere with my arms when i try to reach to the sides, i might have to just buy buckles and webbing and make my own, i do like the butt pack setup for going through the really thick brush, i have messed up knees and having the pack down on my waist makes it easier to duck down under low branches and bushes so i dont have to bend my knees the way a higher backpack would.
If you have to use a dump pouch your really in some deep shit
i dont disagree with that statement, in general. i think they are more accurately considered to be forage pouches.
Dump pouches are for retention so you can do a "speed reload" where you retain your magizine and not a "combat reload" where you intentionally drop your magizine. Its more CQB/AUC/MOUT than some long distance stuff, so it does make sense....in 2nd FAST we used to use our cargo pockets and Im certain so did others before us, so his comment about putting your mags back doesnt compute. The drop pouch is an extra cargo pocket
i dont disagree with your justification of the dump pouch in a cqb role. but this video exercise is a modernization of the old 782 gear which was designed to be an all around land warfare rig. to take up valuable belt real-estate for a dump pouch...when you do have two perfectly good cargo pockets...seems like not the best choice.
I'm really into this concept. Except if I set this up I may only have two of those three magazine pouches so there's more room for a second canteen pouch as well as an individual first aid kit. Great video nonetheless.
Dump pouches are for retention so you can do a "speed reload" where you retain your magizine and not a "combat reload" where you intentionally drop your magizine. Its more CQB/AUC/MOUT than some long distance stuff, so it does make sense....in 2nd FAST we used to use our cargo pockets and Im certain so did others before us, so his comment about putting your mags back doesnt compute. The drop pouch is an extra cargo pocket
All hes doing is updating 782 gear (Deuce Gear)
You should check out the SSO Smersh kit. I think it’s a good belt harness set up.
Many thanks for this hint on this treasure
@@mimungseveritas6752 I like mine a lot. The grenade pouches are the perfect size for those life boat ration cookies, or two Glock 17 mags. The flare pockets will hold a Glock field knife and even Glock stick mag.
@@swalker157 I have orderd the "molle" PKM Version. I hope it will soon arrive.
Yeah definitely looks revant for a modern fight.
How comfortable is this? Think it’d do good to carry some 240 7.62 belts in? Or do you feel like it would pull you back seeing as it sits so low on the back
you can always adjust it to ride higher. but i think if you distribute the weight it would work. i will tell you what i did when i was an M60 gunner back last century. i carried ammo cans on an alice pack frame. not a bad way to go.
just wondering what H harness, you used.
Great kit man, what brand are the bellt and suspenders?
Looks like condor
Are we telepathically linked or something?
I'd just ordered the TT Buttpack after finding it on eBay, and thought I'd use it as a small assault pack, hopefully in a modular/quick detach manner so that I could quickly trade it (or perhaps the whole upper part of my DF-LCS) for my Alice frame and pack...
I'd been moving towards copying the m-1967 USMC knapsack and Buttpack combo (their newer experimental version of their old 1941 model gear... Newer in 67, anyway) with an lc2 belt, H-harness with rearward clips to attach pack, etc.
After finding the USAF vest/harness, and watching one of your videos on its utility, I'm in the process of jettisoning LC-2, dumping Alice for Molly, so to speak... And I'm sitting on tenterhooks waiting for my friggin TT Buttpack now so I can see how well it works with everything, and where it'll ride, since I also ordered a second sustainment pouch for the "assault pack" ...
that sounds really interesting. will you put up a video when you get it to show your process?
@@renaissancemarinetv3536 certainly, if I ever do settle on one idea! LOL
I'm still eyeballing everything so far, got the buttpack and have been trying it in different spots, about to look at adding some MOLLE ii ruck straps to it to see what that looks like... Will definitely upload something when my spastic brain settles to one idea!
Ok well now I get to spend more money on gear lol. My wife is gonna hate me.
Place the pack up higher, as a back pack and you could mount a 2nd canteen on the belt.
Cool
Long shot here, but can you tell me exactly what that Tactical Tailor harness is called? Is it the Fite-Lite X?
sorry. i meant "1982 ".
Not bad
I’d save ALL potentially effective gear. If for nothing else to dispense as charity. There’s a particular segment of our society who tend to fall into “let’s sort through and get rid of everything!” My parents are doing it now. Zero pause to consider that we face both economic and food supply collapse. (written on March 8, 2023)
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Yeah, its me again. Lol, uh you and I think a lot alike, because that is exactly what I"am doing right now. identical. Well kind of. " Semper Fi!" brotherman. Great video as always.
I kinda think that the idea of a dump pouch got popular after troops started using heavy armor and chest rigs to carry everything.
With the 30 lb vest pushing down on the belt they wanted a very low profile battle belt that wouldn't bind and dig. So the idea of a big pocket that can appear and then disappear seemed better in that context.
Dump pouches are for retention so you can do a "speed reload" where you retain your magizine and not a "combat reload" where you intentionally drop your magizine. Its more CQB/AUC/MOUT than some long distance stuff, so it does make sense....in 2nd FAST we used to use our cargo pockets and Im certain so did others before us, so his comment about putting your mags back doesnt compute. The drop pouch is an extra cargo pocket
All hes doing in his setup is updating 782 gear (Deuce Gear)
revert back to the H harness and dropping the flak jacket and keep the mags where he has them, which is all good, is one step off from the Vietcong style AK mag sling around their lower torso, its light and mobile unlike think knight in armor crazieness the military has now
Would this be good enough for bushcraft?
if you carry enough to make it worthwhile i think it would
Why not put two triple mag pouches on your support hand side with the two canteen pouches on the other side?
you could certainly go that way but the possibility of balance and weight distribution is alot easier if the equipment is relatively equal on both hemispheres. water is so heavy that it can really overbalance.
Make that 6 faithful subscribers.
no plan and no gear set up survives first contact
Condor is sturdy gear but it GLOWS under night vision
that is interesting. wonder why?
@@renaissancemarinetv3536 Not bashing, good loadout. I have the same belt and H harness, only reason I chimed in.
@@renaissancemarinetv3536 where is it made? What better way to deal with those rifles behind every blade of grass than to provide cheap web gear that lights up like an IR Christmas tree? OK, I'm joking...maaaaybe. 😇
when did dump pouches first appear ? they did'nt have those when we joined back in 19822.
They came about during Iraq, and all of the urban fighting going on.
It's a GWOT, post-2000 thing. Didn't have them when I was in 1989-1993 either.
Thanks guys. I didn't know that. Of course, another stupid question. Isn't that what the side pockets on the Cammie bottoms are for?
also.......whats GWOT? sorry, im old.
@@victormanuelsantiago198 military acronym for Global War On Terror
I'm going back to Alice cause I'm no longer a War fighter but want a all in one set up and the cost of molle stuff is crazy cause of the airsoft and wanna be war fighter range guys hell I don't even run a AR anymore and I can't get a real 249 but if shtf and when we get invaded by coyotes on the farm I wanna have enough shells on me to least put up a fight
The modern gear is awesome just not 100s of dollars awesome
alice gear is still good gear. where in texas are you?
@@renaissancemarinetv3536 paradise a no name town North of Fort worth area
@@renaissancemarinetv3536 I was telling my wife how I can look at a cateeen and taste that nasty after taste it had no matter how you cleaned it
We’re did you get these items from
here and there. surplus stores mostly
Hey are those old deuce gear Vietnam?
no that is pretty current stuff
Renaissance MarineTV heck
No IFAQ or even a single TQ?
as i said i would put my IFAQ in the buttpack.
@@renaissancemarinetv3536 oh, my bad. That's a beast of an asspack, eh?
@@renaissancemarinetv3536 not exactly quick access to the ifak
Condor makes it
A dump pouch came into being because of all the urban fighting in Iraq. Where you were going through house to house so fast that resupply would be on the go in whatever building you would have secured. So keeping your mags handy is paramount. In conventional fighting it is to hold a spare MRE or gummy bears.
thats a lot of gummy bears
@@lincolndexter9514 You ever see a hungry Marine?
We just used our cargo pocket before Iraq and during.
Dump pouches are for retention so you can do a "speed reload" where you retain your magizine and not a "combat reload" where you intentionally drop your magizine. Its more CQB/AUC/MOUT than some long distance stuff, so it does make sense....in 2nd FAST we used to use our cargo pockets and Im certain so did others before us, so his comment about putting your mags back doesnt compute. The drop pouch is an extra cargo pocket
All hes doing in his setup is updating 782 gear (Deuce Gear)
A Dump Pouch was not authorized for use on military gear, it was part of the 782 gear and it wasnt part of the later stuff when I left in 2008.
Is that stuff Rothco or Condor maybe Ncstar!?!?
the belt is condor. the inner belt is two USAF web belts. the h harness and the butt pack was tactical tailor, the mag pouches were blackhawk and truspec. the dumppouch was some weird off brand
@@renaissancemarinetv3536 I kinda knew that battle belt was Condor but the rest idk...
@@HannibalsSurplusReviews i buy everything surplus. it very much depends on what is being put into drmo at the local air force and army base.
@@renaissancemarinetv3536 interesting
How does that large buttpack ride? Does it flop around a lot. I have a similar one, hence my question.
glad you asked. i ended up taking two of the three outer pockets off. it was just too big and yes, it tended to flop. i think i have it to a managable bulk now. of course i tend to keep lighter bulkier items in it. thanks for asking.
@@renaissancemarinetv3536 Thanks for replying!
You can still order the buttpack from tactical tailor. Please do the review. How does wearing a duck work with that buttpack. Seems to stick up kinda high.
i dont know that i will get around to that but i will tell you i think they made a mistake by not putting D rings on the top of the tactical tailor butt pack so that you could hook the H harness to it like the old buttpack.
Thanks for the heads up. I’m going to prefer one see if I cant get the d rings added to.
@@renaissancemarinetv3536
They have D rings on the old Ass Packs, you need them to pull up the weight when its heavy enough or it will start hurting your back, hike 6 miles with it full of ammo.