Peter Capaldi, during his run as the Doctor, really wanted to do an episode where the Doctor would find Susan, but it never happened, for whatever reason. He did, however, have her picture on his desk at the university in series 10, along with River's. So at least it showed that he hadn't forgotten Susan and still missed her. 😢
You can see how much William Hartnell loved Carol Ann Ford in this scene. They were close friends in real life, so he's only half acting here. He knew this was her last episode, so he was savouring what little time they had left together.
As much as we all remember Susan's emotions and The Doctor's goodbye speech, the most defining moment for me was when Ian & Barbara were looking at The Doctor and without saying anything, they all knew it was time to leave Susan behind.
@@arthurvasey ikr 😂 although to be fair, it looks like regenerating between genders is pretty normal for time Lord's. I think the real question would be "why the f*** did you wait so long to visit me?"
In the audio he’s already met up with Susan in the series, which I have listened to hundreds of times. Plus she has her own adventures during the time war. (Big Finish Productions)
The thing that nobody realized is that Susan was left on Earth so she couldn't of died from the timewar which is probably why Earth is the Doctor's favourite planet because he's still searching for her.
She probably was recalled to Galifrey to fight in the time war as the doctor stated in Gridlock before he saved Galifrey he mention that all of his family and friends were dead
It was revealed in "All Hands On Deck" one of the Big Finish audio dramas that Susan went to Gallifrey to help fight in the Time War. I do believe the Big Finish dramas are considered canon.
Im rewatching all the CW and this made me cry man. Hartnell was so wonderful as the Doctor tbh. All the nuances of an old man and a child, he embodied them-- this is also why Capaldi is my favorite New Who Doctor. He is like a revamped version of Hartnell. I wish they'd tie up the River/Doctor era and reveal to us that Bill is indeed the Doctor and River and Susan's descendant. 😢
And now we see why he has such a fondness for female companions. Not for some perverted, physical attraction. But because he's chasing that moment he told Susan goodbye. He longs for his granddaughter's company, and I think he still questions himself as to if he made the right choice. The stuff with Rose and River were complete surprises to him, I'm sure. SO NOT what he's about. Lol
I like both old and new Who (every Doctor has some good stories, IMO), but I'm not a great fan of the need to put the Doctor in an actual relationship with his (or her) companions. I don't hate it, but I preferred the way the old doctor never even seemed to consider romance. It added a slightly sad aspect to the character, as if he could experience some emotional attachment, but could only watch as his companions formed relationships that were more than just friendship.. That said, I've also heard that the reason that they made Susan the Doctor's granddaughter was because they wanted a pretty young woman to attract the male audience, but thought it would look a little inappropriate if she was just a random teenager living in a box with an old man.
I agree. One big problem with the modern attempt to artificially introduce a romantic Doctor/companion "love interest" situation into some Nu-Who stories in recent years, is that such an approach violates the implied role that companions traditionally had in Doctor Who -- namely, they served as a sort of "stand-in" for the viewer, trying to relate to & understand the Doctor's motives and actions. That role, or "function", if you will, is mostly lost whenever any hint of a romance comes into play. I remember an interview with Jon Pertwee, in which he explained that the Doctor has an "avuncular" ["uncle - like"] kind of relationship with each of his assistants/companions....and that's a spot-on description (at least in my view). Thanks.
@@michaellaplant8659 Seeing Ace again made me realize how much I've missed the Doctor having a teenage companion to mentor and prepare for the adult world after they leave.
this scene gets me every time I watch it :'$ - one of the best Doctor Who goodbyes - it's more pertinent because William Hartnell didn't want Carole Ann Ford to leave Doctor Who - so glad they gave the time to write and screen a proper goodbye instead of rushing it - some other Doctor Who companions who left were never given for a proper goodbye. Tegan's goodbye was very brief - Dodo didn't even get a chance to say goodbye - wish we were told more info though on the companions who left - love the Sarah Jane adventures "Death of the Doctor" because at the end, Sarah Jane mentions a few of them and what they went on to do....
In the audio he’s already met up with Susan in the series, which I have listened to hundreds of times. Plus she has her own adventures during the time war. (Big Finish Productions) Susan’s war is by far my favorite story with Susan and the Doctor!
I'd love it if Susan was the timeless child instead of the doctor. Would give this yearning for a time and place meaning considering what she has gone through, even unknowingly in the past.
8th doctor big finish audio plays will tell you all you need to know about what happened susan . start with an earthly child then realative dimensions and end with to the death/lucie miller .... and since the night of the doctor red button special with 8th doctor mcann in which he mentions lucie miller ... all those audios are now cannon .... more or less
+Rachel -Not-Again- Armamus We do. Both the book "Legacy of the Daleks" and the Big Finish audio drama "An Earthly Child" offer follow-ups, both of which are equally plausible though An Earthly Child is more likely to be canon as Big Finish is pretty much considered canon.
Would be good if Carol Ann Ford returned as Susan and address if Susan can also regenerate too. Good if Carol Ann Ford could play her again before she passes on.
In the audio he’s already met up with Susan in the series, which I have listened to hundreds of times. Plus she has her own adventures during the time war.
Classic Doctor Who...love it. Still it makes you wonder if Susan and David made it. If so, do they have kids? If they did, it means The Doctor is not alone. He has family. Some have suggested that Clara might be his Great Granddaughter. I don't know about that but I would love to know if he has family....a family he doesn't know about.
In the audio he’s already met up with Susan (and her family) in the series, which I have listened to hundreds of times. Plus she has her own adventures during the time war. (Big Finish Productions)
"Her unbridled happiness is clearly available for everyone to see" - From "The Doctor Who Years - The 60's". Definitely the saddest departure in the shows history. It rivals the departures of Katarina, Sara K, Adric, Sarah - Jane, Tegan, Amy/Rory & Peri
Clara couldn't possibly be Susan's daughter or granddaughter. Susan was left on Earth in 2146, Clara lives in the 21st century, a hundred years before any of this happened, it doesn't add up! >
I have a question. Susan is a Time lord (lady, whatever), right? So why in the early seasons of the rebooted series does the Doctor keep saying he is the last of the Time Lords, when the period he left Susan in is not time locked and he can still visit her? Also, I wonder if Susan can regenerate…
Does doctor have an direct descendants though Susan if she has another one after alex death or alex got girl pregnant before he died because he was 17 years old when he died?
Question, what happened to the TARDIS key after Susan and David walked away? Who has the key now and do they know what they have? I suppose it's like the time lord blood sample that was sitting in Grace's house, never mentioned again. Hmm...put the two together and you've got yourself a story?
She picked it up. It’s all explained in the audio series “Lucie Miller”. And In the audio he’s already met up with Susan in the series, which I have listened to hundreds of times. Plus she has her own adventures during the time war. (Big Finish Productions)
Susan could have lived a full life with David and then regenerated and rejoined her Grandfather or built a new Tardis herself and gone looking for the doctor only to eventually become Clara Oswald.
This is disgusting. He leaves his granddaughter with one shoe in the company of a Scotsman who needs a shave.. Meanwhile, Ian and Barbara sneak into the Tardis, because they haven't got the guts to say goodbye to Susan. Then the doctor talks some gibberish because somebody's clobbered him over the head and he promises to come back some day. Yeah. I have a granddaughter, but I wouldn't treat her like that.
Here's a nasty thought - at the Doctor's first trial in the War Games the Time Lord Tribunal couldn't care less about Susan, her whereabouts or her welfare.
Peter Capaldi, during his run as the Doctor, really wanted to do an episode where the Doctor would find Susan, but it never happened, for whatever reason. He did, however, have her picture on his desk at the university in series 10, along with River's. So at least it showed that he hadn't forgotten Susan and still missed her. 😢
Yeah, except he preferred to remember her as a teenager and not the adult he saw in The Five Doctors.
You can see how much William Hartnell loved Carol Ann Ford in this scene. They were close friends in real life, so he's only half acting here. He knew this was her last episode, so he was savouring what little time they had left together.
As much as we all remember Susan's emotions and The Doctor's goodbye speech, the most defining moment for me was when Ian & Barbara were looking at The Doctor and without saying anything, they all knew it was time to leave Susan behind.
I wanna see Susan meet the modern doctor....
Me too
What would she make of “him” as “he” is now - a woman?
“Grandf... Grandmother?”.
@@arthurvasey ikr 😂 although to be fair, it looks like regenerating between genders is pretty normal for time Lord's. I think the real question would be "why the f*** did you wait so long to visit me?"
In the audio he’s already met up with Susan in the series, which I have listened to hundreds of times. Plus she has her own adventures during the time war. (Big Finish Productions)
She met 5 in The Five Doctors. but it would be nice to see her again (and Chesterton...even for 5 minutes)
I love the music when David comforts Susan during the end ❤
Same
Same
been trying to find it for years. I wanna maybe remake it one day
This scene could not have been played any better. I love it and Susan is one of my favorite companions ever.
Same
The thing that nobody realized is that Susan was left on Earth so she couldn't of died from the timewar which is probably why Earth is the Doctor's favourite planet because he's still searching for her.
+Wholock is amazing It's possible Susan is alive and she could regenerate.
She probably was recalled to Galifrey to fight in the time war as the doctor stated in Gridlock before he saved Galifrey he mention that all of his family and friends were dead
Gallifrey burns no more.
There was no timewar at that time
It was revealed in "All Hands On Deck" one of the Big Finish audio dramas that Susan went to Gallifrey to help fight in the Time War. I do believe the Big Finish dramas are considered canon.
Im rewatching all the CW and this made me cry man. Hartnell was so wonderful as the Doctor tbh. All the nuances of an old man and a child, he embodied them-- this is also why Capaldi is my favorite New Who Doctor. He is like a revamped version of Hartnell. I wish they'd tie up the River/Doctor era and reveal to us that Bill is indeed the Doctor and River and Susan's descendant. 😢
And now we see why he has such a fondness for female companions. Not for some perverted, physical attraction. But because he's chasing that moment he told Susan goodbye. He longs for his granddaughter's company, and I think he still questions himself as to if he made the right choice. The stuff with Rose and River were complete surprises to him, I'm sure. SO NOT what he's about. Lol
I like both old and new Who (every Doctor has some good stories, IMO), but I'm not a great fan of the need to put the Doctor in an actual relationship with his (or her) companions. I don't hate it, but I preferred the way the old doctor never even seemed to consider romance. It added a slightly sad aspect to the character, as if he could experience some emotional attachment, but could only watch as his companions formed relationships that were more than just friendship..
That said, I've also heard that the reason that they made Susan the Doctor's granddaughter was because they wanted a pretty young woman to attract the male audience, but thought it would look a little inappropriate if she was just a random teenager living in a box with an old man.
Misses the mentoring relationship he had with his granddaughter.
I agree. One big problem with the modern attempt to artificially introduce a romantic Doctor/companion "love interest" situation into some Nu-Who stories in recent years, is that such an approach violates the implied role that companions traditionally had in Doctor Who -- namely, they served as a sort of "stand-in" for the viewer, trying to relate to & understand the Doctor's motives and actions. That role, or "function", if you will, is mostly lost whenever any hint of a romance comes into play. I remember an interview with Jon Pertwee, in which he explained that the Doctor has an "avuncular" ["uncle - like"] kind of relationship with each of his assistants/companions....and that's a spot-on description (at least in my view). Thanks.
@@michaellaplant8659 Seeing Ace again made me realize how much I've missed the Doctor having a teenage companion to mentor and prepare for the adult world after they leave.
@@BrandonVout Absolutely. I agree with that sentiment completely ! 👍❣️
I still hope that Carol Ann Ford will return to the tardis in the new series. Russell T Davis are you listening ❤
5:55 One of the saddest moments in Doctor Who history.
I agree
@@stephaniefaypage8028 It's sad The Doctor decided to abandon Susan on Earth but he wanted Susan to start her own life on Earth with David.
The first of many 😢
Amen still brings a tear to the eye
@@davemills2822 The background music is so depressing.
this scene gets me every time I watch it :'$ - one of the best Doctor Who goodbyes - it's more pertinent because William Hartnell didn't want Carole Ann Ford to leave Doctor Who - so glad they gave the time to write and screen a proper goodbye instead of rushing it - some other Doctor Who companions who left were never given for a proper goodbye. Tegan's goodbye was very brief - Dodo didn't even get a chance to say goodbye - wish we were told more info though on the companions who left - love the Sarah Jane adventures "Death of the Doctor" because at the end, Sarah Jane mentions a few of them and what they went on to do....
Same
I am still sad that Leela never got a proper goodbye like this. Really rushed to throw her out of the cast.
The first departure is always the hardest!
I’ve watched from an unearthly child up to this point. It really has an impact on you
Poor doc, always driving the tardis with the emergency brakes on so it made that grinding noise.
The first goodbye is always the hardest. Carole wanted to leave as she wasn't allowed to develop her character
In the audio he’s already met up with Susan in the series, which I have listened to hundreds of times. Plus she has her own adventures during the time war. (Big Finish Productions) Susan’s war is by far my favorite story with Susan and the Doctor!
Hartnell is just perfect
Love her as a companion
Same
I'd love it if Susan was the timeless child instead of the doctor. Would give this yearning for a time and place meaning considering what she has gone through, even unknowingly in the past.
5:15-5:33. GREATEST line ever written
So sad… that feeling of losing somebody
8th doctor big finish audio plays will tell you all you need to know about what happened susan . start with an earthly child then realative dimensions and end with to the death/lucie miller
.... and since the night of the doctor red button special with 8th doctor mcann in which he mentions lucie miller ... all those audios are now cannon .... more or less
oh i wish we knew what happens to susan after this
+Rachel -Not-Again- Armamus We do. Both the book "Legacy of the Daleks" and the Big Finish audio drama "An Earthly Child" offer follow-ups, both of which are equally plausible though An Earthly Child is more likely to be canon as Big Finish is pretty much considered canon.
Would be good if Carol Ann Ford returned as Susan and address if Susan can also regenerate too. Good if Carol Ann Ford could play her again before she passes on.
In the audio he’s already met up with Susan in the series, which I have listened to hundreds of times. Plus she has her own adventures during the time war.
Sad that Susan's actor is the last of the original cast alive now.
doctor should go back for susan one day
Classic Doctor Who...love it. Still it makes you wonder if Susan and David made it. If so, do they have kids? If they did, it means The Doctor is not alone. He has family. Some have suggested that Clara might be his Great Granddaughter. I don't know about that but I would love to know if he has family....a family he doesn't know about.
In the audio he’s already met up with Susan (and her family) in the series, which I have listened to hundreds of times. Plus she has her own adventures during the time war. (Big Finish Productions)
She probably outlived David by a considerable margin
what about fixing that shoe
Most likely Susan was the Time Lord (Lady) who interacted with Wilf, in Tennent's last episodes.
C. R. Ryan
It was revealed by Russell T Davis that the woman in those last episodes was actually the doctors mother.
"Her unbridled happiness is clearly available for everyone to see" - From "The Doctor Who Years - The 60's".
Definitely the saddest departure in the shows history. It rivals the departures of Katarina, Sara K, Adric, Sarah - Jane, Tegan, Amy/Rory & Peri
Listen to the 8th Doctor audio. He does have a great-grandson. She could be his Great Great Grand-Daughter
Sniff sniff someone must be cutting onions nearby they get tears watering my eyes
i saw you post something on another video about the doctor lying, and i agree. at least i think it was you
It is forbidden to dump bodies into the River.
....he knew. :(
Susan to return in 60th anniversary
This was a great idea...I always wanted to know how they ditched the Doctor!
and he erased Donna's memory.
Rule number 1 : the doctor lie
Wow
Susan was hot.
She be in doctor series 13 ?
@@stephaniefaypage8028 She quickly appeared in that documentary about the first Doctor. I don't know if they'll call her back.
HAWT! 😍
And Susan is rumored to be coming back in series 9. At the end of the trailer, girl (supposedly Susan) says "What took you so long?"
+MoviesRapidShows90's Well so much for that theory. But I've heard that Capaldi wants Susan to return, so there may still be hope.
7:33 what’s that? I mean is the Tardis’ key, but i dont know...😅
Probably was me. People always seemed to comment something about the 'doctor lying' on every other video, even on irrelvant stuff.
Clara couldn't possibly be Susan's daughter or granddaughter. Susan was left on Earth in 2146, Clara lives in the 21st century, a hundred years before any of this happened, it doesn't add up! >
Ik, it makes no sense sometimes
2150 she was left in 2150
Or the doctor daughter from David the tenth doctor era
I wonder if some viewers at the time had issues with a twenty-something year old guy wanting to marry a fifteen year old.
I'd love to see dove Cameron play Susan if she regenerate?
You have rest of episode?
I have a question. Susan is a Time lord (lady, whatever), right? So why in the early seasons of the rebooted series does the Doctor keep saying he is the last of the Time Lords, when the period he left Susan in is not time locked and he can still visit her? Also, I wonder if Susan can regenerate…
Susan went to the time war
Does doctor have an direct descendants though Susan if she has another one after alex death or alex got girl pregnant before he died because he was 17 years old when he died?
Aghhh!!!!!
Wait, this is william's farewell, not susan's.
She should wear sandals
Question, what happened to the TARDIS key after Susan and David walked away? Who has the key now and do they know what they have? I suppose it's like the time lord blood sample that was sitting in Grace's house, never mentioned again. Hmm...put the two together and you've got yourself a story?
She picked it up. It’s all explained in the audio series “Lucie Miller”. And In the audio he’s already met up with Susan in the series, which I have listened to hundreds of times. Plus she has her own adventures during the time war. (Big Finish Productions)
Susan could have lived a full life with David and then regenerated and rejoined her Grandfather or built a new Tardis herself and gone looking for the doctor only to eventually become Clara Oswald.
She did, and she got a son, and the Eighth Doctor had Christmas with them in an audio adventure, and the dalek's invaded Earth again.
And Tardis's are grown.
but I wonder who was the regenerating girl in the Matt Smith episode?
It was river song
If I'm wrong, you need to be more specific =)
This is disgusting. He leaves his granddaughter with one shoe in the company of a Scotsman who needs a shave.. Meanwhile, Ian and Barbara sneak into the Tardis, because they haven't got the guts to say goodbye to Susan. Then the doctor talks some gibberish because somebody's clobbered him over the head and he promises to come back some day.
Yeah.
I have a granddaughter, but I wouldn't treat her like that.
Here's a nasty thought - at the Doctor's first trial in the War Games the Time Lord Tribunal couldn't care less about Susan, her whereabouts or her welfare.
Claras mum is susan foreman!
Clara could be Susan granddaughter?
if you really care THAT much about a show thats run for 5 decades, I don't think i like the fandom anymore.
Can Susan get pregnant with David babies again?
If so then Leela would have kids too.