Negotiating with Russia is futile - just look at their track record, argues Ukrainian Rachel Haddad
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- čas přidán 4. 03. 2024
- Rachel Haddad, Balliol College speaks in opposition of the motion that This House Believes Ukraine Should Negotiate with Russia to End the War Now.
This is the second speech of six. #debate #debates
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Either you negotiate with Russia or millions more Ukrainians go into the meat grinder. Why isn't she on the front lines?
russians are dying too
@@watupppl3 Russia has 10 times artillary, Air Dominance and therefore Ukrainian casualities are at least 10 time that of Russia and Russia has 6-7 times manpower. Russia is the winning the war of attrition 10-1 against a country which has 6-7 times less manpower. Only reason Russia will agree to negotiation is if Russia loves its young men more than it hates west or Ukraine. If Putin was Hitler, he would never negotiate
Always rich people sitting on the cosy sofa send poorer ones to the meatgrinder... Most of the times only in the interest of military industrial complex. Talking about "morals" - Hypocrites!
Can fully understand her, but emotions wouldn´t bring you anywere...
Her arguments were not convincing. She kept on making the war about morality, whereas the other side was pointing out to practical problems enforcing that morality. Whatever judgements you have about Putin, that doesn't mean you win on the battlefield. In the end, as pointed out by the other side, Russia is currently a war economy whereas Ukraine has no economy in the first place. Its domestic defence industry has been destroyed. It is completely dependent on the West, which has spent 150 Billion $ financing it and yet the chances of succeeding (by which I mean Ukraine completely pushing Russia out of occupied territories) seem reducing every day. It is better to lose 20% of Ukraine than losing 40% in the future. You can keep shouting your morals from the top of the world but that won't make an iota of difference in reality without a practical way of achieving them.
The Russian bots are out in force I see.
On every video lol
ORLY So, I guess you believe Ukraine has not lost yet? Russia achieved what it said it wanted months ago, everything now is about how small Ukraine gets before it capitulates. I still want to know who ordered Boris to stop peace and why? I am sure he will be rewarded for all that blood.
The minute you make a comparison between Putin and Hitler, you have lost already.
Clearly! It shows no real knowledge of the man nor the western propaganda promlugated from '33 by the N.Y. small hats who publically declared war on him and his nation - front page headlines in the UK Express & NY Times!
But we want them to be similar tho
He uses the same tactics. For the same aims.
@@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 Has he prosecuted people based on race, gassed innocent people? How can you be this ignorant yet confident in your ignorance? Its a war just like any other and he even rescued children from war zones into Russia for which the West declared him guilty for kidnapping. Meanwhile Israel is bombing the sh*t out of Gaza and opening fire on civilians in refugee camp and hospital. >80% of the casualties are civilians. Now, that is more closer to Hitlerian tactics. Yet, no words from hypocrite West on Netanyahu, who is an actual war criminal.
How so? Both used same rhetoric for their territorial claims: my people are discriminated on that land, and that land historically belongs to us. When comes to Hitler West sacrifised territory of another country to him, and thought they bought peace. We all know how that all worked out.
The most painful truths are the most valuable ones.
To create an utterly falls picture of your enemy and to base your strategy on that is the fastest route to defeat!
It's bad for country when its scholars start to copy-paste the mass media propaganda instead of thinking a bit independent. Which we see here.
And yet, I don’t see Ukraine with all of the support from the West dislodging Russia from the Donbas or Crimea. Negotiations might just be what saves Ukraine at this point
A.H. petitioned the U.K. for peace no less than 22 times. DYOR
Emotional damage.
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My respect to this young lady. Ukraine is in a difficult position, as it can't win the war by itself, and the West won't be able to support it eternally. The alternative would be sending troops from NATO, and that's not an option.
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Track records? Is that what we want to discuss? Doesn't that put all of the Western powers in rather dire predicaments with regards to explaining away historical reprehensible behaviour?
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It is actually Kiev that is not willing to go for negotiations. Lugansk has been under Kiev's bombardment before the escalation. Ukranian people should put pressure on their government or EU should do that. How do you not know these facts at Oxford? You dont have to respond.
You mean Donbas was infiltrated by RF little green men ?
They know. But they have their talking points from their masters. This is how academoc freedom works nowadays.
It's a actually Kremlin trolls that seem to want to learn us how things are not how reality is. Ruble at work.
@@glebarhangelsky4351 But that is really unbelievable, actually shocking ...
Now, I thought a peace deal was agreed right up to the point Boris Johnson turned up, and then it wasn't? I guess if you offer enough money, anything is possible?
Money from whom and for what? What is a peace deal anyway? If a deal was "agreed" how do you know the West didn't have intelligence that indicated that the Russians were planning to use a peace accord to buy additional time to position more forces prior to launching a spring offensive anyway? In this case the best thing for Ukraine to do was walk away and prepare for war. Any number of possibilities exist outside of your narrow linear viewpoint.
There would not even be a need to offer money, just Western (US/UK) allowance for Zelensky to go to the negotiation table! There was already in March 2022 an almost agreed treaty between Russia an Ukraine, but US/UK refused and sent Zelensky back to the battlefield !
The HUMMUS society!
Its incredibly naive to think Russia's dictator would keep to any agreement. He never has done before.
Did the West and Ukraine follow Minsk agreement? Putin has been consistent in his messaging since 2007 and many geo-political experts were predicting this many years ago. Watch Putin's 2007 speech and John Mearsheimer lecture on Ukraine crisis. He maybe a dictator but he has far higher approval rating than any western leaders according to independent pollsters.
Utter tosh.
@@dpac956 See this is the problem. Russia totally ignored the Minsk agreements. Denied it was doing so. Then blamed everyone else for its failure, so it could invade Ukraine again and annex more territory. The exact same thing would happen to any other agreement with Russia.
@@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 russia is not alone in this game, everyone is lying all the time if it fits the own narrative. That makes it not better then the rest, but also not worse...
@@DanielDingens Thats a pathetic defense of Russian aggression.
The delusions of this young woman will soon meet up with reality.
but she is beautiful no matter what.
Russia met with reality in 2022. It's not the military superpower it believes itself to be.
@@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 Like most people on the internet you are conflating post 1991 Russia with the Communist USSR. Russia intervened in 2022 to prevent further attacks on the Russian ethnic minority in the Donbass and launched what it defined as a "special military operation" in ordeer to stop the slaughter of more than 14,000 civilians killed in those attacks by the Ukraine government. Putin definied it as a "special military operation" as a matter of legaltiy, making it distinct from a declaration of war between sovereign states. Putin hoped that the relatively small expeditionary force sent to Ukraine would warnm the West that Russia has inviolable Red Lines regarding any further expansion of NATO. The West chose to exploit the opportunity afforded them by using Ukraine as a proxy to destroy Russia as a unitary entity and loot its resources. The sanctions the West imposed have harmed the EU and America very deeply, but not Russia. More than half the countries in the world ignored the sanctions on Russia, as did the major economies of India, China and Brazil. Ukraine has lost an entire generatioon of young men. The average age of its sldiers is now 43 and they;re even abducting and conscripting men in their 70's to fight. Also making body armour for pregnant women, which is both absurd and grotesque. The game is over. Russia has tranformed its economy and is out producing the whole of NATO in military equipent and munitions. Ukraine has lost its resource rich Donbass region in Eastern Ukraine, and 90% of the manufacturing which was located there. It will now lose Odessa and will have no further access to the Black Sea. Ukraine and NATO are now confronted by reality, and the peace will not be brokered by America but dictated by Russia.
@@AJ-iu6nw Beauty is subjective. She looks about a "5" to me.
i would give her a 8/10@@richardduplessis1090
When USSR invaded Afganistan - where was Ukraine? Oh! Russians did it :) Conclusion sounds like "I can close my eyes and Russia will disappear"...
Stgruggling under Soviet oppression.... Ups, no, having largest agricaltural and industrial capacity and level of prosperity among all Soviet republics. This is how Soviet-Russian opression was looking for Ukraine. It's fun how they could master to destroy such an inheritance in some 30 years and make themselves poorest country in Europe before any Russian invasions.
A strong debater, good English. This lady could for sure be Ukrainian as many of us have mixed ethnic origins and have every right to be. But her thesis is faulty if voiced by her alone: it is only as strong as strongly and widely frontline soldiers of both sexes on Ukrainian side support it. But these soldiers are framed out of the debate, having privileged few [if in debate] judging on their fate in between gossiping over drinks and running riverside jogs. That is as unfair as it is misinforming.
She left this debate got the first plane to the front lines and now is putting her efforts in to what she believes and if not then she shouldnt advocate others go
If you don't believe in Ukrainian freedom, go join the ruzzian side (using your own position)
Why are you not part of the Russian meat waves, comrade?
@@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 because the army told us we are too white to fight right
@@ChrisMurray-iw9ij How long do you think you can avoid Putin's call to die for the fatherland, comrade?
@@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 the world consists of more than black or white, wrong or right.
Emotional therefore invalid
Boy, you have not done your home work, Russia has bent over backwards to keep this from escalating, had you done your homework with the treaties you would know, all this is your opinion, period..
Either you are a Russian troll or being fed Russian propaganda. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 without any provocation and in violation of all international law. Putin and his Government need to be put on Trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity and subject to the same fate as those at Nuremberg.
@@waikanaebeach Bush said in 2008 one day Ukraine could join NATO. Russia objected. And multiple experts warned him not to, that this is very serious for Russia, we should back off, because Russia would be willing to go to war over it. But the West kept talking about one day Ukraine could join. Even after annexation in 2014, war in 2022, the West still talks about this.
Whether you think Russia was wrong or broke international law, it was pretty clear in 2008, Russia's willing to go all in to prevent a NATO Ukraine and the last 16 years prove this. So you can stick to your moralizing unprovoked stance which is destroying Ukraine. But it doesn't matter. Russia's a UN permanent security council member so the UN will do nothing. And the US, the leader of the West, is not part of the ICC and doesn't recognize any war crimes Russia's committed. So Putin won't end up at the Hague. Surprisingly there's only one UN permanent security council member with clean hands. China. The US, Russia, France, and UK all have Ukrainian blood on their hands.
Russia for years have been trying to avoid it. Putin back in 2008 or 2010, said: “We asked to join NATO, but were refused. Is NATO a military alliance? Yes. Are we welcomed there? No. Is it expanding and moving to our borders? Yes. Why?”
Since than Russia continuously protested the NATO expansion. Russia signed and was honoring Minsk accords, which allowed Ukraine to keep Donetsk and Luhansk, which Ukraine was bombing since 2014, like people there are not Ukraines citizens. Before attacking Russia yet again tried to solve everything diplomatically. And than after the attack, again. Almost had everything signed, but Boris said “keep fighting”.
US wanted this war, provoked it and gas done nothing to stop it and everything to keep it going, while at the same time under supplying Ukraine with weapons. This was never about Ukraine winning this war. This about weakening Russia, measuring their capacity, capturing Ukraine economically and destroying it, and driving a wedge between EU and Russia, lowering their competitive advantage over US, keeping US a dominant force. US now supplying the energy to EU. 5:31 That’s pretty much it.
Added bonus of the profits of the US military industrial complex, factories and businesses moving from EU to US. Also, China having reduced Demand for their goods due to crisis in EU.
All of that at the costs of hundreds of thousands of lives of Ukrainians and country lost.
You can keep bulshiting about it, just like about Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Russia meddling in 2016 election, COVID. The truth will come out. That’s why I like USA. The competing establishment ensures that truth always comes out.
terrorist state?? did not she read the ICS rulling?
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