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Nice review! However please include the max AC charging and max DC charging speed for all EVs. With 22kw AC chargers available in Europe, it would be nice to have that as a feature.
I'm always impressed when presenters, such as yourself, can literally just do an episode basically in one take in front of a bunch of other people like that.
I like the P-2 much better than Model 3 as well, but there's no denying the price difference so while some might be looking at this one with envious eyes, I don't think there'll be much cross-shopping going on.
@@choosumfat the roughly comparable ranges are comparable prices...Polestar 2 base model is expected to be around $45,000, still with a range of 278. Midrange Model 3 is $42,000 with a range of 264. But the Polestar will still have a $7,500 tax credit to offer when the base model comes out, and Tesla will have nothing to offer starting January 1st. Tesla still has a big advantage with their supercharger network, but I do expect some cross shopping once the base model is available.
@@tribalypredisposed That competitive pricing is really exciting to hear. For me, Tesla flies close to sun with bold autonomous cars (great for the showroom), but Tesla is far from higher levels of autonomous driving, plus Tesla's fit/finish is quite possibly the worst of global mass-produced brands (not helping the American car stereotype).
@@tribalypredisposed All good points, and that 7,500 credit (if still available) will make a considerable difference, but I'm just basing my opinion on this top-level model shown. The "around" 45k model (we'll see about that 'around' part) will no doubt give up some (much?) of the wow and the choice may no longer be as clear-cut. Personally I quite like the (exterior) looks of the Model 3, it's just that stupid interior that kills it for me.
Many people I know are not happy with the interior of the Tesla but will definitely benefit from the comfort of the tried and tested Volvo and Polestar seats and finish.
The first year limited edition Polestar 2 priced at 59,900 EUR is competing with the Model 3 LR Dual motor. In Germany the Model 3D LR starts at 52,280 EUR (black only and 18" wheels) and is not as well equipped as this car. So I think Polestar has competitive pricing. A year later the base Polestar 2 should also compete well on pricing with the Standard Model 3.
This presenter is so god damn good at his job. Didn’t stumble once, delivered loads of information and added his personal flair without being anything other than charming.
Stunning look of this car. I hope it drives as good as it looks. I actually just put in the order and can’t wait for Augustish. Brian, Perfect balance between humor, facts and thoughts as always!
The P2 is a great car and I have also reserved one. But the only real criticism that I have is the relatively wide center console. If these were a little narrower, that would benefit the legroom - especially the right knee - and the entry. Would be nice, if perhaps until the series production something else does. 🙌
BRIAN!!! Nice review! I'd take this over the Model 3 any day. A real hatch, probably much better build quality, rear seats that aren't sitting 10cm off the floor of the vehicle. It looks great but only coming in a top trim the 1st yr! Boohoo
Love the interior of this so much better than the Tesla Model 3 honestly. The rear space also seems way better. I’m 183 Cm (6’) tall and my knees are touching the front seats already.
My favorite electric car so far, I'll wait to see how it's 2nd and 3rd cycle come out. Personally, I think the interior can afford to be a bit more roomy with a smaller central tunnel, and more cupholders & storage area. I would also like to see bezel-less infotainment as you said. Finally, for some reason, I just can't figure out which color I like on it. The back also looking a bit thicc. However, to reiterate, it's my favorite so far because it seems like the best combination of sedan and crossover. The lower center of gravity means better handling, but not too low like so many sedans which can make getting in and out a bit more annoying. At the same time, it has the hatchback and cargo space that makes all those CUVs sell like hot cakes. The closest competitor is the Model Y, but I really don't like the look of it. Plus, Tesla interiors went a bit too far in the minimalist direction. Edit: I also love that it's vegan, but a lot of its competition is.
Polestar and Volvo put the battery packs in that central tunnel of the car (in both their EVs and PHEVs), ostensibly for crash protection -- unlike other EV manufacturers -- most (if not all) of whom put the battery pack flat at the bottom of the car. And I agree on Tesla interiors being too minimalist, with Volvo following that too closely: audio and climate controls should continue to be physical buttons/dials, as they are much safer than forcing the driver to go into a computer screen while driving for such things.
This is the review I have been waiting for. I was waiting to pull the trigger but I think I may now wait until it is in the showroom. Nice observation on the centre display and bezel. I think you hit the nail on the head with that one.
Except the range, availability of charging and fast charging and supercharging, interior space. The Tesla has a 75kwh battery and has more range and faster acceleration as well as much faster charging not to mention it's cheaper by a lot in price. Better? No
Thank you very much Brian for a wonderful review (as always). I would like to underline how professional you have been in dealing with the new vegan interior. not treating us like little kids. Thank you for not being opinionated.
The purpose of the black grill openings is to collect dirt, snow and small stones while driving on Swedish roads in winter and of course add a little drag and resistance and make the car a bit less efficient...
The Coolest Square Car. It's also quite seductive looking in it's simplicity. Lovely interior, Polestar steering wheel is superb and I think I now prefer vertical portrait info screen set-up over usual horizontal ones ( with the exception of full width vertical screen like on Honda e Prototype Concept and others ). Totally agree Brian about screen thick borders. Another good preview .
I look forward to them driving it (although sometimes the scenery they shoot the cars in is so beautiful it competes with the cars!). I have to say, Polestar does offer the lighter color in leather. So, two of the interior choices and colors are vegan, one isn't.
I love the lack of tacky-looking chrome anywhere on the exterior and throughout most of the interior -- a welcome change from current Volvos! But is the computer "tablet" at center there surrounded in chrome? And I don't like the "piano black glassy" surface down by the "gear shift" selector, which is going to be a magnet for fingerprints but also a bad reflector of sunlight. I like the large hatchback door at rear; I see a hole for skis to pass through, but you didn't say if the rear seats can be folded down -- a very important thing for most people that you neglected to mention! Another big omission is whether the panoramic roof has a cover that you can close to cut out on sunlight; and you didn't mention it, but it looks like you cannot open the glass roof (something I prefer, because roofs that open are more prone to leaking and breaking).
The black glossy stuff has to go. I understand Volvo wanted to have something contrasting, but piano black glossy is just all over today's cars and it just gets messy looking in use. I think the rear seats can be folded. Edit: Volvo has found a way to keep the glossy surfaces from getting fingerprint marks on them. Some type of finish. Still, I'd prefer something else. The rear seats fold.
Very explanatory review of the Polestar 2 features & styling. I personally like the Styling, estimated pricing & performance. If you a positive review of the handling and drivability. I would buy a Polestar 2 over the other eCars.
Porsche is the only manufacturer in 2019 who has gotten the infotainment screen in good shape: beautiful, high-res screen set into the dash horizontally (instead of a silly tablet protruding), with physical climate controls still in the form of buttons/knobs outside the computer (though Porsche's audio controls aren't the best, in the touchscreen).
This is what a 4 door Scion would look like. What's Cd for this car? 0.35? The screen looks tacked on and massive borders. Fabric seats? Wow so old fashion! GTI cloth seats look more exciting.
Thanks Brian. Coming from a Volvo owner and fan (currently an XC90, previously an S40 and 745) I’m very much looking forward to the Volvo version of this. I will be downsizing to something smaller in the next few years and want an EV, not a hybrid, an EV. The grill will have to grow on me but besides that, it looks great! I wonder if they’ll make a wagon variant......
@@mgammeren It was interesting to hear in this (p)review that the Polestar 2 came out of the Volvo 40 series; the length is only 181 inches, which I think is close to that of the XC40. (The Volvo S90 sedan, for comparison, is around 200 inches long, I think.)
@@cbatiau2528 Didn't think about that but you are correct! The XC40 will be the first EV under the Volvo badge so maybe that will be the same drivetrain and battery pack? Only less hp and 180kmh speed limit. Would be great for me.
I really like it. Also, don't know how you got the price difference, but Teslas in Europe are now 60k EURO for the AWD and will most likely be 40k for the base. So this is in line with that. I personally would go for a Model 3 over this, but am glad more automakers are taking EVs seriously.
I’ve just had a quote on the Polestar from our lease company. Working out £150 a month cheeper than the Model 3 long range. Even though they have the same list price. Lease company said Polestar are giving them much more “support” than Tesla. I was about to order a BMW 330e but I’m very interested in this....
You can clearly see that the CEO of polestar has his roots in design. Great overall look, fresh and classy presentation, great product. Also, nice review!
Leather (and synthetic leather) just wipe clean if you spill something. Ever tried to get melted chocolate crumbs out of fabric seats? Or vomit? People are banned from eating in my car these days...
I love Volvos but: For a polestar it doesn't look premium. Tires are way too big. The seats in any other Volvo car look much better (not because of the fabric), usb covers are a disaster. As mentioned in one of the comments, it looks like a 10-20 years old Saab from the side. (disaster). Still not a Tesla killer. (come on Volvo, you can do much better) And. ..when are they going to put a joystick in the car and remove the pedals and steering wheel. It s about time for this change as well.
Replacing the pedals and steering wheel with a joystick would be illegal, among other challenges. Granted, one-pedal driving is a nifty innovation. Automakers are also experimenting with cameras replacing mirrors.
I didn t mean to replace it in illegal way. They can make it legal or at least start testing it. (any car manufacturer not just Volvo). It would be much better, much more room and less parts. Just one joystick in the side. Steer by wire. I dont think it would be an issue and I don t see a lot of challenges here, except for people adapting to a new way of driving a car. I think that with EV cars, we should start to build them form scratch and forget ALL about how they are made now. About the cameras - we saw how did it go with Audi E-tron ;(. What is the point of having camera build in a mirror size shaped housing. They could easily put a small camera on the side of the door somewhere or in an A pilar and that would do the job great. No extra drag, no attachments at all.
Honestly, I don't think it looks like a Saab. I think it looks like a sedan version of their xc40 which is its counterpart. It may remind some of a Saab but it looks like a contemporary car and different in a way because it doesn't have the trendy "coupé" roof. I would like it to look a bit more premium inside but honestly, in person it gives a different impression. I saw it in NYC and there were a lot of people around it so I didn't really get a good amount of time to spend sitting in it.
@@j.kevinmcnary9561 Tesla fanboy detected. CCS is the new global standard being adopted, and Tesla have been forced to implement it in Europe on the Model 3, and have to update their superchargers. Tesla have indeed got ahead of everyone else, but that doesn't mean they'll stay there, and they have plenty of shortcomings.
@@j.kevinmcnary9561 It's not years behind Tesla. Ionity is testing 350kWh charging and will take a few years to become the normal charge speed. That will be a sweet spot for many years to come. 150KwH charging is already really good on long trips. So 400km driving range with 150kWh charging is pretty good for the next two decades.
I think you should have spent more time in the video exploring the rear cargo space -- with the rear seat backs folded down, with the cargo cover removed, etc. Big, big omission -- and something much more important to most potential buyers than lots of the other stuff that you spend time on...
Can't wait to see it in the flesh, the hatchback is a pro compared to Model3, hopefully it will be rated for towing too. 11:45 still dont think you can test durability by pinching a few times, also "vegan" doesn't mean durable... It's likely based on petroleum. 12:00 those rear vents do not look like the front ones, neither in shape or color :( why are most reviewers never testing headspace with their head on the headrests :(
Nice review, thanks. Is there really only 1 cup holder up front, though? Also, how was the knee room, from side-to-side? It looks like the center console could make lateral knee room a little tight...?
Really nice looking car. Polestar is going their own way...and a good way! That arm rest sounded little hard. We love our Volvo. The government allowance will help the price point.
"full panoramic roof"? I presume that it's fixed and can't be opened? Is there anyway to block out sunlight, either via a moving physical cover (as in the Volvos) or with some electronic manipulation of the glass itself (i.e., electrochromatic/smart glass)? And can the back seats be folded down?
Don't mislead people by saying @15.45 the starting price will be 59,000 Euro's ! incorrect, starting price for this range of cars will be around 38,000 Euro's, about £34,000 ! yes you will no doubt say that was because that particular model will be the only one available at the start of production, nonetheless, it is still misleading your viewers., and distorting the overall impression !! Not sure about the blacked out grille, prefer some chrome along the way, as in the Polestar 1, looks classier as a result !!
A great car and review, like the intro music , used it myself in videos 😉 . But one thing I wonder 🤔, if it loses GPS signal can it navigate by using the polestar✨? 😀
I like it simple as that :) it somehow remind me the last saab 95, the feel of it in the exterior at least .. I would get rid of the shiny areas in the centre console , i would however prefer wood or something not catching fingerprints
Brian, the range is 500 km or 310 miles WLTP/NEDC as promised and 275 US EPA. Your price comparison is way off. The launch edition Polestar 2 is comparable in specs and price to the Model 3 long range AWD. Tesla has not yet released European pricing for the car that sells for $35,000 in the US. You can't arrive at the European price by simply converting dollars to euros. For example, the Model 3 long range AWD is $47,000 or 42,000 euros in the US, but the price in Europe is actually 59,000 euros. Two reasons for this. First, base pricing varies by country and second, US prices are always quoted before taxes, while European prices are usually after taxes. Lastly, automotive displays have to withstand much harsher conditions than phones. For example. they have to deal with the very high temperatures inside a car parked in the sun for hours every day during summer; then withstand rapid temperature cycling and high temperature gradients across various parts of the display when the AC is subsequently turned on. Design features of phone displays may not work for cars.
A couple of thoughts, Brian = I'd been thinking that IF i were looking for a new car, it would likely be the Volvo V60, which we're still waiting to see arrive in US showrooms. Though I think the V60 and V90 are both prettier than this car, the Polestar 2 is very appealing. In profile it reminds me of a Saab, but it would be the power train that sells this car, not it's looks - which are by no means bad. As to price, Polestar exists for performance before they became Volvo's electric vanguard. So I'm expecting the real test of the P2's upmarket potential will be when you folks take it on the road. If it makes you squeal like kids at a birthday party, they have a winner.
I also would like a wagon, but I'm not ready for a BEV and would prefer a PHEV with 40-50 miles of all-electric range. And Volvo's PHEV models are inferior because, like Toyota, they use electric motor only for rear wheels and ICE only for front wheels, instead of using both power sources to drive all four wheels.
@@cbatiau2528 Wagon isn't a good idea to sell this car in some parts of the world (like the USA where they don't sell well). As much as I like wagons, it's better economically for them to go with a sedan and SUV (even though I really don't like SUVs, smaller ones are somewhat acceptable to me).
Perhaps when charging stations are as numerous as GAS STATIONS then 500 km ( 310.6 miles ) would be practical for long-range travel assuming the charging time was 15 minutes or less for a full 500 km. Like the Early70's Gas conversion Diesel engines, long-range travel was a worry to the driver thinking about the next fill-up. ( Then answer became clear to owners . " look for Truck Stops " ) . I believe most folks ( myself include ) will continue to purchase Hybrids and Plug-in Gas/Electric Hybrids until more STANDARD charging stations are available. ( Level II & Level III quick-charging ports to include all US, Japanese, Swedish, German, English & Korean Auto Manufacture's . ) The FEAR of running out of "JUICE" or waiting for long charging times during a long road trip will diminish most ELECTRIC vehicles sales during the next 5 plus years. I believe most manufactures missed the mark completely by not offering a Small, mid-size or a full size ALL electric truck for the suburb and country dwellers that use trucks for local transportation and hauling. Owning a home level II charger would eliminate any need of stopping at the local GAS STATION.
Great looking car. The color works with the styling as well. I really don’t care for the logo design though. I wonder if the large screen will show up on the next generation XC90.
I really like it and from teh side profiel it reminds me a bit of the XC40 and even Saab the last 93. Roofline that does that. I am really interested in this car. And a Volvo version too altough they will be limited to 180kmh. Not a bad thing i guess.
"From 2019, Volvo said they would not release a new model that isn't at least a hybrid" (7:10). Well, they are releasing a new V60 Cross Country wagon for MY2019 in Europe and MY2020 in USA, and it will be ICE-only. So they have not kept their word.
@@bigbadbear2962 That isn't what Volvo said. The new V60 is very different from the old V60 in several notable ways -- night and day, to my eye. Just because it retains the name V60 doesn't mean it's not a new model. I'd never consider the 2018 version of V60, but I'm very keen on the 2020 version of it. The point is that they're making the V60 a PHEV in T8 form, but not the V60 Cross Country. I have read their press reports of a couple years ago closely, and they have not kept their word. This is from the Volvo current website, giving timelines for electrification: "2019 - Every new Volvo introduced will be electrified - from mild hybrids that don’t require charging to battery electric vehicles that run on electricity alone." Volvo doesn't create new number series outside of once every 5 years or so, the XC40 being the most recent example of that. The 2020 V60 is definitely a "new Volvo"; it has a different interior and exterior, appearance and dimensions, computer system, lights, etc.; its drivetrains have changed; its standard features and options have changed, mirroring largely the V90 series.
Well 59k€ is just the price of a Model3 LR AWD with non black color and autopilot... Polestar is well priced, just late to the party. And no idea if they'll keep up with the 250kW charging just revealed by Tesla
bold? it looks a bit bland to be honest. Cheap plastic trim makes it look budget and the lights are really the only external style feature of any note, replace them with standard looking lights and it looks like a skoda. Like an accountant wearing a colourful tie. Definitely an old person/conservative person car.
So it's basically in the similar build quality category as a Volvo V40. I can dig that. Volvos have always been good in that department. I'm not sure about the whole performance thing since it's kinda unnecessary to me but whatever, it's a Polestar. Volvo probably will launch this same model as the new S40 but with 100kW engine, and that's going to be what everyone actually buys.
Looks so much nicer than a Model 3 or Model Y. Tesla have got the infrastructure and technology down, but don't seem to know how to make a good looking car with a quality interior. Sad!
He's dead right. Panel gaps on Teslas are laughable, and the interior finish and materials just feel inferior. Better than most American stuff, but just not up there with the Germans (and Swedes).
I am a Vegan and we drive a BMW i3 and I think you are right well thats what the BMW salesman told me? we do love the inside of the BMW i3 I think BMW i3 looks more contemporary than Polstare?
I see a lot of Volvo parts in that cabin. Not a bad thing, I love my V90. I really want to know just how big that boot is, and if you could fit a 140cm longsword into it 😁 How does the boot length and width compare with, say, the Volvo V60?
I love leather! Leather is exciting to me and it is sustainable. Way too much piano black finger smudge areas and the yellow seat belts will look nasty after a couple of years. The rear door jams are massive
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Nice review! However please include the max AC charging and max DC charging speed for all EVs. With 22kw AC chargers available in Europe, it would be nice to have that as a feature.
I'm always impressed when presenters, such as yourself, can literally just do an episode basically in one take in front of a bunch of other people like that.
i'll choose this one over tesla 3.
I like the P-2 much better than Model 3 as well, but there's no denying the price difference so while some might be looking at this one with envious eyes, I don't think there'll be much cross-shopping going on.
@@choosumfat the roughly comparable ranges are comparable prices...Polestar 2 base model is expected to be around $45,000, still with a range of 278. Midrange Model 3 is $42,000 with a range of 264. But the Polestar will still have a $7,500 tax credit to offer when the base model comes out, and Tesla will have nothing to offer starting January 1st. Tesla still has a big advantage with their supercharger network, but I do expect some cross shopping once the base model is available.
@@tribalypredisposed That competitive pricing is really exciting to hear. For me, Tesla flies close to sun with bold autonomous cars (great for the showroom), but Tesla is far from higher levels of autonomous driving, plus Tesla's fit/finish is quite possibly the worst of global mass-produced brands (not helping the American car stereotype).
@@tribalypredisposed All good points, and that 7,500 credit (if still available) will make a considerable difference, but I'm just basing my opinion on this top-level model shown. The "around" 45k model (we'll see about that 'around' part) will no doubt give up some (much?) of the wow and the choice may no longer be as clear-cut. Personally I quite like the (exterior) looks of the Model 3, it's just that stupid interior that kills it for me.
They have to build it first
Many people I know are not happy with the interior of the Tesla but will definitely benefit from the comfort of the tried and tested Volvo and Polestar seats and finish.
The first year limited edition Polestar 2 priced at 59,900 EUR is competing with the Model 3 LR Dual motor. In Germany the Model 3D LR starts at 52,280 EUR (black only and 18" wheels) and is not as well equipped as this car. So I think Polestar has competitive pricing. A year later the base Polestar 2 should also compete well on pricing with the Standard Model 3.
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What a beautiful looking car anf nice review as well
Disagree it looks quirky and the rear is plain ugly
@@vika0194 ok thats your opinion
Just some random guy yes
Stunning look of this car. I hope it drives as good as it looks. I actually just put in the order and can’t wait for Augustish. Brian, Perfect balance between humor, facts and thoughts as always!
thanks Fredrik!
the Headlight is just beautiful.
The P2 is a great car and I have also reserved one.
But the only real criticism that I have is the relatively wide center console. If these were a little narrower, that would benefit the legroom - especially the right knee - and the entry. Would be nice, if perhaps until the series production something else does. 🙌
BRIAN!!! Nice review! I'd take this over the Model 3 any day. A real hatch, probably much better build quality, rear seats that aren't sitting 10cm off the floor of the vehicle. It looks great but only coming in a top trim the 1st yr! Boohoo
Thanks!
I agree. The Tesla 3 feels pretty cheap and poorly put together when you start to look at the details.
Love the interior of this so much better than the Tesla Model 3 honestly. The rear space also seems way better. I’m 183 Cm (6’) tall and my knees are touching the front seats already.
My favorite electric car so far, I'll wait to see how it's 2nd and 3rd cycle come out. Personally, I think the interior can afford to be a bit more roomy with a smaller central tunnel, and more cupholders & storage area. I would also like to see bezel-less infotainment as you said. Finally, for some reason, I just can't figure out which color I like on it. The back also looking a bit thicc. However, to reiterate, it's my favorite so far because it seems like the best combination of sedan and crossover. The lower center of gravity means better handling, but not too low like so many sedans which can make getting in and out a bit more annoying. At the same time, it has the hatchback and cargo space that makes all those CUVs sell like hot cakes. The closest competitor is the Model Y, but I really don't like the look of it. Plus, Tesla interiors went a bit too far in the minimalist direction.
Edit: I also love that it's vegan, but a lot of its competition is.
Polestar and Volvo put the battery packs in that central tunnel of the car (in both their EVs and PHEVs), ostensibly for crash protection -- unlike other EV manufacturers -- most (if not all) of whom put the battery pack flat at the bottom of the car. And I agree on Tesla interiors being too minimalist, with Volvo following that too closely: audio and climate controls should continue to be physical buttons/dials, as they are much safer than forcing the driver to go into a computer screen while driving for such things.
@@cbatiau2528 I agree about physical buttons. Not too many but they beat going to a screen for these functions.
Nice work, Brian! Great to see more offerings with sustainability in mind.
I have the XC90 and loves it. Can't wait for a smaller car like this one.
This is the review I have been waiting for. I was waiting to pull the trigger but I think I may now wait until it is in the showroom. Nice observation on the centre display and bezel. I think you hit the nail on the head with that one.
This is gonna be so much better than the Tesla Model 3
Except autopilot!
@@markmd9 They have a better autopilot than Tesla, they just refuse to call it autopilot because its not.
Except the acceleration..?
Except the charging speed
Except the range, availability of charging and fast charging and supercharging, interior space. The Tesla has a 75kwh battery and has more range and faster acceleration as well as much faster charging not to mention it's cheaper by a lot in price. Better? No
Thank you very much Brian for a wonderful review (as always). I would like to underline how professional you have been in dealing with the new vegan interior. not treating us like little kids. Thank you for not being opinionated.
This is beautiful, and I’d much prefer this to a Model 3 or Y.
Excellent walk through, best I have seen. Disappointed it’s taken me a year to find you- and I am a reservation holder from day 1!
welcome !!
Finally! A good looking EV!
Absolutely stunning, Tesla has some big hitters to watch out for now
I love the slim light lines on the back!
Bastian Jahn Dodge Charger fan?
The purpose of the black grill openings is to collect dirt, snow and small stones while driving on Swedish roads in winter and of course add a little drag and resistance and make the car a bit less efficient...
The Coolest Square Car. It's also quite seductive looking in it's simplicity. Lovely interior, Polestar steering wheel is superb and I think I now prefer vertical portrait info screen set-up over usual horizontal ones ( with the exception of full width vertical screen like on Honda e Prototype Concept and others ). Totally agree Brian about screen thick borders. Another good preview .
Gorgeous looking car. Test drive, please!
The best Polestar 2 review i have seen yet. Thanks!! 👍👍👍👍
Thanks pls share :)
I look forward to them driving it (although sometimes the scenery they shoot the cars in is so beautiful it competes with the cars!). I have to say, Polestar does offer the lighter color in leather. So, two of the interior choices and colors are vegan, one isn't.
I love the lack of tacky-looking chrome anywhere on the exterior and throughout most of the interior -- a welcome change from current Volvos! But is the computer "tablet" at center there surrounded in chrome? And I don't like the "piano black glassy" surface down by the "gear shift" selector, which is going to be a magnet for fingerprints but also a bad reflector of sunlight. I like the large hatchback door at rear; I see a hole for skis to pass through, but you didn't say if the rear seats can be folded down -- a very important thing for most people that you neglected to mention! Another big omission is whether the panoramic roof has a cover that you can close to cut out on sunlight; and you didn't mention it, but it looks like you cannot open the glass roof (something I prefer, because roofs that open are more prone to leaking and breaking).
The black glossy stuff has to go. I understand Volvo wanted to have something contrasting, but piano black glossy is just all over today's cars and it just gets messy looking in use. I think the rear seats can be folded.
Edit: Volvo has found a way to keep the glossy surfaces from getting fingerprint marks on them. Some type of finish. Still, I'd prefer something else. The rear seats fold.
Very explanatory review of the Polestar 2 features & styling. I personally like the Styling, estimated pricing & performance. If you a positive review of the handling and drivability. I would buy a Polestar 2 over the other eCars.
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I agree about the dated touch screen. & I do not like the orange belts. No other negative imo. Glad there's vegan options
Porsche is the only manufacturer in 2019 who has gotten the infotainment screen in good shape: beautiful, high-res screen set into the dash horizontally (instead of a silly tablet protruding), with physical climate controls still in the form of buttons/knobs outside the computer (though Porsche's audio controls aren't the best, in the touchscreen).
This is what a 4 door Scion would look like. What's Cd for this car? 0.35? The screen looks tacked on and massive borders. Fabric seats? Wow so old fashion! GTI cloth seats look more exciting.
Can't wait for a test drive!
Thanks Brian. Coming from a Volvo owner and fan (currently an XC90, previously an S40 and 745) I’m very much looking forward to the Volvo version of this. I will be downsizing to something smaller in the next few years and want an EV, not a hybrid, an EV. The grill will have to grow on me but besides that, it looks great! I wonder if they’ll make a wagon variant......
XC40 will be the first under Volvo badge to be fully electric.
hfwilkesjr I wonder if they will even make this variant.
@@mgammeren It was interesting to hear in this (p)review that the Polestar 2 came out of the Volvo 40 series; the length is only 181 inches, which I think is close to that of the XC40. (The Volvo S90 sedan, for comparison, is around 200 inches long, I think.)
@@cbatiau2528 Didn't think about that but you are correct! The XC40 will be the first EV under the Volvo badge so maybe that will be the same drivetrain and battery pack? Only less hp and 180kmh speed limit. Would be great for me.
I really like it. Also, don't know how you got the price difference, but Teslas in Europe are now 60k EURO for the AWD and will most likely be 40k for the base. So this is in line with that.
I personally would go for a Model 3 over this, but am glad more automakers are taking EVs seriously.
I ended up placing a deposit on the Polestar 2 based on the content of this video. Looking forward to a full road test early next year.
good luck! We ll keep u updated
I personally don't like the way that infotainment screen is integrated. Apart from that, everything else looks quite nice.
I’ve just had a quote on the Polestar from our lease company. Working out £150 a month cheeper than the Model 3 long range. Even though they have the same list price. Lease company said Polestar are giving them much more “support” than Tesla. I was about to order a BMW 330e but I’m very interested in this....
interesting!
driving review soon!
I wish they still made boxy cars like the old 240’s & 850’s
They did have a sort of box charm would convert to electric as they were made like a tank so long lasting
if you need to go electric then this seems to be much better than a model 3
Gabriel hernandez good that you have your own opinion and respect others kid.
dhns555 Except for range, acceleration, tech, and the fact that you can't get one.
You can clearly see that the CEO of polestar has his roots in design. Great overall look, fresh and classy presentation, great product. Also, nice review!
Volvo and Polestar are designed by the German Thomas Ingelath.
OMG I LOOOOVE that Saab 9.5 kind of look
This must be Thomas’s favorite car now ;-) Imo cloth is so much more comfortable and easy to maintain than leather.
looks awesome =)
Leather (and synthetic leather) just wipe clean if you spill something. Ever tried to get melted chocolate crumbs out of fabric seats? Or vomit? People are banned from eating in my car these days...
TheWitchfinderGenral Who the fuck eat inside their car? How much would be a pair of towels?
The way i see it, despite its iffy build quality, the Tesla 3 is still more classy.
tesla 3 looks like a fish
I love Volvos but:
For a polestar it doesn't look premium. Tires are way too big. The seats in any other Volvo car look much better (not because of the fabric), usb covers are a disaster. As mentioned in one of the comments, it looks like a 10-20 years old Saab from the side. (disaster). Still not a Tesla killer. (come on Volvo, you can do much better)
And. ..when are they going to put a joystick in the car and remove the pedals and steering wheel. It s about time for this change as well.
Replacing the pedals and steering wheel with a joystick would be illegal, among other challenges. Granted, one-pedal driving is a nifty innovation. Automakers are also experimenting with cameras replacing mirrors.
I didn t mean to replace it in illegal way. They can make it legal or at least start testing it. (any car manufacturer not just Volvo).
It would be much better, much more room and less parts. Just one joystick in the side. Steer by wire. I dont think it would be an issue and I don t see a lot of challenges here, except for people adapting to a new way of driving a car.
I think that with EV cars, we should start to build them form scratch and forget ALL about how they are made now.
About the cameras - we saw how did it go with Audi E-tron ;(. What is the point of having camera build in a mirror size shaped housing. They could easily put a small camera on the side of the door somewhere or in an A pilar and that would do the job great. No extra drag, no attachments at all.
@@ak7044 Steering with a joy stick would cause accidents left and right. Stupid idea. Cars are not video games.
Honestly, I don't think it looks like a Saab. I think it looks like a sedan version of their xc40 which is its counterpart. It may remind some of a Saab but it looks like a contemporary car and different in a way because it doesn't have the trendy "coupé" roof. I would like it to look a bit more premium inside but honestly, in person it gives a different impression. I saw it in NYC and there were a lot of people around it so I didn't really get a good amount of time to spend sitting in it.
At which speed will they recharge on superchargers? 120, 250 or 350 kwh? Which network is polestar developing or cooperating with?
I thought 150kWh CCS. And future proof so they can update the car when 250/300kWh is normal.
Yes we use a BMW i3 find the charge infrastructure rubbish any one would think the toxic oil was laying it out
mgammeren How do you futureproof a car already years behind Tesla before release?
@@j.kevinmcnary9561 Tesla fanboy detected. CCS is the new global standard being adopted, and Tesla have been forced to implement it in Europe on the Model 3, and have to update their superchargers. Tesla have indeed got ahead of everyone else, but that doesn't mean they'll stay there, and they have plenty of shortcomings.
@@j.kevinmcnary9561 It's not years behind Tesla. Ionity is testing 350kWh charging and will take a few years to become the normal charge speed. That will be a sweet spot for many years to come. 150KwH charging is already really good on long trips. So 400km driving range with 150kWh charging is pretty good for the next two decades.
The colour of the rear brake calipers should match the front. 0-60 time a bit too slow.
The center A/C vents are on top of the dash and tucked behind the screen? How efficient could they be? Odd.
I think you should have spent more time in the video exploring the rear cargo space -- with the rear seat backs folded down, with the cargo cover removed, etc. Big, big omission -- and something much more important to most potential buyers than lots of the other stuff that you spend time on...
Great review. The Polstar is so much more attractive than the Tesla.
Cheers!
they should make a modern variant of the 745 but electric and very basic, like a box on wheels.. To get more people in to electric :) tops 25000euro.
No need for a fake grill on an EV. Porsche is the only one that has a chance against the Model 3 Performance.
Antonio Zamudio You're right. Porsche has no chance.
Good point on the tailgate door trigger, mud will cover it... Also wonder if the backup cam will have a cleaning sprinkler (like Skodas/VW)
I want one. Please bring it on soon!
A hybrid of DS and Tesla, with a Citroën (DS?) variation emblem?
This could be the base for a new modern Saab!
Can't wait to see it in the flesh, the hatchback is a pro compared to Model3, hopefully it will be rated for towing too.
11:45 still dont think you can test durability by pinching a few times, also "vegan" doesn't mean durable... It's likely based on petroleum.
12:00 those rear vents do not look like the front ones, neither in shape or color :(
why are most reviewers never testing headspace with their head on the headrests :(
Nice review, thanks. Is there really only 1 cup holder up front, though? Also, how was the knee room, from side-to-side? It looks like the center console could make lateral knee room a little tight...?
Really nice looking car. Polestar is going their own way...and a good way! That arm rest sounded little hard. We love our Volvo. The government allowance will help the price point.
Oh my God....I'm so poor to have a car like this....happy to have a Dacia....I'm dream with it
Competition in EVs is now really taking off. Goodbye petrol driven cars, your time is coming to an end.
"full panoramic roof"? I presume that it's fixed and can't be opened? Is there anyway to block out sunlight, either via a moving physical cover (as in the Volvos) or with some electronic manipulation of the glass itself (i.e., electrochromatic/smart glass)? And can the back seats be folded down?
The back seats fold down. Good question about the glass roof.
Wonderful review. I'm glad you guys like it! Would order one immediately if they were available in New Zealand.
Thanks Rob!
Don't mislead people by saying @15.45 the starting price will be 59,000 Euro's ! incorrect, starting price for this range of cars will be around 38,000 Euro's, about £34,000 ! yes you will no doubt say that was because that particular model will be the only one available at the start of production, nonetheless, it is still misleading your viewers., and distorting the overall impression !!
Not sure about the blacked out grille, prefer some chrome along the way, as in the Polestar 1, looks classier as a result !!
I disagree about chrome: I think chrome makes cars look tacky. This looks classy without the chrome!
What about guarantee on life of the batteries?
A great car and review, like the intro music , used it myself in videos 😉 . But one thing I wonder 🤔, if it loses GPS signal can it navigate by using the polestar✨? 😀
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Nice review. Love this car. The EV avalanche is just about to get rolling now and I can’t wait!!!
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I would bet that when the car begins deliveries in July 2020 a newer gen center screen will be used.
I like it simple as that :) it somehow remind me the last saab 95, the feel of it in the exterior at least .. I would get rid of the shiny areas in the centre console , i would however
prefer wood or something not catching fingerprints
Brian, the range is 500 km or 310 miles WLTP/NEDC as promised and 275 US EPA.
Your price comparison is way off. The launch edition Polestar 2 is comparable in specs and price to the Model 3 long range AWD.
Tesla has not yet released European pricing for the car that sells for $35,000 in the US. You can't arrive at the European price by simply converting dollars to euros. For example, the Model 3 long range AWD is $47,000 or 42,000 euros in the US, but the price in Europe is actually 59,000 euros.
Two reasons for this. First, base pricing varies by country and second, US prices are always quoted before taxes, while European prices are usually after taxes.
Lastly, automotive displays have to withstand much harsher conditions than phones. For example. they have to deal with the very high temperatures inside a car parked in the sun for hours every day during summer; then withstand rapid temperature cycling and high temperature gradients across various parts of the display when the AC is subsequently turned on. Design features of phone displays may not work for cars.
Love it - reserved one on the day of the launch. Just have to wait a year...
Absolutely beautiful! What color is that?
Is this the same Volvo that's been acquired by the Chinese? I know Volvo trucks are not associated with Volvo 'cars'.
Yes, owned by Geely.
tribalypredisposed A Vulva in name only.
Tesla Model 3 / Y -Please stop. Polestar🔥
What a great review. Thank you!
A couple of thoughts, Brian = I'd been thinking that IF i were looking for a new car, it would likely be the Volvo V60, which we're still waiting to see arrive in US showrooms. Though I think the V60 and V90 are both prettier than this car, the Polestar 2 is very appealing. In profile it reminds me of a Saab, but it would be the power train that sells this car, not it's looks - which are by no means bad. As to price, Polestar exists for performance before they became Volvo's electric vanguard. So I'm expecting the real test of the P2's upmarket potential will be when you folks take it on the road. If it makes you squeal like kids at a birthday party, they have a winner.
I also would like a wagon, but I'm not ready for a BEV and would prefer a PHEV with 40-50 miles of all-electric range. And Volvo's PHEV models are inferior because, like Toyota, they use electric motor only for rear wheels and ICE only for front wheels, instead of using both power sources to drive all four wheels.
@@cbatiau2528 Wagon isn't a good idea to sell this car in some parts of the world (like the USA where they don't sell well). As much as I like wagons, it's better economically for them to go with a sedan and SUV (even though I really don't like SUVs, smaller ones are somewhat acceptable to me).
Perhaps when charging stations are as numerous as GAS STATIONS then 500 km ( 310.6 miles ) would be practical for long-range travel assuming the charging time was 15 minutes or less for a full 500 km. Like the Early70's Gas conversion Diesel engines, long-range travel was a worry to the driver thinking about the next fill-up. ( Then answer became clear to owners . " look for Truck Stops " ) . I believe most folks ( myself include ) will continue to purchase Hybrids and Plug-in Gas/Electric Hybrids until more STANDARD charging stations are available. ( Level II & Level III quick-charging ports to include all US, Japanese, Swedish, German, English & Korean Auto Manufacture's . ) The FEAR of running out of "JUICE" or waiting for long charging times during a long road trip will diminish most ELECTRIC vehicles sales during the next 5 plus years. I believe most manufactures missed the mark completely by not offering a Small, mid-size or a full size ALL electric truck for the suburb and country dwellers that use trucks for local transportation and hauling. Owning a home level II charger would eliminate any need of stopping at the local GAS STATION.
Great looking car. The color works with the styling as well. I really don’t care for the logo design though. I wonder if the large screen will show up on the next generation XC90.
Yes. Here's some information: www.autonews.com/dealers/dealers-get-early-peek-new-xc90-it-blew-us-away Sounds exciting.
Headroom and cockpit look kind of lacklustre. I can imagine the booth cleaners really hated Brian touching everything so intensively. 😂
kraenk12 The headroom is pitiful compared to a Model 3. The interior looks like a Chinese Model S imitation. Wonder why?
J. Kevin McNary The Model S looks worse than any chinese car would ever look though.
kraenk12 Sure it does. Maybe they will add a cheesy plastic grill to the S to attract the tasteless.
My mother loves Volvo and needs a new car in a few years. I'm gonna get her to buy a polestar 2 lol.
just the one cup holder then!
Why no one fold rear seats ? Is trunk floor flat ?
I really like it and from teh side profiel it reminds me a bit of the XC40 and even Saab the last 93. Roofline that does that. I am really interested in this car.
And a Volvo version too altough they will be limited to 180kmh. Not a bad thing i guess.
"From 2019, Volvo said they would not release a new model that isn't at least a hybrid" (7:10). Well, they are releasing a new V60 Cross Country wagon for MY2019 in Europe and MY2020 in USA, and it will be ICE-only. So they have not kept their word.
cba tiau Model, not model variant.
@@bigbadbear2962 That isn't what Volvo said. The new V60 is very different from the old V60 in several notable ways -- night and day, to my eye. Just because it retains the name V60 doesn't mean it's not a new model. I'd never consider the 2018 version of V60, but I'm very keen on the 2020 version of it. The point is that they're making the V60 a PHEV in T8 form, but not the V60 Cross Country. I have read their press reports of a couple years ago closely, and they have not kept their word. This is from the Volvo current website, giving timelines for electrification: "2019 - Every new Volvo introduced will be electrified - from mild hybrids that don’t require charging to battery electric vehicles that run on electricity alone." Volvo doesn't create new number series outside of once every 5 years or so, the XC40 being the most recent example of that. The 2020 V60 is definitely a "new Volvo"; it has a different interior and exterior, appearance and dimensions, computer system, lights, etc.; its drivetrains have changed; its standard features and options have changed, mirroring largely the V90 series.
So this is the great SinoSwedish hope? As usual, decent concept. I wish you could buy used concept cars.
If Hyundai Nexo go fully electric under 50000 Euro ,will destroy all competition
Well 59k€ is just the price of a Model3 LR AWD with non black color and autopilot... Polestar is well priced, just late to the party.
And no idea if they'll keep up with the 250kW charging just revealed by Tesla
sebxx Remains to be seen if they are late to the party or a no-show. Certainly a wallflower.
They put a fake grill on it?...Still looking good though👌🏾
bold? it looks a bit bland to be honest. Cheap plastic trim makes it look budget and the lights are really the only external style feature of any note, replace them with standard looking lights and it looks like a skoda. Like an accountant wearing a colourful tie. Definitely an old person/conservative person car.
So it's basically in the similar build quality category as a Volvo V40. I can dig that. Volvos have always been good in that department.
I'm not sure about the whole performance thing since it's kinda unnecessary to me but whatever, it's a Polestar. Volvo probably will launch this same model as the new S40 but with 100kW engine, and that's going to be what everyone actually buys.
There will be no Volvo version of this car. There may be a raised Volvo coupe on the 40 platform, that's a rumor.
Looks so much nicer than a Model 3 or Model Y. Tesla have got the infrastructure and technology down, but don't seem to know how to make a good looking car with a quality interior. Sad!
Theta You can't be serious.
He's dead right. Panel gaps on Teslas are laughable, and the interior finish and materials just feel inferior. Better than most American stuff, but just not up there with the Germans (and Swedes).
Didn't BMW do vegan interior on the i3??? I think it was the first company that did it.
Not entirely. BMW has 2 of 4 trims with non-leather seats in the i3, but the steering wheel always remains animal skin.
I am a Vegan and we drive a BMW i3 and I think you are right well thats what the BMW salesman told me? we do love the inside of the BMW i3 I think BMW i3 looks more contemporary than Polstare?
Does anyone know what colour this is? I mean 'know' not guess.
Iain Mackie thunder.
design is awesome no doubt abot about that. BUT it stiill looks like front wheel drive car from the side
275 miles converts to 442.75 km
I see a lot of Volvo parts in that cabin. Not a bad thing, I love my V90. I really want to know just how big that boot is, and if you could fit a 140cm longsword into it 😁
How does the boot length and width compare with, say, the Volvo V60?
TheWitchfinderGenral The longsword is a perfect match, techwise.
Namaste! Could I please have a chrome hood ornament?!
Will it have self driving features?
I love leather! Leather is exciting to me and it is sustainable. Way too much piano black finger smudge areas and the yellow seat belts will look nasty after a couple of years. The rear door jams are massive
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In Summer 2017, Tesla motors has decided to be the first manufacturer to go all the way with sustainable seat materials, only offering fabric/cloth seats or leatherette seats in different colours. They have banned all real leather from the seating surface and at the steering wheel in the white trim or on demand. So Tesla shows where the industry will and must be heading, just like they went forward with electrification first.
Check out our special video addressing car CEOs as a first summary and also see conditions of animal skin production:
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List of practical reasons against animal skin seats:
1. animal skin seats are often sold as an expensive option, by going for base trim level seats you can save a lot of money and get a better price-performance-deal (often the manufacturers claim that animal leather is top of luxury because they can earn the best money with it)
2. animal skin seats get hot in summer and you stick to the seat, probably you need seat cooling
3. they get very cold in winter and you need seat heating
4. on cloth or microfibre surfaces, you basically don’t need seat heating nor cooling
5. animal skin seats wear out very fast and look like an old sofa
6. if you want leather look or need seats that can be wiped clean easier, the leatherette (faux leather) surfaces are meanwhile highly evolved and it is possible that it feels even softer and better than anything else (See our Tesla Model X review czcams.com/video/y2wNGFKa4M0/video.html) So Tesla shows a good example for that and as described, non-leather materials are now standard for ALL Tesla
7. More manufacturer names for their good alternatives: Mercedes MBTex/Artico for leatherette, Dinamica for microfibre. BMW Sensatec, Toyota Sof-Tex, Lexus Nu-Luxe (all faux leather)
To the environmental reasons:
1. The way the cows and other intelligent and social animals are raised and held are not according to the basic values that we all share (also see videos below)
2. The factory farming industry can be accounted for at least 40 % of climate emissions and thus is (according to numerous sources you can look up) the number one reason for climate change and environmental destruction. It is the number one reason for deforestation, two thirds of all agricultural land on earth is used for growing animal food crops. If you would feed humans directly by using the agricultural land, you could produce much more food for everyone. See this interesting essay for more on climate emissions background: www.worldwatch.org/files/pdf/Livestock%20and%20Climate%20Change.pdf
3. It is not only cows who are suffering, but also the environment and to a big part also humans. Think of slavery-like working conditions in slaughterhouses (there are plenty of documentaries about this) or think of chemically altered drinking water in animal skin production villages as also seen in the video footage.
4. The discussion, for which body part the cow is killed first, is very patronizing. But if you really think it would be important why someone gets killed in first place: There are many productions where the cow is killed for the skin first, sometimes even while still being (part-)alive, the skin is the most profitable single part of the body.
5. So even if a cow gets theoretically killed for meat first, in every case you give additional money to an industry that relies on killing, pollutes the environment and harms people with chemicals. Let's say you are standing at the meat counter. And you ask for the leg of the cow. The butcher tells you: "You can eat that without worrying, the cow was slaughtered for the neck first". The next customer demands the neck. The butcher tells him: "It's not your fault, the cow was slaughtered for the belly". A the next customer demands the hide, what answer does he get? You see, that argument of "byproduct" comes from the meat and leather industry to cover up that you contribute to killing no matter which part of the body you buy.
6. To the often said argument, animal skin would just be a byproduct, please google/youtube "leather is not a byproduct" you will find plenty of information. A good overview on all those issues can also be found here: adaptt.org/
To “But leatherette is not sustainable due to petrochemical production”
1. Indeed some fabrics and micro fibres are oil based, however most oil is spent on energy production, heating and fuel. The share of oil used for artificial cloth etc. is very very small.
2. If you look at the whole production process, the leatherette is way more sustainable than the leather produce. Even if you leave the ethical aspect aside, here is the official calculation of the CO2-Output animal skin vs leatherette (different kinds of leatherette):
Leather 17 kg CO2/m²
PVC leatherette 10 kg CO2/m²
Acella Eco natural leatherette 8,5 kg CO2/m²
Benova (PUR leatherette): 8 kg CO2/m²
So by using the latest high-tech leatherette, you even the CO2-emissions are cut in half!
3. The best to-come solution are indeed plant-based materials like Pinatex (based on pineapple leaves) or new materials based on mycelia (roots of mushrooms) or other innovative natural products. That’s the future.
More special video episodes:
1. A initial special video from Autogefühl considering the use of leather can be found here: czcams.com/video/8f91KgbVbJQ/video.html
2. And another one right here: czcams.com/video/tMNgcLE0LDU/video.html
3. Furthermore, you’ll find the footage of leather production also here, where people are walking in chemicals etc. and animals have to watch their friends being slaughtered in front of their eyes: czcams.com/video/JipYvuDsI6s/video.html
timecode starting 27:46
4. This is another video which very well summarizes the torture of leather production, shots taken at big farms which directly produce for the automotive industry: czcams.com/video/OgHs239bAnE/video.html
5. Please note that those videos are made by well-known journalists and cameramen who were not influenced by any animal welfare organisation, they supply their footage to the animal rights groups of course. I partly know the creators of the video footage personally and they are all authentic. You don’t have to search long to find cruel production environments anyway.
Manufacturers reactions:
We started the very first inquiry years ago, with the result that car manufacturers do not reveal their sources of animal skin AT ALL. If it all would be clean and happening without harm, why don’t they show it to us whereas they are showing us every other detail of their products? They have good reason not to, because there is no such thing as a clean animal skin production without harming cows, humans and the environment. The only thing a manufacturer can do is increase their effort for a better future, and we are helping with in-depth talks and interviews by presenting the increasing customer demand for sustainable luxury. Tesla was the first one to react in a major way now.
So meanwhile, we more often also get feedback that a lot of manufacturers are working on leather-free interiors and are aware of the situation. E.g. Bentley, Mini and Kia have started vegan car interior programmes. Besides Tesla, Mercedes already shows major choices for sustainable interiors, you always have to pay attention to the details when ordering, of course - and we are happy to give advice. However, much has to be done still and the Autogefuehl community is massively helping in boosting the positive change!
Help to raise awareness on this subject. Thanks!
@@autogefuehl LOL! Thanks for your input. Didn't realize you guys were so abusive on the subject of leather seats.
There is a leather option. I guess Polestar's marketing led them to making that decision.
polestar2.com
Belgium and Netherlands are one of the first countries where the car becomes available,
together with China, the United States, Canada, Germany, Norway,
Sweden and the United Kingdom.
Other countries will get the car at a later date.
Link doesn't work, takes you to a parking page. polestar.com is the correct URL