New to archery, first bow, and was trying to remember this method, used to use this for tying the whipping on old Persimmon golf clubs, clear and easy to follow instructions and you can make them as long or short as you like. Thanks for the great upload.
Saw this method demonstrated by a veteran archer at our club and this video really helped me do the same on my string here this afternoon - thank you Laval Falks
Thank you very much. Having recently got back into archery, I purchased a samick skb 50 and I used this video to making my own nocking points. I really like the simplicity and elegance of this method, thanks.
Best video about tying nocking points I've seen. Others use superglue or wind it very loose and loop the end through the windings and the end loop, which usually results in a mess. Or they just make a start knot, glue that down, wind and glue the end. Yours is so elegant and doesn't use any glue at all. Love it and have referred it to all club members wanting to try it instead of basically crimping a heavy brass ring on their string (oftentimes damaging the center serving while applying too much force or using a wrong sized part). If you want to get rid of the nock point just carefully cut one of the windings and it will come undone. No damage to the center serving at all. So nice! Thanks a lot!
Crikey,,,,! Fishing Rod Bindings, never thought of this and you can build it up as big as you like, Doubles or Triples while keeping it nice an clean looking as you stated, brilliant stuff Mr Falks. You Beauty Mate.
This is by far the best nocking point video I've seen and the way you tie it is really strong. I tie my fishing hooks with this type of knot, it will never come out once you tie it
Great video and very well explained. I'll be removing my factory fitted nocking points which are way too loose and installing new ones using this method.
Good work, thanks. Burn the ends and also take the arrow off the nock and just leave the nock hanging, that will make it easier without that arrow in the way.
I'm using 8125 for recurve strings and putting a dab of super glue on the nock point to hold it. You can use 2D serving or any other tight thin serving thread to tie them also.
I saw John Dudley setting up a nocking point the same way and he used a blunt knife on purpose, he said it was to easy to put a nick in the serving or the string with a razor sharp knife.
i believe it is called a nail knot but need to check for sure, it looks similar, i think this is used in fly fishing too. i was looking at brass nocks but now will be doing this, i never thought of string for this purpose. good video easy to follow. i am new to archery and am i right in saying that the bottom nock should be approx 10mm above square from arrow rest. thanks
That's a good point. I should have done that. For info, compound nocking points are usually located with the bottom of the top nock point 1/8th to 1/4th inch above center depending on the thickness of the nock. Recurve nock points are usually 5/16th to 3/8th inch above center to the botom of the top nock point.
Are there any advantages to this over the brass nocking points? Seems like this would require a lot of fuss if you ever wanted to adjust your nocking point, but a lot of people are doing it this way now.
+elobiretv i use the brass ones until we find the exact spot sometimes then replace them with these. even if you make a change it only takes a couple of minutes to redo them once you get some practice.
The nocks shouldn't slide up and down between the points, but they shouldn't be overly tight. I haven't noticed any problem with nock pinch if they are tied properly.
Should I not use braided serving thread? All I have to work with is BCY #62 Braided Serving. Which do you recommend the most for doin' an "under knot" for inside a D Loop?
You can use braided serving thread it is just easier to use bow string material. For the under knot I like thin serving thread like D3, or D2 if you have any of that left.
Some guys at my Archery Club use this method, but first they draw the thread through a stick of regular hot-melt glue then once the nock is tied and trimmed they heat it with a flame and the glue sets the nock tight.
Some people use the same color nocking point as the serving. Since you look at the string when nocking the arrow it shouldn't be a problem. I like to use a different color than the string so the nocking point is more obvious.
I've found this to be the best knot for tying on string accessories that you do not want to slip, such as cat whiskers. I also use this knot to tie above and below the peep. Any idea what this type of knot is called?
BCY 8125 for this video, but you can use any bow string. I sometimes use 3D serving thread and use only one layer or it will be bulky. Whatever you use you need to apply a good amount of super glue to prevent fraying.
Thanks for the advice but you don't mention how to know exactly where to put the nocking point... The point of the string where the arrow is straight compared with the rest while the string of not being pulled? I'm newbie with this and got no helping due to the quarantine hehe
You measure from the arrow rest or shelf (wherever your arrow will rest) to the string with a bow square to find level then move up however much you need to get the correct arrow flight. I start at 5/16" above level for the top of the bottom nock point for a recurve and adjust from there. If using small diameter pin nocks you may need to move higher since they are narrower than the arrow shaft. You can find bow squares easily on the internet.
It should be twisted folowing the twist of the string. I'm twisting away from the middle so it looks like t's opposte, but it should be winding in the same direction as the string twist.
can't understand why people use those brass knocking points when tying in your own is more fun and easier to remove should you need to do so. great video BTW.
I serve in the opposite direction that the string is twisted. For a right handed archer the string is twisted clockwise and serving is twisted counter clockwise. This is to allow the fingers or tab to slide off the serving more smoothly.
+Loïc LE MARREC , Thank you, but you can make them a bit farther apart and they will not hold the nock so tight. Thank you for watching and good luck. Laval
If you hook 3-under you will always have some nock pinch. If you use Bieter asymmetrical nocks you can minimize it. If you hook with one over and 2 under there is no nock pinch. It is better to have some nock pinch than to have loose nock points that allow inconsistency during the arrows release from the string.
New to archery, first bow, and was trying to remember this method, used to use this for tying the whipping on old Persimmon golf clubs, clear and easy to follow instructions and you can make them as long or short as you like. Thanks for the great upload.
Glad it helped 🙂
Saw this method demonstrated by a veteran archer at our club and this video really helped me do the same on my string here this afternoon - thank you Laval Falks
Thank you very much. Having recently got back into archery, I purchased a samick skb 50 and I used this video to making my own nocking points. I really like the simplicity and elegance of this method, thanks.
Best video about tying nocking points I've seen. Others use superglue or wind it very loose and loop the end through the windings and the end loop, which usually results in a mess. Or they just make a start knot, glue that down, wind and glue the end. Yours is so elegant and doesn't use any glue at all. Love it and have referred it to all club members wanting to try it instead of basically crimping a heavy brass ring on their string (oftentimes damaging the center serving while applying too much force or using a wrong sized part). If you want to get rid of the nock point just carefully cut one of the windings and it will come undone. No damage to the center serving at all. So nice! Thanks a lot!
Thank you. Glad you like it!
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Clearest video and most logical method! Thanks.
Glad it was helpful! Thank you!
I used this method combined with an engineer's square and it worked amazing. Thank you so much!!!
Thankyou sir, very clear video, it helped me greatly for replacing the brass nocks.
Much appreciated.
Crikey,,,,! Fishing Rod Bindings, never thought of this and you can build it up as big as you like, Doubles or Triples while keeping it nice an clean looking as you stated, brilliant stuff Mr Falks.
You Beauty Mate.
Great video, thanks for posting!
Great video. Very nicely done. Thank you.
This video helps!Many thanks!
I like the wrap. Well done
Made my first nocking point using this method, helped a lot thank you
I'm glad it helped. Thanks 🎯
Thanks for the help.Works like a charm.
You're welcome!
Awesome, I just used this method to tie my nock point, works like a charm. Before I was using my own method which required glue, this is much better.
Glad it worked for you.
Thanks for the demo.
Thank you Paul.
I think I will use this method when I get my recurve. This looks like it gives you the ability to move the up or down a bit for fine tuning.
Thank you. Glad you like it.
This is by far the best nocking point video I've seen and the way you tie it is really strong. I tie my fishing hooks with this type of knot, it will never come out once you tie it
Andy Arroyo Am glad you liked it and wish you the best of luck.
Great idea, just bought my first bow, will definitely do this :)
Thanks. Glad it helps.
Thank you from your instruction .👏👏👏👏👏
You're welcome!
Thanks for the tip
Great Video thx
Great video and very well explained. I'll be removing my factory fitted nocking points which are way too loose and installing new ones using this method.
Nice job!
Unwaxed dental floss does the job too
Thanks! Im going to do this on my recurve now instead of using the metal ones
Good work, thanks.
Burn the ends and also take the arrow off the nock and just leave the nock hanging, that will make it easier without that arrow in the way.
Thank you!
Just like snelling a steelhead hook. cool video. Ill try it
That's the best way I've seen to tie nocking points, do you get nock pinch if you tie them to close together?
I'm using 8125 for recurve strings and putting a dab of super glue on the nock point to hold it. You can use 2D serving or any other tight thin serving thread to tie them also.
Very nice job! I might have to try this vs a brass nocking point. Are you opposed to melting the ends after cutting them off?
Do you have your bow on a bow press to loosen the tension on the bow string a little bit when you tie the nocks on?
Nice job, tightest nock tying video I have came across. Do you happen to have a recommended serving material that you like to use?
Thanks for the lesson! Oh and that knife needs to see a stone in a bad way!
I saw John Dudley setting up a nocking point the same way and he used a blunt knife on purpose, he said it was to easy to put a nick in the serving or the string with a razor sharp knife.
Great vid .. Would waxing the string help with tying and such ??
What is the better using serving or string to make the nock point ?
i believe it is called a nail knot but need to check for sure, it looks similar, i think this is used in fly fishing too.
i was looking at brass nocks but now will be doing this, i never thought of string for this purpose.
good video easy to follow. i am new to archery and am i right in saying that the bottom nock should be approx 10mm above square from arrow rest.
thanks
I would like to have seen is how you do the "first thing you need to do is find the exact point to put your nocking point." The rest was good! Thx.
That's a good point. I should have done that. For info, compound nocking points are usually located with the bottom of the top nock point 1/8th to 1/4th inch above center depending on the thickness of the nock. Recurve nock points are usually 5/16th to 3/8th inch above center to the botom of the top nock point.
nice tip, looks good, be carefull with super glue. the strong chemicals is really really bad if you get it on the bow string.
Thanks and good luck. Pass it on to your friends.
I just had it in the press to hold it. I tie them with the string tight.
Are there any advantages to this over the brass nocking points? Seems like this would require a lot of fuss if you ever wanted to adjust your nocking point, but a lot of people are doing it this way now.
It's lower profile and less weight. Causes less nock pinch too.
+Laval Falks Ok thanks, i think i will try it out.
+elobiretv i use the brass ones until we find the exact spot sometimes then replace them with these. even if you make a change it only takes a couple of minutes to redo them once you get some practice.
Brass can damage your gloves also
You're welcome. :-)
hola muy bueno tu tutorial gracias justo es lo que buscaba amigo un abrazo.
+Felix Marcelo Mendieta Gracias! Espero que esta leccion le ayude a usted.
Good 🏹👍
nice
Does having them tight cause nock pinch?
The nocks shouldn't slide up and down between the points, but they shouldn't be overly tight. I haven't noticed any problem with nock pinch if they are tied properly.
Should I not use braided serving thread? All I have to work with is BCY #62 Braided Serving. Which do you recommend the most for doin' an "under knot" for inside a D Loop?
You can use braided serving thread it is just easier to use bow string material.
For the under knot I like thin serving thread like D3, or D2 if you have any of that left.
Craig Brann I
Thank you sir
You're welcome 👍
Some guys at my Archery Club use this method, but first they draw the thread through a stick of regular hot-melt glue then once the nock is tied and trimmed they heat it with a flame and the glue sets the nock tight.
That's a great idea. I'll try that. Thanks
This is Kevin Costner for sure
You can melt the cut ends if you wish. If not using glue you should certainly melt them.
Thanks for adding that tip.
Thamk you sir
You're welcome
El mejor sistema.
Gracias Vicente
Do you think it's alright if the nock point is the same color as the string?
Some people use the same color nocking point as the serving. Since you look at the string when nocking the arrow it shouldn't be a problem. I like to use a different color than the string so the nocking point is more obvious.
+Sam Myer I think so. I just make them contrasting to be easier to find.
Dental floss works really great for this. Not kidding.
I thought we were supposed to leave a small gap to prevent nock pinch?
I've found this to be the best knot for tying on string accessories that you do not want to slip, such as cat whiskers.
I also use this knot to tie above and below the peep.
Any idea what this type of knot is called?
thank you
What kind of thread you do use?
BCY 8125 for this video, but you can use any bow string. I sometimes use 3D serving thread and use only one layer or it will be bulky. Whatever you use you need to apply a good amount of super glue to prevent fraying.
Neat
Thanks for the advice but you don't mention how to know exactly where to put the nocking point... The point of the string where the arrow is straight compared with the rest while the string of not being pulled? I'm newbie with this and got no helping due to the quarantine hehe
You measure from the arrow rest or shelf (wherever your arrow will rest) to the string with a bow square to find level then move up however much you need to get the correct arrow flight. I start at 5/16" above level for the top of the bottom nock point for a recurve and adjust from there. If using small diameter pin nocks you may need to move higher since they are narrower than the arrow shaft. You can find bow squares easily on the internet.
@@LavalFalks-InnerArchery that is with the string tightened or resting?
@@lokillof with the string tight. I have the bow in a press but there is only enough pressure to hold it in place.
I don't understand the reason for the opposite directions for the two nocking points. Isn't the serving the same direction for both locations?
David Hays on the to you start out winding down and the bottom you wind up. Just looks like opposite directions.
It should be twisted folowing the twist of the string. I'm twisting away from the middle so it looks like t's opposte, but it should be winding in the same direction as the string twist.
good yob!!!
+Iron Underbelly Thanks
can't understand why people use those brass knocking points when tying in your own is more fun and easier to remove should you need to do so. great video BTW.
Thanks
How do figure out the direction of serving?
I serve in the opposite direction that the string is twisted. For a right handed archer the string is twisted clockwise and serving is twisted counter clockwise. This is to allow the fingers or tab to slide off the serving more smoothly.
@@LavalFalks-InnerArchery thank you for this detail!
Very sharp knife lol
Same way you tie ferrules on a fly rod.
I think the Nock Set are too tight
+Loïc LE MARREC ,
Thank you, but you can make them a bit farther apart and they will not hold the nock so tight. Thank you for watching and good luck.
Laval
Make sure you get it right , it looks like a bear to get off.
It is, especially after you've rubbed super glue over them, not fun
Where's the d loop
This would be tying nocking points for an olympic recurve or other stick bow where a finger release is used.
I see nock pinch, not good.
If you hook 3-under you will always have some nock pinch. If you use Bieter asymmetrical nocks you can minimize it.
If you hook with one over and 2 under there is no nock pinch. It is better to have some nock pinch than to have loose nock points that allow inconsistency during the arrows release from the string.