Simple Guitar Speaker Isolation Cabinet - without phase issues!

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  • čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
  • I'm using a 26 inch kick drum case and some car insulation to build a isolation cabinet. You should probably use some heavier wooden construction around it as well to further reduce bleeding.

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  • @michaeld.fuller3648
    @michaeld.fuller3648 Před 7 lety +9

    I used to isolate my speaker cabinet in the studio using a padded ATA flight case with (1) single 100 watt 12" speaker mounted inside a Marshall Lead 12 combo enclosure..Then experimented with setting the iso cab under a Mic'ed Grand Piano with the sustain pedal weighted down. Cool effect with all the resonant frequencies from the piano...

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 7 lety

      +michael D. Fuller cool, do you have any clip of that?

    • @michaeld.fuller3648
      @michaeld.fuller3648 Před 7 lety +2

      I was a studio musician at the time in the late 80's Here is where to go to hear it...Ronnie Lee Rocks > menu; Audio> select: Sound track - Rock - A musical Experience > #9 act II scene 6 song ; Hold On

  • @GlennMichaelThompson
    @GlennMichaelThompson Před 9 lety +2

    Brilliant solution to isolating a guitar speaker! Thanks for sharing the idea.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 9 lety +1

      Glenn Michael Thompson Thanks Glenn, glad you liked it!

  • @RokDAWG1
    @RokDAWG1 Před 6 lety +2

    Oh my god that's simply brilliant! Maybe taking it and putting it in a closet as the final move would be the cherry topper! I love it! I was thinking of getting an 8" cab with a 300 watt guitar speaker and building a iso box BUT you just showed me an awesome and inexpensive way to get what I need done. I already have a couple of 12" extension cabinets so I can use one as a main enclosed cab for recording and not have to worry about finding a top of the line power break. SWEET!

  • @trertdr
    @trertdr Před 5 lety +1

    This is the best isocab sound I have heard!

  • @Hiyaitsjustme
    @Hiyaitsjustme Před 9 lety +1

    This is great, I think what keeps people from making a DIY box is having to construct the box itself. This is a good workaround. Going to try it, thanks!

  • @GTX1123
    @GTX1123 Před 6 lety

    Brilliant. Never would have thought of using a drum case. I was thinking about making one out of a cardboard due to its light weight but using a drum case solves three problems; 1) weight 2) transportation (it's got handles) 3) by adjusting the foam lining, the natural curvature in a drum shell can accommodate breaking up parallel surfaces.

  • @bosegeborn9280
    @bosegeborn9280 Před 10 lety +1

    Very useful information!! Especially for those living in crowded areas.

  • @SuddenAccess
    @SuddenAccess Před 7 lety +1

    Love your video's Johan. Verry interesting subjects and you are a great player.
    I build a isocab from a old flightcase i had laying around. Works like a charm with my 100w Blackmore amp.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 7 lety

      +Daan Dijkstra Thanks Daan! Have you made any videos of that. I think it's a really interesting topic

  • @brianpatrick6102
    @brianpatrick6102 Před 9 lety +1

    Oh, and I really enjoy your channel. Lots if great info and demos here. Thank you.

  • @zundap100
    @zundap100 Před 7 lety

    That sounds good. Another good and instructive video. Thanks Johan.

  • @guitarwhores753
    @guitarwhores753 Před 9 lety +1

    Using the kick drum case was very creative. My only concern would be heat damaging the amp. My Marshalls run hot, and I live in South Central Texas, and it's already hotter than hell here. Enjoy your vids, keep it up. - Zach -

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 9 lety +2

      Thanks man, Yeah it's safest to use a head+cab instead of a combo

    • @Bflatest
      @Bflatest Před 8 lety

      Just learn about how long it takes to get pretty warm then you just stop and open it for a few minutes go pee and come back and track more. Amps get hot so as long as you vent it from time to time its OK you just need to find the interval for you amp

  • @SylviaAdamsMusic
    @SylviaAdamsMusic Před 9 lety +2

    Nice job! I think I may make one of these myself, or at least something similar. I feel it would be very useful in my situation where the rooms acoustics are absolutely awful and is so bad that it is beyond just a treatment. Thanks Johan, Cheers!

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 9 lety

      Brandon Adams Thanks man! I used to live in a flat with terrible acoustics, but I built a tunnel using acoustic tiles with pretty good results.

  • @troyguitarist
    @troyguitarist Před 10 lety

    Very cool! That G12H-100 sounds nice as well.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 10 lety +1

      troyguitarist Thanks! Yeah it's an extremly underrated speaker. Cheers

  • @ohkee
    @ohkee Před 4 lety

    Brilliant DIY solution!

  • @VolodyaVolodenka1981
    @VolodyaVolodenka1981 Před 8 lety +1

    genius. this sounds better that the "silent sister", even.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 8 lety +1

      +Vladimir Kornienko Thanks man! Great to hear that.

  • @williamraymusic
    @williamraymusic Před 4 lety +1

    This might be a stupid guest but by putting a tube amp into an ISO Cab, wouldn't that tend to make the chamber really hot and cause more problems?

  • @GolecLuka
    @GolecLuka Před 2 lety

    Awesome sound man

  • @schipbreukeling3
    @schipbreukeling3 Před 3 lety

    attenuator for my tube amp does the trick

  • @MrMudEagle
    @MrMudEagle Před 7 lety +6

    Can the amp overheat in there?

  • @Ro-Bucks
    @Ro-Bucks Před rokem

    I'm now wondering if a bass mic for a kick drum would help the low end, and could you get two mic's in there for both high and low end without them communicating with each other, ie feeedback.

  • @tapilaha
    @tapilaha Před 9 lety +2

    Awesome idea.. Could u pks record the room volume?

  • @tiki_trash
    @tiki_trash Před 7 lety

    I had an idea the other day of using an ice chest for the cabinet and then adding more insulation inside.

  • @misha1151
    @misha1151 Před 10 lety

    Extremely helpful video! Thanks a lot!

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 9 lety

      sunset1151 Thanks, glad that it's put to some use. Cheers! Johan

  • @HighVoltageCovers
    @HighVoltageCovers Před 6 lety +1

    Is it weird that I prefer the sound without the foam? I think it has more of a breakout characteristic

  • @accordingtohonda4308
    @accordingtohonda4308 Před 7 lety

    Would have liked an audio demo of the sound bleed into the room but other than that it sounds good!

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 7 lety +1

      +According To Honda Thanks, yeah I should have measured the sound intensity level in the room. Cheers

  • @DelReiRock
    @DelReiRock Před 9 lety +4

    Great video, Johan!!
    So.. Did you record the outside volume, comparing the opened and closed isolation cabinet? I'd like to hear that!
    Other question... I got a bit worried by the cabinet and mic cables... When you close the isobox don't they get strangled?

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 9 lety +1

      Thanks Del! No I forgot to dokument the related volumes, but without the cab it was about 100dB at 2 feet I'd say. And using the can it was loud as a crowd at a party. The cable was ok it kinda gets buried in the insulation. Cheers Johan

  • @JulianFernandez
    @JulianFernandez Před 9 lety

    Cool idea! Thanks for sharing!

  • @mudsharkable
    @mudsharkable Před 6 lety +1

    Sounds boxy. It's kind of difficult to make an iso cab without it coloring the sound. I've used one for years and I need to do some recording studio tricks to compensate for the boxy timbre of the cabinet... still, I love using the thing.

  • @cgavin1
    @cgavin1 Před 7 lety

    All these years and I never used an isolation cabinet for gigging. I'm mostly rocking an AC30 now and maybe I should be ..

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 7 lety

      +wozzlepop It would probably make the sound engineer happy ;-)

  • @kevinyamaha8005
    @kevinyamaha8005 Před 8 lety +1

    Älskar den svenska dialekten i engelskan :), schysst video!

  • @LeroySpookStrickland
    @LeroySpookStrickland Před 3 lety +1

    Very awesome! Didn't you put a amp in a bass drum and mic the head in one of your videos? Been trying to find that one but cant.
    Thanks

  • @poljakov13
    @poljakov13 Před 7 lety +2

    tell me , does guitar speakers heat up ? if you play lots of hours , like 8 hours .
    Is there any chance that foam will set fire if you play all day with guitar cab inside foam box???

    • @DaveDexterMusic
      @DaveDexterMusic Před 4 lety

      No. The only way that's a possibility is if you use the wrong speaker cable (like an instrument cable) or mess up that side of things somehow, as cables can burn or at least melt under those conditions.

  • @gilldanier4129
    @gilldanier4129 Před 2 lety

    Would have been better if you compared the outside volume too. But good idea

  • @olimax17
    @olimax17 Před 7 lety

    as in, having both the cab and mic together inside and outside.

  • @farb-real5437
    @farb-real5437 Před 9 lety

    Hi Johan,
    it's really a cool idea. The best solution for giging I think - But the Issue is - I can't find the kick drum case you're using. All cases I found are not useable for this project. I own 2 x 1912 cabinets. I have seen in another video that you also own one of these. have you tried with this too? is the Dimension the same?
    Thanks for help with finding the kick drum case.
    cheers

  • @lanceraustin
    @lanceraustin Před 9 lety

    This may be hyperbolic, but you seem to have the best JMP tone in the business. I have similar amps, but different results. : ( Can you tell me what pickups are in your les paul and your sg? Thank you, and keep the videos coming! Lance

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 9 lety +1

      Thanks Lance, thats a very nice thing to say! Really appreciate it. I use Burstbuckers 2 and 1 in my Les Paul R9, Screambuckers or BB1,2 in my R7 Black Beauty and Custombuckers in my SG. But I think the speakers are the most important to the sound. I usually use Celestion T1281 Greenbacks. What is your soundchain? Cheers! Johan

    • @lanceraustin
      @lanceraustin Před 9 lety

      Johan Segeborn Hi Johan, I use a '79 Custom. In the neck position it's a Shaw pickup, but I haven't been able to identify what's in the bridge. I also use an Ibanez Destroyer with stock pickups. For amps, I have a '78 MV 2203, into a '73 cab with 25-watt tanbacks (T1221). Well, they aren't tan anymore, but that's what the original owner told me. I also have a '75 2104, 50-watt MV combo with black backs.
      In front of the amp, I often use an 80s Ibanez Distortion Charger pedal. It's kind of transparent, tightens the lows and gets me into 'brown' territory. But when I play direct to the amp, the tone doesn't seem as warm as yours. I'm one of those Marshall users who really has to keep the treble and presence almost to 0. And I keep the mid pretty low, also. It's like this with both my amps, and makes me wonder what I'm doing wrong!

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 9 lety

      Lance Austin Hi Lance! Cool, the '75 2104 is not cascaded is it? Those are extremely rare.
      I also keep the treble and precence very low, 10 o clock tops. On a master volume I usually max out the bass and turn up mid as far as I can before the sound gets to brittle.
      I think you should try your guitar in a music store and compare the bridge pickup to that of a guitar that you know is good to rule out that it's the root cause. Then the T1221s compress the sound much more than the 30 watters. Check out this shootout where I compare the most common Greenbacks/Creambacks/Blackbacks of the 1970s. I think you have a T1221 Creamback.
      czcams.com/video/M6IhLfVs6Qg/video.html
      I think you really should try a G12H30 T1281 Greenback (which have Pulsonic cones).
      Cheers
      Johan

    • @lanceraustin
      @lanceraustin Před 9 lety

      Johan Segeborn Johan, Thank you for all the helpful advice. And Merry Christmas! I have studied your "Vintage Celestion Shootout" video extensively. This video has helped me understand: In my 4x12 cab are RIC1 G-12m 25-watt creambacks, and in my 2104 is Kurt Mueller G-12m 25-watt blackbacks (covered with Marshall sticker) Also, a tech once dated my 2104 as 1975, but it appears to actually be 1977. When you asked about cascaded, I tried the two-cable test, and both inputs give a signal simultaneously. So I think that means it is cascaded.
      The same tech told me the 2104 was modded with an 'extra gain stage.' I wonder if he's correct. What's the best way to send you files (photos & sound clips)?
      I would love to try the greenbacks you suggested. I noticed your speaker collection is vintage.
      1. Are the new celestions any good?
      2. How do you afford, or even FIND all these old amps & speakers?
      I find all your sound files BITCHIN'. You should be writing songs with those sounds! I went to your soudcloud and it's all techno music... did I have the correct page?

  • @JonPrinceMusic
    @JonPrinceMusic Před 9 lety

    How inventive!!

  • @ruckus2019
    @ruckus2019 Před rokem

    Can I isolate a 6x12 cab with this?

  • @aquilarossa5191
    @aquilarossa5191 Před 10 lety

    I see you got around to it before me. I am not surprised. Do you like the results and will persevere with it? Sounded good in the clip and the fact that the amp was working hard was apparent in the tone. P.S. Using active monitors rather than headphones would make this better on your end as far as interaction between speakers and pups goes (studio monitors can generate wicked feedback at low volumes)

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 10 lety +1

      Aquila Rossa Yeah, I think the results are good enough. Gonna try with monitors next time! Cheers Johan

    • @aquilarossa5191
      @aquilarossa5191 Před 10 lety

      I will get around to it. Still planning on using a chest freezer, although i like this idea of a kick drum case - more portable. i messed my spine up working at sea, so it usually takes longer to do stuff. I get there eventually. Just got some Presonus active monitors. Amazing. Worth it even just for listening to music.

  • @CaevanOShite
    @CaevanOShite Před 9 lety

    Why Preamp at 10 and Master at 3? If you're using an iso-box and going for "crank the amp/speaker/tube distortion", I'd expect that you'd run the Master very high and bring up the Preamp to taste... At least 5 or 6 for the Master, and 3 or 4 for the Preamp... A good tube-amp will usually then have better dynamic-response and harmonic-overtones...

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 9 lety

      Caevan O'Shite Hi Caevan, I just tweaked it until it sounded as I wanted. But I agree usually I'd like the master higher, Cheers

  • @eatsleep8688
    @eatsleep8688 Před 3 lety

    Hi Johan,
    Is the sound that Im hearing from miking inside the box or from room sound?

  • @andreasabino1424
    @andreasabino1424 Před 9 lety

    hello friend your idea is brilliant and funny. What kind of material you used inside the kick drum?
    How could eliminate the problems of fase, sound bounces, reflecktions ... what you're talking about with the other youtuber.
    thanks

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 9 lety

      Andrea Sabino Hi Andrea, Thanks! I used a kind of foam plastic, check out this link: www.biltema.se/sv/Bil---MC/Bil-tillbehor/Ljudisolering/Ljuddampningsplatta-369214/
      The acoustic foam was sufficient to reduce most of the phase issues. I expected it not to though. But.. what ever works :-) Cheers Johan

    • @andreasabino1424
      @andreasabino1424 Před 9 lety

      Johan Segeborn thanks for the answer Johan. Yours foam plastic is 30mm? The seller is Swedish, their website is entirely in language. Could be a difficulty for communication and then must ask if they do international shipping.
      I noticed that in your video is missing a mic room. Would be interesting to hear by ear how many -db. Anyway great job

  • @Perseoermagno90
    @Perseoermagno90 Před 8 lety +1

    HI! Great idea, i love your videos! what mic is this? =) how loud is in the room?

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 8 lety

      Thanks! It's Sennheiser MD421-U5. The sound level is like loud cobversation or a party. Cheers

    • @hellskreamer
      @hellskreamer Před 8 lety

      +Johan Segeborn Sounds nice! I am doing this but for a 100W head, so its made out of thick layers of wood and low density foams so there will be no huge amounts of low end rumbling, which is a problem for the people downstairs, will be using 2x20mm MDF's and some high dense 8cm isolation. Going to build this box this coming week as we have break from school now :). Cheers and Glad Påsk!

  • @EasyHeat
    @EasyHeat Před 6 lety

    Brilliant!

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 6 lety +1

      Thanks Jason!

    • @EasyHeat
      @EasyHeat Před 6 lety

      Don't think my newly purchased 1974 Ampeg VT-22 is going to fit in a 26" case though. lol!!

  • @RedCloudServices
    @RedCloudServices Před 14 dny

    is that a Tuba case?!

  • @svskevin1972
    @svskevin1972 Před 8 lety +1

    Can you tell me the series number and name of the Gator case that you used in the video? Thank you!

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 8 lety +1

      +svskevin1972 it's a Protector case for a 26" kick drum

  • @dafxtone
    @dafxtone Před 10 lety

    Interesting ! But why do you talk about "Phase issue" as there is only one mic there ?

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 10 lety +2

      Hi! You know the sound bounces aginst the walls of the box and many of these very early reflektions reaches the mic with an amplitude offset relative to the direct sound, and cancels of some of the signal. Cheers Johan

  • @Bflatest
    @Bflatest Před 8 lety +1

    couldnt you also wrap it in more foam on the outside with duct tape to add one more layer?

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 8 lety

      Hi! Yeah, but heavier materials are probably needed to absorb more of the escaping bass

  • @Venemoth666
    @Venemoth666 Před 2 lety

    In that way Ir should be made..

  • @rikh78
    @rikh78 Před 10 lety

    great idea! so without the iso cab how loud would that setting be in the room ?

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 10 lety

      Moltisanti Thanks, Probably 100dB about 2 feet from the grille.

  • @omstrat
    @omstrat Před 9 lety

    Without recording the room volume it's kind of pointless ..How loud is it in the room ?

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 9 lety

      It's like loud conversation, doesn't it say in the video description. Otherwise it is indeed pointless.

  • @brianpatrick6102
    @brianpatrick6102 Před 9 lety

    Cool idea for a cheap ISO cab. Why would there be phase issues though? Thanks!

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 9 lety

      brian patrick You know in a small space the sound bounces against the walls and comes back and cancels out the signal.

    • @brianpatrick6102
      @brianpatrick6102 Před 9 lety

      Johan Segeborn ah, didnt think of that. Makes sense. Thanks Johan.

  • @olimax17
    @olimax17 Před 7 lety

    Is there any difference in tone between micing the cab inside the box and outside the box?

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 7 lety

      +olimax17 Yeah, inside the box the sound waves bounce against the sides of the box back against the speaker affecting the movement of the cone.

  • @cascaprogres
    @cascaprogres Před 7 lety

    did you try isolatation recording with an old metal bathtub?

  • @thelolguy007
    @thelolguy007 Před 7 lety

    Is there a risk of the amp over heating? How to stop this etc?

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 7 lety

      +thelolguy007 just put the cab in the box and have the amp outside

    • @thelolguy007
      @thelolguy007 Před 7 lety

      Johan Segeborn I would but it's a combo

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 7 lety +1

      +thelolguy007 ah, then take the amp chassi out of the cab when you record.

  • @addthisto
    @addthisto Před 7 lety

    outside volume?

  • @DaveDexterMusic
    @DaveDexterMusic Před 7 lety

    Yes yes, but _did_ you ever get to that chopper?

  • @pleximanic
    @pleximanic Před 9 lety

    How loud was the amp setting ?

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 9 lety

      I think it was 3-4 on the master and 10 on the preamp. Cheers

  • @100chuckjones
    @100chuckjones Před 9 lety

    does the amp get too hot in the iso cab ?

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 9 lety

      chuck jones Hi Chuck, it's only the cabinet that's in there so there's no temperature problems

    • @100chuckjones
      @100chuckjones Před 9 lety +1

      Johan Segeborn im sorry john, my fault buddy. keep up the good work, love your videos.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 9 lety

      chuck jones Thanks man, Cheers Johan

  • @surfthejapstrat7010
    @surfthejapstrat7010 Před 6 lety

    Johan, did you steel that insulation from work? Lol

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 6 lety

      Hahahaha! Damn I’d better pull this video ;-)

  • @donatolepore3520
    @donatolepore3520 Před 3 lety

    Clean tones would be more edifying.

  • @holderua
    @holderua Před 5 lety

    the real question is how to fit a 4x4 in this thing

    • @CaptainCocaine
      @CaptainCocaine Před 4 lety

      You mean like a truck? Or do you have 4-inch speakers?

  • @danieldemayo6209
    @danieldemayo6209 Před 7 lety

    Is this Wills cousin?

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Před 7 lety +1

      +Daniel DeMayo No, I'm afraid I don't have any cousin named Will

    • @danieldemayo6209
      @danieldemayo6209 Před 7 lety

      Lol you remind me of the guy wills easy guitar or what ever on CZcams...just with an accent...

  • @Serg8808
    @Serg8808 Před 7 lety

    кофр для барабана это.

  • @SuddenAccess
    @SuddenAccess Před 7 lety +1

    Love your video's Johan. Verry interesting subjects and you are a great player.
    I build a isocab from a old flightcase i had laying around. Works like a charm with my 100w Blackmore amp.